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Braves leaving Turner Field (1 Viewer)

I still can't figure out why the Falcons and/or Braves haven't considered the Doraville site, where the old GM plant sits. Tons of space, great location where 85 and 285 meet and a MARTA station, all in an area that could use redevelopment in a big way. Probably because it makes TOO much sense for the ####### politicians in this region.
YES!

Part of me still hopes the Cobb county thing falls through and they go here.
Keep dreaming. Doraville said no thanks.
:lmao:

Doraville has an image to maintain. An image of non-english strip clubs, noodle shops and crumbling buildings. 9 figure investement in the heart of the Doraville?

NO THANK YOU WE ARE QUITE HAPPY WITH OUR EMPTY GM PLANT AND THE LAST EXISTING KMART IN NORTH AMERICA.
There's also a K mart in Jonesboro on Tara Blvd.
I almost got an apartment off of Tara Blvd in 1996. I don't think I've been back there since.

 
Thought today's NY Times article was interesting.

With Braves Set to Move, a Broader Look at Atlanta By KIM SEVERSONATLANTA — A collective gasp rose here last week when the Atlanta Braves announced that they were moving to the suburbs. The franchise, after all, has been not only a sports team, but also a mirror of Atlanta’s aspirations.

The Braves became the first big-league team in the Deep South when they moved to Atlanta from Milwaukee in 1966. The team quickly became a national presence thanks to Ted Turner’s cable network and was an early symbol of the region’s evolution beyond the confines of its segregated past.

As demographics changed and development migrated to the largely white suburbs, the team remained a proud anchor of an increasingly black city.

But now, as the team makes plans to head a dozen miles northwest to a new $672 million baseball stadium in Cobb County, a regional civic conversation has begun: Is the move a blow to a city beginning to enjoy a post-recession urban renaissance, or is it a signal of a new era in which traditional assumptions about the divide between city and suburb no long apply?

Mayor Kasim Reed of Atlanta, who recently brokered a deal to build a $1.2 billion downtown stadium for the Atlanta Falcons, spent the week taking hits for letting the Braves go.

His critics, he said, are shortsighted.

“We’ve got to make a decision — either we’re going to be a region or we’re not,” he said at a packed news briefing the day after the Braves’ announcement. “It bothers me that we have not come far enough as a community that people feel that a team moving 12 miles is a loss to the city of Atlanta.”

The traditional lines between the city’s 423,000 residents and those of the nearly 3.8 million people living in its suburbs have long been fading, especially demographically.

Places like Gwinnett and Cobb Counties north of Atlanta have become much more racially diverse in the last decade. The number of black residents in Cobb County grew by 47 percent from 2000 to 2010.

On the other hand, Atlanta, long a majority black city, is becoming whiter. During the last decade, the white population has grown by 17 percent, although black residents still make up just over half the population.

Andrew Young, the civil rights leader who became Atlanta’s mayor in 1982, said the geographic boundaries that once divided the 10-county region are as much a part of history as its once-deep racial divisions.

“One of the things I learned when I was mayor is that nobody pays any attention to jurisdictions but elected officials,” he said, adding that one of the region’s problems is that it has always segregated the city from the outer communities.

“The truth of it is,” he said, “it’s one big economic unit.”

Mr. Young, like many civic leaders here, says that moving the baseball stadium offers a chance to redevelop a section of Atlanta that has languished from the start in the shadow of the stadium.

Like many cities, Atlanta is enjoying a wave of new urbanism driven by a crop of educated workers who have moved in from the suburbs and other, smaller cities, filling coffee shops and restaurants in neighborhoods that used to be cultural wastelands. The population is on the rise, growing about 6 percent in the last couple of years.

The Beltline, an urban walkway and bike path featuring 22 miles of reclaimed railroad bed, has opened up the core of city. A streetcar project opening next year will connect downtown with nearby neighborhoods.

The College Football Hall of Fame is moving in downtown, and a rising high-tech district stretches from Georgia Tech north of the city’s famous aquarium into the high-rise condos of the Midtown neighborhood.

Nearly two dozen major apartment projects are underway. Developments like the Ponce City Market on the edge of Old Fourth Ward, which combines apartments, shops, restaurants and offices in a historic former Sears, Roebuck & Company factory building, promise to remake how residents use the city.

Many here argue that amid that backdrop, the loss of the team is a blow — especially when baseball stadiums are being used to revitalize the urban cores of cities like Denver and Minneapolis.

“I find it ironic that in the last few years that we have been becoming a ‘real city’ but we are losing our baseball team,” said Steve Fennessy, the editor in chief of Atlanta magazine. “That’s a significant wound to our self-esteem.”

Turner Field, nicknamed The Ted after Ted Turner, the team’s former owner, has never really served as an engine of revitalization, although civic leaders have tried.

After the 1996 Games, the team moved into what had been the city’s Olympic Stadium. It sits on a sea of parking lots separated by a freeway from the city’s downtown core, which is less than a mile away.

The surrounding neighborhoods have some newer lofts and houses but also some of the poorest households in the city. The stadium is without a stop on Atlanta’s chronically underfunded Marta train system. There is not even a bank or a grocery store nearby.

The stadium is less an urban amenity than what urban planners call a drivable suburban location — that is, a place people drive to for only one purpose and then leave.

The Cobb County site is actually more in line with a new ethos of urbanism that rewards smaller, walkable communities, said Chris Leinberger, a professor at the George Washington University School of Business.

This year, he released a study of new urban development patterns in the Atlanta metro area as part of his work for the Brookings Institution.

In it, many parts of suburban Atlanta had a more urban feel than the city itself.

“The whole concept of city versus suburb is a really obsolete concept, and moving the baseball stadium reflects that,” he said.

The new, smaller stadium is being planned for an unincorporated part of Cobb County’s Cumberland area. That slice of the county is home to headquarters for companies like Home Depot and the Weather Channel and is already flush with shops, restaurants and hotels.

It is also home to the Atlanta Opera and the Atlanta Ballet, which stage most performances in the Cobb Energy Performing Arts Centre.

The area around the stadium could be a distinct walkable urban place, Mr. Leinberger said, describing a kind of guided development designed to deliver the feel of urban living in a smaller community.

“The real distinction in Atlanta now is between those places that are walkable urban areas and those that are drivable suburban areas,” he said. “Where they are doesn’t matter as much.”

Of course, without any train transportation or meaningful bus service, people will still have to travel on Atlanta’s famously congested freeways to get there. And they will need plenty of parking, something Braves management said was lacking at the in-town stadium.

Moving the stadium will put the team closer to a majority of its fans and allow the team’s out-of-state owners, the Liberty Media Corporation, to control and profit from development around it.

But the team is still the Atlanta Braves, said Mike Plant, an executive vice president with the organization.

“We’re not rejecting the city of Atlanta,” he said. “We’re the Atlanta Braves for another 30 plus years. And Metro Atlanta is a big place.”
 
Very interesting, nuanced article, Krista. Thanks.

I enjoyed my visit to Turner in about 2002, but I thought it lacked something in comparison to most of the CamdenClones. It was hard to identify precisely, although the imperfect orientation of the seats and the lack of a lot of throwback baseball touches gave off clues as to the stadium's unusual origin, even if the visitor knew nothing about it. Its demise is a huge waste not because it was a great park, but because it could have been remodeled, and an effort made to use it as a revitalization engine, even if such initiatives didn't work at first. Sit down and try again.

Reed's take is just blather and CYA 101. The city, bizarrely, did not support the Braves economically and he knows it. I appreciate arguments to the contrary, but a baseball stadium in the suburbs is not an ideal option, even if it does work in a few places like Arlington and "KC," or for that matter New York (in a sense). This just feels sad and wrong.

 
Sounds like things are going great for this project. My favorite part is the Braves' team president saying they negotiated the deal in secret because it wouldn't have happened if the public had found out about it beforehand.

Meanwhile ...
Not saying this has been handled well, but I believe the comment was in regards to the city of Atlanta trying to prevent it, not fans/citizens.

"If it had gotten out, more people would have started taking the position of, 'We don't want that to happen. We want to see how viable this was going to be,'" Schuerholz said. "We were able to get that all done."

Yes, the people against this should have been allowed to speak. It's wrong to not allow all views to be heard. By and large, I think people are in favor of this move except for scorned ATL residents.

 
Sounds like things are going great for this project. My favorite part is the Braves' team president saying they negotiated the deal in secret because it wouldn't have happened if the public had found out about it beforehand.

Meanwhile ...
Not saying this has been handled well, but I believe the comment was in regards to the city of Atlanta trying to prevent it, not fans/citizens.

"If it had gotten out, more people would have started taking the position of, 'We don't want that to happen. We want to see how viable this was going to be,'" Schuerholz said. "We were able to get that all done."

Yes, the people against this should have been allowed to speak. It's wrong to not allow all views to be heard. By and large, I think people are in favor of this move except for scorned ATL residents.
I don't buy that at all. The people of Atlanta were and are powerless to prevent the deal on their own. He was clearly talking about either general public sentiment or specifically about the people of Cobb County.

Also, they're manipulating the financing to avoid a public vote on the proposal, as explained here.

I think it's pretty clear that they're trying to avoid allowing the public- County residents or otherwise- to have its voice heard directly.

 
Sounds like things are going great for this project. My favorite part is the Braves' team president saying they negotiated the deal in secret because it wouldn't have happened if the public had found out about it beforehand.

Meanwhile ...
Not saying this has been handled well, but I believe the comment was in regards to the city of Atlanta trying to prevent it, not fans/citizens.

"If it had gotten out, more people would have started taking the position of, 'We don't want that to happen. We want to see how viable this was going to be,'" Schuerholz said. "We were able to get that all done."

Yes, the people against this should have been allowed to speak. It's wrong to not allow all views to be heard. By and large, I think people are in favor of this move except for scorned ATL residents.
And people here in Cobb who were not given a chance to vote on a pretty huge expenditure of our tax dollars at a time when teachers are being laid off, and who already deal with horrific traffic around the new site.

 
McGarnicle said:
bigmarc27 said:
TobiasFunke said:
Sounds like things are going great for this project. My favorite part is the Braves' team president saying they negotiated the deal in secret because it wouldn't have happened if the public had found out about it beforehand.

Meanwhile ...
Not saying this has been handled well, but I believe the comment was in regards to the city of Atlanta trying to prevent it, not fans/citizens.

"If it had gotten out, more people would have started taking the position of, 'We don't want that to happen. We want to see how viable this was going to be,'" Schuerholz said. "We were able to get that all done."

Yes, the people against this should have been allowed to speak. It's wrong to not allow all views to be heard. By and large, I think people are in favor of this move except for scorned ATL residents.
And people here in Cobb who were not given a chance to vote on a pretty huge expenditure of our tax dollars at a time when teachers are being laid off, and who already deal with horrific traffic around the new site.
Absolutely, you guys got screwed on the deal. I'm not defending how it's done in any way shape or form.

That said, I'm excited about the move (Gwinnett resident).

 

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