Blind bid waivers (1 Viewer)

[Eggs]

If you participated in a league that had blind bidding, can you give me your take?

One of my leagues has a first come first serve all year, so unless your sitting in front of the TV every week, the back-up to whoever gets hurt is always long gone. To me that is too binding and is making me question whether I will even participate in this league next year. To top it off rosters are 20 players deep (start 11), making free agents that are worth picking up scarce.

My other league has a waiver order set by record and if your are a top team there is no chance you get a player until the rest of the league has a shot at them first. Opposite extremes, but not as bad because rosters are small at 14 (start 8), so it seems there is always someone to pick up.

What little I know about blind bid is that it seems pretty fair as far as whomever wants the player can get him, but may have to pay a steep price. Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free?

I am looking for some good material to present to the league(s) try and change our current system. Any input would be appreciated.

Eggs

 

[fridayfrenzy]

-Pick ups end every week on Saturday at midnight.

-$100 Bid Bucks for the season

-You have until Tuesday at 7pm ET to put in your blind bids. Claims are processed at 7PM ET and then free agent can then be pickup up for the rest of the week.

-Every player which is dropped, whether it be from claims or free-agency goes through a 24 hour blind bid system and is awarded to the highest bidder. We work this by sending PMs to the prior owner and then the owner will make an announement of who won the bidding.

-Every free agent transaction is a $1 penalty. This is to basically avoid people from picking up and dropping a million players throughout the week and trying to block other teams.

-Once you are out of your $100 bid bucks, you can no longer partake in the blind bid system each week, but you can still pick up free agents. This is to ensure that a team is never screwed and can no longer make any transactions for bye weks or injuries, etc.

Its a great system which has worked quite well.

 

[roadkill1292]

What little I know about blind bid is that it seems pretty fair as far as whomever wants the player can get him, but may have to pay a steep price. Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free?

I'm not sure I understand the bolded question. If nobody bids on a player, then he remains a free agent, at least until the next blind bidding period.While the mechanics of each blind bidding system vary from league to league, there's no doubt in my mind that it is the best free agency system out there. We allocate a $75 budget for purchasing free agents during the season, real money which has the bonus of bumping the pot by a substantial amount every year.

 

[MarcO]

-Pick ups end every week on Saturday at midnight.-$100 Bid Bucks for the season-You have until Tuesday at 7pm ET to put in your blind bids. Claims are processed at 7PM ET and then free agent can then be pickup up for the rest of the week.-Every player which is dropped, whether it be from claims or free-agency goes through a 24 hour blind bid system and is awarded to the highest bidder. We work this by sending PMs to the prior owner and then the owner will make an announement of who won the bidding.-Every free agent transaction is a $1 penalty. This is to basically avoid people from picking up and dropping a million players throughout the week and trying to block other teams. -Once you are out of your $100 bid bucks, you can no longer partake in the blind bid system each week, but you can still pick up free agents. This is to ensure that a team is never screwed and can no longer make any transactions for bye weks or injuries, etc.Its a great system which has worked quite well.

just curious what site you use. This is the way I wanted my waivers to work but I couldn't get CBSSportsline to use a blend of auction and free agency pickups. You have a good method for handling the bidding on the drops for the week.

 

[MarcO]

If you participated in a league that had blind bidding, can you give me your take?

One of my leagues has a first come first serve all year, so unless your sitting in front of the TV every week, the back-up to whoever gets hurt is always long gone. To me that is too binding and is making me question whether I will even participate in this league next year. To top it off rosters are 20 players deep (start 11), making free agents that are worth picking up scarce.

My other league has a waiver order set by record and if your are a top team there is no chance you get a player until the rest of the league has a shot at them first. Opposite extremes, but not as bad because rosters are small at 14 (start 8), so it seems there is always someone to pick up.

What little I know about blind bid is that it seems pretty fair as far as whomever wants the player can get him, but may have to pay a steep price. Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free?

I am looking for some good material to present to the league(s) try and change our current system. Any input would be appreciated.

Eggs

you can allow for $0 bids which would make the pickup in essence "free". Or do you mean that if after the waivers have run is he them free to pick up? good question - I wanted my league to run this way but couldn't find a way to make it work that way.

 

[turnit643]

We use blind bidding along with our salary cap.

Whatever cap money an owner has left over from the draft he can use during the year for bidding (along with the player's salary that he's planning to cut) Naturally, that amount changes throughout the year as players are acquired/dropped/traded.

We have two bid deadlines per week - Wednesday and Saturday nights.

We've done it this way for 12 seasons now and wouldn't do it any other way. It's competitive, everyone gets a shot at any player, and it adds something to the whole aspect of managing your team's cap.

 

[AcerFC]

We started the blind bid process this year and I have to say that I love it. We do it a little differently then others have said so far

$100 bucks to start the season

$0 bids are not allowed

When you run out of money, you run out of adds (didnt come close to happening this year)

Auctions are run on Wednesday mornings, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday

Once Sunday comes, I open the Free Agents up on a first come first serve basis (due to gtd and injuries), however, if you pick a player up on Sunday then you have to incur a $5 budget hit. This is to ensure that people dont just wait on a player and get him cheap

Then at 1:00 on Sunday I turn the bid auction back on and it starts again Wed morning

It definitely adds more strategy to the game and is actually fun trying to figure out how much to bid on a player

 

[SteelerMurf]

I love the blind bidding in Antsports leagues.

I am going to impliment it in the CBS Sportsline league next year ( I think they added this option)

It allows a first place team to actually get some decent free agents. For example, in my CBS league I was in first place when Portis went out and had no chance to get Betts thru Waivers. In an Antsports league, I would have had equal chance to pick up Betts.

I have been last or next to the last on my CBS waiver wire for 2 years straight. I enjoy the winning seasons, but it sucks getting the scraps on the waivers .

 

[yaheRRdme]

We have been using it for a few years...it was good to start but now it is OK..really not that effective, I am thinking just limiting the adds would be more effective

Say you have 100$ in bid money...thhere is really only one or two highly sought after players a year....not even sure who falls in to this category this year...so when one of these highly sought after players are available just spend 80-90 % of you alottment....you can only get one of these players a year anyway when you think about it due to the other people bidding....

The rest of the players picked up are either flashes in the pan or hunches who are picked up before they are hot....

I think this would be a more effective and strategic method....give everyone 10$ that is it.... and 1$ minimums..so the maximum number of pickups is 10 for they year...if you spend 5 on one player then your max becomes 6......probably need to think about it some more but if you can combine the bidding with a max of 10-20 moves maybe it will be able to work better.... but if there is a 100 bank and 1$ pickups then that pretty much has no effect

 

[Real Man of Genius]

 

[Eggs]

Thanks for the replies.

Roadkilll and Marco what I meant by "Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free" is that if ther are no bids on a player, does that player become available for anyone to pickup without it going against their bid cap. I now think it makes sense to have a minimum fee that would count against the cap.

I know that with any system, I could not get them to limit the amount of transactions though. I think some would cry that it would put a cap on the transaction kitty. Maybe a solution would be to have the price of transactions increase drastically to encourage cap management.

 

[roadkill1292]

Thanks for the replies.Roadkilll and Marco what I meant by "Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free" is that if ther are no bids on a player, does that player become available for anyone to pickup without it going against their bid cap. I now think it makes sense to have a minimum fee that would count against the cap.I know that with any system, I could not get them to limit the amount of transactions though. I think some would cry that it would put a cap on the transaction kitty. Maybe a solution would be to have the price of transactions increase drastically to encourage cap management.

Ok, yo comprendo. In our system, blind bidding is the only way to procure free agents so that's why I was confused. I think you might be mistaken that your owners would be opposed to a FAAB cap. Without one, you may have people with deeper pockets throwing caution to the wind with their spending and, next thing you know, you've got a major league baseball dynamic going.Our league fees are $100 and we allow owners to spend up to $75 more in purchasing free agents. When that budget is exhausted, you're done. Simple, fair and works very well. We've been doing it this way for over 10 years.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

How do you guys manage the bidding process? How does the commish not get a major advantage by seeing the bids ahead of everybody else?

 

[Prince Myshkin]

BTW, my local league considered going to a once a week live auction for free agents, but we decided against it. We are a pretty close group of friends, so I thought it would work getting together once per week. One of our owners owns a little bar/restaraunt that would have been perfect for it. We had one owner that got moved to working nights, so alas we had to scrap the idea.

 

[roadkill1292]

How do you guys manage the bidding process? How does the commish not get a major advantage by seeing the bids ahead of everybody else?

We're a Sportsline league so we set the league up requiring commissioner approval for free agent transactions. So when somebody does an Add/Drop, it puts the transaction into a file awaiting commish approval. At deadline, we call up the file and evaluate the bids. I print a hard copy for the files in case of a dispute but we've never had one.My co-commish and I have an earlier deadline than our fellow owners and we keep each other honest. Usually, we get our bids in via email to each other and encourage everyone else to wait until our deadline has passed before they punch in an Add/Drop request.

 

[None_More_Black]

Thanks for the replies.Roadkilll and Marco what I meant by "Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free" is that if ther are no bids on a player, does that player become available for anyone to pickup without it going against their bid cap. I now think it makes sense to have a minimum fee that would count against the cap.I know that with any system, I could not get them to limit the amount of transactions though. I think some would cry that it would put a cap on the transaction kitty. Maybe a solution would be to have the price of transactions increase drastically to encourage cap management.

Ok, yo comprendo. In our system, blind bidding is the only way to procure free agents so that's why I was confused. I think you might be mistaken that your owners would be opposed to a FAAB cap. Without one, you may have people with deeper pockets throwing caution to the wind with their spending and, next thing you know, you've got a major league baseball dynamic going.Our league fees are $100 and we allow owners to spend up to $75 more in purchasing free agents. When that budget is exhausted, you're done. Simple, fair and works very well. We've been doing it this way for over 10 years.

Funny, I am in a 100 dollar league with a real money blind bid system 75 cap and this is our 11th year. Real money blind bid is the best free agent system out there. You really think twice when deciding to add a player. Plus when someone over bids, there is a lot of trash talk. We actually keep records of highest amount paid for free agents. Looking back over the years, it has been pretty funny looking at the names.

 

[roadkill1292]

Thanks for the replies.Roadkilll and Marco what I meant by "Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free" is that if ther are no bids on a player, does that player become available for anyone to pickup without it going against their bid cap. I now think it makes sense to have a minimum fee that would count against the cap.I know that with any system, I could not get them to limit the amount of transactions though. I think some would cry that it would put a cap on the transaction kitty. Maybe a solution would be to have the price of transactions increase drastically to encourage cap management.

Ok, yo comprendo. In our system, blind bidding is the only way to procure free agents so that's why I was confused. I think you might be mistaken that your owners would be opposed to a FAAB cap. Without one, you may have people with deeper pockets throwing caution to the wind with their spending and, next thing you know, you've got a major league baseball dynamic going.Our league fees are $100 and we allow owners to spend up to $75 more in purchasing free agents. When that budget is exhausted, you're done. Simple, fair and works very well. We've been doing it this way for over 10 years.

Funny, I am in a 100 dollar league with a real money blind bid system 75 cap and this is our 11th year. Real money blind bid is the best free agent system out there. You really think twice when deciding to add a player. Plus when someone over bids, there is a lot of trash talk. We actually keep records of highest amount paid for free agents. Looking back over the years, it has been pretty funny looking at the names.

An added bonus for sure.

 

[CravenM]

We are a 12 team keeper league with blind bids, no max for an individual or a year, $1.00 minimum.

Each week, the commish sends his bid to someone, receives all bids by Wednesday at 5pm, sorts them out and sends out a list to everyone - Looks something like this:

QB Joe Blow $4.75 - Team A - Friday 6pm

QB Joe Blow $3.50 - *** - Saturday 6pm

QB Joe Blow $1.00 - *** - Sunday 8am

For each guy bid on, the list is ordered from highest bid to lowest - any ties goes to the lower ranked (mercator or power ranking) team. The day/time is the last time they can decide to pick up the player. Past the highest bid, the other owners are asterisked out (***) so that there is no strategy to determine if you want to block Team B from picking up Joe Blow. For owners not enumerated, they have to remember what they bid (i.e. I bid Joe Blow at $3.50). There's no requirement to pick up guys but the lineup does have to be legal by Sunday at 8am.

We like this method because it builds the pot up. Last year, the total was around $1900 - winner gets 60%, 2nd is 30%, 3rd is 10%. The season usually starts out slow but stiffs like Jeff Garcia just went for $16 this week. And there are a few cheap owners who spend less than $20 for the season but that's their choice. Two or three owners routinely spend between $200 and $300 a season. I think I paid the highest ever for a free agent: Anquan Boldin for $86 - dang I loved that guy

On Sunday at 8am, we have a Grab Time until Sunday at 12:55pm where anybody can be grabbed for $3 - the player/team must have been a free agent during Wednesday (i.e. can't grab a player just dropped) and the guy must start that weekend. This helps for players that get injured on Thursday or Friday and also for owners that missed the bid or forgot about someone on a bye.

I wish CBS did a free agent process like this but doing it manually isn't a big deal - probably only takes 45 minutes to put the list together.

 

[[scooter]]

- everyone starts with $50 budget for entire year

- weekly losers get an additional $5 added to their budget

- bidding goes from Sunday night through Thursday night (with first-come-first-served Friday-Sunday morning)

- when you cut a player, you keep 50% of his value for your waiver budget

Things worked OK although $50 was really too much money, and the $5 bonus for losers made some people grumble. We're going to tweak it next year by reducing the starting # to $20, then giving $2 to weekly winners and $4 to weekly losers.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

If you participated in a league that had blind bidding, can you give me your take?One of my leagues has a first come first serve all year, so unless your sitting in front of the TV every week, the back-up to whoever gets hurt is always long gone. To me that is too binding and is making me question whether I will even participate in this league next year. To top it off rosters are 20 players deep (start 11), making free agents that are worth picking up scarce.My other league has a waiver order set by record and if your are a top team there is no chance you get a player until the rest of the league has a shot at them first. Opposite extremes, but not as bad because rosters are small at 14 (start 8), so it seems there is always someone to pick up.What little I know about blind bid is that it seems pretty fair as far as whomever wants the player can get him, but may have to pay a steep price. Assuming nobody bids on a player is he then free?I am looking for some good material to present to the league(s) try and change our current system. Any input would be appreciated.Eggs

Blind bidding is great...but be sure to use conditional blind bidding. As for if nobody bids on a player..in one of my leagues he's not free..we bid on wed 11pm deadline then again on sat 11pm deadline..there is no fcfs or worst to first.