Brand Lloyd (finally) signs with New England (1 Viewer)

[Casting Couch]

Rotoworld Mar 8

Free agent Brandon Lloyd confirmed he's "very interested" in joining the Patriots and that winning is his "highest priority."

Lloyd reiterated his desire to re-team with Josh McDaniels to take advantage of the coordinator's offensive "creativity." An admirer of Tom Brady and coach Bill Belichick, Lloyd believes any receiver would be "excited" to be considered in New England because of their history of success. CSN New England's Tom Curran believes the "smart money" is on the Pats making a play for Lloyd.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

 

[Donsmith753]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.Edit:

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped after Tom Brady misplaced his throw in the 4th.

 

[cstu]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

Like this?

 

[David Yudkin]

Saying Lloyd is "very interested" is an understatement. I just saw the interview. He was either begging to be signed or something was already in place. He said he was excited about playing for NE but would be even more excited "when it's official."

 

[gianmarco]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.Edit:

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped after Tom Brady misplaced his throw in the 4th.

Actually, Welker makes that catch 100 times out of 100, apparently.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so who deos it hurt he most if Lloyd signs in NE?

Welker?

Ahernandez?

Big Gronk?

 

[Workhorse]

Saying Lloyd is "very interested" is an understatement. I just saw the interview. He was either begging to be signed or something was already in place. He said he was excited about playing for NE but would be even more excited "when it's official."

I would imagine it gets announced pretty quickly next week.Lloyd would be a great addition for the Pats.

 

[the spanker]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

Like this?

Who's the guy ducking under the ball? Was this in a real game?

 

[Donsmith753]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.Edit:

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped after Tom Brady misplaced his throw in the 4th.

Actually, Welker makes that catch 100 times out of 100, apparently.

Forgot about that

 

[inzanitee]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

Like this?

Who's the guy ducking under the ball? Was this in a real game?

That's Lloyd in one of his finest moments. I'd also be curious as to who this would hurt. Having another viable receiving target has to take away from someone; perhaps everyone's numbers dip a little bit with Lloyd in the fold.

 

[E_Smith]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

 

[Punch]

I traded Stafford for Ryan Matthews and Lloyd in one league last year. I've been moist since McD went back to NE, hoping that Lloyd will follow. Dude is top five in the league in terms of pure ball skills and Brady sorely lacked options outside the hashmarks the last couple of years. The thing that kills me as a NE fan is that they could have had him for a 5th rd pk last year. Lloyd could have been the difference in that SB that was basically decided by one play.

 

[Punch]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

Like this?

If I had the time, I could link a dozen catches that Lloyd has made that only a few guys in the league are capable of. Here's one;
How many guys make that catch?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

They will all take a dip, but I think Hernandez is almost certainly to drop the most because he's the least likely to get his. Welker's targets will be the least effected, same with Gronk's red zone looks if I had to bet.

 

[Boston]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

They will all take a dip, but I think Hernandez is almost certainly to drop the most because he's the least likely to get his. Welker's targets will be the least effected, same with Gronk's red zone looks if I had to bet.

Agree about Welker...it doesn't matter who they add he will remain the same...unless the Pats start running the wishbone he's going to get his 100+ catches...

 

[Casting Couch]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

They will all take a dip, but I think Hernandez is almost certainly to drop the most because he's the least likely to get his. Welker's targets will be the least effected, same with Gronk's red zone looks if I had to bet.

From a fantasy standpoint, I think there would be 2 big winners.LLOYD and BRADY

 

[Sabertooth]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

I think so.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

so who deos it hurt he most if Lloyd signs in NE?Welker?Ahernandez?Big Gronk?

Branch.

 

[Boston]

so who deos it hurt he most if Lloyd signs in NE?Welker?Ahernandez?Big Gronk?

Branch.

Branch will go from being somewhat fantasy relevant to being a non-factor (he'll still be effective in "real football")...the winner in this fantasy-wise would be Brady...this would greatly expand what the O can do...as for Gronk and Hernandez there's two ways to look at this...one (negative), LLoyd is another mouth to feed and his numbers have to come from somewhere...two (positive), if the Pats have a legit outside threat it will open-up the middle and give these two more room to operate...since I don't ever see teams not zeroing in on Gronk Hernandez could actually have more room to do his thing...all that being said it's the Pats so who the hell knows...

 

[David Yudkin]

Branch is a free agent. There's no guarantee he will be back. If he comes back, he will have to play for peanuts.

 

[E_Smith]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

I think so.

I doubt it.

 

[inzanitee]

Lloyd could once again be the top fantasy wideout if he goes to New England. PPPLLLLLEEEAAASE Happen.

You think so? I don't know about that with all the other weapons. In Denver they were pass happy and Lloyd was the only good weapon (they had Gaffney but he's no welker/Gronk/Hernandez). I don't think we'll know whose value is impacted the most until they start playing games.

I think so.

I doubt it.

Unless Brady throws for 6,000 yds or Gronk/Hernandez's numbers drop severely, there's no way Lloyd could be the top fantasy wideout in NE IMO.

 

[Boston]

Branch is a free agent. There's no guarantee he will be back. If he comes back, he will have to play for peanuts.

I really hope they bring him back...he's still productive, knows the system and Brady trusts him...he's no longer a #2 but he can still be very effective in this offense...he's made his money (a lot more than he should have) so hopefully he'll come back at a low number (I really don't see anyone else offering him too much anyways)...

 

[duaneok66]

Lloyd going to the Pats is best for both parties involved. I'm betting they sign him on 12:01 AM march 13

 

[Punch]

Lloyd going to the Pats is best for both parties involved. I'm betting they sign him on 12:01 AM march 13

He's been going to the Pats since the day that McD went there IMO...perfect fit.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

 

[Sabertooth]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

If he could simply duplicate 80% of what they did together in Denver, he'd have been WR11 last season.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

 

[Sabertooth]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming. Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving. To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

For the most part, I wasnt even questioning his skill, Im questioning his opportunity/targets in NE. The best chance he has to get his share in that offense is as a deep threat, and while I would agree overall he is a very good WR, I dont see that as one of his strengths. He will get his downfield, but I have a hard time seeing him get over 900/7 on that team because of the competition from Welker, the Gronk, and Hernandez. He was the #1 WR in 2010 not only because of skill, but because they literally had no one else (healthy at least since Demaryius was out effectively all yr).

 

[Boston]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

For the most part, I wasnt even questioning his skill, Im questioning his opportunity/targets in NE. The best chance he has to get his share in that offense is as a deep threat, and while I would agree overall he is a very good WR, I dont see that as one of his strengths. He will get his downfield, but I have a hard time seeing him get over 900/7 on that team because of the competition from Welker, the Gronk, and Hernandez. He was the #1 WR in 2010 not only because of skill, but because they literally had no one else (healthy at least since Demaryius was out effectively all yr).

Not sure what his numbers would be because with BB anything is possible (think how low Ocho was and how high Moss was and no one probably saw either coming) but overall I agree that this is a better "real" football move than a fantasy one...

 

[Dragon1952]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming. Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving. To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

Could it be that Gronk is target 1A out of necessity? Seriously, who does Brady have past Welker.

 

[Boston]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming. Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving. To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

Could it be that Gronk is target 1A out of necessity? Seriously, who does Brady have past Welker.

The guy just had the greatest year ever for a TE...that's not done merely out of neceissity...if you add in another threat like Lloyd Gronk could have even more room to operate...

 

[Balco]

so who deos it hurt he most if Lloyd signs in NE?Welker?Ahernandez?Big Gronk?

Lloyd.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming. Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving. To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

I don't think its terrible but I think he would have been better in STL if McDaniels stayed there. Bradford seems to like to lock in on one guy as he did with Clayton briefly, Amendola and then Lloyd. If they improved their line and could protect Bradford then I would have liked Lloyd better than him having to compete with all of Brady's favorite targets.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I know the Patriots have a completely different makeup than they did in 2007, but even just the potential of McDaniels turning Lloyd'12 into Moss'07 will have me grabbing him in as many leagues as possible. It'll be interesting to see what his ADP ends up being in redrafts...

I dont see Lloyd replicating those Moss numbers, and I dont see how Lloyd is a *perfect* fit for NE. I think he would fit fine with NE, but the biggest reason besides McD is that he works there is because he'd be a huge upgrade for WR2 for them. Not that he's slow, but he's not a huge deep threat. He will certainly spread the field more and get the most attention downfield, but he's not quite the deep threat guys like Mega, DJax, Wallace, Nicks, Green, VJax.That said, I will be all over him come draft time because I dont see how he becomes any higher than a 5th or likely 6th round pick.

I think you seriously underestimate Lloyd's skill level. He was the number one wideout in fantasy football year before last. He averaged 18.8 yards per catch. Plus he's simply better than one trick ponies like Djax at every other thing a pass receiver needs to do ...routes, catching, toughness, you name it. Except for running fast. Djax is quite a bit faster at running deep.

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming. Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving. To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

I don't think its terrible but I think he would have been better in STL if McDaniels stayed there. Bradford seems to like to lock in on one guy as he did with Clayton briefly, Amendola and then Lloyd. If they improved their line and could protect Bradford then I would have liked Lloyd better than him having to compete with all of Brady's favorite targets.

Yeah, if you prorated his 11 games with STL (not sure how many of those Bradford even started) to a full season, it would be 74/994/7.3 which would only have been 3 less catches than the 77 in 2010, and in each category he wouldve posted his 2nd highest number (to only 2010). Despite being with a much better QB if he goes to NE, I think he'd have much fewer catches and those yards and TDs would be the ceiling.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I honestly haven't paid much attention to Lloyd - he's been owned by the same guy in both leagues I'm in the last few years. Is he fast? I assume he is a good route runner.

ETA - just read an article about "air yards" and see that Lloyd was slightly above Wallace, Jackson, Knox, etc. I know his combine 40 time was weak (4.63) but maybe he is a guy that has gotten better over time. NE needs a guy to stretch the field. Maybe he is that guy.

 

[gandalas]

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming.

Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving.

To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

Since nobody else is going to call you out on this, your recollection is extremely poor. 1000 yards by 3 receivers has happened 5 times. The Colts were not even the most recent...My link

 

[Sabertooth]

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming.

Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving.

To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

Since nobody else is going to call you out on this, your recollection is extremely poor. 1000 yards by 3 receivers has happened 5 times. The Colts were not even the most recent...My link

if Rypien and Jeff George can do it, I think Brady in today's NFL can do it.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think you severely overestimate the number of passes Tom Brady can throw on the same play. There is little to no chance Lloyd is going to be one of the two most targeted players in NE. Welker and Gronkowski will both be options 1 and 1A. Now you add in another talent like Hernandez to go along with Lloyd as options 3 and 3A. I just have an extremely hard time envisioning Lloyd as anything other than a fantasy WR3 in that offense. Dreaming of Moss likely numbers is just that. Dreaming.

Do you know how many times one team has had three 1000 yard receivers? To the best of my knowledge, it's happened once in the history of the league. Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokley. It was 2004, and Manning threw for almost 4600 yards and 49TDs. Nobody else on that team eclipsed 500 yards receiving.

To be honest, fantasy wise, I think NE is a terrible landing spot for Lloyd.

Since nobody else is going to call you out on this, your recollection is extremely poor. 1000 yards by 3 receivers has happened 5 times. The Colts were not even the most recent...My link

Thanks for the link. I stand corrected.However, that doesn't make the picture for Lloyd any rosier going forward if he ends up in NE. The fourth leading receiver on each of those teams had less than 500 yards. Does anyone really think Lloyd is going to come in and make Hernandez a guy that totals less than 500 yards? Honestly, I think Hernandez has a better chance of making that happen to Lloyd than vice versa.

Also look at the 3rd guy in each of those situations.

Breaston: 1006/3

Emmanuel: 1039/5

Stokley: 1077/10

Sanders: 1138/4

Joiner: 1132/4

Most of those guys would finish between WR18-30 on a typical year. (outside of Stokley) Not bad, but not exactly leading your team to a title either.

I'll stand by my assertion that Lloyd will be no better than a WR3 or WR4 if he goes to NE. He just won't get enough targets to do much better.

 

[duaneok66]

what about today's report that says that Lloyd is not the best teammate to have?? That he may be bipolar?? Are they going to accept that in NE??

 

[Gandalf]

what about today's report that says that Lloyd is not the best teammate to have?? That he may be bipolar?? Are they going to accept that in NE??

Bipolar ranges widely in terms of symptoms from mild to severe. There are also different types and it can be controlled with medications. I'm guessing that since Lloyd is highly functional that this is not a huge issue. The not a good teammate issue is a bigger deal and might speak more to personality vulnerabilities.

 

[Boston]

what about today's report that says that Lloyd is not the best teammate to have?? That he may be bipolar?? Are they going to accept that in NE??

Since McDaniels has coached him in two places I would think they have a good handle of what he's about and whether he's a good fit for them...

 

[Kenny Powers]

what about today's report that says that Lloyd is not the best teammate to have?? That he may be bipolar?? Are they going to accept that in NE??

Bipolar ranges widely in terms of symptoms from mild to severe. There are also different types and it can be controlled with medications. I'm guessing that since Lloyd is highly functional that this is not a huge issue. The not a good teammate issue is a bigger deal and might speak more to personality vulnerabilities.

Manic depression is a frustrating mess

 

[Ned]

what about today's report that says that Lloyd is not the best teammate to have?? That he may be bipolar?? Are they going to accept that in NE??

Since McDaniels has coached him in two places I would think they have a good handle of what he's about and whether he's a good fit for them...

People also questioned what they were doing with Dillon and Moss too.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped in the 4th.Edit:

90% of the time Welker would have made that catch Welker dropped after Tom Brady misplaced his throw in the 4th.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

so who deos it hurt he most if Lloyd signs in NE?Welker?Ahernandez?Big Gronk?

I don't think the TE's get hurt as much by Lloyd as they will have already been hurt by the new OC..