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Blount - any value? (1 Viewer)

Judge Smails

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Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?

 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
 
Tampa fans are getting tired of Martin. They want to see more Blount. And honestly, if Blount got a shot, he probably wouldn't give the job back. Martin is not looking the last bit impressive. I've only got Blount rostered in one league, but thinking about picking him up in a couple others. How long can 3.4 ypc last?
 
yeah because Tampa Bay fans NEVER over-react /end sarcasim

there is not one RB in the league that will do anything on that team when your starting QB fails to move the chains. Also that OL looks drastically bad with Joseph out.

 
Haha, so it's the team's fault that Martin is averaging 3.4 ypc but it was Blount who gave up last year when he averaged 4.2 ypc?

And sure Joseph is out, but Nicks was THE top OL acquisition this year. So Blount managed 4.2 ypc without Nicks while Martin is doing his thing without Joseph. I'm going to call it a wash at best because in reality Nicks >> Joseph.

Martin is just a rookie so I'm not saying he's a scrub. There's a learning curve in the NFL even at RB. But I'm pretty sure that for at least 2012, Blount > Martin but Shiano is a stubborn doucher.

 
'Ray_T said:
'KellysHeroes said:
'Judge Smails said:
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
 
'Ray_T said:
'KellysHeroes said:
'Judge Smails said:
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...

 
Bucs coach Greg Schiano believes LeGarrette Blount "probably needs more carries."

Blount has just seven of them in three games. Schiano hinted Blount could see a bigger workload against the Redskins on Sunday, but considering he's averaging 2.3 carries, a bigger workload wouldn't exactly be a concern for Doug Martin owners. Blount remains a pure handcuff.
 
Bucs coach Greg Schiano believes LeGarrette Blount "probably needs more carries."

Blount has just seven of them in three games. Schiano hinted Blount could see a bigger workload against the Redskins on Sunday, but considering he's averaging 2.3 carries, a bigger workload wouldn't exactly be a concern for Doug Martin owners. Blount remains a pure handcuff.
Schiano's way of saying that the Martin Project isn't working out as planned.Love or hate Blount, the guy can move the ball. His YPC are good and he finds the holes. This will be a full blown timeshare by week 6

 
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Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...
well, it sure looks like they sent him a message when they drafted another RB in the first round and give away his starting job.clearly they were not happy with something that happened last year and have not played him much this year at all. Dont get me wrong, I love the way this guy runs. he doesnt run around people he runs through them, and doesn't care if he takes their head off in the process.

either way, we can only hope that the kid buckles down and learns what the coach wants him to learn (the art of pass blocking)

For now, he has not starting job, and may or may not have value as the season wears on.

 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...
well, it sure looks like they sent him a message when they drafted another RB in the first round and give away his starting job.clearly they were not happy with something that happened last year and have not played him much this year at all. Dont get me wrong, I love the way this guy runs. he doesnt run around people he runs through them, and doesn't care if he takes their head off in the process.

either way, we can only hope that the kid buckles down and learns what the coach wants him to learn (the art of pass blocking)

For now, he has not starting job, and may or may not have value as the season wears on.
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
 
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.

 
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.
I don't have a lot to add on Blount, but I appreciate this post. I only catch bits and pieces of TB (Redzone) and I guess I assumed he didn't have the pass down skill set based on his size and running style. You make a great case there.
 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...
Except what WAS reported was when Blount got hurt, and during a post game interview, Schiano said that the injury was not bad at all and that he had no idea why Blount didn't want to put himself back in the game.Sounds like same ol' Blount to me.

 
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.

This. As an owner last year, Blount is never really startable unless he is going to get all/most the carries, and remain in on passing situations. His shortcomings in the passing game make that unlikely, and I think they would end up with an RBBC like last year. I'm not sure who the other in their RBBC would be if he gets hurt, however last year they were pulling up practice squad guys up and never really trusted him in passing situations.... I don't think anything has changed since last year.

 
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.
Due to his size, I find it odd that he would get the "bad pass blocking" rep. Maybe it's technique? As for the catch rate. What is the sample size? I'm assuming it's extremely small, I'm not sure it's fair comparing it to players who get 50+ targets a year in the passing game.
 
Due to his size, I find it odd that he would get the "bad pass blocking" rep. Maybe it's technique? As for the catch rate. What is the sample size? I'm assuming it's extremely small, I'm not sure it's fair comparing it to players who get 50+ targets a year in the passing game.
Yeah, the caveat was I am not an NFL coach. They have better football brains, more experience, more film time and their livelihoods depend on them making correct personnel decisions. I'm sitting back at the end of the day with a cup of tea watching a lot of games, looking at stats and I am asking the same question you are. The stats say he isn't a bad blocker, but two sets of coaches have failed to use him in that role and have also largely ignored him in the passing game. The receiving sample size is indeed low. I had written my Blount observations when I had PFF stats access and I don't have access to the same receiving data today. It wasn't as simple as receptions/target, but I am a little uncomfortable that I can't back up my claims with those stats.
 
I could have taken Blount or Bilal Powell off the waiver wire. I chose Powell. I know he's gonna get more carries as time rolls on, maybe not against S.F. but I look for him to eventually/soon have the bulk of the carries. May not mean much as Jets running game is sucking and needs change. Martin's probably hitting the rookie wall and they want Blount to get some more carries to give Martin a rest,learn some more and come out more explosive the rest of the way. Blount may only be a short term answer as I don't think the coaches believe he can still pass protect 3rd downs. Fine if he takes over for a little while but Martin will be back out there.

 
Martin can't take every carry, plain and simple. Maybe if they gave him a breather once in a while his ypc would increase. I think giving a rookie the ball 20-25 times a game is too much. If they give Blount a few more touches, you may actually see even more production form Martin when he is in the game. Maybe 2 drives Martin, 1 drive Blount, mix it up some on 3rd down passing situations.

 
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Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.
Blount has 21 career receptions, and in the year he rushed for 1,000 yards he had a whole 14 receiving yards. If that doesn't tell you enough, the games should. Blount, like Cadillac Williams before him up until coming back from his 2nd patella tear, is an awful receiver and blocker. Football metrics can fall anywhere between an inexact science to downright silly. There are 1,000 variables that go into games that metrics don't account for. Like his catch rate being higher than Arian Foster's. Not only does that make your argument for his metrics a lot less credible (citing a stat being better than a RB who is world's better as a receiver), but Foster also has a ton more targets and is a big presence in the screen game (a play which has a tendency to get blown up for an incompletion). Not to mention comparing him to Graham, who was only in the games in the first place largely because he was so well-rounded, versus Blount who is often taken off the field for lack of skill in pass pro/receiving.
 
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Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.
Blount has 21 career receptions, and in the year he rushed for 1,000 yards he had a whole 14 receiving yards. If that doesn't tell you enough, the games should. Blount, like Cadillac Williams before him up until coming back from his 2nd patella tear, is an awful receiver and blocker. Football metrics can fall anywhere between an inexact science to downright silly. There are 1,000 variables that go into games that metrics don't account for. Like his catch rate being higher than Arian Foster's. Not only does that make your argument for his metrics a lot less credible (citing a stat being better than a RB who is world's better as a receiver), but Foster also has a ton more targets and is a big presence in the screen game (a play which has a tendency to get blown up for an incompletion). Not to mention comparing him to Graham, who was only in the games in the first place largely because he was so well-rounded, versus Blount who is often taken off the field for lack of skill in pass pro/receiving.
:rolleyes: Haters gonna hate.People act like Blount has tried and failed, but the reality is that he's played in the NFL for 2 years under a coaching staff that amounted to little more than a bad joke. Morris & Co. did not attempt to coach him up in those areas. He is not too old to learn new tricks. If the metrics show he was at least passable in these categories that's all we need to know. We don't need something concrete telling us he's better than anyone, but there is evidence that the "common knowledge" on him might be inaccurate. And there is hope that with some good coaching he might develop in these areas. But we're talking about a running back here and we can nit pick his pass blocking and pass catching all day long, but first and foremost the guy is an excellent runner. Doug Martin does not appear to be. If Blount gets half the carries and more yards than Martin in one or two games, it's going to be difficult even for a stubborn putz like Shiano to keep Blount out of the game. Even more so if Blount shows he improved in secondary aspects such as blocking and catching.

Shiano might not have to bull rush the victory formation anymore if he starts using a capable running back...

 
:rolleyes: Haters gonna hate.People act like Blount has tried and failed, but the reality is that he's played in the NFL for 2 years under a coaching staff that amounted to little more than a bad joke. Morris & Co. did not attempt to coach him up in those areas. He is not too old to learn new tricks. If the metrics show he was at least passable in these categories that's all we need to know. We don't need something concrete telling us he's better than anyone, but there is evidence that the "common knowledge" on him might be inaccurate. And there is hope that with some good coaching he might develop in these areas. But we're talking about a running back here and we can nit pick his pass blocking and pass catching all day long, but first and foremost the guy is an excellent runner. Doug Martin does not appear to be. If Blount gets half the carries and more yards than Martin in one or two games, it's going to be difficult even for a stubborn putz like Shiano to keep Blount out of the game. Even more so if Blount shows he improved in secondary aspects such as blocking and catching. Shiano might not have to bull rush the victory formation anymore if he starts using a capable running back...
How do you factor in the OLine play if at all?
 
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
He catches a ton of flak for his pass blocking and receiving ability. Last year the team played from behind and abandoned the run early. I don't think he's nearly as bad at either skill as his reputation suggests.Among RB who were pass blocked 25% of passing plays or more, he ranked number 13 out of 66 in pass blocking efficiency by PFF. Earnest Graham was a more successful pass blocker, but he didn't stay back as often to block. Kregg Lumpkin did and he ranked 66 out of 66. Lumpkin was in on 120 more passing plays, and was held back to block 37 more times, but allowed pressure to get to Freeman eight times more often than Blount.

LeGarrette didn't have many targets, but when he did, he caught the ball and made plays. Ray Rice has a slightly better catch rate, but Blount's was better than Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, and Graham. When he has the ball in space he's a load to bring down.

The coaching staff is a lot smarter than I am and they seem to agree with you, or he would get more blocking/receiving options, so what do I know?

I don't know him personally and I wouldn't hire him if he's not punctual, but is he really a complete headcase? He punched someone after a game, that was a dumb move. Here's his arrest record in as much detail as I can find:

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Yes, I am a disappointed owner, but I don't expect much from him this year. His trade value won't get much lower, he does have upside and there's nothing more enticing in free agency.
Blount has 21 career receptions, and in the year he rushed for 1,000 yards he had a whole 14 receiving yards. If that doesn't tell you enough, the games should. Blount, like Cadillac Williams before him up until coming back from his 2nd patella tear, is an awful receiver and blocker. Football metrics can fall anywhere between an inexact science to downright silly. There are 1,000 variables that go into games that metrics don't account for. Like his catch rate being higher than Arian Foster's. Not only does that make your argument for his metrics a lot less credible (citing a stat being better than a RB who is world's better as a receiver), but Foster also has a ton more targets and is a big presence in the screen game (a play which has a tendency to get blown up for an incompletion). Not to mention comparing him to Graham, who was only in the games in the first place largely because he was so well-rounded, versus Blount who is often taken off the field for lack of skill in pass pro/receiving.
:rolleyes: Haters gonna hate.People act like Blount has tried and failed, but the reality is that he's played in the NFL for 2 years under a coaching staff that amounted to little more than a bad joke. Morris & Co. did not attempt to coach him up in those areas. He is not too old to learn new tricks. If the metrics show he was at least passable in these categories that's all we need to know. We don't need something concrete telling us he's better than anyone, but there is evidence that the "common knowledge" on him might be inaccurate. And there is hope that with some good coaching he might develop in these areas. But we're talking about a running back here and we can nit pick his pass blocking and pass catching all day long, but first and foremost the guy is an excellent runner. Doug Martin does not appear to be. If Blount gets half the carries and more yards than Martin in one or two games, it's going to be difficult even for a stubborn putz like Shiano to keep Blount out of the game. Even more so if Blount shows he improved in secondary aspects such as blocking and catching.

Shiano might not have to bull rush the victory formation anymore if he starts using a capable running back...
I think it's funny that you just blindly label me a "hater". I don't own Martin or Blount in my league, I'm a simply a Buccaneers fan. I'm also a fan that was trying like hell to temper Martin over-hype in the pre-season. You, on the other hand, if we're going to label people, are a typical insulting fantasy fan. You already say you own Blount, and are looking to add him in more leagues. And in typical fantasy fashion, you know a couple of stats from the guy maybe and you have already taken a few opositive postings about the guy and ran with them. Which is what fantasy guys do. But don't you, for one damn second, act like you know more than I do about my team. I've been following this team near-religiously since the early 90's, you on the other hand check up on their games from time to time. It's impossible to know about every team, or every team that you have players on. But constantly people act like they do, and it's hilarious.

But come on, amuse me FF. Tell me about why metrics are credible, especially given Blount's sample size. Tell me what about Blount's game makes you think he's better than his reputation, or why it's inaccurate . Tell me about what the PR guys were saying about Kareem Huggins or Cory Boyd. You note that Blount isn't too old to learn a new trick, did you miss my comments on Williams?

And Schiano is a putz, and Martin does not appear to be an excellent runner. Gosh, you must be a hater. :rolleyes:

Go try and sell your knowledge of the players somewhere else, because you're not gonna get me to buy it, ya troll.

 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...
Except what WAS reported was when Blount got hurt, and during a post game interview, Schiano said that the injury was not bad at all and that he had no idea why Blount didn't want to put himself back in the game.Sounds like same ol' Blount to me.
Two things. I hadn't heard this. Second. If that were true , I doubt the coach would be willing to give him more playing time unless he found out the injury was worse than when he said that or that Martin is that bad that he has to disregard Blount not going back in. Either way , makes it a moot point.

The coach has said that Blount needs more carries. That could be Martin motivation or it could be more.

 
Saw that he got a few carries. High likelihood that a rookie not used to the workload will wear down over the course of the year. Trying to get ahead of potential startable RB's based on potential circumstances - where is Blount in that conversation?
holding for the same reason
he will get a few carries, but not enough to warrant putting on your roster.If you are a Blount owner, you need to hope that Martin gets hurt. That's all there is to it. The more likely option is that a team out there loses it's star RB and trades for Blount as a fill-in.
This move to start Martin wasnt so much about production (although Blount did have a weak season last year) It was about benching someone who is an idiot.apparently he's not the best to work with, weak in pass protection hasnt shown a huge willingness to round out that part of his game, and apparently missed curfew with Mike williams a couple times last year cuz they were out on the town boozing it up.

I suspect this is more about sending a message than it is about production.

Pass protection is a part of it too, but I suspect it's more about getting rid of the bad dressing room presence.
This needs to stop. That fluff piece before the season talked about his bad behavior and needing a driver, etc, but none of that has been reported this year. This coaching staff doesn't care what he did last year. They care what he can do this year. his running style seems more fitting of Schiano's personality, but he does need to round out his game. He can run real hard, real straight, but there is more to being a RB than that. He's a definite hold, but without an injury or a benching, it could be a dead spot on the roster for many weeks...
well, it sure looks like they sent him a message when they drafted another RB in the first round and give away his starting job.clearly they were not happy with something that happened last year and have not played him much this year at all. Dont get me wrong, I love the way this guy runs. he doesnt run around people he runs through them, and doesn't care if he takes their head off in the process.

either way, we can only hope that the kid buckles down and learns what the coach wants him to learn (the art of pass blocking)

For now, he has not starting job, and may or may not have value as the season wears on.
Other than the fact that he's a complete headcase, he can't pass block or receive out of the backfield, that's good reason to stray from using him. Now, if it comes down to having a well-rounded RB who's under-performing vs. a one dimensional RB who runs hard and picks up extra yardage, I'm still thinking TB will stick with the former for as long as they can. My biggest problem in the end though, is that Blount NEEDS to touch the ball 20 times a game to have any real value. His lack of receiving skills caps his upside if he's a apart of a RBBC. He's worth the stash, but he'll need a Martin injury to occur to be anything more than a flex play given the right match-up.
The funny thing about all this is Blount is a really big guy. You would think he would have the advantage in blocking, but that's clearly not the case here.I know size isnt everything, but it helps when blocking someone.

This guy is frustrating in the sense that if he had his head screwed on straight and if he really put in the effort to work on his pass blocking, he could be a really good, 3 down player.

I really hope this guy gets his act together. We need more good power runners in the NFL who actually play.

 

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