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Brandon Jacobs and Goal Line Carries (1 Viewer)

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So I was switching from the Eagles/Jets to the Giants/Pats game tonight and I get to watch the Giants 1st string O go against the Pats 2nd string D. The Giants pretty much had their way with them until they got down to the goal line. Jacobs got all 4 attempts (he finally scored on 4th and goal) however he (and the Giants O line) looked horrible against 2nd string D lineman. Jacobs runs so up right and he just cant get his pads low enough to get any leverage. It wouldn't surprise me if you see Reuben Droughns start to get the goal line carries.

 
So I was switching from the Eagles/Jets to the Giants/Pats game tonight and I get to watch the Giants 1st string O go against the Pats 2nd string D. The Giants pretty much had their way with them until they got down to the goal line. Jacobs got all 4 attempts (he finally scored on 4th and goal) however he (and the Giants O line) looked horrible against 2nd string D lineman. Jacobs runs so up right and he just cant get his pads low enough to get any leverage. It wouldn't surprise me if you see Reuben Droughns start to get the goal line carries.
As they say in Poker... " I call ".You want to join the "jabobs is too big to be a every down back crowd" then thats reasonable. If your going to take three goaline attempts (it wasn't four, they passed one time) in the preseason and sweep away the last two years of goaline work then thats just plain silly.

 
So I was switching from the Eagles/Jets to the Giants/Pats game tonight and I get to watch the Giants 1st string O go against the Pats 2nd string D. The Giants pretty much had their way with them until they got down to the goal line. Jacobs got all 4 attempts (he finally scored on 4th and goal) however he (and the Giants O line) looked horrible against 2nd string D lineman. Jacobs runs so up right and he just cant get his pads low enough to get any leverage. It wouldn't surprise me if you see Reuben Droughns start to get the goal line carries.
As they say in Poker... " I call ".You want to join the "jabobs is too big to be a every down back crowd" then thats reasonable. If your going to take three goaline attempts (it wasn't four, they passed one time) in the preseason and sweep away the last two years of goaline work then thats just plain silly.
He had 4 carries the first one he got stuffed (no surprise there) but there was a penalty on the play, he then had 3 more carries and was stuffed on two of those as well. I do not think there is anyone that has watched a Giants game that would say Jacobs doesnt have a major problem getting his shoulders low. The Giants did not have a bigger back the past two years to take Jacobs place, now that they do it wouldnt surprise me if they give him a shot if the keep seeing Mr Upright run into the pile.
 
wow.

see how this fits

Bringin' the Noise: Giant Man-Crush

Bringin' the Noise: Giant Man-Crush

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By Brad Evans

August 30, 2007

The Noise has been seduced.

Unfortunately for me, it does not involve a "desperate" forty-something cougar with a salacious appetite for soft-bodied fantasy writer flesh – bless you Baron Davis.

Instead, my uncontrollable temptations have reached an obsessive, man-crush, man-lust, or, dare I say, man-tasy level for a 6-foot-4, 264-pound beastly Giants back composed of twisted steel and sex appeal.

His name: Brandon Jacobs.

My demented delirium for Jacobs has reached manic proportions for a variety of reasons. Not only equipped with a monstrous body that's comparable to Brian Urlacher, the man I call the "Football Frankenstein" runs a freakish 4.4 forty, is supplied with brute lower-body strength and exudes a bulldog demeanor when attacking the hole. When able to generate a full head of steam, Jacobs is a runaway battering ram that makes defenders cower in fear.

Man, I can't wait for his Fathead to hit the market.

Naysayers will continue to point to his susceptibility to injury due to his upright running style but, historically, a handful of oversized powerhouses – Christian Okoye and Eddie George come to mind – have emerged successful.

In fantasy terms, Jacobs is an ADP bottle-rocket. His lethal concoction of size, speed and power has not been ignored among pundits as he's climbed up draft boards from the late third to the mid-second round over the past month. In our recent Friends and Family draft Brandon Funston selected him with the 15th pick. And on Wednesday in the second annual Evans Blog League draft – comprised of readers just like you – B.J. went 13th.

So, why is the Noise insanely confident in Jacobs' abilities to turn a profit like Frank Gore did last year? Here are six reasons why the "Football Frankenstein" becomes an irrepressible top-12 RB mutant:

1. Tom Coughlin has emphasized that Jacobs will accumulate 20-25 carries per game. Extrapolate 20 carries over a 16-game slate based on his career 3.9 YPC average and you get 1,248 yards – that would've ranked eighth in the NFL last year.

2. His role as the featured goal-line back is unquestioned. He has totaled 16 touchdowns in 31 career games – 11-13 TDs seems like a foregone conclusion.

3. He has one of the most favorable fantasy playoff schedules matched against three defenses – Philadelphia, Washington and Buffalo – that collectively ranked in the bottom third of the league in rush D and allowed a whopping 138.2 ground yards per game in '06.

4. Although he has been underutilized as a receiver in the preseason, he has better hands than advertised and should catch 30 balls this season.

5. The aforementioned athletic gifts will help him rack an abundance of yards after contact. Don't be shocked if he averages between 4.1-4.5 YPC.

6. With rookie downfield weapon Steve Smith, second-year burner Sinorice Moss and lanky Plaxico Burress at his disposal, Eli Manning has a speedy arsenal that can stretch the field and keep defenses honest. This should assist Jacobs in ripping an abundance of big gainers.

Fearless Forecast: 1,318 rushing yards, 31 receptions, 232 receiving yards, 12 TD

Although Jacobs 57.3 Y! ADP is more indicative of novice auto-draft leaguers rather than those who don't play simpleton fantasy football; you better believe he'll be gone in standard late-season drafts sometime in Round 2.

As a "Bride of Frankenstein" – I own him in six of nine leagues – if Jacobs doesn't fulfill my mammoth predictions I will most certainly become a fantasy scientist gone mad.

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Guys, stop the insanity. It was one preseason drive!

Brandon Jacobs has proven himself to be not just good, but an EXCELLENT goal line runner. He has 14 TDs in 30 goal line attempts, good for a 46.7% conversion rate. That's among the best in the NFL over the last two seasons.

If there's one facet of Jacobs' game you don't need to worry about, it's his ability to get goal-line scores.

 
wow. see how this fitsBringin' the Noise: Giant Man-CrushBringin' the Noise: Giant Man-Crushtd.yspwidearticlebody { font-size: 13.5px; }By Brad EvansAugust 30, 2007The Noise has been seduced.Unfortunately for me, it does not involve a "desperate" forty-something cougar with a salacious appetite for soft-bodied fantasy writer flesh – bless you Baron Davis.Instead, my uncontrollable temptations have reached an obsessive, man-crush, man-lust, or, dare I say, man-tasy level for a 6-foot-4, 264-pound beastly Giants back composed of twisted steel and sex appeal.His name: Brandon Jacobs.My demented delirium for Jacobs has reached manic proportions for a variety of reasons. Not only equipped with a monstrous body that's comparable to Brian Urlacher, the man I call the "Football Frankenstein" runs a freakish 4.4 forty, is supplied with brute lower-body strength and exudes a bulldog demeanor when attacking the hole. When able to generate a full head of steam, Jacobs is a runaway battering ram that makes defenders cower in fear.Man, I can't wait for his Fathead to hit the market.Naysayers will continue to point to his susceptibility to injury due to his upright running style but, historically, a handful of oversized powerhouses – Christian Okoye and Eddie George come to mind – have emerged successful.In fantasy terms, Jacobs is an ADP bottle-rocket. His lethal concoction of size, speed and power has not been ignored among pundits as he's climbed up draft boards from the late third to the mid-second round over the past month. In our recent Friends and Family draft Brandon Funston selected him with the 15th pick. And on Wednesday in the second annual Evans Blog League draft – comprised of readers just like you – B.J. went 13th.So, why is the Noise insanely confident in Jacobs' abilities to turn a profit like Frank Gore did last year? Here are six reasons why the "Football Frankenstein" becomes an irrepressible top-12 RB mutant:1. Tom Coughlin has emphasized that Jacobs will accumulate 20-25 carries per game. Extrapolate 20 carries over a 16-game slate based on his career 3.9 YPC average and you get 1,248 yards – that would've ranked eighth in the NFL last year. 2. His role as the featured goal-line back is unquestioned. He has totaled 16 touchdowns in 31 career games – 11-13 TDs seems like a foregone conclusion. 3. He has one of the most favorable fantasy playoff schedules matched against three defenses – Philadelphia, Washington and Buffalo – that collectively ranked in the bottom third of the league in rush D and allowed a whopping 138.2 ground yards per game in '06. 4. Although he has been underutilized as a receiver in the preseason, he has better hands than advertised and should catch 30 balls this season. 5. The aforementioned athletic gifts will help him rack an abundance of yards after contact. Don't be shocked if he averages between 4.1-4.5 YPC. 6. With rookie downfield weapon Steve Smith, second-year burner Sinorice Moss and lanky Plaxico Burress at his disposal, Eli Manning has a speedy arsenal that can stretch the field and keep defenses honest. This should assist Jacobs in ripping an abundance of big gainers.Fearless Forecast: 1,318 rushing yards, 31 receptions, 232 receiving yards, 12 TDAlthough Jacobs 57.3 Y! ADP is more indicative of novice auto-draft leaguers rather than those who don't play simpleton fantasy football; you better believe he'll be gone in standard late-season drafts sometime in Round 2.As a "Bride of Frankenstein" – I own him in six of nine leagues – if Jacobs doesn't fulfill my mammoth predictions I will most certainly become a fantasy scientist gone mad..
Sorry, but this rose-colored man crush ballwashing lost me at #6 when it assumes a done-nothing rookie and a soon-to-be-bust are reasons Eli will keep defenses honest. NYG have an average passing game, it is what it is.I have no beef with Jacobs, he's going waaaaaaaaaay too early for me to draft him, but saying Sinorice and Smith are reasons to bump up Jacobs is just, well, man crushy.
 
I think Jacobs by far is receiving the most hate from this forum than any other player. Not sure why, but it looks like people want him to fail.

 
I think Jacobs by far is receiving the most hate from this forum than any other player. Not sure why, but it looks like people want him to fail.
Benson is giving him a run for his money there.
In response to all the haters:Benson AND Jacobs = Frank Gore 06'

If you don't see it, then you should try fantasy baseball...
In that case:Ced. Benson = Mark Prior
I was thinking more like Alex Rios and Prince Fielder.ETA: Just to clarify. In fantasy baseball you can get away with playing the complete safe route and still do well. In fantasy football, in my experience, you have to follow your gut and take risks if you want to win the whole thing. Not knocking fantasy baseball for those Bo Jackson fans out there.

 
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Guys, stop the insanity. It was one preseason drive!Brandon Jacobs has proven himself to be not just good, but an EXCELLENT goal line runner. He has 14 TDs in 30 goal line attempts, good for a 46.7% conversion rate. That's among the best in the NFL over the last two seasons. If there's one facet of Jacobs' game you don't need to worry about, it's his ability to get goal-line scores.
yeah reallyWhat's next trading LT2 because he drops a pass?
 
I think Jacobs by far is receiving the most hate from this forum than any other player. Not sure why, but it looks like people want him to fail.
Actually, its the reverse. Jacobs is receiving more unjustified love than any player on the board in spite of his failures. He was awful again last night. He is not meant to be a primary RB and he proves it each time he steps on a football field.
 
To be fair they passed on 1st down.But he still looked bad.
So he forgot how to run at the goal line from last year to now? ok
Actually, maybe. It's very possible that the running backs coaches have screwed him up by trying to change his running style. Julius Jones recently complained about that in Dallas. Or maybe he gets tired too quickly when he gets too many carries. Coaches complained about his conditioning last year when they had to take him off the field, but supposedly he's gotten much better this year. Maybe Jacobs is the kind of guy who pounds defenses and gets better late in games. Maybe he's not as good early in the game, and maybe he'll get gassed more late in the games this year. To that last point, Jacobs has 17 carries for 2 TDs in the first quarter. In his entire career. In the rest of the game, he has 119 rushes for 14 TDs over his career. By comparison, Tiki Barber has 4 first half rushing TDs last year, compared with only one second half rushing TD. Which makes sense - the big back should get more goal line work late in games.
 
Not sure if you guys actually watch Jacobs run on goal line carries, the guy is straight up and down. The Giants did not have any other options the prior two years and now they do. All I am saying is that if the Giants continue to see Jacobs go into pile after pile with his shoulder pads a foot and half above the the defensive line, they now have the option to try RD. I am not saying he will be a bust or wont score any goal line TDs, I am just pointing out the simple fact that he is horrible at getting his pads down and they now have another big back to try.

Go back and watch his 4 attempts last night (yes it was 4, there was a penalty on one play) to see what I am talking about.

 
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Not sure if you guys actually watch Jacobs run on goal line carries, the guy is straight up and down. The Giants did not have any other options the prior two years and now they do. All I am saying is that if the Giants continue to see Jacobs go into pile after pile with his shoulder pads a foot and half above the the defensive line, they now have the option to try RD. I am not saying he will be a bust or wont score any goal line TDs, I am just pointing out the simple fact that he is horrible at getting his pads down and they now have another big back to try.Go back and watch his 4 attempts last night (yes it was 4, there was a penalty on one play) to see what I am talking about.
Did you miss the part where he was near the top in the NFL for the last two years in converting near the goalline?If you're going to dismiss all that based on TWO runs (they passed first down, and he scored on the fourth), then I have nothing to add. Good luck in your league.
 
Not sure if you guys actually watch Jacobs run on goal line carries, the guy is straight up and down. The Giants did not have any other options the prior two years and now they do. All I am saying is that if the Giants continue to see Jacobs go into pile after pile with his shoulder pads a foot and half above the the defensive line, they now have the option to try RD. I am not saying he will be a bust or wont score any goal line TDs, I am just pointing out the simple fact that he is horrible at getting his pads down and they now have another big back to try.

Go back and watch his 4 attempts last night (yes it was 4, there was a penalty on one play) to see what I am talking about.
Did you miss the part where he was near the top in the NFL for the last two years in converting near the goalline?If you're going to dismiss all that based on TWO runs (they passed first down, and he scored on the fourth), then I have nothing to add. Good luck in your league.
The Giants were not happy with how he ran short yardage then either. Their biggest complaint is his pad level and that hasnt changed in 3 years. 2-4-NE 22 (9:04) 10-E.Manning pass deep left to 80-J.Shockey ran ob at NE 2 for 20 yards.

1-2-NE 2 (8:34) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for 1 yard (46-C.Mays, 24-M.Mitchell). PENALTY on NE-63D-R.Moore, Encroachment, 1 yard, enforced at NE 2 - No Play.

1-1-NE 1 (8:17) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short left to 88-M.Matthews (98-C.Brown).

2-1-NE 1 (8:11) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for no gain (52-E.Alexander, 31-B.Meriweather).

3-1-NE 1 (7:32) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NE 1 for no gain (92-S.Thomas, 24-M.Mitchell).

4-1-NE 1 (6:50) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Reading comprehension is your friend

 
My buddy was in a 7-11 waiting in line for mega millions tickets at the lottery counter and saw Brandon Jacobs there buying a slurpee. The lottery line was so long it was blocking the regular checkout, and he said it took Jacobs 4 tries to break through the lottery line to checkout! He said on the second try this little old lady from Paramus reached out and slapped the Slurpee right out of his hands!

I traded him right away and got priest holmes in the deal! (yeah, i know i am a shark)

No way do i want a fatback who fumbles the slurpee.

:goodposting:

 
Not sure if you guys actually watch Jacobs run on goal line carries, the guy is straight up and down. The Giants did not have any other options the prior two years and now they do. All I am saying is that if the Giants continue to see Jacobs go into pile after pile with his shoulder pads a foot and half above the the defensive line, they now have the option to try RD. I am not saying he will be a bust or wont score any goal line TDs, I am just pointing out the simple fact that he is horrible at getting his pads down and they now have another big back to try.

Go back and watch his 4 attempts last night (yes it was 4, there was a penalty on one play) to see what I am talking about.
Did you miss the part where he was near the top in the NFL for the last two years in converting near the goalline?If you're going to dismiss all that based on TWO runs (they passed first down, and he scored on the fourth), then I have nothing to add. Good luck in your league.
The Giants were not happy with how he ran short yardage then either. Their biggest complaint is his pad level and that hasnt changed in 3 years. 2-4-NE 22 (9:04) 10-E.Manning pass deep left to 80-J.Shockey ran ob at NE 2 for 20 yards.

1-2-NE 2 (8:34) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for 1 yard (46-C.Mays, 24-M.Mitchell). PENALTY on NE-63D-R.Moore, Encroachment, 1 yard, enforced at NE 2 - No Play.

1-1-NE 1 (8:17) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short left to 88-M.Matthews (98-C.Brown).

2-1-NE 1 (8:11) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for no gain (52-E.Alexander, 31-B.Meriweather).

3-1-NE 1 (7:32) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NE 1 for no gain (92-S.Thomas, 24-M.Mitchell).

4-1-NE 1 (6:50) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Reading comprehension is your friend
pad level or not if the giants are not happy that he is one of the best goaline backs in the league over the past 2 years then they need their heads examined
 
My buddy was in a 7-11 waiting in line for mega millions tickets at the lottery counter and saw Brandon Jacobs there buying a slurpee. The lottery line was so long it was blocking the regular checkout, and he said it took Jacobs 4 tries to break through the lottery line to checkout! He said on the second try this little old lady from Paramus reached out and slapped the Slurpee right out of his hands!

I traded him right away and got priest holmes in the deal! (yeah, i know i am a shark)

No way do i want a fatback who fumbles the slurpee.
:lmao: :bow: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: The SP would be a better place with more posts like this one. :goodposting:

 
Reading comprehension is your friend
:goodposting: @ you STILL trying to use small sample sizes to refute a statistical argument.Awesome. I read fine, thanks.
Glad I could help, it was clearly needed. Oh and its not a statistical argument. Its my opinion that if Jacobs continues to run upright with that O line that the Giants currently have and get stuffed at the line of scrimmage , that they will try the other larger back they have that can get his pads lower. I am not saying he is going to be benched or that he isnt a nice RB2. But the Giants O line looks to be worse then last year and his pad level will come into play, IMO... not a stat.
 
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you guys are all cooked! Jacobs is the unquestioned goal line back. It was his only job last year and he was terrific at it.

SHUTUP ALREADY!!

 
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Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Keys Myaths said:
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Not sure if you guys actually watch Jacobs run on goal line carries, the guy is straight up and down. The Giants did not have any other options the prior two years and now they do. All I am saying is that if the Giants continue to see Jacobs go into pile after pile with his shoulder pads a foot and half above the the defensive line, they now have the option to try RD. I am not saying he will be a bust or wont score any goal line TDs, I am just pointing out the simple fact that he is horrible at getting his pads down and they now have another big back to try.

Go back and watch his 4 attempts last night (yes it was 4, there was a penalty on one play) to see what I am talking about.
Did you miss the part where he was near the top in the NFL for the last two years in converting near the goalline?If you're going to dismiss all that based on TWO runs (they passed first down, and he scored on the fourth), then I have nothing to add. Good luck in your league.
The Giants were not happy with how he ran short yardage then either. Their biggest complaint is his pad level and that hasnt changed in 3 years. 2-4-NE 22 (9:04) 10-E.Manning pass deep left to 80-J.Shockey ran ob at NE 2 for 20 yards.

1-2-NE 2 (8:34) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for 1 yard (46-C.Mays, 24-M.Mitchell). PENALTY on NE-63D-R.Moore, Encroachment, 1 yard, enforced at NE 2 - No Play.

1-1-NE 1 (8:17) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short left to 88-M.Matthews (98-C.Brown).

2-1-NE 1 (8:11) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NE 1 for no gain (52-E.Alexander, 31-B.Meriweather).

3-1-NE 1 (7:32) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NE 1 for no gain (92-S.Thomas, 24-M.Mitchell).

4-1-NE 1 (6:50) NYG 79-Whimper eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Reading comprehension is your friend
Words and box scores lie my friend, watch the game and trust your eyes. The first attempt was blowup because the whole left side of the patriots line was offside and in the backfield of the giants - on a run designed for Jacobs to run into the right side of the Giants line. If the pats D didn't tackle him for a one yard gain on that play it was time to start drafting the Idaho Vandals D/ST in front of them. The next two runs he danced around like a school girl - fair. Maybe he was trying something new? His two year track record on the goal line has been stellar with a pound it in approach. The "fourth" attempt he put his head down and barreled his way to the end zone the same way he has for the last two years.
 
I'm in the skeptical camp about whether Jacobs can be an effective everydown back at his size, but his value in short-yardage situations is unquestionable IMO.

 
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Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Keys Myaths said:
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Reading comprehension is your friend
:lmao: @ you STILL trying to use small sample sizes to refute a statistical argument.Awesome. I read fine, thanks.
Glad I could help, it was clearly needed. Oh and its not a statistical argument. Its my opinion that if Jacobs continues to run upright with that O line that the Giants currently have and get stuffed at the line of scrimmage , that they will try the other larger back they have that can get his pads lower. I am not saying he is going to be benched or that he isnt a nice RB2. But the Giants O line looks to be worse then last year and his pad level will come into play, IMO... not a stat.
If you had any perspective, or have followed the Giants for more than this offseason, you'd know that Coughlin's criteria for a goal line back is the bigger the better. For years, Tiki was the Giants best option in short yardage situations. He'd prove it time and again, yet Coughlin wouldn't stick to him. He insisted on Dayne and other distasters rather than have Tiki run in those situations. In an attempt to fill the role, they drafted Jacobs, who is about as big as you're going to get. And please, stop claiming Droughns is a big back. He's listed at 5-11 and 220. Thats hardly big. Tiki was 5-10 and 205. Bottom line is, the Giants scored, and you have no idea if there was any room to run at all. If you really think that Droughns is going to move a pile that Jacobs doesnt, I think you need to take some physics courses.
 
i've never seen someone roasted for SUCCEEDING

who cares if you get it in on 1st down or 4th down?

he scored a TD fer crying out loud, Jacobs (running straight up) has scored what...16 TDs the last two years right?

 
i've never seen someone roasted for SUCCEEDINGwho cares if you get it in on 1st down or 4th down?he scored a TD fer crying out loud, Jacobs (running straight up) has scored what...16 TDs the last two years right?
Amen to that.
 
Jacobs goal line ability is the absolute last thing that I'd worry about.

 
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Banger said:
Keys Myaths said:
Banger said:
I can't wait for the regular season to start.....
You think that lessens the overreactions in here?
LOL, that's true. When LT goes for 18-66 against Chi he'll be the bust of '07.....
"But I drafted him with the number 1 pick and that means that he has to be number 1 in points scored not only for the year, but also each and every week."
 

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