Brandon Jacobs Sig Bet thread... HK Loses; Jacobs Finished as RB21 (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

MODS, come on... posters are having fun with this... don't turn FBG into the NFL (No Fun League).

Anyway; Jacobs looks amazing this game so far... wheres HK to admit hes wrong.

 

[Limp Ditka]

You don't take hints easily, do you?

 

[KellysHeroes]

The postwas 18 pages of people having fun.... whats wrong with that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The postwas 18 pages of people having fun.... whats wrong with that.

wicked fun dude

 

[wtfhx]

Jacobs will destroy any def. period (behind the NYG O-line). They almost didn't give him that TD. I will go crazy if Ruben vultured another 1 yarder.

 

[TheFanatic]

9 carries for 50 yards. 4 catches for almost 50 yards and a TD. That's a pretty monster game with still some time to go....

 

[PantherPower]

and he's hurt....again. he sucks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Yeap... Injuried Hammy

 

[omally]

Way to go in cursing the guy, KellysHeroes.

 

[dparker713]

He is now officially injury prone.

 

[cowboyz]

 

[KellysHeroes]

He is now officially injury prone.

over a Hammy?

 

[PahtyTom]

He is now officially injury prone.

over a Hammy?

uhhh yes

 

[dparker713]

He is now officially injury prone.

over a Hammy?

Through 10 games, he's had a knee injury that kept him out for 3+ games, a stinger that prevented him from finishing a game and now the hammy. 1 is an anomoly. 2 is a coincidence. 3 is a trend.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised when he caught the ball for the score.

Now he's hurt again. I guess I'm not shocked.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Didn't see the game. What's up with the injury? When did he get hurt?

 

[poopdawg]

JB, come one man. Are you serious?? This site is a joke anymore.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Didn't see the game. What's up with the injury? When did he get hurt?

its a Hammy... don't know how bad it it

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jacobs Injury prone

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supposedly hes gonna be fine for next week, theres just what a poster heard him say via radio tho, so i really don't know



found this on giants site.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised when he caught the ball for the score.Now he's hurt again. I guess I'm not shocked.

Kind of ironic that all the talk in the preseason was whether or not Jacobs could handle the load with is punishing style and he goes down with a hammy and a weird rollup of his knee. I think we all expected more of a bunch of hard hits or some hit that caused an injury. Further irony was that I just posted about how Jacobs can catch the ball well and the Giants should use him more in that role and then they do...he scores a TD and gets 49 yards...and he hurts his hammy. I have no idea how bad it is, but if anyone has ever pulled a hammy, he will miss at least one week.Good Giant win though.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Word is Jacobs believes his injury is minor and should be ready to play...

anyone knows where he stands in the Sig bet now; I believe he racked up 20 pts yesterday and surely is close to RB21. If he only misses one game; he'll still be good for RB21 or better IMO.

Also, heading into next season, I believe that his draft stock stays about the same.... around the mid too late 2nd or RB20 - 25. He has performed very well when he plays, lets not forget that this is his FIRST year ever taking such a workload and he will hopefully be more prepared next season. People will call him "injury prone" and they have the right to say that... hes missed a couple of games and pulled out of a few as well. But draft and dynasty value; I see it staying the same or even increasing if you got him late enough.

 

[Fantasy Bum]

I watched the game and Jacob's couldn't put any pressure on it all. He was hopping off the field on one leg and then had to be assisted by two trainers to the bench. IMHO, he will not be ready for week 12..at the least.

 

[Pigskins]

I watched the game and Jacob's couldn't put any pressure on it all. He was hopping off the field on one leg and then had to be assisted by two trainers to the bench. IMHO, he will not be ready for week 12..at the least.

Here comes the Shark pool doctors making their call.

 

[H.K.]

Word is Jacobs believes his injury is minor and should be ready to play... anyone knows where he stands in the Sig bet now; I believe he racked up 20 pts yesterday and surely is close to RB21.

He's RB 28 heading into tonight, Young behind him and White ahead of him yet to play.Him missing any more time will probably be the nail in the coffin, though.One thing about Jacobs that we haven't discussed is how this will impact him financially. He is signed through 2008 with a base salary of $435K this year and $460K next, then he is an FA. He may force the Giants to look for a more dependable guy in the off season if he keeps getting hurt. Also, what is Ward's status? That guy has missed a lot of time, too...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Word is Jacobs believes his injury is minor and should be ready to play... anyone knows where he stands in the Sig bet now; I believe he racked up 20 pts yesterday and surely is close to RB21.

He's RB 28 heading into tonight, Young behind him and White ahead of him yet to play.Him missing any more time will probably be the nail in the coffin, though.One thing about Jacobs that we haven't discussed is how this will impact him financially. He is signed through 2008 with a base salary of $435K this year and $460K next, then he is an FA. He may force the Giants to look for a more dependable guy in the off season if he keeps getting hurt. Also, what is Ward's status? That guy has missed a lot of time, too...

Ward hasn't even practiced... so I doubt hes even worth mentioning this week. As far as Jacobs goes; everyone has said that it would be best if recieved 20 or fewer touches a game and that he should be paired with a decent COP back. I really don't think that Jacobs is out of the Giants future plans being hes only 25; plus TC seems to really like him. I bet they resign to an extension especially after a season where hes had some injuries and they get him a little cheaper. But they need to rethink his usage going forward. 265 pd Brandon Jacobs shouldn't be the 25 - 30 touches / primary back while 235 pd Droughns is the short yardage / GL back... that seemed a little backwards IMO.

 

[eom]

He is now officially injury prone.

over a Hammy?

Through 10 games, he's had a knee injury that kept him out for 3+ games, a stinger that prevented him from finishing a game and now the hammy. 1 is an anomoly. 2 is a coincidence. 3 is a trend.

and the ankle.

 

[H.K.]

Ward hasn't even practiced... so I doubt hes even worth mentioning this week.

Probably so.

As far as Jacobs goes; everyone has said that it would be best if recieved 20 or fewer touches a game and that he should be paired with a decent COP back.

Well, he's gotten hurt with getting far fewer touches than that in a game. He got hurt the first game of the year after six carries and when he came back he was dinged on two different series, one to start the game. He wasn't in the 20's for touches this week when he got hurt either. His workload has not been the issue when you look at the times he's been hurt.

I really don't think that Jacobs is out of the Giants future plans being hes only 25; plus TC seems to really like him.

Right now, Coughlin staying with the Giants is definitely cloudy. He's got to win at least a playoff game to stay. Also, the Giants had Ryan Grant last year....he's working out pretty nicely with the Packers right now. Not sure how involved TC was in that decision, but it's egg on somebody's face.

I bet they resign to an extension especially after a season where hes had some injuries and they get him a little cheaper.

Maybe, probably a lot depends on what he does the rest of the year.

But they need to rethink his usage going forward. 265 pd Brandon Jacobs shouldn't be the 25 - 30 touches / primary back while 235 pd Droughns is the short yardage / GL back... that seemed a little backwards IMO.

Agreed 100%.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I would think given Ward's status that Droughns is definitely the handcuff for the coming week. Tough week for me injury wise. Three RBs made the injury list this weekend. Ugh. Bad week to have to have lineups in early.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Nice to see some real discussion.

I agree that Coughlin needs a playoff win to stay. I have said this before but I think Coughlin knows a ton about the game. I am always very impressed with his interviews (more so than any other coach). That being said, he may be better off being an assistant coach? While saying this year will be a test is never fair, Coughlin has painted himself into a corner of it being so.

as for what the Giants do now, Droughns has shown that it was a big drop off when Jacobs left the game, but I think droughns is a very good backup. I would imagine Bradshaw will become the COP back? It seems ward is a few weeks away, but the Giants should shut Jacobs down for at least one week (that is if he feels good) because they need him for the postseason and the WC is how the Giants will get in. As for fantasy, playing Minnesota is a good time to rest anyway.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Yea, the whole 11 carries 13 yards thing from Droughns doesn't make him playable against the Vikes IMHO. Hopefully everyone has a better option this week.

p.s. I do have to add though, he owned K. Jones this week.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Word is Jacobs believes his injury is minor and should be ready to play... anyone knows where he stands in the Sig bet now; I believe he racked up 20 pts yesterday and surely is close to RB21.

He's RB 28 heading into tonight, Young behind him and White ahead of him yet to play.Him missing any more time will probably be the nail in the coffin, though.

Yes... I have him at RB28 too... hes was only 14 pts away from RB21 (Lamont); and with guys like Watson, Jordan, Ward, Gore, KJ, Foster, Dunn, LJ, & Benson ahead of him who all have question marks around them (he could beat atleast 7 of them out)... BJ would of won this challenge and he still has a very decent shot at it if doesn't miss more than one game.

 

[H.K.]

Word is Jacobs believes his injury is minor and should be ready to play... anyone knows where he stands in the Sig bet now; I believe he racked up 20 pts yesterday and surely is close to RB21.

He's RB 28 heading into tonight, Young behind him and White ahead of him yet to play.Him missing any more time will probably be the nail in the coffin, though.

Yes... I have him at RB28 too... hes was only 14 pts away from RB21 (Lamont); and with guys like Watson, Jordan, Ward, Gore, KJ, Foster, Dunn, LJ, & Benson ahead of him who all have question marks around them (he could beat atleast 7 of them out)... BJ would of won this challenge and he still has a very decent shot at it if doesn't miss more than one game.

Here are some of the notables not too far behind him:Fargas, Justin OAK Jackson, Steven STL Jones, Julius DAL RB Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Keith, Kenton IND RB Young, Selvin DEN RB Chatman, Jesse MIA RB Grant, Ryan GBP RB

 

[Jed]

Minny was a bad matchup anyway, I doubt many would have started him. Hope he rests up.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Here are some of the notables not too far behind him:Fargas, Justin OAK Jackson, Steven STL Jones, Julius DAL RB Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Keith, Kenton IND RB Young, Selvin DEN RB Chatman, Jesse MIA RB Grant, Ryan GBP RB

Not that I care about the sig bet (don't even know what it is), but Jackson, Young, Chatman and Grant could all be real threats. Assuming Grant's injury (another back of mine) doesn't keep HIM out also. Starting to wonder if I'll have two to put on the field this weekend. Jones will always be to much of a RBBC guy that doesn't get the GL looks. Alexander is done, stick a fork in him (and I was an SA owner). Fargas' YPC is diving like a hooker at a business convention. And Keith won't be playing unless Addai gets hurt now that they can ill afford any more losses. So he looks to be able to gain ground IF he plays.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Here are some of the notables not too far behind him:Fargas, Justin OAK Jackson, Steven STL Jones, Julius DAL RB Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Keith, Kenton IND RB Young, Selvin DEN RB Chatman, Jesse MIA RB Grant, Ryan GBP RB

Not that I care about the sig bet (don't even know what it is), but Jackson, Young, Chatman and Grant could all be real threats. Assuming Grant's injury (another back of mine) doesn't keep HIM out also. Starting to wonder if I'll have two to put on the field this weekend. Jones will always be to much of a RBBC guy that doesn't get the GL looks. Alexander is done, stick a fork in him (and I was an SA owner). Fargas' YPC is diving like a hooker at a business convention. And Keith won't be playing unless Addai gets hurt now that they can ill afford any more losses. So he looks to be able to gain ground IF he plays.

The Sig Bet was that Jacobs could finish RB21 or better in 1PPR / 10yds a pt scoring settings

 

[H.K.]

Here are some of the notables not too far behind him:Fargas, Justin OAK Jackson, Steven STL Jones, Julius DAL RB Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Keith, Kenton IND RB Young, Selvin DEN RB Chatman, Jesse MIA RB Grant, Ryan GBP RB

Not that I care about the sig bet (don't even know what it is), but Jackson, Young, Chatman and Grant could all be real threats. Assuming Grant's injury (another back of mine) doesn't keep HIM out also. Starting to wonder if I'll have two to put on the field this weekend. Jones will always be to much of a RBBC guy that doesn't get the GL looks. Alexander is done, stick a fork in him (and I was an SA owner). Fargas' YPC is diving like a hooker at a business convention. And Keith won't be playing unless Addai gets hurt now that they can ill afford any more losses. So he looks to be able to gain ground IF he plays.

Yep. Jacobs can't afford to miss any more time, though. The past few years, RB21 has put up between 180-195 points in this system. Jacobs has 97.2, so he's a little over halfway there with six games left.

 

[tikitime]

Here are some of the notables not too far behind him:Fargas, Justin OAK Jackson, Steven STL Jones, Julius DAL RB Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Keith, Kenton IND RB Young, Selvin DEN RB Chatman, Jesse MIA RB Grant, Ryan GBP RB

Not that I care about the sig bet (don't even know what it is), but Jackson, Young, Chatman and Grant could all be real threats. Assuming Grant's injury (another back of mine) doesn't keep HIM out also. Starting to wonder if I'll have two to put on the field this weekend. Jones will always be to much of a RBBC guy that doesn't get the GL looks. Alexander is done, stick a fork in him (and I was an SA owner). Fargas' YPC is diving like a hooker at a business convention. And Keith won't be playing unless Addai gets hurt now that they can ill afford any more losses. So he looks to be able to gain ground IF he plays.

Yep. Jacobs can't afford to miss any more time, though. The past few years, RB21 has put up between 180-195 points in this system. Jacobs has 97.2, so he's a little over halfway there with six games left.

Who are you? There seems to be a person named H.K. in this thread that is writing rational, non-biased, reasonable posts. I am not familiar with this person.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Yep. Jacobs can't afford to miss any more time, though. The past few years, RB21 has put up between 180-195 points in this system. Jacobs has 97.2, so he's a little over halfway there with six games left.

I didn't mean to mislead anyone. I really don't care about the sig bet. What I do care about is how Jacobs performs and can he help me win some FF games. So I can't afford for him to miss much more time. Though this is one week I won't mind if he has to sit. I likely won't play him against MINN unless Grant can't go.

 

[KellysHeroes]

From the Gaints Homepage..

Jacobs rushed for a team-high 54 yards on 11 carries before he pulled up in the third quarter. He was replaced by Droughns, who also finished with 11 attempts – for 13 carries.

“I think that at the time of the game where I am referring to, late in the game, Detroit was very much aware of the situation as well,” Coughlin said. “There was going to be eight people in the box, there wasn’t going to be as much of a chance to run. If you were going to take a chance, it was going to have to be with a ball in the air, and because of the nature of the game, we certainly weren’t going to do anything to create a problem for ourselves.”

After the game Jacobs said of his injury, “I’ll be all right. It’s something mild, it’s no big deal.”

Coughlin didn’t seem as certain when he discussed Jacobs’ status today.

“They are doing all the medical tests today and he is sore,” Coughlin said. “We are going to wait until I get some more information than what I have right now. It is a left hamstring and we will just have to wait and see.”

Also; TC said that Bradshaw is ready to be the #2 guy if need be...

TC also stated that Droughns had such a terrible 2nd half because Det had 8 guys in the box and was forcing Eli to beat them.... which will be the Vikings game plan for sure next week.

The BJ injury kind of dissapoints me... a pulled or strand hammy at the beginning of the 2nd half is a very freak injury, an honestly... sometimes an injury like that may have been dued to a player not streching or warming up enough before the game restarts... and if thats the case, I assure you the trainer and HC will get in Brandon's face about it. We'll know more tomorrow and Wednesyday; but I'm starting to think that the injury really isn't too serious and Jacobs will be back next week.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Brandon Jacobs has proven any doubters wrong about his all-field ability. Per-play, he's been among the best running backs in the NFL. But Jacobs' inability to finish games continues to be a concern. A hamstring injury sidelined him in the third quarter against Detroit; owners will have to take the 103 total yards, touchdown, and another week of injury report watching.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Brandon Jacobs has proven any doubters wrong about his all-field ability. Per-play, he's been among the best running backs in the NFL. But Jacobs' inability to finish games continues to be a concern. A hamstring injury sidelined him in the third quarter against Detroit; owners will have to take the 103 total yards, touchdown, and another week of injury report watching.

Yep. Was hoping things were progressing and we were going to see the true Jacobs for the rest of the season. But maybe H.K. is right in that playing half or 2/3rds of a game is the true Jacobs. With this being a short week for setting lineups, Jacobs simply won't be in mylineup this week. Way to tight a race to suck up a zero at the RB position.p.s. It's been nice having a civil Jacons thread. Wonder if we could get the mods to change the title to a less confrontational one...

 

[H.K.]

FYI - This was on CBSsportsline:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Giants RB Derrick Ward will practice this week and, barring any setbacks, will play Sunday against the Vikings. It will be his first game since the Oct. 21 win over the 49ers when he hurt his ankle and groin. Ward has rushed for 448 yards, caught 24 passes and scored three total touchdowns this year. He could start against Minnesota with Brandon Jacobs dealing with a hamstring injury.

Some food for thought on Ward returning and how it will impact the workload when Jacobs comes back....Here is the RB carry distribution in Weeks 5, 6, & 7 (used those three weeks because that's when they were all healthy. Also, keep in mind Ward was slowed in Week 7 and missed weeks 8-10)

Jacobs 51

Ward 28

Droughns 21

Receptions during that time span were Ward 7, Jacobs 4 (3 in week 7 when Ward got dinged), and 0 for Droughns.

Without Ward, using weeks 8 & 10 (Week 9 was a bye and Week 11 was thrown out as incomplete b/c Jacobs only played ~1/2 a game) the carry distribution was:

Jacobs 46

Droughns 11

Receptions were Jacobs 3, and Droughns 1.

The big questions if all three are healthy:

1) Will touch distribution be similar to Weeks 5-7 or more like Weeks 8 & 10?

2) If touch distribution is spread out like weeks 5-7, that means Jacobs will be getting less work. Will that allow him to go back to his patented GL/SD role?

3) Most importantly, how does it all effect Jacobs FF production? Higher, lower, stays the same?

 

[TxBuckeye]

FYI - This was on CBSsportsline:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Giants RB Derrick Ward will practice this week and, barring any setbacks, will play Sunday against the Vikings. It will be his first game since the Oct. 21 win over the 49ers when he hurt his ankle and groin. Ward has rushed for 448 yards, caught 24 passes and scored three total touchdowns this year. He could start against Minnesota with Brandon Jacobs dealing with a hamstring injury.

Crap, there goes my Droughns handcuff. Time to go withdraw that waiver request. Edited to add, what becomes the workload split if Ward is back between he and Droughns?

 

[H.K.]

FYI - This was on CBSsportsline:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Giants RB Derrick Ward will practice this week and, barring any setbacks, will play Sunday against the Vikings. It will be his first game since the Oct. 21 win over the 49ers when he hurt his ankle and groin. Ward has rushed for 448 yards, caught 24 passes and scored three total touchdowns this year. He could start against Minnesota with Brandon Jacobs dealing with a hamstring injury.

Crap, there goes my Droughns handcuff. Time to go withdraw that waiver request. Edited to add, what becomes the workload split if Ward is back between he and Droughns?

Unfortunately, the article says "barring any setbacks", so its not definitive either way....If you have room, you probably need both Droughns and Ward and then pick one later in the week.As for the split, don't know but it depends on your scoring system: Ward is probably better for PPR, but Droughns will get the TD's.

 

[TxBuckeye]

FYI - This was on CBSsportsline:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Giants RB Derrick Ward will practice this week and, barring any setbacks, will play Sunday against the Vikings. It will be his first game since the Oct. 21 win over the 49ers when he hurt his ankle and groin. Ward has rushed for 448 yards, caught 24 passes and scored three total touchdowns this year. He could start against Minnesota with Brandon Jacobs dealing with a hamstring injury.

Crap, there goes my Droughns handcuff. Time to go withdraw that waiver request. Edited to add, what becomes the workload split if Ward is back between he and Droughns?

Unfortunately, the article says "barring any setbacks", so its not definitive either way....If you have room, you probably need both Droughns and Ward and then pick one later in the week.

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

 

[H.K.]

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

It gets better! Just heard on Sirius that the Giants signed Patrick Pass.Per rotoworldatrick Pass-RB-Giants Nov. 20 - 4:22 pm et Giants signed former Patriots RB Patrick Pass on Tuesday.The versatile back adds depth as the Giants could be without RB Brandon Jacobs (hamstring) this week, though Derrick Ward is expected to return. Pass, who was with the Texans in training camp this season, has no immediate fantasy value

 

[TxBuckeye]

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

It gets better! Just heard on Sirius that the Giants signed Patrick Pass.Per rotoworldatrick Pass-RB-Giants Nov. 20 - 4:22 pm et Giants signed former Patriots RB Patrick Pass on Tuesday.The versatile back adds depth as the Giants could be without RB Brandon Jacobs (hamstring) this week, though Derrick Ward is expected to return. Pass, who was with the Texans in training camp this season, has no immediate fantasy value

That makes me think that Ward isn't quite so close to returning as they would have you believe.

 

[H.K.]

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

It gets better! Just heard on Sirius that the Giants signed Patrick Pass.Per rotoworldatrick Pass-RB-Giants Nov. 20 - 4:22 pm et Giants signed former Patriots RB Patrick Pass on Tuesday.The versatile back adds depth as the Giants could be without RB Brandon Jacobs (hamstring) this week, though Derrick Ward is expected to return. Pass, who was with the Texans in training camp this season, has no immediate fantasy value

That makes me think that Ward isn't quite so close to returning as they would have you believe.

...purely speculative, but maybe they are worried about Jacobs...

 

[tikitime]

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

It gets better! Just heard on Sirius that the Giants signed Patrick Pass.Per rotoworldatrick Pass-RB-Giants Nov. 20 - 4:22 pm et Giants signed former Patriots RB Patrick Pass on Tuesday.The versatile back adds depth as the Giants could be without RB Brandon Jacobs (hamstring) this week, though Derrick Ward is expected to return. Pass, who was with the Texans in training camp this season, has no immediate fantasy value

Seriously, who are you? This lovefest between you and Loke is getting a bit revolting.

 

[KellysHeroes]

No way I can use three RB slots on a NYG tandom that has to play MINN this week. I would have more faith in Ward because he is quick. I think Droughns would likely get shut down by the Vikings. I am going to try for Mo Morris instead.

It gets better! Just heard on Sirius that the Giants signed Patrick Pass.Per rotoworldatrick Pass-RB-Giants Nov. 20 - 4:22 pm et Giants signed former Patriots RB Patrick Pass on Tuesday.The versatile back adds depth as the Giants could be without RB Brandon Jacobs (hamstring) this week, though Derrick Ward is expected to return. Pass, who was with the Texans in training camp this season, has no immediate fantasy value

That makes me think that Ward isn't quite so close to returning as they would have you believe.

I agree... thats more of a sign that Ward isn't quite ready.