Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets (1 Viewer)

[Bobcat10]

As a Brownies fan, Im sorry that you were once again shafted. A 3rd and 5th and two role players? Eric Mangini is one obstinate individual.

I'm sorry that you know nothing about the Browns.

Care to elaborate? What am I missing?

Braylon has brought zero to the table, or field, since his one good season. It's very well known that he was not happy here and was looking forward to 2010. That has made him lazy among other things....basically more dead weight than worth. And no matter what Mangini has said about Braylon since he was named coach, you just know Braylon isn't his type of guy and would not want to resign him. Getting anything for him, even just a 2nd day pick, would seem worth it for the Browns, imo of course. With the Browns going nowhere this year, it makes even more sense.

Im simply talking about the value he ought to generate in the market. Hes a young, talented WR who caught 16 TD's not to far long ago. Its as if they waited until his value reached its absolute lowest point and then decided to trade him. And its not like this trade came as a huge surprise - hes been on the block for a long time and Id bet my house they had better offers for him six months ago. Why not trade him before the draft if the plan was to select two WR's on the first day? Why not trade him in the offseason, after its clear that Massequoi is the real deal? Even the Lions got a 1st and 3rd out of Roy Williams (in midseason no less) - a comparable player with regards to NFL production in that he had one great year boatloads of potential and little else. Didnt mean to pile on or disrespect the team - sorry if my post came across as crass. Just commenting on what I perceive to be less than adequate compensation for a 26 year old player in a league hungry for #1 WR's.

My reply to BDeep pretty much gives my thoughts on this. And even if they did pull the trigger too late like you think, at least they pulled it, no? I just don't think the market was there like you think it was.

 

[wudaben]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?Let's just remember that Cleveland was a mess the whole time Braylon was there and he showed his potential in the one season where they were not a horrible trainwreck and I'm sure that his work ethic and focus were not great the past two years but I think this change of scenery will be very good for him and the Jets!

at michigan he made great catches and dropped easy ones, all the time

So does TO... how did his career turn out?

 

[AB in DC]

From a fantasy standpoint this has to be a bump for Braylons value. Right? Snanchez is certainly and upgrade at QB over Quinn and Anderson.

That depends on what you think he was worth yesterday.

 

[Native]

Bobcat - I guess late is better than never.

 

[B-Deep]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?Let's just remember that Cleveland was a mess the whole time Braylon was there and he showed his potential in the one season where they were not a horrible trainwreck and I'm sure that his work ethic and focus were not great the past two years but I think this change of scenery will be very good for him and the Jets!

at michigan he made great catches and dropped easy ones, all the time

So does TO... how did his career turn out?

pretty much the model of what you want from a #1 WR, imo

 

[drdgreenlove]

Braylon will be a good addition to the Jets team. He may not be a good fantasy player. Its unrealistic to have high hopes for a WR traded mid season to a team with a rookie QB. I would try to trade Braylon today because he won't produce for several weeks and his value will decline. He hasn't been a good start in Fantasy Football and becomes worse now... This does help Sanchez in fantasy because he has a higher chance of long TD passes.

Wait a minute. How exactly does BE come a fantasy football nightmare but Sanchez get help for the long TD opportunities? This defies logic.....I could see BE being a low performer but a better red zone target for Sanchez but he cant be a bust and improve on the long ball.

doesnt defy logic at all... If Braylon adds 4 touchdowns to Sanchez's season totals, that helps sanchez. If Braylon helps Cotchery or Keller get more TDs, that helps Sanchez. Football is a team game and Braylon will ehlp the Jets offense....but if Braylon averages 50 yards and 0.4 TD a game, he isnt relevant fantasy-wise.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

So the Browns got a ST ace, a decent WR a 5th and a 3rd for a WR who can't catch? Maybe the organization is heading in the right direction.

 

[superbeck1]

Braylon will be a good addition to the Jets team. He may not be a good fantasy player. Its unrealistic to have high hopes for a WR traded mid season to a team with a rookie QB. I would try to trade Braylon today because he won't produce for several weeks and his value will decline. He hasn't been a good start in Fantasy Football and becomes worse now... This does help Sanchez in fantasy because he has a higher chance of long TD passes.

Wait a minute. How exactly does BE come a fantasy football nightmare but Sanchez get help for the long TD opportunities? This defies logic.....I could see BE being a low performer but a better red zone target for Sanchez but he cant be a bust and improve on the long ball.

doesnt defy logic at all... If Braylon adds 4 touchdowns to Sanchez's season totals, that helps sanchez. If Braylon helps Cotchery or Keller get more TDs, that helps Sanchez. Football is a team game and Braylon will ehlp the Jets offense....but if Braylon averages 50 yards and 0.4 TD a game, he isnt relevant fantasy-wise.

okay. Your mention of helping through the long ball doesn't make sense though (see above). None of those guys run deep routes. Maybe Stuckey. Maybe Clowney when dressed I agree with everything else you mention though.

 

[kaa]

The Browns are being run into the ground.

Their two most talented players from a year ago, TE Kellen Winslow and WR Braylon Edwards, have now been dumped to other teams via trades. This is a franchise that desperately needs difference makers. GOOD coaching and GOOD management earn their money by taking a star player that is upset and getting him to buy into the system. If everyone had a sunny attitude and team spirit, we wouldn't even need a coach. But in Cleveland, apparently hard work isn't required of the Browns Brass. If someone is not getting along, just trade him away. Doesn't matter how talented he is, or that they are a STUD with THEIR WHOLE CAREER IN FRONT OF HIM.

The Browns will be a laughingstock for years.

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

I think everyone in the fantasy football universe agrees that Braylon has the talent, and its probably inevitable he puts it all together and becomes a dominant WR. Maybe not in 2009, but eventually. What the Browns did is unfathomably damaging to their franchise.

 

[kaa]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?Let's just remember that Cleveland was a mess the whole time Braylon was there and he showed his potential in the one season where they were not a horrible trainwreck and I'm sure that his work ethic and focus were not great the past two years but I think this change of scenery will be very good for him and the Jets!

at michigan he made great catches and dropped easy ones, all the time

So does TO... how did his career turn out?

 

[massraider]

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

Jay Cutler a few month ago.

 

[Kosar]

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

Jay Cutler. 2009.Seriously???

 

[kaa]

Good job by Cleveland selling high.

Nice sarcasm. Ugh. This trade makes me absolutely ill as a Browns fan. It will haunt this franchise for a decade I bet. Holy crap.

 

[Kosar]

Good job by Cleveland selling high.

Nice sarcasm. Ugh. This trade makes me absolutely ill as a Browns fan. It will haunt this franchise for a decade I bet. Holy crap.

Somewhere, in the distance, a boy is crying wolf...

 

[kaa]

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

Jay Cutler. 2009.Seriously???

That was a trade the Broncos didn't even want to do. They knew it was a bad deal for them. They refused to enterain Cutler's demands until he simply didn't show up to participate in team workouts. But THIS. This is like the Browns WANTED to dump these guys.

 

[kaa]

Well, as with so many other things about being a Browns fan for past couple decades, I just have to laugh. What else can you do?

 

[rascal]

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

Jay Cutler. 2009.Seriously???

That was a trade the Broncos didn't even want to do. They knew it was a bad deal for them. They refused to enterain Cutler's demands until he simply didn't show up to participate in team workouts. But THIS. This is like the Browns WANTED to dump these guys.

No team is forced to trade a player, especially when they have his rights secured for several more years.

 

[Doug B]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?

I am with you -- I think the drops issue is WAY overblown. I concede that he may have had a lot of inopportune drive-killing or momentum-killing drops in 2008. Something like that that makes a not-all-that-important stat seem inflated in importance.

 

[Kosar]

I mean seriously. When was the last time a player with the TALENT and YOUTH of Braylon Edwards got traded away like this? I cannot even remember the last time it occurred.

Jay Cutler. 2009.Seriously???

That was a trade the Broncos didn't even want to do. They knew it was a bad deal for them. They refused to enterain Cutler's demands until he simply didn't show up to participate in team workouts. But THIS. This is like the Browns WANTED to dump these guys.

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?The draft picks are what I am concerned with here. The one thing that has plagued this organization since 1999 is the draft. So far, the jury is still out on Mangini's draft (not looking the best right now, although, it was saved a bit last week with Massoquoi, if he continues his good play). What he does with those 2 picks will be the true measure of this trade.

 

[LBH]

Love the deal for the Jets. Im not extremely high on Braylon, but he has the talent to stretch the field and defenses will have to respect that a little bit. Unlike most here, Im bumping up Cotchery who I think will have more room to operate underneath. Im glad Tannambaum didnt give up too much. A 3rd/5th and the players are worth the potential upside

 

[Kosar]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?

I am with you -- I think the drops issue is WAY overblown. I concede that he may have had a lot of inopportune drive-killing or momentum-killing drops in 2008. Something like that that makes a not-all-that-important stat seem inflated in importance.

You've just contradicted yourself with that statement. Why do you think the drops are such a big deal?

 

[massraider]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?

I am with you -- I think the drops issue is WAY overblown. I concede that he may have had a lot of inopportune drive-killing or momentum-killing drops in 2008. Something like that that makes a not-all-that-important stat seem inflated in importance.

If you owned Braylon, or were a Browns fan, and watched the games, there is no way those drops were overblown. In 2008, it looked like Braylon had money on the other team.

 

[kaa]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

 

[Kosar]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

You are in the extreme minority, thank God.

 

[massraider]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

The coaches can't run on the field and catch the ball for him.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Too busy to do a full writeup here, but the last WRs to average at least 25 yards/gm for at least one team and play for multiple teams in a season: Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, Doug Gabriel, Jerry Rice, Quincy Mogran, Antonio Bryant, Kevin Johnson, Willie Jackson, Eddie Kennison, Bert Emanuel, Brett Perriman and Andre Rison. That's a complete list from the last 20 years.

 

[Doug B]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?

I am with you -- I think the drops issue is WAY overblown. I concede that he may have had a lot of inopportune drive-killing or momentum-killing drops in 2008. Something like that that makes a not-all-that-important stat seem inflated in importance.

You've just contradicted yourself with that statement. Why do you think the drops are such a big deal?

I mean that having 16 drops in a season -- IN AND OF ITSELF -- isn't a big deal fantasy-wise . Of course they are a bigger deal IRL where coaches & teammates have memories.But lots of elite WRs drop butt-loads of passes (I know, I know ... the stats won't back that up, I bet).

 

[kaa]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

The coaches can't run on the field and catch the ball for him.

That's mental, and probably another thing good coaching can fix.

 

[massraider]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

The coaches can't run on the field and catch the ball for him.

That's mental, and probably another thing good coaching can fix.

How on earth do we know this?

 

[Kosar]

I love how everyone rationalizes their negative statements by saying the guy cannot catch. Let's put this in perspective... in 2008 Braylon led the league in drops w/ 16 but also on that list were: Bowe 13, Marshall 12, Owens 10, C Johnson 9, R White 9 and in 2007 Marshall led the league w/ 15 and 2006 was Owens w/ 17. Those guys all suck too correct?? At Michigan the guy broke all kinds of Michigan and Big Ten records but he couldn't catch then either?

I am with you -- I think the drops issue is WAY overblown. I concede that he may have had a lot of inopportune drive-killing or momentum-killing drops in 2008. Something like that that makes a not-all-that-important stat seem inflated in importance.

You've just contradicted yourself with that statement. Why do you think the drops are such a big deal?

I mean that having 16 drops in a season -- IN AND OF ITSELF -- isn't a big deal fantasy-wise . Of course they are a bigger deal IRL where coaches & teammates have memories.But lots of elite WRs drop butt-loads of passes (I know, I know ... the stats won't back that up, I bet).

Yes, from a fantasy prospective, I totally agree.

 

[kaa]

Not sure what cave you are watching the Browns from, but there was no way in hell Edwards was playing for the Browns next year. Every Browns fan in this thread understands this. Why wouldn't you get SOMETHING for him?

That's a cop out for bad leadership in the Browns organization. The failure is not getting Braylon to buy into what they are doing. It should never have come to this. I'm not going to excuse that.

The coaches can't run on the field and catch the ball for him.

That's mental, and probably another thing good coaching can fix.

How on earth do we know this?

Well for starters he has shown it wasn't a problem the year the Browns won 10 games. Its a more recent development and likely mental.You know what this reminds me of? When the Browns dumped Earnest Byner on the Redskins for Mike Oliphant. There was another terrible trade. Very nice RB, who developed a fumbling problem after "the fumble" in the AFC championship game. The Redskins coaching staff got him to overcome that and he won a super bowl there as the leading rusher.

 

[kaa]

I stand by my statement that a coaching staff earns its money by getting the most difficult players to buy into the system and be productive. I'd fire Mangini and clean house, because apparently they do not wish to do the hard work in turning the franchise around.

 

[cstu]

Too busy to do a full writeup here, but the last WRs to average at least 25 yards/gm for at least one team and play for multiple teams in a season: Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, Doug Gabriel, Jerry Rice, Quincy Mogran, Antonio Bryant, Kevin Johnson, Willie Jackson, Eddie Kennison, Bert Emanuel, Brett Perriman and Andre Rison. That's a complete list from the last 20 years.

Edwards is the youngest besides Bryant and arguably the most talented (at the time of the trade) WR on that list.

 

[wadegarrett]

I'd fire Mangini and clean house

This is why you're posting on a message board and not in an NFL FO.

they do not wish to do the hard work in turning the franchise around.

Actually, this was Edwards, not Mangini.

 

[netnalp]

I think the change might do Braylon good like the move to New England did for Randy Moss. I'm don't know about Edwards past brushes with the law. If this recent incident is the only one he has, then maybe frustrations with being a Brown contributed to his bad attitude.

 

[Boone22]

Too busy to do a full writeup here, but the last WRs to average at least 25 yards/gm for at least one team and play for multiple teams in a season: Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, Doug Gabriel, Jerry Rice, Quincy Mogran, Antonio Bryant, Kevin Johnson, Willie Jackson, Eddie Kennison, Bert Emanuel, Brett Perriman and Andre Rison. That's a complete list from the last 20 years.

Edwards is the youngest besides Bryant and arguably the most talented (at the time of the trade) WR on that list.

So 12 Wrs in 20 years. But the next questions are #1) How many WRs changed teams during that 20 year period (mid-season)? and #2) How many of those WRs that did change teams were starters? If we find that only 14 starting WRs changed teams in 20 years and 12 of them averaged at least 25yards/game then it's not a bad stat.

 

[kaa]

I think the change might do Braylon good like the move to New England did for Randy Moss. I'm don't know about Edwards past brushes with the law. If this recent incident is the only one he has, then maybe frustrations with being a Brown contributed to his bad attitude.

There is absolutely a certain personality type that, when the going gets tough, they quit. Randy Moss might certainly be one of them. Put him on the Raiders, and instead of elevating the rest of the team, he just goes thru the motions and doesn't even try. Then put him on a winner and he is a stud again. There's always going to be people like that. That's just another challenge a coaching staff has to overcome. When they talk about getting players to buy into a system, its often this type of personality they are talking about. You've got to communicate to them where you are, where you want to be, how you will get there and the progress being made.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Too busy to do a full writeup here, but the last WRs to average at least 25 yards/gm for at least one team and play for multiple teams in a season: Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, Doug Gabriel, Jerry Rice, Quincy Mogran, Antonio Bryant, Kevin Johnson, Willie Jackson, Eddie Kennison, Bert Emanuel, Brett Perriman and Andre Rison. That's a complete list from the last 20 years.

Edwards is the youngest besides Bryant and arguably the most talented (at the time of the trade) WR on that list.

So 12 Wrs in 20 years. But the next questions are #1) How many WRs changed teams during that 20 year period (mid-season)? and #2) How many of those WRs that did change teams were starters? If we find that only 14 starting WRs changed teams in 20 years and 12 of them averaged at least 25yards/game then it's not a bad stat.

And how many of those guys at the time they were traded have the talent that Edwards has? Probably none. On top of that, he's going to a pretty good situation.

 

[Gr00vus]

Good deal for the Browns. They got something for nothing. Edwards was gone from Cle after the season free and clear, so getting a return is great for them.

Maybe Edwards gets his head together in NY, but I'd bet against it - it's not like there will be less distractions in NY. He's now the #2 option (maybe 3rd or even 4th depending on how you feel about Keller and Washington) on a team that probably would rather run the ball and let the QB be a caretaker his 1st season and that has a D that should keep the score down, meaning they won't have to throw a ton.

The big winner FF wise in all this could be Stuckey. He could end up getting WR 1 type targets, though he'll probably be limited in the TD department. Having a guy who can actually catch should also help out Anderson/Quinn.

 

[cvnpoka]

Wonder what it means for Robieskie - he was supposed to be the impact rookie not Masso. I think people are getting too hyped on Mass -- He was single covered all game with the #2 corner. Without 17 it will be much diffferent

against the bengals he worked against both corners. he torched leon hall multiple times. bengals corners stay on their side of the field, and dont follow recievers.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Wonder what it means for Robieskie - he was supposed to be the impact rookie not Masso. I think people are getting too hyped on Mass -- He was single covered all game with the #2 corner. Without 17 it will be much diffferent

This is my take as well. I think you'll see a rotation each week and never be sure who will get the targets or receptions.I think Cotchery takes a hit once Edwards is brought up to speed. A drop by Edwards is still a target that could have gone to Cotchery.

 

[cvnpoka]

Didn't the conventional thought use to be that Edwards was actually a high character guy?First you get reports that he was with Stallworth and then this latest incident. What the heck happened?

He is a high character guy. He really does alot for charities and such.

he also stayed at um for his senior year to earn a degree. the media loves that type of thing.

 

[massraider]

Wonder what it means for Robieskie - he was supposed to be the impact rookie not Masso. I think people are getting too hyped on Mass -- He was single covered all game with the #2 corner. Without 17 it will be much diffferent

against the bengals he worked against both corners. he torched leon hall multiple times. bengals corners stay on their side of the field, and dont follow recievers.

I'd like to know which camera angles people get to know that he was single-covered all game by the #2 guy. I don't get that option on my TV.

 

[Bobcat10]

Since kaa joined the mix...where has Bracie been these days? Or are they one in the same.. . . . ......so similar now that I think about it

 

[EBF]

He should add some punch to their offense.

 

[cvnpoka]

Didn't the conventional thought use to be that Edwards was actually a high character guy?

First you get reports that he was with Stallworth and then this latest incident. What the heck happened?

You hold that against Edwards? Seriously?

Could have just as easily been him. I'm think I'm safe saying Braylon wasn't the DD.

So if a group of guys get together and party, and one of them drives home drunk, then it's safe to assume that they all drove home drunk? Is this the line of thinking here?

Yes it is out of line thinking. You are right. But if I'm going to make an assumption in this case, knowing that Braylon likes to get his party on in town here, that's the side I'm going to assume on. Not looking for a pissing match here, just my opinion on the matter.

why dont you pay attention to facts rather than make assumptions. braylon had a hotel room where they were drinking that night/morning, so no, he didnt drive anywhere. he was being somewhat responsible about getting hammered and smoking pot.http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...s_he_was_o.html

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The Jets got off to a hot start, and they (and especially their offense) came crashing down to Earth last week.

Crashing down to earth? A rookie QB makes 2 big mistakes and a defense (missing their # 2 and 3 CB's and their best pash rusher) limits the best offense in football to 10 points on the road. It happens. If you think thats "crashing down to earth", I imagine you'll be a tad surprised monday night.

Good god, maybe they need to remove these team affiliation things since it apparently means you can't say anything about any team that is in any way related to them without everyone thinking you have an agenda.I don't give a **** what happens to the Dolphins on Monday night, we're talking about fantasy football here. I care a lot more about my fantasy football team than I do my real football team. The point is (well, the counterpoint to the guy I was responding to really), the Jets look a lot less stable now than the Cowboys did when they acquired Roy Williams last year, and Sanchez is not nearly as highly thought of as a fantasy producer as Romo was considered at the same time last year.For god's sake man, read the post to get my point. I don't care about the MNF game. If I post in that game thread, you can talk all the crap about the Dolphins that you want to there. I'm here to talk about the topic at hand.

 

[Bobcat10]

why dont you pay attention to facts rather than make assumptions. braylon had a hotel room where they were drinking that night/morning, so no, he didnt drive anywhere. he was being somewhat responsible about getting hammered and smoking pot.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...s_he_was_o.html

Never heard about that until today, Chach. Thanks! Doesn't sound like Adebisi did either.That really doesn't change anything though besides my assumption on that single night.

 

[NoFBinLA]

The Jets got off to a hot start, and they (and especially their offense) came crashing down to Earth last week.

Crashing down to earth? A rookie QB makes 2 big mistakes and a defense (missing their # 2 and 3 CB's and their best pash rusher) limits the best offense in football to 10 points on the road. It happens. If you think thats "crashing down to earth", I imagine you'll be a tad surprised monday night.

Good god, maybe they need to remove these team affiliation things since it apparently means you can't say anything about any team that is in any way related to them without everyone thinking you have an agenda.I don't give a **** what happens to the Dolphins on Monday night, we're talking about fantasy football here. I care a lot more about my fantasy football team than I do my real football team. The point is, the Jets look a lot less stable now than the Cowboys did when they acquired Roy Williams last year.For god's sake man, read the post to get my point. I don't care about the MNF game.

Not that I want to side with a DOLPHINS FAN and a BAGEL no less (free or not), but the Jets offense had the wheels come off last week. If you watch the games, it's been coming - the oline is not blocking well for the run and finally fell apart against a determined pass D on Sunday.Jets NEED to get the run going - Sanchize isn't supposed to be heaving the ball like Brees to win games. Clock and ball control with stout defense that's what they need.here's hoping Edwards can run block. I still say we didn't need him but I'll hop on the bandwagon and hope his presence loosens up the heavy dose of defensive players waiting for Jones and Washington at the line of scrimmage.

 

[Sweet Love]

I'd fire Mangini and clean house

This is why you're posting on a message board and not in an NFL FO.

they do not wish to do the hard work in turning the franchise around.

Actually, this was Edwards, not Mangini.

I agree here. The player was not willing to buy into the system. I am a Mangini apologist, but he was right in cleaning out Winslow and Edwards. They were great for a 4-12 team, but not the fabric of a 12-4 team. Not saying they can't complement great players and add a lot, just not "face-of-the-franchise" kind of guys. A 3rd and 5th and two roles players for a guy who may be suspended THIS year and just put up a goose egg in the last game. I would say it is even at best or tips to the favor of thr Browns.