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JMJ
Footballguy
THAT is incorrect. Performing a perfect form tackle, you are taught to keep your head (facemask) up and drive into the ball carrier. Putting your head down leads to a potential broken neck for the defender while having your facemask up cuts the chances of injury ten fold. Hitting with the facemask is allowed. That is called a collision, not a spear.
switz
Footballguy
That's true... and maybe that's part of the problem. Some of these defenders (a la Roy Williams) aren't really that great, except they hit hard, and therefore get publicity.
They don't do the Jacked Up segment anymore do they? I hadn't seen it, but I tune out a lot during halftime of MNF. I figured it got dumped because 1) it's was incredibly ######ed and 2) the NFL was worried about image when people like Kevin Everett get rung up like he did during plays that would normally get featured in said ridiculous segment.
Chairshot
Footballguy
Dude, the rule is posted earlier in this very thread. I'll quote it for you again:
I don't know how much clearer it can be. It's a spear if you lead with your head.Also, I don't know how you are were taught, but proper tackling technique is to keep you head up, look the player all the way in and lead with your *shoulder* and wrap up the ball carrier with your arms. If you lead with your head in any way, you are putting yourself, as the tackler, at risk of injury. And proper technique certainly isn't to launch yourself into the air to hit another player, which Smith did.
sofakinggood
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
JMJ
Footballguy
OK, I thought you were following along with my other posts and saving me the extra typing. My whole argument is that Boldin was pushed from behind and him being pushed from behind caused him to no longer be in the same place at the time of impact as he was at the time Smith began his launch.
So to take what I'm saying the next step, if Smith left his feet, leading with his shoudler, with his head up as you're taught to do, but Boldin being pushed caused him to no longer be where he was or would have been when Smith left his feet, is it soooooo out of reason to say that maybe Smith had zero intention of smashing head-to-head, facemask-to-facemask? The entire series of events has to be taken into consideration here.
Football happens fast .... REAL FAST! If Boldin wasn't pushed from behind and this went down the same way, I'd agree with you that this is pretty cut and dry. However, since he was, and since the push OBVIOUSLY repositioned Boldin and his momentum, it is not cut and dry that Smith intended to hit him where he did, with the part of his body that he did. THAT is all that I'm saying and I can't see how you can possibly disagree with that.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
IMO, the video posted at Youtube yesterday doesn't do the situation justice. Go to nfl.com and see it there as it was shown on the network. They have multiple angles that appear to show Smith plant and launch himself at Boldin.
Link Unfortunately, you may have to navigate to the individual video from there as they aren't given individual URLs. It's on the second page of videos from yesterday's games.
Link Unfortunately, you may have to navigate to the individual video from there as they aren't given individual URLs. It's on the second page of videos from yesterday's games.
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Wow....watch the video again. He left his feet in a slightly upward trajectory...not out or over.. BUT UPWARD, in the general direction of Boldins HEAD AREA, leading with HIS OWN HELMET. Wheher Boldin was hit from behind is immaterial. The hit from behind made things much, much worse...but the defender would have hit Boldin in the head area with or without the rear contact.
It's the leaving the feet in an UPWARD trajectory that makes both his intent, and the rules violation, excruciatingly clear. He meant to hit Boldin in as violent a way as humanly possible, and he forgot the rules as he did so. While I doubt his intent was to cause harm...he should still be severely fnied and recieve a short suspension.
BustedKnuckles
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That hit was ''old school football''....and the new ,kinder more gentle nfl dont roll like dat no mo`!!!
Funny thing is Smith rang his own bell pretty good...i doubt he was intending to do that...just sayin`
Funny thing is Smith rang his own bell pretty good...i doubt he was intending to do that...just sayin`
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Chris Mortensen just reported that Smith will be fined $50,000 and suspended one game for the hit.
Player safety and helmet-to-helmet hits do not mix.
Player safety and helmet-to-helmet hits do not mix.
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The Redbeard
Footballguy
Good. Well deserved.
Rovers
Footballguy
Jets fan here. The hit was illegal, about that there is no question. One can only guess at intent, and my guess is that it was not intentionally maliciuos. Smith has a rep as a hard hitter, but not as a cheap shot artist. He definitely launched.
Now, if he had a history of illegal hits, I'd say a one game suspension is not enough, but given the facts and the history, even though I believe it wasn't intention to injure, the bottom line is that players have to be suspended and fined for illegal hits, intentional or not. One game sends the message.
Any talk of a one year suspension is pure silliness. If that was the criteria, Rodney Harrison would be out of the NFL. This was no Darryl Stingley hit. From the replay, it appears like niether Rhodes OR Smith could even see each other. Rhodes was following the play, and tried to wrap and strip the ball by getting both of Boldin's arms. That is a play that happens in EVERY NFL game, several times in each game. Any talk of penalties on Rhodes is beyond ludicrous. The unfortunate thing is that the Rhodes hit lowered Boldin's head.... right into Smith's launch. I believe Smith launched at Boldin's chest, not his head. Still, it's a launch, it's spearing, and it's illegal.
This talk of running a good kid like Smith out of the league for a year in plain stupid. What was also stupid was AZ not just taking a knee, ESPECIALLY after the injuries (Smith included). But the Cards went for that late score, with all their starters, and the Jets tried to stop them. A very unfortunate incident, that thankfully did not result in a debiltating paralyzing injury.
Smith should get a game suspension and a fine. That's it. Just saw the Mortenson report... a good ruling by Goodell.
Now, if he had a history of illegal hits, I'd say a one game suspension is not enough, but given the facts and the history, even though I believe it wasn't intention to injure, the bottom line is that players have to be suspended and fined for illegal hits, intentional or not. One game sends the message.
Any talk of a one year suspension is pure silliness. If that was the criteria, Rodney Harrison would be out of the NFL. This was no Darryl Stingley hit. From the replay, it appears like niether Rhodes OR Smith could even see each other. Rhodes was following the play, and tried to wrap and strip the ball by getting both of Boldin's arms. That is a play that happens in EVERY NFL game, several times in each game. Any talk of penalties on Rhodes is beyond ludicrous. The unfortunate thing is that the Rhodes hit lowered Boldin's head.... right into Smith's launch. I believe Smith launched at Boldin's chest, not his head. Still, it's a launch, it's spearing, and it's illegal.
This talk of running a good kid like Smith out of the league for a year in plain stupid. What was also stupid was AZ not just taking a knee, ESPECIALLY after the injuries (Smith included). But the Cards went for that late score, with all their starters, and the Jets tried to stop them. A very unfortunate incident, that thankfully did not result in a debiltating paralyzing injury.
Smith should get a game suspension and a fine. That's it. Just saw the Mortenson report... a good ruling by Goodell.
northern exposure
Footballguy
As previously stated the NFL has ruled:
NFL suspended Jets SS Eric Smith one game and fined him $50,000 for his "flagrant" helmet-to-helmet hit on Anquan Boldin in Week 4. NFL.com
NFL suspended Jets SS Eric Smith one game and fined him $50,000 for his "flagrant" helmet-to-helmet hit on Anquan Boldin in Week 4. NFL.com
JMJ
Footballguy
That is my whole thing. Due to the entire sequence of events, I can't see how Smith can be fined or suspended.And for the guy saying, "He launched upwards regardless of whether or not he meant to hit helmet-to-helmet ..." Of course he launched upwards. He was on the ground, Boldin was in the air, you jump up to hit him. Be real for one minute please.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Watching it frame by frame, I thought the hit from behind gave Boldin added forward momentum but didn't significantly change his trajectory. Looked to me like that second hit was going to be helmet-to-helmet all the way.
vamphyri
Footballguy
two_dollars
Footballguy
As a former college free safety, I can state with experience, that #### happens. Football is not a contact sport. Football is a COLLISION sport. HOWEVER, while he may not have intended helmet to helmet (Eric Smith does not have a history of cheap shots as far as I know), and may have been looking to jar the ball out with a hard hit, he DID lead with the crown of his helmet, putting BOTH of them at risk. That does deserve something, even though the hit from behind made Boldin curl his shoulders over and lower his head. Had Smith hit him in the chest leading like that, it could be Smith himself in the hospital. I don't think it was intentional, but it WAS STUPID, and the NFL made the right call on this.
Chachi
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So the guy who pummelled the KC Chief kick returner did he get a 50,000 fine and a game suspension? All I noticed was thumbs up about the great hit from the guys at NFLN, guess if he paralyzed the returner he'd be getting a huge fine and suspension. That hit was on totally equal footing as the Smith hit. If they're trying to set an example, i'd say they're doing a piss poor job, nailing a guy because of the effect and not the cause is BS.
And before somebody gets the wrong idea, I am saying Smith should get dinged and others doing the same thing should get punished ALSO.
And before somebody gets the wrong idea, I am saying Smith should get dinged and others doing the same thing should get punished ALSO.
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Yitbos69
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brednbuddah
Footballguy
although I feel the hit was clean, this is fair. at the end of the day, it's the helmet-to-helmet hit that can end seasons, careers...
Andy Herron
Footballguy
I'm a former cornerback myself, and those things do indeed happen. It is a collision sport, to be sure. I don't think this play was dirty, and I don't think he was disciplined as such. I think the message is more "play with your heads" as opposed to "play WITH your heads." Meaning, play safer. Smith could have done that with the same amount of impact. He did, in fact, lead with the crown of his helmet. That's a weapon as much as it is a piece of equipment.The fine/suspension handed down by the league is fair.
Some of the over-reactions in this thread are ludicrous.. especially the OP who was pushing for a year long suspension. If this incident warranted a year long suspension we may as well all pack up and go home.
It was an unfortunate incident but absolutely not intentional and not malicious.
Some of the over-reactions in this thread are ludicrous.. especially the OP who was pushing for a year long suspension. If this incident warranted a year long suspension we may as well all pack up and go home.
It was an unfortunate incident but absolutely not intentional and not malicious.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I just watched the replay 5-6 times. It is very hard to tell. My feeling is the guy does not hit Bolding from behind and pushes his head down, Smiths hit would have been in the upper chest area and driving through his arms trying to prevent the catch like he is trained to do.
Unfortunate? Yes, but not a dirty play at all.
Unfortunate? Yes, but not a dirty play at all.
Boldin was never more then 6 inches off the ground...there was ZERO reason for the safety to have to launch upwards, other then an attempt o make a huge highlight reel hit (which he managed to get, but not the kind he was looking for!)The guy isn't known for cheap shots. The suspenson is fair...the fine seems high to me though if he's also missing a game check? Or is that including a game check?Broadway Joe
Footballguy
Not targeting you specifically just using your post.LMAO, are you all trolls or just tools? PS Vick will be out soon so you boys can critique his live animal contests and make equally observant comments about those
No...the hit would have been under the chin instead of in the earhole...that's sooooo much better. Boldin's feet were already on the ground. Without the hit in the back, his head would have been within 6 inches of where it was when hit. IE: He still would have been hit, but nowhere near as viciously.The suspension/fine is for the way the defender gathered his feet under himself and LAUNCHED UPWARDS TOWARD THE HEAD, LEADING WITH HIS HELMET. The hit from the rear (which helped make it look so bad) is immaterial.
Put it this way....had Boldin not been hit from the rear, and taken only a glancing blow to the head... IT WOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL, and still worthy of a fine/suspension. FWIW...I think he would have still been rocked badly.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
On NFL.com now ... 1 game suspension and 50K fine
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