Shlon
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3182557
The only thing Brady was missing was an MVP, now he has it.
The only thing Brady was missing was an MVP, now he has it.
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Brady takes 49 of 50 votes in MVP voting (1 Viewer)
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Baby New Year
Footballguy
Now, THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout!!
Way to go, Brady!!
Eat that, Moss homers!
Way to go, Brady!!
Eat that, Moss homers!
Shlon
Footballguy
"He's our MVP. I think we've known that for quite some time. I think his work ethic day in and day out [is most impressive]. We get to practice against him so I think that makes us better. I think it makes us a better defense. He puts a lot of time into it. It's important to him. Going out there every week and then trying to play his absolute best is a priority for him." - Mike VrabelAnd yet Mike Vrabel was the Patriots MVP.
"He's our MVP. I think we've known that for quite some time. I think his work ethic day in and day out [is most impressive]. We get to practice against him so I think that makes us better. I think it makes us a better defense. He puts a lot of time into it. It's important to him. Going out there every week and then trying to play his absolute best is a priority for him." - Mike VrabelAnd yet Mike Vrabel was the Patriots MVP.
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Baby New Year
Footballguy
Does Leasterbrook get to vote?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
_4_
Footballguy
Baby New Year
Footballguy
It stands for Most Valuable Player, not Most Vicodins Popped.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
No offense to Favre or the Packers, but the guy pretty much crapped the bed in the team's biggest game of the year before getting injured. If he had pulled out that game, I think the voting would have been much closer.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
So much for all those guys pumping Moss as the unquestioned MVP.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Wow, childish behavior knows no bounds.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
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joefootball
Footballguy
John Madden voted for Favre.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
And? I show and give respect for each NFL player regardless of their affiliation with any team. I do not say childish things about people I do not know. TIA
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
azgroover
Footballguy
Yeah, maybe he'll sign with the Colts this offseason and give Peyton a 70 TD season.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Really? You honestly feel that Favre should have won the MVP over Brady this season? I'd love to hear the reasoning behind your selection of Favre as MVP over Brady.
Obama Supporter
Footballguy
War Ensemble said:Limp Ditka said:
wow.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I don't think Brady deserved it....
if it goes to a Patriot, it should have gone to Moss... take away Moss & Welker and Brady does exactly what he did last year and the Pats win 10 games, maybe 11...
However, I really think Favre should have gotten it... Take Favre off the Packers and they win 4 games tops... with him they won 13...
if it goes to a Patriot, it should have gone to Moss... take away Moss & Welker and Brady does exactly what he did last year and the Pats win 10 games, maybe 11...
However, I really think Favre should have gotten it... Take Favre off the Packers and they win 4 games tops... with him they won 13...
twitch
Footballguy
good lord. stick with the coloring books, kid.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
How many games did Moss win last year without Brady? Also, why does Welker have to be removed along with Moss -- were they supposed to share the MVP?edit: While we're at it, ho wmany games did the Pack win last year with Favre? You might have a little better case if he didn't choke it up so bad against Dallas and Chicgo this year.
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
Interesting analysis... Not exactly an apples to apples, but interesting.If Brady can win 10 or 11 with barely rosterable WRs, I guess he really is the MVP. Thanks for proving out the point.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What do you think the Packers record would have been all year without Favre?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Based on statistics Brady deserved MVP and the guy who voted for Favre is a moron. However, Moss is the true MVP on that team and in the entire league......
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Incorrect.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wow compelling argument there....
Baby New Year
Footballguy
That was just a correction, not an argument. I'll leave the internet arguing to you, since we already know who the MVP is.
oops...better go back and edit that other one......
oops...better go back and edit that other one......
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
Real hard to tell. Rodgers looked good in a half of play, but you can't say how that would translate. They're probably a 9 win playoff team if they get, say Rivers quality play out of the replacement. I'd wager that unless you replaced Brady with Manning, thats a 12 W team at best. Still real good, but not undefeated. Put Cassell back there and they are playing today, not waiting till next week.
To me the MVP is hard to call, because there often are guys that are move valuable to their team without having the best stats. But in this case, Brady is the undisputed leader on the team, had statistically one of the greatest years in the history of the NFL, and led his team to an undefeated season. I have a hard time finding any player that would be more valuable to their team than that.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Okie dokie. Just relax man....stop being so defensive. It's ok to be wrong every once in a while.....
I think Moss was the Mvp , but if he didn't get it then Brady defintely.Favre not a chance in hell. Take favre off the packers and they win more than 4 game, because they had one of the best defenses in the league this year.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Get in your time machine and nix that Moss trade and the Pats are golden. Hop back in, put Moss back and kill Brady's mom before he is born -- not so much. Put Welker on the Pats last year and they win the superbowl.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
So maybe neither one deserves to get it since it should be obvious that they need (in terms of getting the MVP, not in terms of Tom/Pats needing Randy to get to playoffs) each other. Take Moss away and yes the PATS are going to be good but Tom Brady isn't going to put up MVP numbers and certainly not 50 TDs. Moss would not put up huge numbers except maybe if he did land in Green Bay since it was clear Favre wanted to toss him the ball. Moss has put up incredible numbers with multiple QBs and even though Brady has put up nice numbers but never spectacular.
Brady best not including this year vs this year
QB rating: 92.6 - 117.2
Comp %: 63.9 - 68.9
Yards: 4110 - 4806
TDs: 28 - 50
TD/INT diff: 14-42
Moss best not including this year vs this year
Rec: 111 - 98
Yards: 1632- 1493
TDs: 17 - 23
In your time machine to take away the Moss trade, what o you think Brady's numbers are? Are those numbers going to beat Favre for the MVP? Looking at past Brady years, no way he gets the MVP putting up his usual so if you think he has much better stats then I guess you are putting a lot into Stallworth and Welker when they have a lot less room to work in since no one is following Moss around.
Take out the Moss to Pats trade and it looked like it was a Moss to Packers trade. Moss with a different HoF QB, on a pass happy offense, and I bet you could have seen Moss with some terrific numbers there. Record breaking, probably not but with Moss on the packers, Favre is MVP right now. There wasn't another WR they would bring in that would have gotten Brady the MVP or the Pats a record breaking season. Would they have been 'golden'? Sure but not perfect and record breaking. I don't think they are even a #1 seed without Moss this year as the Colts would be.
Brady is the MVP with a HUGE assist from Moss, if you believe otherwise then name the WR that replaces Moss that the Pats could have had and could improve Brady's numbers so much over his nice numbers.
delusional
Footballguy
Eh no westbrook votes?
Baby New Year
Footballguy
azgroover
Footballguy
x 100How many more record breaking offenses does Moss have to be the best player on to get some respect from a few around here?
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Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Pats without Moss = Playoff team but no MVP season for BradyMoss without the Pats = possibly a great season with Favre and the Packers but doubtful he gets to 23 TDs.Moss and the Pats = 16-0, records going bye bye, Brady gets MVPYes, the Pats would be a playoff team, still most likely a bye team but the #1 seed would be no sure thing without Moss and Brady does NOT get the MVP this year. Moss wouldn't get his 23 TDs on another team this year. That means they needed each other. Clear enough for you?
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Take away Brady and how many games do the Patriots win?
azgroover
Footballguy
who are you replacing him with?
Bill Lust
Footballguy
His backup, Matt Cassel.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not sure, but Moss was also a part of one of the worst offenses ever ('06 Raiders). Tom Brady has never been part of an NFL offense that was even close to being that pathetic. Brady is significantly more valuable than Moss.
I could not disagree more. The Packers had no running game the first half of the season, and if you think Aaron Rodgers could have carried that team on his back, I have some beach front property in Tulsa that I would love to sell you.
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azgroover
Footballguy
Haven't seen him play enough. I'm out.
Baby New Year
Footballguy
They needed each other for what --- most points in history? That is irrelevant to team success or MVP. I was saying the Pats were golden simply by subtracting Moss and putting him back on Oakland (where he didn't look like an MVP). If Moss gets to go to the Pack, then Brady should get Steve Smith to replace him. How do you think the Pats look after that?Chaaaaampionshiiiiiip.......!!
Bill Lust
Footballguy
It was a rhetorical question, but that's ok.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Oh dear lord. Dude, pace yourself.
