Bills LB Angelo Crowell Undergoes Knee Surgery (1 Viewer)

[OC Zed]

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Bills linebacker Angelo Crowell is out for Sunday's game after deciding to undergo surgery for a persistent knee problem. The decision however, came as a shock to the coaching staff and teammates as Crowell practiced fully on Wednesday.

“Angelo has elected to have knee surgery,” said head coach **** Jauron. “We’ll know more about that as we move forward, but he is out for the game and that’s a surprise.”

Jauron said it will be a scope procedure which in most cases takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to recover. But what made the decision so surprising was there weren’t any signs that he was leaning toward surgery.

“It came pretty much out of the blue and it was certainly nothing that we saw coming, but that’s kind of the way our business is,” said Jauron. “He was not in for anything other than his normal treatment.”

Jauron did not confirm it, but the surgery is likely in response to the knee problems Crowell has experienced each of the last two training camps. The linebacker has had discomfort in the knee and swelling. He was able to overcome the problem last season and started all 16 games. This past summer however, Crowell again had the same problem with his left knee and again missed portions of training camp.

But to decide to have surgery three days before the opener is what caught the team off guard.

“The first I heard about it was in the locker room after practice when Jon (Corto) told me about it a second ago,” said Chris Kelsay. “I saw him in the training room this morning waiting for doc. He wasn’t at meetings and I didn’t see him at practice. So I didn’t know what to think or how to diagnose it, but evidently he has and he’s going to have surgery.”

Set to replace Crowell in the lineup will be Keith Ellison, who was just as surprised as the rest of the locker room.

“I’ve started a handful of games since I’ve been here so it’s definitely experience I can look back on and use this weekend,” said Ellison. “Cro has been practicing pretty well the past few weeks, but I guess his knee was bothering him a little too much to keep playing on it and the biggest thing is to just get him back healthy as soon as possible.”

Ellison’s teammates also have faith that the third-year linebacker can deliver.

“We’re lucky to have him and he’s ready to go and he’s a good player,” said Jauron of Ellison.

“We’ve got Keith stepping in and we have a lot of depth at that position from last year’s injuries, and we feel very comfortable with how Keith can perform,” said Kelsay.

The Bills were ramping up for a big opening performance on Sunday in the opener, but this surprise development certainly dampens some of the spirit for the start of the season. Head coach **** Jauron however, is pressing forward and is making sure his team is right behind him.

“It’s not as we would have planned it or would have liked it certainly, but it is the way it is, so we’ll just keep working,” he said. “We’ll work with the situations we have and go forward and be optimistic and be confident. That’s where we are.”

Posluszny misses practice

Middle linebacker Paul Posluszny was also not participating at practice Thursday after turning an ankle in practice Wednesday.

Head coach **** Jauron however, is confident that Posluszny will be fine for Sunday’s game.

“We kept him off it,” said Jauron. “He did take part in our walk through earlier (Thursday), but we kept him off it at practice. I am very optimistic about it.”

If this has been bothering him for the last 2 seasons, why the hell did he choose now to get the surgery????? This is a big blow to the Bills run defense as Crowell has shown to be the only capable linebacker against the run this preseason and his replacement Keith Ellison spent all of last year as the starting WLB getting manhandled against runblockers. Looks like the injuries to the Seahawks' wide receivers may not cost them this weekend if they are able to run the ball effectively.

Back to Crowell, I wonder if the Bills' unwillingness to give him a new contract in the last year of his current deal had anything to do wit this...

 

[Gottabesweet]

I just got a text message update from the Bills saying he has been placed on IR - Does this still mean only 2-4 weeks?

 

[Gottabesweet]

Bills just cant seem to keep players.

 

[packersfan]

Pro Football Talk.com confirms he's out for the season:

CROWELL HEADS TO IR

Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2008, 5:44 p.m.

So how bad was the knee injury that wasn’t disclosed on Wednesday’s practice report but required Bills linebacker Angelo Crowell to undergo arthroscopic surgery on Thursday?

Pretty damn bad.

The team has announced that Crowell has been placed on injured reserve, ending his 2008 season days before it was set to begin.

Crowell, a five-year veteran, started every game in 2007. Keith Ellison takes his place.

 

[OC Zed]

I just got a text message update from the Bills saying he has been placed on IR - Does this still mean only 2-4 weeks?

Yup... this just posted on the team's website...

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In a matter of hours Bills linebacker Angelo Crowell went from starter, to knee surgery, to out for the season. In a day of shocking developments concerning the veteran linebacker, the front office effectively ended Crowell’s season placing him on injured reserve late Thursday.

Crowell is scheduled to undergo a knee scope as a result of a chronic condition that slowed the linebacker each of the past two training camps. In a surprise decision Crowell made the choice to have surgery on the knee Thursday morning, just three days before the season opener.

Apparently the Bills coaching staff decided they would be too shorthanded in the 2-4 week window in which Crowell would need to recover and created a roster spot by putting the veteran linebacker on injured reserve.

Without Crowell Buffalo has just five linebackers on the active roster and one on the practice squad in Marcus Buggs.



Crowell’s decision to have surgery this close the start of the season likely did not sit well with the Bills coaching staff, and their decision to put him on injured reserve, in what is a contract year for the linebacker, likely does not sit well with him.

Crowell will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2008 season, but he’ll be unable to have an effect on his market value with his play on the field this season.

WTF?I don't want to believe that they put him on IR as a punishment for getting the surgery... ya, his timing was awful, but they are still a much better team with him in the lineup than trying to get by with Ellison getting pushed around for 16 games.

 

[OC Zed]

The Bills are trying to say that they couldn't drop their sixth WR or fifth safety on the depth chart in favor of adding a practice squad LB for a few weeks? Crowell is their bast damn linebacker and served as their team captain last year and you can't even hold a spot for him for a few weeks??????

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

the knee has been bothering him all preseason. this whole situation stinks.

 

[OC Zed]

the knee has been bothering him all preseason. this whole situation stinks.

I was surprised to see him not voted again as a team captain earlier this week. There has to be more to this whole story.(Edited for the poor grammar.)

 

[GroveDiesel]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks!

I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

 

[OC Zed]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

Is this for real?Are we 100% sure they did this?

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

 

[GroveDiesel]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

Is this for real?Are we 100% sure they did this?

It's all over the BuffaloBills.com website. They absolutely did it. Either the front office or Ralph Wilson is seriously out of control. I didn't really had a problem with them playing hardball with Jason Peters, but this is just downright insane. It feels like the Bills would rather try to make some kind of point and punt this entire season than open up the wallet and create a team. I really had a bad feeling when this whole "cash to the cap" thing came out last year. I know times are tough in Buffalo, but Ralph Wilson and the Bills aren't going to be a competitive team if they're always $20-30M under the cap. Time to sell the team to an owner that will pay to make the team truly competitive again. An owner that will insure that players that are developed stay with the team for the long haul. An owner that won't end up driving away players with their hardline stance. Reading this seriously ruined my day. Talk about totally deflating my hopes for the season before it even began.

 

[OC Zed]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I can guarantee that if the Bills had gotten an extension done with him before the season, like they implied when they said that they would get something worked out for players that show up and play, that Crowell would have waited until the offseason to have surgery. No way would he have pulled this junk and no way would the Bills have retaliated.

This new front office is doing a fantastic job of destroying the team. I've stuck up for them all offseason, but the gloves are off now. They haven't gotten a deal done with Evans, didn't get one done with Crowell which created this mess, and have one of the best LTs in the game prepared to sit out virtually the entire season because they won't even begin negotiating with him. Screw these guys. I'm not sure what they're proving other than they're cheap and don't care if the team is good enough to contend for a Super Bowl.

 

[OC Zed]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

 

[OC Zed]

I can guarantee that if the Bills had gotten an extension done with him before the season, like they implied when they said that they would get something worked out for players that show up and play, that Crowell would have waited until the offseason to have surgery. No way would he have pulled this junk and no way would the Bills have retaliated. This new front office is doing a fantastic job of destroying the team. I've stuck up for them all offseason, but the gloves are off now. They haven't gotten a deal done with Evans, didn't get one done with Crowell which created this mess, and have one of the best LTs in the game prepared to sit out virtually the entire season because they won't even begin negotiating with him. Screw these guys. I'm not sure what they're proving other than they're cheap and don't care if the team is good enough to contend for a Super Bowl.

I have agreed 100% with the front office's position on Peters and I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on the Evans extension (I am still holding out hope that they can get the deal done), but did they even bother trying to renew Crowell's deal? I had never heard about any serious talks... which is particularly surprising considering he has been the most productive player on the defense the past 3 seasons. If Crowell had been a cancer in the locker room, I could understand this. But there has never been any indication of that.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I can guarantee that if the Bills had gotten an extension done with him before the season, like they implied when they said that they would get something worked out for players that show up and play, that Crowell would have waited until the offseason to have surgery. No way would he have pulled this junk and no way would the Bills have retaliated.

This new front office is doing a fantastic job of destroying the team. I've stuck up for them all offseason, but the gloves are off now. They haven't gotten a deal done with Evans, didn't get one done with Crowell which created this mess, and have one of the best LTs in the game prepared to sit out virtually the entire season because they won't even begin negotiating with him. Screw these guys. I'm not sure what they're proving other than they're cheap and don't care if the team is good enough to contend for a Super Bowl.

I have agreed 100% with the front office's position on Peters and I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on the Evans extension (I am still holding out hope that they can get the deal done), but did they even bother trying to renew Crowell's deal? I had never heard about any serious talks... which is particularly surprising considering he has been the most productive player on the defense the past 3 seasons. If Crowell had been a cancer in the locker room, I could understand this. But there has never been any indication of that.

Seems doubtful. The guy was chosen as a team captain last year. I'm really just stunned beyond belief on this whole thing. Stunned and getting angrier and angrier the more I dwell on it.

 

[GoBills02]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

So we can discuss why Tatum Bell stole Rudi's purse in the "Shark" Pool, but we can't discuss a matter involving a team's dealing with a contract of a player? This is a really random event. Can't say I've heard of it, but the Bills scare me with how quick they are to put people on IR. (see Paul Poslusny 2007)

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

You're wrong. IDP matters can be a topic in here as well. This is not the "offense" page.

 

[The Man With No Name]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

Why would any team trade for him? He's on IR so he's done for the season and it's the last year of his contract. This spitefulness from the Bills on this is just unbelievable. If it was really about roster space like they claim, they could just cut him since it's the last year of his contract. Then they wouldn't have to pay any of his salary for the year either unless he filed an injury grievance. But they didn't want him playing for anyone at all. They decided to pay him his entire 2008 salary just to destroy his value on the free market at the end of the year.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

Why would any team trade for him? He's on IR so he's done for the season and it's the last year of his contract. This spitefulness from the Bills on this is just unbelievable. If it was really about roster space like they claim, they could just cut him since it's the last year of his contract. Then they wouldn't have to pay any of his salary for the year either unless he filed an injury grievance. But they didn't want him playing for anyone at all. They decided to pay him his entire 2008 salary just to destroy his value on the free market at the end of the year.

the Bills could still release him and he could sign with another team. that happened with Troy Vincent 2 years ago.I'm waiting to get some official word from the team on the reason for this move. On the surface, it makes very little sense.

 

[The Man With No Name]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

Why would any team trade for him? He's on IR so he's done for the season and it's the last year of his contract. This spitefulness from the Bills on this is just unbelievable. If it was really about roster space like they claim, they could just cut him since it's the last year of his contract. Then they wouldn't have to pay any of his salary for the year either unless he filed an injury grievance. But they didn't want him playing for anyone at all. They decided to pay him his entire 2008 salary just to destroy his value on the free market at the end of the year.

Okay, I don't know the IR rules of the NFL. I figured if he was traded the other team would have the option of what to do with him. So Buffalo puting him on IR means he is out for the year, period?

 

[alg]

I don't know Grove. Seems to me that AC had it coming. To wait till 3 days before the start of the season for a chronic problem for over 2 years smacks of blackmail at best, or a great big FU form AC.

Since when is a new contract an entitlement? Peters gets a new contract and then tries to renegotiate 1-2 years latter? Giving in to player demands/blackmail (especially if demands are unreasonable) is the surest way to get holdouts and malcontents. I'll bet ya a dollar Crowell was asking for some big money. Seems all the players are jealous of the last batch of FAs. They seem to forget rather quickly how ridiculously paid they are in the first place.

Having said that, I too will be po'ed if they don't work out the Evan's contract. They have had a long time to work on that, and LE has been a great team player and never pulled this kind of siht.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

Why would any team trade for him? He's on IR so he's done for the season and it's the last year of his contract. This spitefulness from the Bills on this is just unbelievable. If it was really about roster space like they claim, they could just cut him since it's the last year of his contract. Then they wouldn't have to pay any of his salary for the year either unless he filed an injury grievance. But they didn't want him playing for anyone at all. They decided to pay him his entire 2008 salary just to destroy his value on the free market at the end of the year.

Okay, I don't know the IR rules of the NFL. I figured if he was traded the other team would have the option of what to do with him. So Buffalo puting him on IR means he is out for the year, period?

Hmm, I guess maybe I just assumed that a player on IR can't be traded and then play for another team. I know that teams can agree to an injury settlement with a player and drop him, making him an unrestricted free agent eligible to sign and play for another team. But I have never heard anything about a team trading a player on IR. Maybe I'm wrong and it CAN be done.I guess I've never heard anything about it because I've never heard of a team putting a player on IR out of spite before.

 

[OC Zed]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

So we can discuss why Tatum Bell stole Rudi's purse in the "Shark" Pool, but we can't discuss a matter involving a team's dealing with a contract of a player? This is a really random event. Can't say I've heard of it, but the Bills scare me with how quick they are to put people on IR. (see Paul Poslusny 2007)

Posluszny going on the IR last year really was an issue of attrition. IIRC, they had already lost Webster, Simpson and a few other key players that they couldn't afford to hold his roster spot open for two months.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't know Grove. Seems to me that AC had it coming. To wait till 3 days before the start of the season for a chronic problem for over 2 years smacks of blackmail at best, or a great big FU form AC.Since when is a new contract an entitlement? Peters gets a new contract and then tries to renegotiate 1-2 years latter? Giving in to player demands/blackmail (especially if demands are unreasonable) is the surest way to get holdouts and malcontents. I'll bet ya a dollar Crowell was asking for some big money. Seems all the players are jealous of the last batch of FAs. They seem to forget rather quickly how ridiculously paid they are in the first place.Having said that, I too will be po'ed if they don't work out the Evan's contract. They have had a long time to work on that, and LE has been a great team player and never pulled this kind of siht.

Admittedly, we don't know what was said between the Bills and Crowell. But the Bills have consistently said that they would work on getting stuff done for players that show up and show that they're dedicated to the team. My guess is that they kept telling Crowell that too. So he keeps practicing and preparing for the season thinking that he'll have the security of a new contract. Suddenly we get to the brink of the season and it becomes clear that no new contract is coming. He no longer has the long term security. Playing through the knee injury and getting surgery after the season suddenly carries a lot more risk. So he decides to protect his longterm interest by having the surgery now and coming back in a couple of weeks.I'm not sure where I can blame him. Only if the Bills told him early on that they weren't going to extend him would I put the blame on Crowell. But if they had done that, you'd have to believe that he would have had the surgery back then so that he could show all season what he was capable of in order to get a huge contract with someone else. To me, this just reaks of a GM that is over his head and too intent on making points rather than making a team.

 

[D_House]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

 

[OC Zed]

This just blows my mind if was really just a scope surgery. If his injury will keep him out only 3-4 weeks I can see him asking for a trade.

Why would any team trade for him? He's on IR so he's done for the season and it's the last year of his contract. This spitefulness from the Bills on this is just unbelievable. If it was really about roster space like they claim, they could just cut him since it's the last year of his contract. Then they wouldn't have to pay any of his salary for the year either unless he filed an injury grievance. But they didn't want him playing for anyone at all. They decided to pay him his entire 2008 salary just to destroy his value on the free market at the end of the year.

Okay, I don't know the IR rules of the NFL. I figured if he was traded the other team would have the option of what to do with him. So Buffalo puting him on IR means he is out for the year, period?

Hmm, I guess maybe I just assumed that a player on IR can't be traded and then play for another team. I know that teams can agree to an injury settlement with a player and drop him, making him an unrestricted free agent eligible to sign and play for another team. But I have never heard anything about a team trading a player on IR. Maybe I'm wrong and it CAN be done.I guess I've never heard anything about it because I've never heard of a team putting a player on IR out of spite before.

This decade has easily been the worst decade in the franchise's history. They just cannot do anything right. Thank god the Bengals are still around to take the heat off of us.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This decade has easily been the worst decade in the franchise's history. They just cannot do anything right. Thank god the Bengals are still around to take the heat off of us.

Dealing with all of the ridicule when losing 4 straight Super Bowls was tough, but I was proud of a team that managed to be good enough to make it to 4 straight Super Bowls. But this kind of stuff is just unbearable. It's flat out embarassing to be a Bills fan and have such an inept from office with such a stingy owner.There are a lot of other contract related issues around the league between teams and players. But no other team seems to be having the same ridiculous issues and outcomes like the Bills. I find it very difficult to believe that it's just coincidence. At some point, you have to pay players. Instead of overpaying guys like Langston Walker and Larry Tripplett from a few years ago, you gotta pay your young proven guys on your own team. There's no point in drafting well and developing guys if you're not going to keep any of them around.Ok, I'm done venting. For now.

 

[HoTnickZ]

If they did do it out of spite, can't some kind of grievance be filed?

 

[Obie Wan]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

Is this for real?Are we 100% sure they did this?

It's all over the BuffaloBills.com website. They absolutely did it. Either the front office or Ralph Wilson is seriously out of control. I didn't really had a problem with them playing hardball with Jason Peters, but this is just downright insane. It feels like the Bills would rather try to make some kind of point and punt this entire season than open up the wallet and create a team. I really had a bad feeling when this whole "cash to the cap" thing came out last year. I know times are tough in Buffalo, but Ralph Wilson and the Bills aren't going to be a competitive team if they're always $20-30M under the cap. Time to sell the team to an owner that will pay to make the team truly competitive again. An owner that will insure that players that are developed stay with the team for the long haul. An owner that won't end up driving away players with their hardline stance. Reading this seriously ruined my day. Talk about totally deflating my hopes for the season before it even began.

Bills are in a holding pattern until Ralph croaks.Company policy is not to take on the debt obligations of big multi-year contracts for its best players - even though Brandon the marketing expert will spin things to the contrary.Posters have bought the Brandon spin hook,line and sinker through the Evans and Peters messes. Too bad fans are finally figuring out the true intentions of the front office after the season tickets are already paid for.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

Since you don't wade here often you must be in the IDP forum a lot...if so did you happen to notice Bramel posted this story 3 hours before you in IDP forum??? honda

 

[GoBills02]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

Since you don't wade here often you must be in the IDP forum a lot...if so did you happen to notice Bramel posted this story 3 hours before you in IDP forum??? honda

So where do we put the luggage stealing threads or Chad Johnson changing his name?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Thread in wrong forum....IDP forum

This story has more relevance than just about who to start on your defense.

The IDP forum is not about who to start on you defense...that the AC forum! The IDP forum is for this kind of thread.

This reminds me why I don't wade into the Shark Pool very often.

Since you don't wade here often you must be in the IDP forum a lot...if so did you happen to notice Bramel posted this story 3 hours before you in IDP forum??? honda

Let it go man. You're wrong.

 

[thecardiackid]

I'm not focused on IDP (don't know AC), but have to assume this should mean a bump for MoMo/Jones rushing wise this week. Anyone care to comment on that - and help *justify* this thread here in the SP?

 

[Bri]

Can bad knees be a genetic issue?

 

[The Man With No Name]

Since you don't wade here often you must be in the IDP forum a lot...if so did you happen to notice Bramel posted this story 3 hours before you in IDP forum??? honda

Wrong. Jene posted that Crowell was out for this week because of surgery. He updated his original post and title after Crowell was put on IR. This thread was the first mention on any board that Crowell was put on IR.

 

[Gottabesweet]

They did this with Troy Vincent a couple years ago and Posluzney last year but his case was different because of a high rate of injuries.

 

[OC Zed]

For Buffalo and Rochester FBGs... was there any more info on this during the local news reports?

There HAS to be more to this story.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If they did do it out of spite, can't some kind of grievance be filed?

I don't know if he even could, but most likely he'd still lose. He is the one that elected to have the surgery that would put him out 2-4 weeks (at least). The Bills are saying that they already are thin at the position and couldn't have an inactive player taking up a roster spot at that position for that long. So even though everyone knows that it's a sham, they have an excuse for making the move that they made.

 

[HoTnickZ]

If they did do it out of spite, can't some kind of grievance be filed?

I don't know if he even could, but most likely he'd still lose. He is the one that elected to have the surgery that would put him out 2-4 weeks (at least). The Bills are saying that they already are thin at the position and couldn't have an inactive player taking up a roster spot at that position for that long. So even though everyone knows that it's a sham, they have an excuse for making the move that they made.

True, it just seems in bad spirit. Not only that, but it hurts the team on the field too. Unless he is truly a headache or cancer behind closed doors, then this is definitely something they should have been able to manage better. I just read up on the Jason Peters thing as well, and it seems they're letting these kinds of issues get in the way of improving the team. Sounds like it's reached the end of the line where they need a new owner or city (if a local buyer isn't out there) in the worst way.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

I'm seriously ticked off with how this team is being managed. If Ralph is so strapped for cash that he can't affort to sign players, I'm sure lots of us fans would be willing to chip in twenty bucks or so to help out. Maybe he could have a telethon.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks! I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

I'm seriously ticked off with how this team is being managed. If Ralph is so strapped for cash that he can't affort to sign players, I'm sure lots of us fans would be willing to chip in twenty bucks or so to help out. Maybe he could have a telethon.

For just a few nickels a day, you too can help support these poor millionaire athletes and multi-millionaire owner. Or, you can make a special one time donation that will help finance the lifestyle that they've become accustomed to. For instance, you can help Jason Peters buy a new Bentley. Or you can help make sure Ralph Wilson can continue to stockpile gold bricks under his mattress and hidden in his dresser drawers. So please, act now by calling 1-800-SPOILED before Marshawn Lynch has a weightroom "accident" that prevents him from reaching his incentive clauses. Because no player is too important for us to alienate on our march to mediocrity.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Wow. Ok, I've defended a lot of things that the Bills have done, but putting him on IR is just unbelievable. Yeah, the timing is terrible but it's 2-4 weeks!

I'm seriously ticked off right now. Not happy with the team at all. And why couldn't they get an extension done with him anyway? Also, why isn't a deal done with Evans yet? The Bills specifically said all during this Peters thing that if you come in and are a team player like Evans, that they'll get something worked out. Guess the true colors are showing through. I'm seriously getting to be at the end of my rope with this team.

I'm seriously ticked off with how this team is being managed. If Ralph is so strapped for cash that he can't affort to sign players, I'm sure lots of us fans would be willing to chip in twenty bucks or so to help out. Maybe he could have a telethon.

For just a few nickels a day, you too can help support these poor millionaire athletes and multi-millionaire owner. Or, you can make a special one time donation that will help finance the lifestyle that they've become accustomed to. For instance, you can help Jason Peters buy a new Bentley. Or you can help make sure Ralph Wilson can continue to stockpile gold bricks under his mattress and hidden in his dresser drawers. So please, act now by calling 1-800-SPOILED before Marshawn Lynch has a weightroom "accident" that prevents him from reaching his incentive clauses. Because no player is too important for us to alienate on our march to mediocrity.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm getting more and more irritated with the Bills on this. Chris Brown, the official Buffalo Bills blogger, has a post saying that Crowell hasn't even had the surgery yet and is going for a second opinion before having it done. But since the Bills have already put him on IR, it doesn't really matter. Good job Russ, way to completely over react and hurt the defense for the entire season. Wonder how **** Juaron feels about losing his best defensive player for the season on something stupid like this?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm getting more and more irritated with the Bills on this. Chris Brown, the official Buffalo Bills blogger, has a post saying that Crowell hasn't even had the surgery yet and is going for a second opinion before having it done. But since the Bills have already put him on IR, it doesn't really matter. Good job Russ, way to completely over react and hurt the defense for the entire season. Wonder how **** Juaron feels about losing his best defensive player for the season on something stupid like this?

you think Brandon would have done this without consulting Jauron first?

 

[OC Zed]

Now this is rich...

Link

CROWELL SEEKING SECOND OPINION: According to Bills head coach **** Jauron, LB Angelo Crowell still has not has surgery on his injured knee as he%s seeking a second opinion.

That still doesn%t change his status of being on injured reserve. His 2008 season is effectively over.

ETA: Look like Grove already beat me to this, but the link is there if anyone wants it.