Brady's Performance (1 Viewer)

[Workhorse]

Brady made one COLOSSAL mistake that most people who bash him are calling a "choke".I went back and watched the TIVO of that drive.First and Goal from the 5 -- False start pushes them back to the 10. That was a killer. They can't run the ball, so passing is obvious.The first down play was that obvious WR screen to Givens, that hasn't worked in a while.On the INT play, I watched the line. Tom Ashworth pulled an absolute OLE play on his assignment. The pressure caused Brady to make the mistake throw.Just a bad series all around by the offense. The line, the coaching, Brady. It was a true team effort.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Brady made one COLOSSAL mistake that most people who bash him are calling a "choke".

I went back and watched the TIVO of that drive.

First and Goal from the 5 -- False start pushes them back to the 10. That was a killer. They can't run the ball, so passing is obvious.

The first down play was that obvious WR screen to Givens, that hasn't worked in a while.

On the INT play, I watched the line. Tom Ashworth pulled an absolute OLE play on his assignment. The pressure caused Brady to make the mistake throw.

Just a bad series all around by the offense. The line, the coaching, Brady. It was a true team effort.

Ashworth didnt pull an OLE on his assignment as much as he took the WRONG assignment. Mankins blocked down. Ashworth jumped to the DE outside. His first step was to open up for the outside rush. He had the SAFETY right on his head and he had Watson outside to block the DE. His assignment in a normal allignment is to take the DE but when the SAFETY comes down onto your head, you need to protect that hole. He didnt and the SAFETY got a free run at Brady.

 

[TommyGilmore]

A couple comments from prominent cyber columnists...Dr. Z:

Why is Peyton Manning getting so much heat now while Tom Brady gets none? They're both terrific quarterbacks and very fine people. Each one will have my vote for the Hall of Fame when his name comes up (if I'm still around by then). And each had a bad postseason. But Manning is getting ripped and Brady has received no criticism whatsoever. Why?-------Brady was off, even on some of his little checkdowns. One play was embarrassing

Sports Guy Bill Simmons:

Still, something happened in Denver. When great teams lose their invincibility, it rarely happens because they self-destruct in every possible way. There's usually a finality to it.-------There was no moment like that in the Pats-Broncos game. Looking back, it wasn't just the turnovers as much as the players who screwed up. Did you ever imagine Brady forcing third-and-goal passes like, say, Jake Plummer, or missing wide-open receivers?-------It was downright startling for Pats fans to watch our usually unflappable boys collapse like that, kind of like Springsteen diehards watching the "Dancing in the Dark" video for the first time.

 

[PMENFAN]

The throw was bad, but still Bailey had to make a great play on the ball. Give credit where due. Take that throw away, and Brady still has a very good game. INclude the throw, and he still played well enough, adn put his team in position to win. More problematic than brady was the run game. It wasn't there. Give Brady fair criticism. He missed Brown on the end zone. Drop the second pick, because it was more or less a hail mary to a single receiver against 3 DB's. Should have been PI, because the other two DB's tackle Davis, allowing Lynch to make the pick. It doesn't change the game. The pick was huge, but the team recovered from it, and was right back in it, until the Brown fumble. That was the killer. Bad call from BB, but worse call from Troy Brown to try and field that kick. It's inside the 10, and very possibly a touchback at worst. Dude's been in the league 6 years, and has 3 rings and 2 SB MVP's. Does anybody really believe that a bad game, where he got pressured all day, adn threw only one meaningful pick on 36 passes, while hitting for 340 yards, is going to tarnish his image? He's got about 6-8 more shots, and I'd say he wins at least 2 more SB's.

 

[redman]

This is the dumbest thread ever. A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it". Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games. Did that blow his mystique? Was he suddenly a bad QB? Last I checked this is a team sport, and the Patriots as much as any team in recent memory most certainly win and lose as a team. Brady's excellent at what he does and he had a bad game, along with many others on his team. Go ahead and criticize his performance, but to draw long term conclusions from this one game (and to ignore the previous ten playoff games) is asinine.

 

[nygiants56]

Brady was 10-0 before yesterday in the Playoffs

10-0

gimme a break, the guy lost

He's still one of the best Big game QB's of all time....i'd take him on my team any day of the week

next year, he'll be back just as good as he was this year

he made some bonehead plays last night but so did the rest of his team with the fumbles and whatnot

being 10-0 gives him the right to have a bad game or two.he's earned that right to chalk it up as a Mulligan..

I guess Denver being 11-2 @ home in playoffs had nothing to do with the loss,either?? what about the Jets when they went there , were up 10-0 and then began the turnover frenzy and lost that championship game years ago, back with Parcells & bellichick on the coaching staff..

not the easiest place for a visitor to win a game!!

as for Joe Montana, yeah, I remember Leonard Marshall pummeling him to within an inch of his life in the 1990 NFC Championship Game!!! lol

 

[MarshallRob]

This is the dumbest thread ever.

A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it".

Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games. Did that blow his mystique? Was he suddenly a bad QB?

Well if the question is did Brady's performance affect his mystique, then how can the answer not be yes? He was PERFECT until last week's game. He NEVER played badly in the postseason. He had NEVER lost. As you point out, even Joe Montana, considered by most to be the greatest pressure QB ever, lost some games. Had a three-year playoff losing streak in fact. Now was it realistic to expect Brady would never lose a playoff game? Of course not, but until last week the possibility of that still remained open. Based primarily on Brady's postseason performance to date, I myself was actually starting to wonder if in fact Brady might not wind up as the greatest QB of all time. Now he's not perfect anymore. He made some bad throws, throws we've normally seen him make, and it cost his team the game. I have no reason to believe Brady's "lost it" or that he's still not the best QB in football right now, but absolutely his mystique took a hit. He can never be perfect again. Like an undefeated boxer finally losing a fight. Or how we see the 1972 Dolphins versus the 1973 Dolphins (who might have been the better team).

 

[redman]

This is the dumbest thread ever. 

A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it". 

Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games.  Did that blow his mystique?  Was he suddenly a bad QB? 

Well if the question is did Brady's performance affect his mystique, then how can the answer not be yes? He was PERFECT until last week's game. He NEVER played badly in the postseason. He had NEVER lost. As you point out, even Joe Montana, considered by most to be the greatest pressure QB ever, lost some games. Had a three-year playoff losing streak in fact. Now was it realistic to expect Brady would never lose a playoff game? Of course not, but until last week the possibility of that still remained open. Based primarily on Brady's postseason performance to date, I myself was actually starting to wonder if in fact Brady might not wind up as the greatest QB of all time. Now he's not perfect anymore. He made some bad throws, throws we've normally seen him make, and it cost his team the game. I have no reason to believe Brady's "lost it" or that he's still not the best QB in football right now, but absolutely his mystique took a hit. He can never be perfect again. Like an undefeated boxer finally losing a fight. Or how we see the 1972 Dolphins versus the 1973 Dolphins (who might have been the better team).

What you're doing could be called either 1) setting an artificially high standard and then criticizing when it's not reached (similar to a "strawman" argument that is designed to reach one conclusion), or 2) stating the obvious, i.e. that Brady is not perfect. Sorry if I think a discussion built around such premises is silly but I do.

 

[brednbuddah]

Brady is still the best QB in the NFL. However, like every other QB who has played football, get pressure on him and knock him around a bit and he isn't the same. How is that surprising?

brady is overrated.

 

[MarshallRob]

This is the dumbest thread ever. 

A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it". 

Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games.  Did that blow his mystique?  Was he suddenly a bad QB? 

Well if the question is did Brady's performance affect his mystique, then how can the answer not be yes? He was PERFECT until last week's game. He NEVER played badly in the postseason. He had NEVER lost. As you point out, even Joe Montana, considered by most to be the greatest pressure QB ever, lost some games. Had a three-year playoff losing streak in fact. Now was it realistic to expect Brady would never lose a playoff game? Of course not, but until last week the possibility of that still remained open. Based primarily on Brady's postseason performance to date, I myself was actually starting to wonder if in fact Brady might not wind up as the greatest QB of all time. Now he's not perfect anymore. He made some bad throws, throws we've normally seen him make, and it cost his team the game. I have no reason to believe Brady's "lost it" or that he's still not the best QB in football right now, but absolutely his mystique took a hit. He can never be perfect again. Like an undefeated boxer finally losing a fight. Or how we see the 1972 Dolphins versus the 1973 Dolphins (who might have been the better team).

What you're doing could be called either 1) setting an artificially high standard and then criticizing when it's not reached (similar to a "strawman" argument that is designed to reach one conclusion), or 2) stating the obvious, i.e. that Brady is not perfect. Sorry if I think a discussion built around such premises is silly but I do.

Hey, I agree an artificially high standard was set (I didn't start the thread). I'm just saying someone gets a certain mystique from perfection. 10-1 is just not the same as 10-0 as incredible as 10-1 is. The truly amazing thing that shouldn't be lost is not that Brady had a bad game, it's the fact that him having a bad game could be such a shocker to so many. That's how good he's been.

 

[cstu]

This is the dumbest thread ever.

A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it".

Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games. Did that blow his mystique? Was he suddenly a bad QB?

Well if the question is did Brady's performance affect his mystique, then how can the answer not be yes? He was PERFECT until last week's game. He NEVER played badly in the postseason. He had NEVER lost. As you point out, even Joe Montana, considered by most to be the greatest pressure QB ever, lost some games. Had a three-year playoff losing streak in fact. Now was it realistic to expect Brady would never lose a playoff game? Of course not, but until last week the possibility of that still remained open. Based primarily on Brady's postseason performance to date, I myself was actually starting to wonder if in fact Brady might not wind up as the greatest QB of all time. Now he's not perfect anymore. He made some bad throws, throws we've normally seen him make, and it cost his team the game. I have no reason to believe Brady's "lost it" or that he's still not the best QB in football right now, but absolutely his mystique took a hit. He can never be perfect again. Like an undefeated boxer finally losing a fight. Or how we see the 1972 Dolphins versus the 1973 Dolphins (who might have been the better team).

What you're doing could be called either 1) setting an artificially high standard and then criticizing when it's not reached (similar to a "strawman" argument that is designed to reach one conclusion), or 2) stating the obvious, i.e. that Brady is not perfect. Sorry if I think a discussion built around such premises is silly but I do.

I don't think this discussion was meant to argue whether Brady is a great QB or how knowledgeable fans see him, but how he's perceived by the general public. There's no question that the way he is talked about has to change at least a little bit now that he can't be described as being perfect in the playoffs. That has to take a bite out of Brady's mystique, at least in the casual fan's mind.

 

[redman]

This is the dumbest thread ever. 

A guy starts 10-0 in his playoff career, and then loses the next game on the road in one of the toughest venues in the NFL to a legitimately good team, and we're wondering whether he's "lost it". 

Joe Montana started his playoff career 7-1, winning 2 Super Bowls before losing his next three playoff games.  Did that blow his mystique?  Was he suddenly a bad QB? 

Well if the question is did Brady's performance affect his mystique, then how can the answer not be yes? He was PERFECT until last week's game. He NEVER played badly in the postseason. He had NEVER lost. As you point out, even Joe Montana, considered by most to be the greatest pressure QB ever, lost some games. Had a three-year playoff losing streak in fact. Now was it realistic to expect Brady would never lose a playoff game? Of course not, but until last week the possibility of that still remained open. Based primarily on Brady's postseason performance to date, I myself was actually starting to wonder if in fact Brady might not wind up as the greatest QB of all time. Now he's not perfect anymore. He made some bad throws, throws we've normally seen him make, and it cost his team the game. I have no reason to believe Brady's "lost it" or that he's still not the best QB in football right now, but absolutely his mystique took a hit. He can never be perfect again. Like an undefeated boxer finally losing a fight. Or how we see the 1972 Dolphins versus the 1973 Dolphins (who might have been the better team).

What you're doing could be called either 1) setting an artificially high standard and then criticizing when it's not reached (similar to a "strawman" argument that is designed to reach one conclusion), or 2) stating the obvious, i.e. that Brady is not perfect. Sorry if I think a discussion built around such premises is silly but I do.

Hey, I agree an artificially high standard was set (I didn't start the thread). I'm just saying someone gets a certain mystique from perfection. 10-1 is just not the same as 10-0 as incredible as 10-1 is. The truly amazing thing that shouldn't be lost is not that Brady had a bad game, it's the fact that him having a bad game could be such a shocker to so many. That's how good he's been.

Sorry. I did word my response as if you started the thread. I guess the idea that Brady was "perfect" or even the "best ever" had never crept into my head, so maybe that's why the surprise I'm seeing expressed here is . . . well, surprising.