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Brand Spanking new ***OFFICIAL*** Ohio State Buckeyes thread! (3 Viewers)
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
While I think there is a greater than 90% chance Urban has coached his last game at Ohio State, it's this point above that makes me wonder if Urban is actually the victim of Courtney blowing the situation out of proportion. For Urban to have orchestrated a cover up, her parents would have had to have been a part of it. Reading through some of the stuff she's claimed, she's accused Zach of planting listening devices in her home and tracking devices in her car. If that's true, then just show us all the devices she found. If she can't show us them, then she's pretty much revealed that she's
and 
. Which would explain her parents lack of help better than them being in on an Urban cover up.That said, even if Urban comes through this and keeps his job, in the court of public opinion, he and the school are already guilty, and that won't change.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I realize that you're still in the Denial and/or Anger phase of Grief, so I'm going to go easy on you.
But if Courtney Smith's parents refused to help her, then they are bad parents. Period. It doesn't justify what Urban Meyer did.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
For a little more perspective, there are a ton claims that she's crazy going on in the buckeye world right now. But it's all just hearsay. My claim that she might be crazy is not based on what others are saying, but based on what she said. Not only could she prove me wrong by simply showing the listening and tracking devices she said he used on her, but doing so would certainly solidify her claims of how crazy Zack is, which was her entire point of claiming he used those devices on her. But if she can't show proof of the devices, then she just gave validity to all the hearsay crazy claims, such as these:Politician Spock said:While I think there is a greater than 90% chance Urban has coached his last game at Ohio State, it's this point above that makes me wonder if Urban is actually the victim of Courtney blowing the situation out of proportion. For Urban to have orchestrated a cover up, her parents would have had to have been a part of it. Reading through some of the stuff she's claimed, she's accused Zach of planting listening devices in her home and tracking devices in her car. If that's true, then just show us all the devices she found. If she can't show us them, then she's pretty much revealed that she's
That said, even if Urban comes through this and keeps his job, in the court of public opinion, he and the school are already guilty, and that won't change.
Given all these crazy claims against her, it would be in her best interest to show proof of the devices she claims Zach used on her. Without such, I'm leaning towards "she's crazy".
bucksoh
Footballguy
bucksoh
Footballguy
So what it's between the victim and the husband if Urban knew about and chose not to intervene that's life, and his choice. There was a domestic violence thread where most of the people turned a blind eye to it. It's their choice I personally have always stepped in. but I would never fault someone for staying out of it. I work with a CNP who has a Dr. for a husband, who always abuses her, I said I would beat the crap out of him if she needed me to, and she didn't want my help. Also there was no disciplinary action from either of the hospitals towards the two of them and no charges were filed.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
That’s a weak take in my opinion.
If he knew, which it appears he did, especially with his role he should have intervened and reported (which he probably did). Then why lie about it?
Galileo
Footballguy
Maybe he was hoping that he could just dismiss it and it would go away and the topics would turn to football? But it doesn't make much sense if he actually knew about it and followed proper protocols as his statement claims.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Why? Where is the thread condemning Bill Belichick and Nick Saban lying to the press every time they take a breath? It’s what coaches do. (Yes, obviously this has more gravity than most of Saban and Belichick’s lies)
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Also, given the way Brett McMurphy is acting on Twitter, there is almost a case to be made that his lying to the press was justified.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
@Politician Spock, thanks for sharing that info. I’d course, now I don’t know what to make of all this. But if she’s a bit off her rocker, I don’t know why Urb didn’t say “I knew there were issues in their family, but there are two sides to this story.”
Politician Spock
Footballguy
His statement today pretty much does say that there are two sides to this story. Also, the statement from Zach Smith's lawyer also says that. From: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-football-Zach-Smiths-attorney-issues-statement-on-new-accusations--120284740/
I'd like to know what was going through Urban's mind when he answered the reporter's question about the abuse in 2015. Like everyone else, I can only speculate.
And my speculation is that was the year that Zach and Courtney split up, and a lot of incidents probably occurred that year between those two, including things Urban knew about back then, things Urban may have just learned about last week, and things Urban probably has never even heard about. No one knows everything that goes down between two people in a marriage that is splitting up. So it's possible that when Urban was asked the question about 2015 by the reporter, the most recent incident that Urban just learned about last week was the first thing that popped into his head, and that was the incident Urban was answering about, and not the incident the reporter was asking about that Urban did in fact report. For all we know, Urban was thinking about an incident that the public and media doesn't even know about. Perhaps she made up a ridiculous accusation about Zach back in 2015 and Urban just learned about it, and that's why he said "who makes up a story like that". His statement today sounds like he has an explanation for that interview, but is waiting to share it.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Based on Zach Smith's interview with ESPN today and Urban's statement today, this is what apparently happened in Oct 2015.
Courtney filed a report with the Powell Ohio police claiming she was a victim of domestic violence by Zach.
Zach was out of town, so the Powell police contacted OSU to find him.
Gene Smith contacted Zach and told him to fly home as soon as possible.
Gene is the one who informed Zach of the allegations against him.
Zach was then asked by Urban what was going on, so someone at OSU (probably Gene) told Urban about it.
Zach told Urban, Gene and the school that the allegations are false.
Urban, Gene and OSU let the police do the investigation.
After the investigation the Delaware County prosecutors office ruled there was insufficient evidence to file charges.
If the above turns out to be factual, what should Urban, Gene, and the school have done differently?
Courtney filed a report with the Powell Ohio police claiming she was a victim of domestic violence by Zach.
Zach was out of town, so the Powell police contacted OSU to find him.
Gene Smith contacted Zach and told him to fly home as soon as possible.
Gene is the one who informed Zach of the allegations against him.
Zach was then asked by Urban what was going on, so someone at OSU (probably Gene) told Urban about it.
Zach told Urban, Gene and the school that the allegations are false.
Urban, Gene and OSU let the police do the investigation.
After the investigation the Delaware County prosecutors office ruled there was insufficient evidence to file charges.
If the above turns out to be factual, what should Urban, Gene, and the school have done differently?
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yellowdog
Footballguy
I have to think if this is how it happened, Urban probably should've/would've told the truth at Big Ten Media Day.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, this.....not even a year ago Urban said if a coach or player told a lie they were done. So.......yeah.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I think this might be the reasoning behind Urban's reply that he had no knowledge of 2015.
Zach Smith has been charged with a crime twice in his life. The first time was in 2009, and it included an arrest. The second time was in 2018, but did not include an arrest.
The 2009 charges were dropped, so he was never convicted of the crime. The 2018 charges just occurred, so the charges are still pending. As of right now he's never been convicted of crime. But he was fired when Urban learned about the 2018 charges against him.
Zach Smith was never charged with any crime in 2015. But after Zach was fired, McMurphy published a story about Zach's domestic violence in 2009 and 2015, When Urban got wind of the article with claims about 2015, he asked his staff to look into it, and of course they found no charges were ever filed against Zach in 2015. Urban would of course wonder why someone would make up a story like that.
What happened in 2015 is Courtney filed a police report claiming she was a victim of domestic violence. Because Zach was out of town on a recruiting trip, the Powell police contacted OSU to find him. OSU AD Gene Smith contacted Zach, told him to fly home immediately, and told him about the police report Courtney filed. Urban then asked Zach what was going on, and Zach told Urban and Gene that her allegations are false. Meanwhile, Courtney is texting the other coaches wives and getting the supportive texts that she gave to McMurphy. Gene and Urban let the police do their investigation. After the investigation, the Delaware County Prosecutors office concluded there was insufficient evidence to charge him with anything. He was never charged with a crime in 2015. Gene, Urban and the coaches wives had no reason to disagree with the government's conclusion. In their minds, there was no domestic violence in 2015, and it was just a domestic dispute.
McMurphy however seems convinced that Zach committed domestic violence in 2015, and Urban and the university failed to do anything about it. That's the disconnect that has caused this entire circus. Courtney's 2015 complaint was actually handled properly, but McMurphy has completely ignored what the proper handling of her claims against Zach concluded so that he could have a great story.
Zach Smith has been charged with a crime twice in his life. The first time was in 2009, and it included an arrest. The second time was in 2018, but did not include an arrest.
The 2009 charges were dropped, so he was never convicted of the crime. The 2018 charges just occurred, so the charges are still pending. As of right now he's never been convicted of crime. But he was fired when Urban learned about the 2018 charges against him.
Zach Smith was never charged with any crime in 2015. But after Zach was fired, McMurphy published a story about Zach's domestic violence in 2009 and 2015, When Urban got wind of the article with claims about 2015, he asked his staff to look into it, and of course they found no charges were ever filed against Zach in 2015. Urban would of course wonder why someone would make up a story like that.
What happened in 2015 is Courtney filed a police report claiming she was a victim of domestic violence. Because Zach was out of town on a recruiting trip, the Powell police contacted OSU to find him. OSU AD Gene Smith contacted Zach, told him to fly home immediately, and told him about the police report Courtney filed. Urban then asked Zach what was going on, and Zach told Urban and Gene that her allegations are false. Meanwhile, Courtney is texting the other coaches wives and getting the supportive texts that she gave to McMurphy. Gene and Urban let the police do their investigation. After the investigation, the Delaware County Prosecutors office concluded there was insufficient evidence to charge him with anything. He was never charged with a crime in 2015. Gene, Urban and the coaches wives had no reason to disagree with the government's conclusion. In their minds, there was no domestic violence in 2015, and it was just a domestic dispute.
McMurphy however seems convinced that Zach committed domestic violence in 2015, and Urban and the university failed to do anything about it. That's the disconnect that has caused this entire circus. Courtney's 2015 complaint was actually handled properly, but McMurphy has completely ignored what the proper handling of her claims against Zach concluded so that he could have a great story.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Apparently McMurphy's original story published to Facebook claimed Zach had been arrested in 2015. He published that story the day before B1G Media Day, which would have made that night the "last night" that Urban said he'd heard about a story and asked his staff to look into it. When readers of McMurphy's story checked his facts, they found no arrest for Zach in 2015, so anyone that Urban would have had check would have found nothing as well. Hence Urban's response of:
Regardless of whether or not Powell police did or did not change it, Urban was being completely honest when he said he had people who checked into it and found nothing. Why they found nothing, when McMurphy found something is it's own story that has nothing to do with Urban's comment at all.
Urban was being completely honest.
Urban is staying at Ohio State.
McMurphy then edited his story on Facebook, and also claimed that when he looked at the Oct 2015 police report that Courtney filed, it had a checkbox checked for "arrest". But now when he looks at it the checkbox is no longer checked, and accused the Powell police of editing it after his story was published.
Regardless of whether or not Powell police did or did not change it, Urban was being completely honest when he said he had people who checked into it and found nothing. Why they found nothing, when McMurphy found something is it's own story that has nothing to do with Urban's comment at all.
Urban was being completely honest.
Urban is staying at Ohio State.
xulf
Footballguy
I just posted this in the NCAAF thread where I am sure I will get killed..but I still dont get it:
Why was domestic abuse not brought up during their divorce (maybe it was but I dont know). I would have to imagine that any mother would fight tooth and nail not to have their children with a man who beat their wife and turned to violence. How did he end up with joint custody or whatever he has? Why in the world is this just coming out versus when the decision of the safety of their children was involved?
I can't even fathom to be in the shoes of a victim and I know there are some odd things that happen to their rationales, but how do you let your kids be alone with a monster?
Why was domestic abuse not brought up during their divorce (maybe it was but I dont know). I would have to imagine that any mother would fight tooth and nail not to have their children with a man who beat their wife and turned to violence. How did he end up with joint custody or whatever he has? Why in the world is this just coming out versus when the decision of the safety of their children was involved?
I can't even fathom to be in the shoes of a victim and I know there are some odd things that happen to their rationales, but how do you let your kids be alone with a monster?
xulf
Footballguy
If he edited his story and didnt note it, that's pathetic. Why wouldn't he also have that file saved? Seems like he has all other items readily on hand but not the most damning evidence?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
He admits he edited his story, and claims the Powell police edited the police report to cover it up.
NotSmart
Footballguy
I appreciate your updates and synopsis of what now looks to be a more complicated situation than originally presented.
I'm a lifelong Buckeyes fan, but seeing the right thing done completely trumps any feelings of fandom.
That said, there's clearly more to be brought out and understood about this situation.
I just hope ultimately the preponderance of evidence ends up clearly on one side or the other and it isn't some muddled mess that is difficult to reach an informed and confident opinion on.
xulf
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
To be fair to McMurphy, journalists sometimes publish factually incorrect information through no fault of their own, and that is likely to have happened here, as the Powell police have admitted they changed the record to reflect what actually happened. So if the record McMurphy used to make his story said he was arrested, McMurphy was reporting the facts as presented to him.
The first problem McMurphy faces is he didn't follow any standard of journalistic integrity to fix errors in his reporting. It's certainly acceptable, if not expected, to fix errors when they are found to have occurred. But to fix the errors with journalistic integrity requires doing it in such a way that acknowledges the error in the report had occurred. For example, editing the article to say "originally this story reported that.... but it's since been found that....". McMurphy didn't do that at all.
Urban's response on B1G Media Day was the day after McMurphy's original story posted, which claimed that Zach had been arrested in both 2009 and 2015. When asked about the incidents (the arrests), Urban gave a detaiiled answer about how he responded in 2009 to the arrest, but to explain his response to the 2015 arrest, he said he just heard something about that the night before, asked his people to look into it, and there was nothing, and who creates a story like that?
Well, to answer Urban's question, McMurphy did create a story like that. And once McMurphy realized the facts in his story were wrong (to no fault of his own), he began editing his post on Facebook. He edited it numerous times over the next week, and any Facebook user can see every edited version and the date it was posted by clicking the three dots in the upper right hand corner of the post, selecting more options, and view edit history. Unfortunately 99.99999% of users never do that, and Facebook shows the user no indication that they are reading an edited post. So now, anyone who has seen Urban's response, and then sees McMurphy's post that he responded to, it looks like Urban didn't know about the 2015 investigation, when in reality Urban was responding to the story's claim that Zach had been arrested in 2015.
The second problem McMurphy faces is that he doubled down on the confusion he created. A week after Urbans response, and after he edited his post, he published a new post that was an exclusive interview with Courtney Smith with the premise that Urban had to have known about the investigation (premise: see his story that now says Zach was investigated in 2015 and Urbans response saying he knew nothing about it), so that means he must have lied at B1G Media Day and was covering up Courtney's abuse to keep Zach as a coach.
As soon as OSU got wind of Urban potentially covering up domestic violence, he was put on leave and here we are with this circus. When all it comes down to is McMurphy posted a story with outlandish claims, Urban responding that he didn't know about them (the outlandish claims), McMurphy editing his story so that it was factually correct, and then running with a new story on the premise that Urban's response was to the factually correct edited version of his story.
So yes, to be fair to McMurphy, it's not his fault that Powell originally had the 2015 report as an arrest, but everything that has gone on since then is because Brett McMurphy is a a ####### #######!!!!
Galileo
Footballguy
NotSmart
Footballguy
Again, I appreciate your updates and info.
A couple questions I have right now:
- Why did Urban apologize for his 7/24/18 answer regarding the 2015 incident if events are as described above?
- Why did the police report change from Arrested to Not Arrested?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Because he said "it was nothing"
He apologized for his words not being clear, compassionate, and completely accurate.
The word "it" is a about as vague as you can get. What is "it" referring to? He need to be more clear, and not use words like "it", "he", 'she", "them", "those", etc, etc.... He needed to be specific as to what he was referring to.
The word "nothing" is both un-compassionate and inaccurate. A claim the night before that Zach had been arrested did end up being nothing from the fact that it never happened (McMurphy had to edit his article because it wasn't true), but that was not the context to be calling anything regarding Zach and Courtney "nothing". First, it's not compassionate towards Courtney (and Zach) who were obviously going through something given that they were separated and headed for divorce. And it's not accurate given that despite an arrest not happening then, something did happen. He needed to explain that the claim made in the story the day before that Zach had been arrested was inaccurate (not nothing), and then maybe share some more details without violating Courtney and Zach's right to privacy (which would be un-compassionate), but enough to be accurate.
He learned about the story claiming Zach had been arrested in 2015 the night before, so not only did the people he had look into it do a rush job, but so was his answer to press about it. "it was nothing" was about as rushed as you can be.
I'm not sure. The Powell, Ohio police are not being very open about any of this. According to McMurphy, he contacted the Powell police and asked why it was changed, and he claims they told him that despite a checkbox being checked on the report that said "arrest" that he wasn't, so they corrected it to make it accurate. I've heard some people claim that it's quite common for that check box to be checked, even for things like speeding tickets, when an arrest was never made, and that journalists know that and don't use it as fact. They check their facts first by contacting the police.
Let me be clear, I think it's possible the Powell, Ohio police FAILED Courtney. There is no question they've been involved, and frequently for years. Yet they've never brought charges up on Zach, until trespassing in May of 2018. So If Courtney is in fact a domestic abuse victim, that's a black eye on the Powell police to be that involved and never give her the justice she deserves. There are already people on the internet claiming it's a conspiracy between the Powell police and Urban to not ever charge Zach with anything.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
There is a fan rally at Ohio Stadium tonight to support Urban Meyer.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Galileo
Footballguy
https://www.facebook.com/1498798014/posts/10211886876396166/
Jeff Snook is reporting that Zach Smith's mother, Lynn Bruce, says Courtney Smith vowed to "take down" Zach and Urban as far back as 2013 as revenge for Zach cheating on her. Natural for mom to defend her son, but it also appears from this report as though Courtney's mother is backing Zach as well. The article has a lot in it portraying Smith as a crazy, but here is a snippet where Courtney's mom back's Bruce's account
Jeff Snook is reporting that Zach Smith's mother, Lynn Bruce, says Courtney Smith vowed to "take down" Zach and Urban as far back as 2013 as revenge for Zach cheating on her. Natural for mom to defend her son, but it also appears from this report as though Courtney's mother is backing Zach as well. The article has a lot in it portraying Smith as a crazy, but here is a snippet where Courtney's mom back's Bruce's account
In full disclosure note that Snook is an OSU graduate
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Full on back to school at my office so I am never on here anymore, but this is just so weird. If your mom does not stand behind you, you are almost certainly certifiable. I am leaning more and more than Urban will be back very soon and we can move on. Have not had enough #Boom's lately. 
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Back when this story broke, the Vegas odds were heavily leaning towards him getting fired. In the days since then, as the other side of the story has come out, the odds in Vegas has changed significantly. A $100 bet that he is fired or resigns results in a $600 payout now.Mad Cow said:Full on back to school at my office so I am never on here anymore, but this is just so weird. If your mom does not stand behind you, you are almost certainly certifiable. I am leaning more and more than Urban will be back very soon and we can move on. Have not had enough #Boom's lately.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
They’ve done a good job of branding the accuser as a crackpot (whether she is or not). Urban will be on the sideline opening weekend.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Kind of helps that two different government agencies (the police of the city of Powell, and the prosecutors office of Delaware County) have pretty much ignored her claims for years.
If she is really a victim of domestic abuse, then the Powell Police and Delaware County have seriously failed her.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Apparently McMurphy is now editing out of his bombshell Aug 1st article claims Courtney made.
Given his history of editing his articles in the past. it pretty much means McMurphy has fact checked some of the things she claimed, and found them to be inaccurate. .
Gee... imagine that. Probably should have fact checked before publishing the thing... or better yet, get both sides of the story first.
Given his history of editing his articles in the past. it pretty much means McMurphy has fact checked some of the things she claimed, and found them to be inaccurate. .
Gee... imagine that. Probably should have fact checked before publishing the thing... or better yet, get both sides of the story first.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
The past few days have dived deep into soap opera territory.... so I'm out.
Domestic disputes are hard enough for the courts to sort out. One being taken to the court of public opinion is a million times worse, especially when it involves people who aren't right in the head.
Domestic disputes are hard enough for the courts to sort out. One being taken to the court of public opinion is a million times worse, especially when it involves people who aren't right in the head.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
From Kyle Lamb on Twitter (multiple posts compiled into one to make it easier to follow):
I'm shocked and in disbelief that Urban left Miechelle Willis out of the loop about what Miechelle Willis knew.
So Urban's contractual "failure" was that he didn't submit a written report to Miechelle Willis to inform her of her own info.
I'm shocked and in disbelief that Urban left Miechelle Willis out of the loop about what Miechelle Willis knew.
xulf
Footballguy
Totally agree on all accounts. LBs and safety's need some work but offense looks like the real deal (weird and ... refreshing? ... to see a legit pocket passer in the game).
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Two of those runs, Baron Browning got excited and lost containment and rushed instead of holding. He stays and they don't happen.
Loved the play calling. D line was crazy.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
I rewatched a little bit of this game today and dang it if this offense is not amazing. The passing was so unbelievably crisp and quick. Yes, I know it was Oregon State, but they are going to get so much better still. And I have to say I flipping loved that Master T III got that long TD on 4th and 1. I just love that kid's potential. Sad that Gill did not get to showcase anything. I am assuming that might happen next week as they hold back on the freshman for the 4 games.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Why do they insist on putting McCall back there on punts? He's horrible. No sense of the ball's trajectory.
