Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets (1 Viewer)

[amnesiac]

So the Browns refuse to trade him for a 1st and 3rd round pick like what was offered in the offseason and now they give him up for this? A couple of role players and a 3rd and 5th? I don't see how any CLE fan can be happy with this at all.

Because the bolded part never happened...

got a lot of these posts with the whole DA thing too.were do people get these ideas?

 

[The Stookie Bros]

Edwards to start Monday night:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...t-monday-night/

He will defnitely change the way d's play the Jets going forward, which will help them open things up. If he can hold on to a few passes, even better.

From a fantasy perspective, WR2 or WR3, not much of an impact week to week, but may have a few big games here and there.

 

[NoFBinLA]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

Anyway, who knows WHAT happened but that sounds like Braylon pulled a Sanchez, however instead of trying to chop block Vilma, he threw a punch at some guy. Temper temper kids.Thanks for the info.

 

[knowledge dropper]

As a Bengals fan, I am much happier having Edwards out of the AFC North than I am worried about Eric Mangini having 2 additional draft picks at his disposal.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

7 pages and no mention of Favre?

 

[Bossman]

Maybe Mangini is a double agent and still getting a check from the Jets? That could explain the getting ripped off for Sanchez and now Edwards. Or maybe he is like the neighborhood kid you could always rip off trading baseball cards. You know the kid you could get a Pete Rose off of for Tom Hume and Enos Cabell.

Mangini =

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

As a Bengals fan, I am much happier having Edwards out of the AFC North than I am worried about Eric Mangini having 2 additional draft picks at his disposal.

As a Browns fan, I am much happier getting something for an overrated WR that was leaving town at the end of the year anyway.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Maybe Mangini is a double agent and still getting a check from the Jets? That could explain the getting ripped off for Sanchez and now Edwards. Or maybe he is like the neighborhood kid you could always rip off trading baseball cards. You know the kid you could get a Pete Rose off of for Tom Hume and Enos Cabell.

Mangini =

You two are not good with logic, huh?

 

[Bob Magaw]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

 

[Doug B]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

Enough with the drops. 16 drops out of what? 150+ targets? Big deal.I admit if I were a Cleveland fan, and had seen 16 heart-breaking drops at extremely inopportune times, I'd think more of the drops as a factor. But from here, there's just stats to me.

 

[drew726]

Since the Niners filed tampering charges against the Jets, how much did Crabtree signing with the Niners do you guys think made the Jets trade for Braylon?

 

[coachjim]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

Funny, thats very similar to what was being said about Moss befoe he landed in NE. Predictions of his demise, etc. It's interesting what a team with a winning attitude can do for a player's motivation and desire to perform.Not saying Edwards will have the same success as Moss after that trade, but it is certainly possible for him to return to the elite next year. The door is open. From a fantasy perspective, those are the types of things I look for.. guys with the skillset to be elite, and opportunity to succeed. Check, and check.

By trading Stuckey it seems to me that the Jets will need production from Braylon very soon. It makes their WR core very thin unless he steps in right away.

 

[MAC_32]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

Enough with the drops. 16 drops out of what? 150+ targets? Big deal.I admit if I were a Cleveland fan, and had seen 16 heart-breaking drops at extremely inopportune times, I'd think more of the drops as a factor. But from here, there's just stats to me.

How about the bad and lazy routes? the number of times he quit on plays? the stupid penalties? the number of times he stops mid route when the play's not going to him? the bonehead decisions on and off the field?If you think it's just the drops we're pissed off about you're talking out of your ###.

 

[schaef2k]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

Enough with the drops. 16 drops out of what? 150+ targets? Big deal.I admit if I were a Cleveland fan, and had seen 16 heart-breaking drops at extremely inopportune times, I'd think more of the drops as a factor. But from here, there's just stats to me.

How about the bad and lazy routes? the number of times he quit on plays? the stupid penalties? the number of times he stops mid route when the play's not going to him? the bonehead decisions on and off the field?If you think it's just the drops we're pissed off about you're talking out of your ###.

That's it really.

 

[MCguidance]

NOt sure if this was mentioned (prob was in 4 plus pages) but did anyone notice Greenie's #### eating grin when the news is announced?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4538498

Its in the video, pretty funny.

 

[MCguidance]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

Enough with the drops. 16 drops out of what? 150+ targets? Big deal.I admit if I were a Cleveland fan, and had seen 16 heart-breaking drops at extremely inopportune times, I'd think more of the drops as a factor. But from here, there's just stats to me.

How about the bad and lazy routes? the number of times he quit on plays? the stupid penalties? the number of times he stops mid route when the play's not going to him? the bonehead decisions on and off the field?If you think it's just the drops we're pissed off about you're talking out of your ###.

They guy continue to be terrible, but is this not what was basically said about Moss? Not sure about the off the field stuff, btu Moss was walking off the field with time left in the game, disappearing during games, just a bad time in OAK.I don't expect him to light the world on fire at first, but the guys was a first rate talent at an early age in the NFL. A LEGIT #1. You can't go out and get these types every day.

 

[Tecumseh]

Schefter on the Really Big Show says the 3rd round pick is "conditional".

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else in this thread, but ticker on ESPN is saying that it's a conditional 3rd OR 2nd.

According to an NFL source, the Jets gave up draft picks in the third and fifth rounds in the deal, Schefter reported. The third-round pick is a conditional pick and could turn into a second-round pick if Edwards catches a certain number of passes this season. That is said to be a high number, but if Edwards, the No. 3 pick in the 2005 draft, lights it up in New York the way the Jets are hoping, the Browns then would get a second-round pick in return.

 

[Bobcat10]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

No (although I'm not sure we can fairly judge Brady Quinn at this point of his career). I'm failing to see a point to your post regardless.And really, Quinn was Edwards QB for all of, what, 5-ish games? This is not just about this year and Quinn/Edwards 10 quarters.

 

[Bob Magaw]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

No (although I'm not sure we can fairly judge Brady Quinn at this point of his career). I'm failing to see a point to your post regardless.And really, Quinn was Edwards QB for all of, what, 5-ish games? This is not just about this year and Quinn/Edwards 10 quarters.

the point was that edwards hasn't exactly been positioned to succeed this season...quinn could still turn things around (though it will be tough on the bench), but i've seen enough to like edwards chances better with sanchez...* below addressed to thread at large... for edwards doubters, check the list in post #259 of this thread of post-merger WRs with 15+ receiving TDs, & see if there are any bums...i appreciate the negative opinions of edwards by some CLE fans (in some cases personal), for a player vocal about his desire to get out... but it is an entirely different question about his intrinsic talent, & what he might be capable of in a situation more conducive to his success...as to his being a locker room cancer, mangini had his share of detractors with the jets, as well (he was fired, after all )... maybe he just isn't a people person & lacks communication skills... its unlikely the jets locker room was filled with cancers, too...

 

[NoFBinLA]

Since the Niners filed tampering charges against the Jets, how much did Crabtree signing with the Niners do you guys think made the Jets trade for Braylon?

According to a lot of writers following the team, it's been in the works for a while - I don;t know how much - tho the timing of the announcement is odd.Jets couldn;'t have gotten Crabs anyway - not until March. Apparently rookies cannot be traded once signed or somesuch. Too tired to look up what the rule is.

 

[Yenrub]

for edwards doubters, check the list in post #259 of this thread of post-merger WRs with 15+ receiving TDs, & see if there are any bums...

How many of those guys never got close to the 15 TD mark before they actually posted the 15 TD season?Prior to his 16 TD season he caught 3 then 6

 

[Bob Magaw]

for edwards doubters, check the list in post #259 of this thread of post-merger WRs with 15+ receiving TDs, & see if there are any bums...

How many of those guys never got close to the 15 TD mark before they actually posted the 15 TD season?Prior to his 16 TD season he caught 3 then 6

the 2007 season in which he had 16 TDs was only his third...i wouldn't judge the 3 TD season (2005) too harshly, as he was just a rookie...

 

[massraider]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

No (although I'm not sure we can fairly judge Brady Quinn at this point of his career). I'm failing to see a point to your post regardless.And really, Quinn was Edwards QB for all of, what, 5-ish games? This is not just about this year and Quinn/Edwards 10 quarters.

the point was that edwards hasn't exactly been positioned to succeed this season...quinn could still turn things around (though it will be tough on the bench), but i've seen enough to like edwards chances better with sanchez...

* below addressed to thread at large...

for edwards doubters, check the list in post #259 of this thread of post-merger WRs with 15+ receiving TDs, & see if there are any bums...

i appreciate the negative opinions of edwards by some CLE fans (in some cases personal), for a player vocal about his desire to get out... but it is an entirely different question about his intrinsic talent, & what he might be capable of in a situation more conducive to his success...

as to his being a locker room cancer, mangini had his share of detractors with the jets, as well (he was fired, after all )... maybe he just isn't a people person & lacks communication skills... its unlikely the jets locker room was filled with cancers, too...

That Massaquoi kid seemed to be just fine with the crappy position CLE puts its WRs in. And Braylon looked a lot better with Anderson in 2007 than with Quinn in 2008? Well, Anderson might not have lost his job if Braylon had held on to a few of those TDs. And that's the thing: Any Braylon owner that watched the Browns (and certainly any CLE fan) will tell you---Edwards was dropping TDs. Not 6 yard slants on 1st and 10, but TDs. Wide-open, TDs.

One thing about that drop number: They are about as accurate as tackles. I dunno who keeps track of that stat, but they are pretty forgiving. There were more than 16 balls in 2008 that Braylon should have had. I have watched enough games where I saw a ton of drops, and then heard there were only two drops in the game, to know that stat is crap.

 

[Bob Magaw]

it was mentioned upthread, but WRs like TO, bowe & moss (santana), as well as TE dallas clark also have a lot of drops in recent seasons...

i just think it is misleading to look at edward's drops as the sole source of the browns problems...

there is plenty of blame to go around, on offense & defense...

i wish mass well, but he may find the going harder without the element of surprise, or edwards across from him drawing coverage away...

 

[Two Deep]

Seems to me Cleveland is throwing out the trash. Probably a bad egg.

Confirmation: Todays article on Edwardshttp://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale....xml&coll=2

 

[Reaper]

As a Bengals fan, I am much happier having Edwards out of the AFC North than I am worried about Eric Mangini having 2 additional draft picks at his disposal.

Edwards was leaving anyway....

Best case for you would have been for Edwards to be untradeable and Cle stuck with a guy who didn't want to be there..

Mangini's drafts have been above average IMO - Gholston was the only bad pick and he was pretty much the concensus pick at that spot. Kellen Clemens was a shot ata QB that's always a risk that late and Anthony Shlegel in my mind was a bad 3rd round pick but, was a classic Mangini piock of a guy who lives and breathes FOOTBALL.

Mangini was instrumental in bringing Calvin Pace and Kris Jenkins to the Jets - Jenkins Loved Mangini and was pretty upset and sad when he was fired (before he met Rex of course)

Look at these drafts and the Jets D right now - Jenkins, Pace, Revis, Harris are all Pro Bowl caliber and Lowery, Coleman and Smith are big contributers...

Offense - Leon Washington, Keller, D'Brick, Mangold and Brad Smith..

He pretty much rebuilt the team's core with 3 drafts and a few FA's...

2008 1 1 6 6 Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State

2 1 30 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue

3 4 14 113 Dwight Lowery DB San Jose State

4 5 27 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee

5 6 5 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas

6 7 4 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas

2007 1 1 14 14 Darrelle Revis DB Pittsburgh

2 2 15 47 David Harris LB Michigan

3 6 3 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State

4 7 25 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson

2006 1 1 4 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia

2 1 29 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State

3 2 17 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon

4 3 12 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State

5 3 33 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State

6 4 6 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri

7 4 20 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State

8 5 18 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin

9 6 20 189 Drew Coleman DB Texas Christian

10 7 12 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska

 

[wadegarrett]

He had some traffic tickets, but googling Braylon, I don't see any other criminal acts than the recent one. I'm not ready to come down hard on Braylon for hitting the guy. The guy he hit LeBron says is about 130 lbs, so he's a little guy, maybe he had what I call "little guy attitude", they're just over 5', can't seem to go 5 minutes without mentioning that they wrestled in high school and act like a jerk-off to anyone that has the audacity to be over 6' tall. One of these "mighty mites" as a hanger on to LeBRon, might deserve to get cold cocked.

FWIW Rotoworld is reporting that the Newark Star-Ledger is saying this:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Braylon Edwards did not throw the punch that struck Cleveland nightclub promoter Edward Givens in their alleged dispute on Monday morning.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Star-Ledger that a member of Edwards' entourage hit Givens. The Jets were well aware of Edwards' situation before trading for him on Wednesday, and GM Mike Tannenbaum is "convinced he's not the bad guy he has been painted as." If Edwards did not throw the punch, he shouldn't be in danger of any league-imposed discipline.

Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I'm not saying I think b/c he's a Jet now he's innocent or something. I have no idea and haven't been following this nonsense. But I wonder if there is more to it.

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

WKNR contributor Sabrina Parr talking to police about Braylon Edwards' altercation early Monday morning

Cleveland.com

Sabrina Parr, a contributor to ESPN 850 WKNR-AM, is being questioned by police after giving her eyewitness account of the Braylon Edwards' altercation outside The View on "The Really Big Show" this morning with Tony Rizzo and Aaron Goldhammer.

"I've just been told it's a police matter and they're investigating further," said station general manager Keith Williams.

Parr, who has been vocal on the air about her on-and-off relationship with cornerback Brandon McDonald, said she saw Edwards punch LeBron James' friend Edward Givens after the bar closed.

She said Edwards eavesdropped on Givens' conversation with someone about James outside the club early Monday morning. She added that Edwards went over voluntarily and began telling Givens he would be nothing without James. She said Edwards' agent tried to get him in his car to leave. Instead, Edwards punched Givens, Parr said.

Parr said she talked to Edwards earlier in the evening at the club and that he said disparaging things about the coaching staff and the quarterbacks. She said Edwards said he had no room for improvement and that he didn't take any blame for his drops.

She said she got into a disagreement with him about his views of how he was playing.

Parr was the first eyewitness of the event to go on record.

 

[massraider]

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

WKNR contributor Sabrina Parr talking to police about Braylon Edwards' altercation early Monday morning

Cleveland.com

Sabrina Parr, a contributor to ESPN 850 WKNR-AM, is being questioned by police after giving her eyewitness account of the Braylon Edwards' altercation outside The View on "The Really Big Show" this morning with Tony Rizzo and Aaron Goldhammer.

"I've just been told it's a police matter and they're investigating further," said station general manager Keith Williams.

Parr, who has been vocal on the air about her on-and-off relationship with cornerback Brandon McDonald, said she saw Edwards punch LeBron James' friend Edward Givens after the bar closed.

She said Edwards eavesdropped on Givens' conversation with someone about James outside the club early Monday morning. She added that Edwards went over voluntarily and began telling Givens he would be nothing without James. She said Edwards' agent tried to get him in his car to leave. Instead, Edwards punched Givens, Parr said.

Parr said she talked to Edwards earlier in the evening at the club and that he said disparaging things about the coaching staff and the quarterbacks. She said Edwards said he had no room for improvement and that he didn't take any blame for his drops.

She said she got into a disagreement with him about his views of how he was playing.

Parr was the first eyewitness of the event to go on record.

If that is what this woman said, I don't believe the bolded above, that she is a friend of Braylon's.

 

[GoBirds]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

No (although I'm not sure we can fairly judge Brady Quinn at this point of his career). I'm failing to see a point to your post regardless.And really, Quinn was Edwards QB for all of, what, 5-ish games? This is not just about this year and Quinn/Edwards 10 quarters.

the point was that edwards hasn't exactly been positioned to succeed this season...quinn could still turn things around (though it will be tough on the bench), but i've seen enough to like edwards chances better with sanchez...

* below addressed to thread at large...

for edwards doubters, check the list in post #259 of this thread of post-merger WRs with 15+ receiving TDs, & see if there are any bums...

i appreciate the negative opinions of edwards by some CLE fans (in some cases personal), for a player vocal about his desire to get out... but it is an entirely different question about his intrinsic talent, & what he might be capable of in a situation more conducive to his success...

as to his being a locker room cancer, mangini had his share of detractors with the jets, as well (he was fired, after all )... maybe he just isn't a people person & lacks communication skills... its unlikely the jets locker room was filled with cancers, too...

That Massaquoi kid seemed to be just fine with the crappy position CLE puts its WRs in. And Braylon looked a lot better with Anderson in 2007 than with Quinn in 2008? Well, Anderson might not have lost his job if Braylon had held on to a few of those TDs. And that's the thing: Any Braylon owner that watched the Browns (and certainly any CLE fan) will tell you---Edwards was dropping TDs. Not 6 yard slants on 1st and 10, but TDs. Wide-open, TDs.

One thing about that drop number: They are about as accurate as tackles. I dunno who keeps track of that stat, but they are pretty forgiving. There were more than 16 balls in 2008 that Braylon should have had. I have watched enough games where I saw a ton of drops, and then heard there were only two drops in the game, to know that stat is crap.

looked fine in 1 game? Congrats, great point.

 

[Franknbeans]

Jay Glazer: I know Braylon Edwards is pretty much the happiest human being on the planet right about now, and I'd say that Chansi Stuckey is pretty much the saddest.

Braylon's always been wanting to play in a big city like the Big Apple for his whole career — wanting to be that high-profile guy. He's certainly a deep threat, but has had problems with dropped passes — he's basically had a case of the yips. Hopefully the Jets can do a better job than the Browns of finding a cure.

But once again, the Jets get a great value and a heck of a deal in working a trade with Cleveland. And what's up with Eric Mangini — he gets fired from the Jets, then he keeps helping the Jets?

 

[RUSF18]

So the Browns refuse to trade him for a 1st and 3rd round pick like what was offered in the offseason and now they give him up for this? A couple of role players and a 3rd and 5th? I don't see how any CLE fan can be happy with this at all.

Because the bolded part never happened...

got a lot of these posts with the whole DA thing too.were do people get these ideas?

And even if it did happen, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't have done this deal today. Maybe they thought he would bounce back, or that they could compete this year and they needed him, but now realize (especially with the off the field stuff) that they are better off without him and they'll lose him after the season anyway. Refusing to do a deal because you're getting back less than you could have at another point is an easy way to destroy a team. It's like reaching for a guy in the 3rd round and then keeping him in your lineup all season despite his lack of production, just so you don't have to admit you messed up.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Some thoughts on WRs switching teams in mid-season: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

 

[Bobcat10]

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

WKNR contributor Sabrina Parr talking to police about Braylon Edwards' altercation early Monday morning

Cleveland.com

Sabrina Parr, a contributor to ESPN 850 WKNR-AM, is being questioned by police after giving her eyewitness account of the Braylon Edwards' altercation outside The View on "The Really Big Show" this morning with Tony Rizzo and Aaron Goldhammer.

"I've just been told it's a police matter and they're investigating further," said station general manager Keith Williams.

Parr, who has been vocal on the air about her on-and-off relationship with cornerback Brandon McDonald, said she saw Edwards punch LeBron James' friend Edward Givens after the bar closed.

She said Edwards eavesdropped on Givens' conversation with someone about James outside the club early Monday morning. She added that Edwards went over voluntarily and began telling Givens he would be nothing without James. She said Edwards' agent tried to get him in his car to leave. Instead, Edwards punched Givens, Parr said.

Parr said she talked to Edwards earlier in the evening at the club and that he said disparaging things about the coaching staff and the quarterbacks. She said Edwards said he had no room for improvement and that he didn't take any blame for his drops.

She said she got into a disagreement with him about his views of how he was playing.

Parr was the first eyewitness of the event to go on record.

If that is what this woman said, I don't believe the bolded above, that she is a friend of Braylon's.

I do believe that she would have looked better overall (she's getting crushed by a few personalities locally) if she told the story about the incident only, without giving all the info on her and Braylon's "private" conversation. That seems like something a friend wouldn't go public with. So I agree with you if that is what you are saying.That said, she also said she would have defended Braylon if it was warranted. If that was the case, would she have defended Braylon and then still spit out the "private" conversation? I'm not sure.

 

[Bobcat10]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

No (although I'm not sure we can fairly judge Brady Quinn at this point of his career). I'm failing to see a point to your post regardless.And really, Quinn was Edwards QB for all of, what, 5-ish games? This is not just about this year and Quinn/Edwards 10 quarters.

the point was that edwards hasn't exactly been positioned to succeed this season...quinn could still turn things around (though it will be tough on the bench), but i've seen enough to like edwards chances better with sanchez...

I can agree with that. I believe Braylon has the possibility of turning it around this year. I don't the odds are in his favor, but he is now in a better situation on paper. The problem he has is he does alot of things wrong and he seems to have the wrong mindset, not just the dropped passes people talk about.

 

[massraider]

Can't find the audio from this morning's Tony Rizzo show (local Cleveland), but Sabrina (who works for the station and also dates Brandon McDonald) was at the club that night and gave her story of what happened. She is friends with both Givens and Braylon apparently, so really had nothing to gain by coming forth. I missed the part of who hit who, but what Braylon was telling her after the incident was pretty hilarious. It also sounded as if Braylon was very much in the wrong as they were concluding the segment and she said she'd defend Braylon if Givens was in the wrong. If I can find a link, I'll definitely post it. Right now there is nothing on wknr.com. Not sure where else to look.

WKNR contributor Sabrina Parr talking to police about Braylon Edwards' altercation early Monday morning

Cleveland.com

Sabrina Parr, a contributor to ESPN 850 WKNR-AM, is being questioned by police after giving her eyewitness account of the Braylon Edwards' altercation outside The View on "The Really Big Show" this morning with Tony Rizzo and Aaron Goldhammer.

"I've just been told it's a police matter and they're investigating further," said station general manager Keith Williams.

Parr, who has been vocal on the air about her on-and-off relationship with cornerback Brandon McDonald, said she saw Edwards punch LeBron James' friend Edward Givens after the bar closed.

She said Edwards eavesdropped on Givens' conversation with someone about James outside the club early Monday morning. She added that Edwards went over voluntarily and began telling Givens he would be nothing without James. She said Edwards' agent tried to get him in his car to leave. Instead, Edwards punched Givens, Parr said.

Parr said she talked to Edwards earlier in the evening at the club and that he said disparaging things about the coaching staff and the quarterbacks. She said Edwards said he had no room for improvement and that he didn't take any blame for his drops.

She said she got into a disagreement with him about his views of how he was playing.

Parr was the first eyewitness of the event to go on record.

If that is what this woman said, I don't believe the bolded above, that she is a friend of Braylon's.

I do believe that she would have looked better overall (she's getting crushed by a few personalities locally) if she told the story about the incident only, without giving all the info on her and Braylon's "private" conversation. That seems like something a friend wouldn't go public with. So I agree with you if that is what you are saying.That said, she also said she would have defended Braylon if it was warranted. If that was the case, would she have defended Braylon and then still spit out the "private" conversation? I'm not sure.

That's all I am saying, doesn't sound like something a friend would say. But hey, maybe she is a friend, and was angry he popped one of her other friends. Not doubting her statement, just observing it doesn't sound like the actions of a friend. Frankly, I don't care. I have Braylon in two dynasty teams, he can punch all the nightclub promoters he wants, long as he uses those hands to catch a ball or three sometime soon.

 

[Banger]

Some thoughts on WRs switching teams in mid-season: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

those type of analysis are always interesting but every situation is unique IMO and to paint this with the broad brush against all other WRs that have changed midseason is not too predictive on how this situation will play out. On of the most important thing is the system they are coming from and moving to especially in moving mid-season. If you have to make a move to a new team and learn a completely new system it's going to be very difficult to get on the field much, yet produce....how many on that last move from and to the same system? I'd imagine not many. As of yesterday, the day of the trade, Edwards was supposedly going to be the starting WR. How many on that list have as much talent as Edwards does? I'd imagine not many. How many are going from an absolutely awful situation where the team is imploding to a very good one where he's given a good chance to succeed? I could go on. It's interesting to look at the stats but they are just that ...stats and are no way indicative of what will occur in this situation....this one has a chance to succeed much moreso than others on that list for a number of reasons. I would look at the Favre situation as a closer situation and better comparison...talented player, moving teams - not midseason but a week or two before the regular season at a more difficult position and the most important thing .... the same system he was familiar with. He's been able to have success even at his older age so there's no reason Edwards can't have success as well.

 

[Doug B]

How about the bad and lazy routes? the number of times he quit on plays? the stupid penalties? the number of times he stops mid route when the play's not going to him? the bonehead decisions on and off the field?If you think it's just the drops we're pissed off about you're talking out of your ###.

Link to where all this stuff was being posted about in late 2007?...Sorry, man -- dude was intentionally trying to make his way out of Cleveland.

 

[MAC_32]

How about the bad and lazy routes? the number of times he quit on plays? the stupid penalties? the number of times he stops mid route when the play's not going to him? the bonehead decisions on and off the field?If you think it's just the drops we're pissed off about you're talking out of your ###.

Link to where all this stuff was being posted about in late 2007?...Sorry, man -- dude was intentionally trying to make his way out of Cleveland.

Umm, things change? A big season went to his head? He did some great things in 2007, but this isn't 2007 anymore. He's been a liability since.I think point #2 is likely true and have felt that way since sometime in 2008. However, if that's the case what's the problem with trading him? Selling low's better than not selling at all when the return's going to be somewhere between little and possibly negative.

 

[Doug B]

I think point #2 is likely true and have felt that way since sometime in 2008. However, if that's the case what's the problem with trading him? Selling low's better than not selling at all when the return's going to be somewhere between little and possibly negative.

No problem at all with trading him. What I am speaking against is everyone throwing dirt on his career.However, I have just read the Plain Dealer article. While the writer is sowing tons of sour grapes (again, where was all this bad stuff was under wraps when Edwards was producing?), there's a lot to be concerned about. I am hoping Rex Ryan can be a baby Belichick who can win the hearts and minds of wayward, "football-second" players.

Edwards should have enough pride to realize that he can't be the superstar he wants to be without on-field production.

 

[MAC_32]

I think point #2 is likely true and have felt that way since sometime in 2008. However, if that's the case what's the problem with trading him? Selling low's better than not selling at all when the return's going to be somewhere between little and possibly negative.

No problem at all with trading him. What I am speaking against is everyone throwing dirt on his career.However, I have just read the Plain Dealer article. While the writer is sowing tons of sour grapes (again, where was all this bad stuff was under wraps when Edwards was producing?), there's a lot to be concerned about. I am hoping Rex Ryan can be a baby Belichick who can win the hearts and minds of wayward, "football-second" players.

Edwards should have enough pride to realize that he can't be the superstar he wants to be without on-field production.

Negative talk re Edwards has been present locally off and on since he was drafted, nationally it was ignored because we're the Browns. The only time the national media really paid attention to us was during the period when Braylon was producing and not being a distraction, on and off the field.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Some thoughts on WRs switching teams in mid-season: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

those type of analysis are always interesting but every situation is unique IMO and to paint this with the broad brush against all other WRs that have changed midseason is not too predictive on how this situation will play out. On of the most important thing is the system they are coming from and moving to especially in moving mid-season. If you have to make a move to a new team and learn a completely new system it's going to be very difficult to get on the field much, yet produce....how many on that last move from and to the same system? I'd imagine not many. As of yesterday, the day of the trade, Edwards was supposedly going to be the starting WR. How many on that list have as much talent as Edwards does? I'd imagine not many. How many are going from an absolutely awful situation where the team is imploding to a very good one where he's given a good chance to succeed? I could go on. It's interesting to look at the stats but they are just that ...stats and are no way indicative of what will occur in this situation....this one has a chance to succeed much moreso than others on that list for a number of reasons. I would look at the Favre situation as a closer situation and better comparison...talented player, moving teams - not midseason but a week or two before the regular season at a more difficult position and the most important thing .... the same system he was familiar with. He's been able to have success even at his older age so there's no reason Edwards can't have success as well.

I'm not trying to predict how Edwards will play this year. I'm just seeing how often this has happened before.

 

[Banger]

Some thoughts on WRs switching teams in mid-season: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

those type of analysis are always interesting but every situation is unique IMO and to paint this with the broad brush against all other WRs that have changed midseason is not too predictive on how this situation will play out. On of the most important thing is the system they are coming from and moving to especially in moving mid-season. If you have to make a move to a new team and learn a completely new system it's going to be very difficult to get on the field much, yet produce....how many on that last move from and to the same system? I'd imagine not many. As of yesterday, the day of the trade, Edwards was supposedly going to be the starting WR. How many on that list have as much talent as Edwards does? I'd imagine not many. How many are going from an absolutely awful situation where the team is imploding to a very good one where he's given a good chance to succeed? I could go on. It's interesting to look at the stats but they are just that ...stats and are no way indicative of what will occur in this situation....this one has a chance to succeed much moreso than others on that list for a number of reasons. I would look at the Favre situation as a closer situation and better comparison...talented player, moving teams - not midseason but a week or two before the regular season at a more difficult position and the most important thing .... the same system he was familiar with. He's been able to have success even at his older age so there's no reason Edwards can't have success as well.

I'm not trying to predict how Edwards will play this year. I'm just seeing how often this has happened before.

Understood and I appreciate that analysis, it was great. My point is that many may look at that as a comparison to use as a predictor of how he may do and I think that's a mistake without digging a little deeper into the individual situation.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Edwards was leaving anyway....

Best case for you would have been for Edwards to be untradeable and Cle stuck with a guy who didn't want to be there..

Mangini's drafts have been above average IMO - Gholston was the only bad pick and he was pretty much the concensus pick at that spot. Kellen Clemens was a shot ata QB that's always a risk that late and Anthony Shlegel in my mind was a bad 3rd round pick but, was a classic Mangini piock of a guy who lives and breathes FOOTBALL.

Mangini was instrumental in bringing Calvin Pace and Kris Jenkins to the Jets - Jenkins Loved Mangini and was pretty upset and sad when he was fired (before he met Rex of course)

Look at these drafts and the Jets D right now - Jenkins, Pace, Revis, Harris are all Pro Bowl caliber and Lowery, Coleman and Smith are big contributers...

Offense - Leon Washington, Keller, D'Brick, Mangold and Brad Smith..

He pretty much rebuilt the team's core with 3 drafts and a few FA's...

2008 1 1 6 6 Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State

2 1 30 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue

3 4 14 113 Dwight Lowery DB San Jose State

4 5 27 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee

5 6 5 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas

6 7 4 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas

2007 1 1 14 14 Darrelle Revis DB Pittsburgh

2 2 15 47 David Harris LB Michigan

3 6 3 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State

4 7 25 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson

2006 1 1 4 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia

2 1 29 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State

3 2 17 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon

4 3 12 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State

5 3 33 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State

6 4 6 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri

7 4 20 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State

8 5 18 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin

9 6 20 189 Drew Coleman DB Texas Christian

10 7 12 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska

i have to give credit where credit is due...names like revis, harris, mangold, ferguson, keller & washington jump off the page...

i wonder if he outsmarted himself not taking sanchez, & question the draconian fine antics, but no question that is an impressive recent draft record (did mangini have complete control over the draft, or shared with GM - bradway?)...

 

[two_dollars]

It amazes me how much pull Lebron has in Cleveland. Edwards roughed up his boy and BAM! he's traded. Coincidence? I don't think so. Lebron owns Cleveland, all of it. I just wonder if Lebron sent him a text first telling him about the trade.

 

[Banger]

It amazes me how much pull Lebron has in Cleveland. Edwards roughed up his boy and BAM! he's traded. Coincidence? I don't think so. Lebron owns Cleveland, all of it. I just wonder if Lebron sent him a text first telling him about the trade.

Then he texted Lebron back and said "awesome news...see you in NY next year".

 

[amnesiac]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

 

[Native]

It amazes me how much pull Lebron has in Cleveland. Edwards roughed up his boy and BAM! he's traded. Coincidence? I don't think so. Lebron owns Cleveland, all of it. I just wonder if Lebron sent him a text first telling him about the trade.

Then he texted Lebron back and said "awesome news...see you in NY next year".

ray:

 

[Bob Magaw]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

so was that a yes, no or a maybe?

 

[amnesiac]

However, I have just read the Plain Dealer article. While the writer is sowing tons of sour grapes (again, where was all this bad stuff was under wraps when Edwards was producing?)

from what i have seen, this is standard operating procedure. they really don't like to reveal the behind the scenes stuff until the player is traded.once they are gone, however, it becomes slag city. same thing happened with Winslow.