Blackmon suspended 1st 4 games of season (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

According to John Clayton this was not PED related. I'm no NFL substance abuse policy expert, so I'm going with what I'm reading from reporters who are paid to know and report to us. As I understand it, he was placed in the program because of a DUI arrest, which is part of league policy (this answers Moderated's question of players going out and drinking without worry -- the difference is they don't have a DUI on record). I'm not certain about this part, but I believe he had to enter the program because of the 0.24 arrest in June 2012 after being drafted but before starting his career. And since then he had to have tested positive twice to be suspended -- I think. I've never had an alcohol problem but have been close to those who have. It's not just a matter of thinking they can put one over on the NFL's testing as someone above said, or of not caring enough about his $10 mil guarantee, or anything like that. If you've ever had a bad habit you just can't break, however benign, maybe you can imagine combining that with the physical addiction that goes with it in the alcoholic's case. It's not that he doesn't want to stop, not that he thinks he can fool anyone... it's that when it comes down to it he is unable to make the right choice and he succumbs to his addiction. I really do feel sorry for addicts. From a fantasy and NFL perspective, however, it doesn't change the fact that he's on his way to becoming a washout if he cannot -- with help -- beat his addiction.

Spot on. People are pointing out his high BAC level, at the time what struck me was that he was busted in the morning.

Who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?

Someone vacationing in Vegas?

 

[Bruce Hammond]

According to John Clayton this was not PED related. I'm no NFL substance abuse policy expert, so I'm going with what I'm reading from reporters who are paid to know and report to us. As I understand it, he was placed in the program because of a DUI arrest, which is part of league policy (this answers Moderated's question of players going out and drinking without worry -- the difference is they don't have a DUI on record). I'm not certain about this part, but I believe he had to enter the program because of the 0.24 arrest in June 2012 after being drafted but before starting his career. And since then he had to have tested positive twice to be suspended -- I think. I've never had an alcohol problem but have been close to those who have. It's not just a matter of thinking they can put one over on the NFL's testing as someone above said, or of not caring enough about his $10 mil guarantee, or anything like that. If you've ever had a bad habit you just can't break, however benign, maybe you can imagine combining that with the physical addiction that goes with it in the alcoholic's case. It's not that he doesn't want to stop, not that he thinks he can fool anyone... it's that when it comes down to it he is unable to make the right choice and he succumbs to his addiction. I really do feel sorry for addicts. From a fantasy and NFL perspective, however, it doesn't change the fact that he's on his way to becoming a washout if he cannot -- with help -- beat his addiction.

Spot on. People are pointing out his high BAC level, at the time what struck me was that he was busted in the morning.

Who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?

I assume not that he woke up but that he never stopped from the night before.

 

[Adam Harstad]

According to John Clayton this was not PED related. I'm no NFL substance abuse policy expert, so I'm going with what I'm reading from reporters who are paid to know and report to us. As I understand it, he was placed in the program because of a DUI arrest, which is part of league policy (this answers Moderated's question of players going out and drinking without worry -- the difference is they don't have a DUI on record). I'm not certain about this part, but I believe he had to enter the program because of the 0.24 arrest in June 2012 after being drafted but before starting his career. And since then he had to have tested positive twice to be suspended -- I think. I've never had an alcohol problem but have been close to those who have. It's not just a matter of thinking they can put one over on the NFL's testing as someone above said, or of not caring enough about his $10 mil guarantee, or anything like that. If you've ever had a bad habit you just can't break, however benign, maybe you can imagine combining that with the physical addiction that goes with it in the alcoholic's case. It's not that he doesn't want to stop, not that he thinks he can fool anyone... it's that when it comes down to it he is unable to make the right choice and he succumbs to his addiction. I really do feel sorry for addicts. From a fantasy and NFL perspective, however, it doesn't change the fact that he's on his way to becoming a washout if he cannot -- with help -- beat his addiction.

Spot on. People are pointing out his high BAC level, at the time what struck me was that he was busted in the morning.

Who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?

He was busted at 3am. It's much more likely that he just hadn't gone to bed yet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Oh well 3 AM, the evening was just getting started.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld update:

Suspended WR Justin Blackmon recently underwent groin surgery, and his status for the start of training camp is unknown.
Blackmon was limited at June minicamp and held out of the final practice, indicating the injury occurred then. The date of the surgery is unknown, but he'll likely be a bit behind the eight ball once healed. Due to his four-game suspension for substance abuse, Blackmon wasn't going to play in the first month anyway. Mohamed Massaquoi will take his spot with the first-team offense. Blackmon finished a wildly inconsistent rookie season with 64 catches for 865 yards and five touchdowns, getting nearly 30 percent of his yardage in a Week 11 game against an injury-depleted Texans defense.


Source: Florida Times Union

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

According to John Clayton this was not PED related. I'm no NFL substance abuse policy expert, so I'm going with what I'm reading from reporters who are paid to know and report to us. As I understand it, he was placed in the program because of a DUI arrest, which is part of league policy (this answers Moderated's question of players going out and drinking without worry -- the difference is they don't have a DUI on record). I'm not certain about this part, but I believe he had to enter the program because of the 0.24 arrest in June 2012 after being drafted but before starting his career. And since then he had to have tested positive twice to be suspended -- I think. I've never had an alcohol problem but have been close to those who have. It's not just a matter of thinking they can put one over on the NFL's testing as someone above said, or of not caring enough about his $10 mil guarantee, or anything like that. If you've ever had a bad habit you just can't break, however benign, maybe you can imagine combining that with the physical addiction that goes with it in the alcoholic's case. It's not that he doesn't want to stop, not that he thinks he can fool anyone... it's that when it comes down to it he is unable to make the right choice and he succumbs to his addiction. I really do feel sorry for addicts. From a fantasy and NFL perspective, however, it doesn't change the fact that he's on his way to becoming a washout if he cannot -- with help -- beat his addiction.

Spot on. People are pointing out his high BAC level, at the time what struck me was that he was busted in the morning.

Who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?

alcoholics

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000228549/article/justin-blackmon-escorted-from-jags-sideline-after-spat

Did anyone catch what happened with Blackmon on the sidelines last night? I still am holding out slim hopes for him but I'm starting to worry that he may go Titus Young on us. I don't want to overreact here but what was this guy thinking trying to get into it with the Dolphins when he's not even in the game?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars

Jaguars coach Gus Bradley held a meeting with suspended WR Justin Blackmon after Blackmon had to be escorted off the field during Friday night's preseason opener against the Dolphins.

Blackmon, who wasn't even active due to groin surgery, seems to have mental issues. He was called to Bradley's office following a verbal confrontation with Dolphins CB Nolan Carroll on the sideline, then got into it with teammate Jason Babin when Babin told Blackmon to "pipe down" because he's suspended four games. Blackmon isn't endearing himself to coaches or teammates.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter Aug 10 - 4:51 AM

He's clearly a special type of stupid

 

[cstu]

Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars

Jaguars coach Gus Bradley held a meeting with suspended WR Justin Blackmon after Blackmon had to be escorted off the field during Friday night's preseason opener against the Dolphins.

Blackmon, who wasn't even active due to groin surgery, seems to have mental issues. He was called to Bradley's office following a verbal confrontation with Dolphins CB Nolan Carroll on the sideline, then got into it with teammate Jason Babin when Babin told Blackmon to "pipe down" because he's suspended four games. Blackmon isn't endearing himself to coaches or teammates.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter Aug 10 - 4:51 AM

He's clearly a special type of stupid

He's a headcase but it seems to be a common theme with WR's. Now would be a good time to trade for him.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars

Jaguars coach Gus Bradley held a meeting with suspended WR Justin Blackmon after Blackmon had to be escorted off the field during Friday night's preseason opener against the Dolphins.

Blackmon, who wasn't even active due to groin surgery, seems to have mental issues. He was called to Bradley's office following a verbal confrontation with Dolphins CB Nolan Carroll on the sideline, then got into it with teammate Jason Babin when Babin told Blackmon to "pipe down" because he's suspended four games. Blackmon isn't endearing himself to coaches or teammates.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter Aug 10 - 4:51 AM

He's clearly a special type of stupid

He's a headcase but it seems to be a common theme with WR's. Now would be a good time to trade for him.

what would u give me

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I saw that and wondered how long till he garners a year-long suspension. He's all kinds of dumb.

ETA: Buy Shorts wherever you can.

 

[EBF]

I think his long term value is very binary at this point. Either he stays out of trouble and smashes his current cost or he gets in serious trouble again and becomes a "what could have been" cautionary tale. There's probably no real middle ground. I've only got him in three leagues and I already received two offers for him after last night's game. People are looking to capitalize on the fear factor and get him at a discount right now. My instinct is to go against the knee jerk reaction and hold/buy rather than looking to panic sell. At some point the talent/potential outweighs the risk of implosion.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I saw that and wondered how long till he garners a year-long suspension. He's all kinds of dumb.

ETA: Buy Shorts wherever you can.

wouldn't spend much

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Anyone remember Koren Robinson? He had a couple of good seasons in his 2nd and 3rd years, but was basically done by age 25 due to alcohol issues and the problems it caused him on and off the field. He was a good WR, who I believe could have had a long, good career if he wasn't a full blown alcoholic (he even admitted that led to his downfall).

Blackmon hasn't even played a snap of his 2nd year, is suspended for 4 games to start the season due to booze and is now mixing it up from the sidelines in the pre-season. He may have all the talent in the world, but I could see the alcohol problems ruining his career.

 

[cstu]

Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars

Jaguars coach Gus Bradley held a meeting with suspended WR Justin Blackmon after Blackmon had to be escorted off the field during Friday night's preseason opener against the Dolphins.

Blackmon, who wasn't even active due to groin surgery, seems to have mental issues. He was called to Bradley's office following a verbal confrontation with Dolphins CB Nolan Carroll on the sideline, then got into it with teammate Jason Babin when Babin told Blackmon to "pipe down" because he's suspended four games. Blackmon isn't endearing himself to coaches or teammates.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter Aug 10 - 4:51 AM

He's clearly a special type of stupid

He's a headcase but it seems to be a common theme with WR's. Now would be a good time to trade for him.

what would u give me

I wouldn't give you a possible young stud like Patterson or Hopkins for him, but I certainly would give an older guy like Colston or Jennings. Maybe even Crabtree.

 

[cstu]

Here's what coach had to say:

"I'm not going to say that there was (nothing) between Justin and Jason Babin, but it was more like, 'Just back up when Gus is telling you to back up,'" Bradley said. "It's one of those things, and it probably appeared bigger. But it was a lot smaller than what I initially thought."

 

[Air Stich]

I wonder what was actually said between Babin and Blackmon that lead to Blackmon being escorted off the field. Everyone is reporting Babin said to "pipe down," which seems a little innocuous.

Maybe he told him to "put the pipe down" and we're getting media spin.

 

[cstu]

I wonder what was actually said between Babin and Blackmon that lead to Blackmon being escorted off the field. Everyone is reporting Babin said to "pipe down," which seems a little innocuous.

Maybe he told him to "put the pipe down" and we're getting media spin.

Blackmon got into it with Carroll and then Babin told him that a guy who is suspended for four games shouldn't be running his mouth.

 

[Pantherz]

Anyone remember Koren Robinson? He had a couple of good seasons in his 2nd and 3rd years, but was basically done by age 25 due to alcohol issues and the problems it caused him on and off the field. He was a good WR, who I believe could have had a long, good career if he wasn't a full blown alcoholic (he even admitted that led to his downfall).

Blackmon hasn't even played a snap of his 2nd year, is suspended for 4 games to start the season due to booze and is now mixing it up from the sidelines in the pre-season. He may have all the talent in the world, but I could see the alcohol problems ruining his career.

Unfortunately this may be the perfect comparison. Robinson absolutely had the talent, as does Blackmon. I remember thinking there's no way a career can end the way Koren Robinson's did just from alcohol. I kept thinking he'd finally hit rock bottom, realize what he was throwing away.

For the record, I kept drafting KRob every year. And yes, I'll probably gamble on Blackmon too. Like them I can't resist.

 

[squistion]

I had Blackmon ranked as my dynasty WR9 until this. Today I got this email from a friend: "I know you were high on Blackmon before this. Do you view this as a reason to cool on him, given that he is theoretically subject to a bigger suspension if caught again and given this as evidence of poor judgment? Or do you view this as a buy low opportunity?" I have to see him as a huge risk now, not a buy low.

The 2010 arrest could be thought of as no big deal, a college kid enjoying college. The 2012 arrest with a crazy 0.24 blood alcohol in retrospect should have been more alarming to me but because of his immense talent I looked the other way more than I should have. A blood alcohol level that high by itself should have had alarm bells going off in my head, for that's a level a casual drinker probably can't even reach before passing out first. It should have said to me that this was a hard core drinker. Now he's been fined 4 games for substance abuse, not PEDs, which has to make one assume he has a continuing drinking problem, one so bad that he's unable to stop even if it means losing millions in contract guarantees. By being suspended it means he has tested positive multiple times since entering the NFL -- not counting the 0.24 last year before he signed a contract, as I understand it. So, 2010, 2012, and getting caught by tests multiple times in 2012/13 under the NFL testing program... and that's only the times he's been caught. Imagine all the other times he's been under the influence.

It is pretty clear to me he has a lifestyle problem he can't control, and all the apologies and good intentions in the world don't add up to 10 cents worth of ability to beat this problem. He looks like a huge risk to again fail a test and be done for a year, and then who knows. If he can't beat this he essentially kills his career at some point. I haven't decided where to now rank him. First, there's the 4 games lost in 2013 which matter. Then there's the big risk he's got a lifelong problem, and you can bet the Jags are taking into account his unreliability when forecasting his future with the team, as will other teams if/when he's no longer with Jacksonville. He falls from dynasty WR9 in my rankings no doubt, but to where is the question. I'll be posting new rankings in the next day or two and by then I'll have digested this better and hopefully will have a better feel for that. Bruce

Called that one right.