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McGarnicle

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Moving north into Cobb County. Talk about a traffic nightmare.

Pretty surprised this is happening. Turner Field is less than 20 years old and one of the original "throwback" parks in the model of Camden Yards which has been copied ad nauseum. Who knows what happens to it now?

Maybe now they will manage to sell out a playoff game.

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Northern suburbs are where the fans live and currently have no way of making at 7:05 game at Turner field. Attendance will go up and naming rights will combat the brutal television deal the Braves are locked in to currently.

 
Can they leave that godawful tomahawk chop there too while they're at it.

To this day I will not watch any home playoff game for the Braves because of it.

 
Northern suburbs are where the fans live and currently have no way of making at 7:05 game at Turner field. Attendance will go up and naming rights will combat the brutal television deal the Braves are locked in to currently.
Yeah the stadium is in one of the ####tiest neighborhoods in the city, though Cumberland in recent years has been really going downhill too. This move will likely make it worse. And the traffic is already horrific around there, this is going to make it unbearable.

 
Moving north into Cobb County. Talk about a traffic nightmare.

Pretty surprised this is happening. Turner Field is less than 20 years old and one of the original "throwback" parks in the model of Camden Yards which has been copied ad nauseum. Who knows what happens to it now?

Maybe now they will manage to sell out a playoff game.

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What a waste.

 
Can they leave that godawful tomahawk chop there too while they're at it.

To this day I will not watch any home playoff game for the Braves because of it.
Oh come on.

No Seminole or Chiefs games either I take it?
the tomahawk chop is the worst thing in sports. this is not a subjective opinion.
Aside from whatever insensitivity issues the PC crowd may want to raise, it is simply moronic and annoying. And often the same can be said for the whole Turner Field experience itself. This ain't a baseball town.

 
Can they leave that godawful tomahawk chop there too while they're at it.

To this day I will not watch any home playoff game for the Braves because of it.
Oh come on.

No Seminole or Chiefs games either I take it?
the tomahawk chop is the worst thing in sports. this is not a subjective opinion.
Ok - so no Chiefs game or FSU games either?

Just turn the channel?
I really wouldn't be watching any of these teams anyway, so I guess so.

 
That area is a complete cluster@#$@#$ in the afternoon and during rush hour - looks like they will continue to struggle with attendance.

This stadium and the new football stadium to be built for nearly 2 Billion combined - yes 2 Billion. So glad that Fulton and Cobb Counties have their priorities in order - and I can't wait until the buddy-buddy deals become public.

 
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.

 
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.
Why wouldn't the city work with the Braves to make this happen around Turner? Just seems like an absolute no brainer for local gov't officials to leverage an incredibly valuable resource (a MLB team) to gentrify an area in dire need of gentrification.

 
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.
Why wouldn't the city work with the Braves to make this happen around Turner? Just seems like an absolute no brainer for local gov't officials to leverage an incredibly valuable resource (a MLB team) to gentrify an area in dire need of gentrification.
The city is run by imbeciles.

 
Really disappointing news for the city of Atlanta. After years of what seemed like some promising urban neighborhood revitalization, this move will only further reinforce Atlanta as a true "commuter city" of suburbanites with little heart and soul in the actual city itself. It's amazing that one of the alleged reasons that the Braves are moving is because of a lack of mass public transportation around Turner Field, yet the area they are moving to does not have any public transportation access (in part because Atlanta surburbanites voted against MARTA expansion a few years ago because they feared it would bring "urban public transportation users" into their surburban communities). The Braves' attendance numbers have always suffered as a result of the fact that Atlanta is a commuter city where business people commute 45-90 minutes back to their respective suburbs after work, rather than hanging out in Atlanta or braving awful commuter traffic again to go back into the city after work. This move essentially acknowledges the fact that the Braves' fan base and source of income are largely based in the suburbs.

 
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It's amazing that one of the alleged reasons that the Braves are moving is because of a lack of mass public transportation around Turner Field, yet the area they are moving to does not have any public transportation access (in part because Atlanta surburbanites voted against MARTA expansion a few years ago because they feared it would bring "urban public transportation users" into their surburban communities).
Yeah, this has to be a smokescreen if they are citing lack of public transportation as a reason. As one of the city's major business districts, the lack of public transportation around Cumberland is laughable. It's something that has never made any sense to me.

I can understand the concerns people have about Cobb county turning into another Clayton or Dekalb. Much of south Cobb has already gone in that direction. If suburban flight keeps going north, pretty soon you're talking about 2.5 hour commutes into the city. But something has to be done. Traffic is becoming unbearable.

 
I work just a couple miles from the new location. A few thoughts:

- Traffic will be crazy but it's crazy now at Turner - I consider it a wash traffic-wise unless I'm somebody who lives near the location

- I was one of those people who didn't like to take the family down for night games - some of the smaller parking lots down there were kind of sketchy. I will definitely be more inclined to go to games now

- I do agree that this is bad news for the city of Atlanta - they had the opporunity to revitalize that area and they never capitalized on it.

- Cobb County is a HUGE baseball county with a ton of middle to upper-middle class families with kids play baseball (traveling teams and the like). I agree with McGarnicle that we are not a baseball city but I think they are picking the right area to move to.

- I'm an Atlanta native and a huge Braves fan and I ####### hate the tomahawk chop. HATE IT.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Rick James said:
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.
Why wouldn't the city work with the Braves to make this happen around Turner? Just seems like an absolute no brainer for local gov't officials to leverage an incredibly valuable resource (a MLB team) to gentrify an area in dire need of gentrification.
Atlanta government is not what you would call smart.

 
Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.

 
Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.
They don't care about the traffic. Cobb County is throwing bundles of cash at the Braves that Atlanta/Fulton County can't match. Any other reason you hear to justify the move is bs.

 
Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.
traffic will be a wash. It's crappy now, it will be crappy at the new location. Where the braves make out: increased revenue from parking around the stadium, tickets, concessions, and whatever mixed-use buildings they construct on the 60-acre plot.

 
Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.
I had a similar thought, but wasn't sure if it was just because I was non-Atlantan. The Rangers and the Royals are the other two that came to mind as in the suburbs (there might be others). One team has definitely done better than other attendance-wise, but I guess it could work.

 
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Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.
traffic will be a wash. It's crappy now, it will be crappy at the new location. Where the braves make out: increased revenue from parking around the stadium, tickets, concessions, and whatever mixed-use buildings they construct on the 60-acre plot.
I don't know -- Absent Braves traffic, I feel like the 285/75 intersection is at least as bad as the connector/20 traffic on a normal rush hour day, if not worse. At least the connector has 8 lanes each way to handle all the cars. It's going to be a nightmare up there on gamedays.

I would hate to have to commute to Marietta from downtown. What would the expected time for that be? 2+ hours?

 
McGarnicle said:
tommyGunZ said:
Rick James said:
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.
Why wouldn't the city work with the Braves to make this happen around Turner? Just seems like an absolute no brainer for local gov't officials to leverage an incredibly valuable resource (a MLB team) to gentrify an area in dire need of gentrification.
The city is run by imbeciles.
Democrats.
 
Its been years since I lived in the Atlanta area, but I am surprised that they think Cobb county will be better, traffic-wise. Anybody who works downtown/midtown will never make it to games on time, unless they leave work early.
That's essentially the problem now for those that work/live OTP, and those are the people paying for tickets.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/political-insider/2013/nov/11/kasim-reed-braves-i-wish-them-well/
That just shows where ticket holders live. Do they also work OTP, by and large?

 
The whole area around the stadium now is void of much of anything. There are no nice restaurants, not enough parking, etc. The stadium itself I thought was ok but if you have to spend the day there for a night game, there really is nowhere to go or nothing to do without cabbing it back out of there.

 
If the $450M number for the public contribution is accurate, every one of the 700,000 residents of Cobb County is on the hook for around $643. Hope that comes with a BJ Upton bobblehead.

I realize financing is more complicated than that but it's still a huge expense to foist on a county taxbase.

 
If the $450M number for the public contribution is accurate, every one of the 700,000 residents of Cobb County is on the hook for around $643. Hope that comes with a BJ Upton bobblehead.

I realize financing is more complicated than that but it's still a huge expense to foist on a county taxbase.
Yep and we get no vote since there is no new tax being levied. But they can hike an existing tax. Sons of #####es. Traffic around this thing is going to be an absolute nightmare. My wife works a quarter mile from the site and she already screams about the traffic every day.
 
If the $450M number for the public contribution is accurate, every one of the 700,000 residents of Cobb County is on the hook for around $643. Hope that comes with a BJ Upton bobblehead.

I realize financing is more complicated than that but it's still a huge expense to foist on a county taxbase.
fyp

 
Atlanta Police department ran traffic for Braves games and managed to screw up traffic for the whole city for years. They close the interstate exit next to the stadium. They close off side streets so there's only one way for all of Atlanta into the parking lots. You can't drive from one side of the stadium to the other because they close off one block off Henry Aaron Blvd and you have to go around, but you have to park in designated lots. I usually take the back way in and park in a non official lot but for one game this year I had a parking pass to their "best" lot. I got to within two blocks and didn't move for 45 minutes. I turned around and paid again to park where I usually do because they cannot get people into and out of a stupid parking lot.

If you follow the posted signage around town to turner Field you can't get there without being directed onto the interstate going south, then turning around and heading back north. For a couple summers they started bridge construction with multiple interstate lanes closed at the same time the braves games ended. They couldn't wait 1 hour for 35,000+ people to clear but instead made you wait in traffic after every game.

Don't even think about making it on time of there are any other events in Atlanta as it's much worse.

Instead of having busses pick people up outside the subway stop marta makes them walk through underground atlanta to another street to get the bus. Makes the already long trip longer and is simply an attempt to drive a little business to the vendors at underground. Nothing the city of Atlanta, APD or marta does is in the interest of braves fans or the braves in general. You complain to various braves reps but they are powerless as the city has all the power and no accountability.

I've seen what happened around Coors Field in Denver and can compare it to the lack of anything but vacant homes and run down apt blocks around Turner Field.

The Braves game experience for most Atlantans consisted of fighting traffic to get near the stadium then waiting in more traffic to get into a parking lot, then a long hot walk to the stadium where you're bound to be late for first pitch. There is no option to meet your buddies at the bar before or after the game. You wouldn't go anywhere near Turner Field for any reason but to go to a game, especially after dark.

Also Turner field is converted from the Olympic stadium. The stadium seats are the same ones they hurriedly wedged in back before the '96 games. They're not arranged for baseball. Seats in the stadium curve pinch in. Whole sections face into the outfield so you have to turn your head sideways to see the pitches.

Also Atlanta's mayor is trying to enforce a monopoly contract to vend on sidewalks. People that have sold peanuts, water and tshirts for years are being told they have to pony up big bucks to the one company the city has granted a contract for street vending. They even went through the hassle of installing a low wrought iron fence around one sidewalk spot that had been used for years to sell to braves fans just to spite the vendor because he sued.

I am 100% in favor of the braves getting the hell out of downtown atlanta.

 
McGarnicle said:
tommyGunZ said:
Rick James said:
Braves did not own the stadium or the land surrounding it. They still contributed over $150M to something they leased. Braves wanted to create like a village around the stadium, but the city of Atlanta provided no support at all.

Braves will own 60 acres of land at the new location, with the stadium taking up only about 15 acres of that. The rest will be parking and multi-use buildings like condos, bars and restaurants.

Transit will remain an issue. Turner field is not on the MARTA line, and neither is the new location.
Why wouldn't the city work with the Braves to make this happen around Turner? Just seems like an absolute no brainer for local gov't officials to leverage an incredibly valuable resource (a MLB team) to gentrify an area in dire need of gentrification.
The city is run by imbeciles.
My city is run by imbeciles and we found a way to make it work. Five years ago area where the park is located used to be vacant lots and empty warehouses, and this spring my wife and I had to move because we couldn't afford a 3 BR in the neighborhood for our growing family. And the same sorta thing happened in San Francisco and Denver when they built downtown baseball stadiums, and probably some other cities I don't know much about too. Nobody else is leaving town because of a lack of development around the park and lack of transit options.

So I think it's more an indictment of Atlanta than the city government in particular. Rembert Browne pretty much nails it in this Grantland column.

 
TobiasFunke said:
So I think it's more an indictment of Atlanta than the city government in particular. Rembert Browne pretty much nails it in this Grantland column.
I get what Rembert is saying but I think he's part of the minority in this thinking. I've lived in Atlanta my entire life, that's what I've always told people and I consider myself and Atlantan. Thing is, I've always lived in the suburbs, never ITP or in Atlanta. For most around here it really doesn't matter and his article doesn't resonate. Where they are moving is as much Atlanta to me as where they were. They just won't be downtown and that's a good thing IMO.

 
TobiasFunke said:
So I think it's more an indictment of Atlanta than the city government in particular. Rembert Browne pretty much nails it in this Grantland column.
I get what Rembert is saying but I think he's part of the minority in this thinking. I've lived in Atlanta my entire life, that's what I've always told people and I consider myself and Atlantan. Thing is, I've always lived in the suburbs, never ITP or in Atlanta. For most around here it really doesn't matter and his article doesn't resonate. Where they are moving is as much Atlanta to me as where they were. They just won't be downtown and that's a good thing IMO.
I think he'd agree with you. He seems to be mourning the fact that Atlanta is not what he wants it to be, and this is the latest and strongest evidence of that. He wants Atlanta to be a city and to offer all the great things that cities offer, but Atlanta is not a city the way most of the world thinks of a city, with a centralized population and economy and lots of foot traffic and mass transportation. It's a region, a collection of loosely affiliated suburbs. Not to trash suburbs, they offer a lot of great things too, but it's a completely different thing, and he personally prefers cities. I agree with him so it rings true to me, but there's nothing wrong with suburbs per se. Now if those suburbs refuse to accommodate mass transit because they are scared of minorities, that's a different problem.

 
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Rembert's anger is misguided. The Braves are "leaving" Atlanta because the city has done nothing to improve the stadium or surrounding areas.

 
Rembert's anger is misguided. The Braves are "leaving" Atlanta because the city has done nothing to improve the stadium or surrounding areas.
Exactly. They dragged their feet for years.

I don't get all the hyperbole about "the team is leaving Atlanta!!!" It's ten miles.

 
Rembert's anger is misguided. The Braves are "leaving" Atlanta because the city has done nothing to improve the stadium or surrounding areas.
Exactly. They dragged their feet for years.

I don't get all the hyperbole about "the team is leaving Atlanta!!!" It's ten miles.
Isn't it ridiculous? That area is 10 minutes from my home in Virginia Highlands (no traffic). There's a Carrabba's up there that we frequent. My buddy had an apartment there while he was at GT.

Can't believe so many people are freaking out over the move. It's not like they're going to Peachtree City or Rome.

 
dwarfboy said:
Atlanta Police department ran traffic for Braves games and managed to screw up traffic for the whole city for years. They close the interstate exit next to the stadium. They close off side streets so there's only one way for all of Atlanta into the parking lots. You can't drive from one side of the stadium to the other because they close off one block off Henry Aaron Blvd and you have to go around, but you have to park in designated lots. I usually take the back way in and park in a non official lot but for one game this year I had a parking pass to their "best" lot. I got to within two blocks and didn't move for 45 minutes. I turned around and paid again to park where I usually do because they cannot get people into and out of a stupid parking lot.

If you follow the posted signage around town to turner Field you can't get there without being directed onto the interstate going south, then turning around and heading back north. For a couple summers they started bridge construction with multiple interstate lanes closed at the same time the braves games ended. They couldn't wait 1 hour for 35,000+ people to clear but instead made you wait in traffic after every game.

Don't even think about making it on time of there are any other events in Atlanta as it's much worse.

Instead of having busses pick people up outside the subway stop marta makes them walk through underground atlanta to another street to get the bus. Makes the already long trip longer and is simply an attempt to drive a little business to the vendors at underground. Nothing the city of Atlanta, APD or marta does is in the interest of braves fans or the braves in general. You complain to various braves reps but they are powerless as the city has all the power and no accountability.

I've seen what happened around Coors Field in Denver and can compare it to the lack of anything but vacant homes and run down apt blocks around Turner Field.

The Braves game experience for most Atlantans consisted of fighting traffic to get near the stadium then waiting in more traffic to get into a parking lot, then a long hot walk to the stadium where you're bound to be late for first pitch. There is no option to meet your buddies at the bar before or after the game. You wouldn't go anywhere near Turner Field for any reason but to go to a game, especially after dark.

Also Turner field is converted from the Olympic stadium. The stadium seats are the same ones they hurriedly wedged in back before the '96 games. They're not arranged for baseball. Seats in the stadium curve pinch in. Whole sections face into the outfield so you have to turn your head sideways to see the pitches.

Also Atlanta's mayor is trying to enforce a monopoly contract to vend on sidewalks. People that have sold peanuts, water and tshirts for years are being told they have to pony up big bucks to the one company the city has granted a contract for street vending. They even went through the hassle of installing a low wrought iron fence around one sidewalk spot that had been used for years to sell to braves fans just to spite the vendor because he sued.

I am 100% in favor of the braves getting the hell out of downtown atlanta.
I agree, the whole experience is a huge cluster. But it's going to be a lot worse in Cumberland in my opinion. The area around Turner Field does not see that volume of traffic except when there is a game. The 75/285 corridor, Cobb Parkway and surrounding arteries are jammed from 4-7PM on weekdays already. Now you're going to have 25,000+ people trying to get to a 7:05 game on top of that? It's going to be a nightmare.

The lack of mass transit in this city is completely asinine.

 

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