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I search for other info on Brandon Tate, but no one is talking about him. He's the WR2 in NE now. Is he still third in targets behind Welker and Hernandez? How does the Branch trade affect him. Trying to figure out if this will be his break out week and to grab him before it happens.

Anyone see him play? Strong to the ball? Elusiveness?

 
He's playing against Baltimore. I doubt that he breaks out this week.
With the above being truth, you may be able to wait a week and see, depending on your leagues waivering system. I picked him up since I had injuries at the WR position and owners are quick to react. Not a lot at the moment to be hopeful for.-- edit --Anyone with some spare time know what the passing offense looks like, statistically, over the past few years when Moss wasn't in the game? What the run/pass ratio was, how often they looked deep (which is what I hear Tate's skill set encourages), or Brady's completion percentage to anyone BUT welker?
 
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Tate is likely going to end up as the #4 receiving option in NE after Welker, Hernandez, and Branch. He will start to run some deeper routes to keep teams honest, but I suspect the Pats will revert to their dink and dunk offense from season's past and an occasional deep throw to keep defenses honest.

I don't think Tate will have a sudden break out a la Miles Austin. He was "starting" opposite Moss and didn't get a ton of targets when he had the benefit of Moss drawing double coverage. Part of the issue may be that on deep routes Tate will be the one getting double covered instead of Moss (depending upon the defensive scheme).

Tate was in on 55% of offensive snaps so far. That might go up to 60% or so, but in a couple of weeks I fully expect Branch to get a huge chunk of Moss' snaps.

If Moss being gone opens up 60 snaps a game, I see Branch getting 40 of them, Tate 5 more, Welker 5 more, Hernandez 5 more, and everyone else splitting the rest. Branch will end up being the one that sees the most snaps and most targets after Welker . . . the question is if he still has the skills and the health to do anything with them.

Edelman has been out and limited with an ankle injury, and I think they will start getting him on the field more as well. I don't see Price the rookie getting into the mix this year, and if so maybe for only a handful of plays later in the season.

NE has been running a lot fewer 3 and 4 WR sets this year in favor of 2 and 3 TE formations. We will have to monitor what happens with Moss out of the picture, but I don't see anyone on the horizon that is going to put up big numbers besides Welker (and Hernandez as a TE).

So for fantasy purposes, I see Welker as a bottom tier WR1/top tier WR2 (12 team leagues), Branch a low end WR3/ok WR4 (in a few weeks when he gets acclimated to the offense), Tate a WR4, Hernandez a low end TE1 (unless he starts getting TD) in redraft leagues.

If Tate does start getting a few TD over the top of defenses, that would bump him up some. But he was being used more as an underneath guy with Moss running go routes and post patterns. So I'm not sure he would be used in both deep routes and underneath/sideline routes moving forward.

For those that have asked, I think Tate retains his kick return duties.

 
He's playing against Baltimore. I doubt that he breaks out this week.
With the above being truth, you may be able to wait a week and see, depending on your leagues waivering system. I picked him up since I had injuries at the WR position and owners are quick to react. Not a lot at the moment to be hopeful for.-- edit --Anyone with some spare time know what the passing offense looks like, statistically, over the past few years when Moss wasn't in the game? What the run/pass ratio was, how often they looked deep (which is what I hear Tate's skill set encourages), or Brady's completion percentage to anyone BUT welker?
The bottom part is mostly not relevant. Moss would come out for a play or two but was in the lineup pretty consistently as they would use him as a decoy to draw coverage. If he came out strategically, it was for situational things (way ahead and the starters were out, 3rd and 1 and they were going to sneak or run up the middle, etc.). There would be very little to go on in terms of the handful of plays in "regular" game conditions to signify the Patriots tendancies.A better snapshot in what to expect is looking back at the years when Moss was not around. They didn't really have a deep theat. I'm not sure the Pats will use Tate as a deep threat all that often, as they haven't so far.At UNC, he was only a main cog on offense in his senior year, posting 376 receiving yards in the first 4 games of the season before blowing out his knee. He was always a force as a kick returner, but he only became a major, integral threat as a senior. (As a junior, he averaged about 2 catches a game.)By comparison, Hakeem Nicks put up 68-1,222-12 at UNC as a junior, but some folks think that Tate was benchmarked for any earlier draft slot than Hicks was.Bottom line, I'm not sure Brady has 100% trust in Tate yet. So as I see it, trading Moss was not specifically a sign that the Pats were so enamored with Tate but moreso they were so disgusted with Moss.
 
Tate is likely going to end up as the #4 receiving option in NE after Welker, Hernandez, and Branch. He will start to run some deeper routes to keep teams honest, but I suspect the Pats will revert to their dink and dunk offense from season's past and an occasional deep throw to keep defenses honest.I don't think Tate will have a sudden break out a la Miles Austin. He was "starting" opposite Moss and didn't get a ton of targets when he had the benefit of Moss drawing double coverage. Part of the issue may be that on deep routes Tate will be the one getting double covered instead of Moss (depending upon the defensive scheme).Tate was in on 55% of offensive snaps so far. That might go up to 60% or so, but in a couple of weeks I fully expect Branch to get a huge chunk of Moss' snaps. If Moss being gone opens up 60 snaps a game, I see Branch getting 40 of them, Tate 5 more, Welker 5 more, Hernandez 5 more, and everyone else splitting the rest. Branch will end up being the one that sees the most snaps and most targets after Welker . . . the question is if he still has the skills and the health to do anything with them.Edelman has been out and limited with an ankle injury, and I think they will start getting him on the field more as well. I don't see Price the rookie getting into the mix this year, and if so maybe for only a handful of plays later in the season.NE has been running a lot fewer 3 and 4 WR sets this year in favor of 2 and 3 TE formations. We will have to monitor what happens with Moss out of the picture, but I don't see anyone on the horizon that is going to put up big numbers besides Welker (and Hernandez as a TE).So for fantasy purposes, I see Welker as a bottom tier WR1/top tier WR2 (12 team leagues), Branch a low end WR3/ok WR4 (in a few weeks when he gets acclimated to the offense), Tate a WR4, Hernandez a low end TE1 (unless he starts getting TD) in redraft leagues.If Tate does start getting a few TD over the top of defenses, that would bump him up some. But he was being used more as an underneath guy with Moss running go routes and post patterns. So I'm not sure he would be used in both deep routes and underneath/sideline routes moving forward.For those that have asked, I think Tate retains his kick return duties.
Yudkin does your prediction remain the same after week 6? Is Welker still bottom tier WR1/top tier WR2 and is Branch still a low end WR3/ok WR4?
 
Yudkin does your prediction remain the same after week 6? Is Welker still bottom tier WR1/top tier WR2 and is Branch still a low end WR3/ok WR4?
Tate will have more than 0 the rest of the way and I doubt Branch is a regular 9 catch 100 yard WR each week. The Pats will scheme and gameplan differently for each opponent.I am guessing that Branch did a better job running routes and getting open than Tate did. They may have also been concerned that if Tate would normally be running deeper routes without Moss that they wouldn't have had time against the Ravens.I still think Tate will have a couple of games where he will get a deep ball and a score, but the other games he will be fantasy depth and bye week filler.I think Welker may end up losing some targets with Branch around as Brady really looked to Deion a lot. NE also has played extremely well at home and not as well on the road, so that may again be something to monitor.At this point, Branch might move a little higher on the food chain to borderline WR2 territory and Tate more solidly in WR4 to WR5 (away from WR3) range.It may end up being Welker, Branch, and Hernandez as being the only guys getting consistent targets and production, but as I said it's been 1 game with Branch so it's hard to declare that as the outcome just yet.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
I just traded for Welker in 2 of my leagues. I hope you are right about him being a low end WR1.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
I just traded for Welker in 2 of my leagues. I hope you are right about him being a low end WR1.
It depends on your scoring. He probably is a low end WR1 in PPR leagues, probably not in a 0 PPR league. Branch may take some of his targets. Hopefully Welker will get more time on the field as the season goes on, so that should help.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
What would you project for him the rest of the way? His numbers so far in 5 games4/361/172/434/390/0 (however had a 22 yard rush). Average yards per game thus far is 31.4 - 5% uptick? would get him around 38 yards per game.I would be hoping to avg out to 4/40 the rest of the way.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
I just traded for Welker in 2 of my leagues. I hope you are right about him being a low end WR1.
It depends on your scoring. He probably is a low end WR1 in PPR leagues, probably not in a 0 PPR league. Branch may take some of his targets. Hopefully Welker will get more time on the field as the season goes on, so that should help.
non ppr both leagues. So WR2 in non ppr? That was my expectation and I had some hopes that he could reach WR1 with Moss out of town.
 
I just want Tate to average 4/40 and 100 KR yards from here on out. That would make him a top20 WR in my league.
I don't see Tate getting 4/40 a game. That would be 64/640 over the course of a season as a 4th receiving option. I would guess he would be a lot lower in the reception category with a higher yards per catch.
What would you project for him the rest of the way? His numbers so far in 5 games4/361/172/434/390/0 (however had a 22 yard rush). Average yards per game thus far is 31.4 - 5% uptick? would get him around 38 yards per game.I would be hoping to avg out to 4/40 the rest of the way.
I don't see anyway he will average only 10 yards per catch, and I don't see him getting 4 catches a game. Maybe 2.5 catches a game and 30-35 yards per game. But that could be a couple short passes and a 25-30 yarder. He probably will be destined to be invisible some weeks but could get a couple big plays depending upon match ups and coverage.It doesn't look like he will be a big piece of the offense as some people speculated.
 
They did target Tate deep this week, on two occassions is memory serves. Obviously after one post-Moss game it looks like Branch is going to be a target monster, but Tate is still the only player on the team who is capable of providing any of the "stretch the field" that Moss was relied on to do. He will not command nearly the same level of attention from defenses, at least not until he comes up with a few deep catches, but he is the only guy they have who can do it.

On my old forum, I had something called "LTF's," or Lottery Ticket Flexes. I would not be surprised if Tate turns into this kind of player by the end of 2010 - he will either go 2 for 24, or 4 for 81 with a shot at a TD. Remember they also use him on end-arounds sometimes, so there is a little more upside there as well.

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