Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets (1 Viewer)

[amnesiac]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

so was that a yes, no or a maybe?

i think at this stage in their careers, comparing Quinn to Montana/Young/Brady is as silly as comparing Edwards to Rice and Moss.

 

[Franknbeans]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

 

[Reaper]

Edwards was leaving anyway....

Best case for you would have been for Edwards to be untradeable and Cle stuck with a guy who didn't want to be there..

Mangini's drafts have been above average IMO - Gholston was the only bad pick and he was pretty much the concensus pick at that spot. Kellen Clemens was a shot ata QB that's always a risk that late and Anthony Shlegel in my mind was a bad 3rd round pick but, was a classic Mangini piock of a guy who lives and breathes FOOTBALL.

Mangini was instrumental in bringing Calvin Pace and Kris Jenkins to the Jets - Jenkins Loved Mangini and was pretty upset and sad when he was fired (before he met Rex of course)

Look at these drafts and the Jets D right now - Jenkins, Pace, Revis, Harris are all Pro Bowl caliber and Lowery, Coleman and Smith are big contributers...

Offense - Leon Washington, Keller, D'Brick, Mangold and Brad Smith..

He pretty much rebuilt the team's core with 3 drafts and a few FA's...

2008 1 1 6 6 Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State

2 1 30 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue

3 4 14 113 Dwight Lowery DB San Jose State

4 5 27 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee

5 6 5 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas

6 7 4 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas

2007 1 1 14 14 Darrelle Revis DB Pittsburgh

2 2 15 47 David Harris LB Michigan

3 6 3 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State

4 7 25 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson

2006 1 1 4 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia

2 1 29 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State

3 2 17 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon

4 3 12 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State

5 3 33 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State

6 4 6 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri

7 4 20 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State

8 5 18 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin

9 6 20 189 Drew Coleman DB Texas Christian

10 7 12 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska

i have to give credit where credit is due...names like revis, harris, mangold, ferguson, keller & washington jump off the page...

i wonder if he outsmarted himself not taking sanchez, & question the draconian fine antics, but no question that is an impressive recent draft record (did mangini have complete control over the draft, or shared with GM - bradway?)...

Mangini IMO had control to make the moves - Tannenbaum is an accountant with an opinion and Bradway is relegated to scout with an opinion.... At the end he may have lost some control with the Favre thing and all but, managment wanted a QB and a star.Tough call on Sanchez - And the jury is still out but, sheesh, at one point in all this if you but Derek Anderson on the table over Sanchez plus all the picks and less money, I'm not sure people don't go for that.

To be fair, Mangini goes to a team with a guy who's done it before and a pretty high well know draft pick, does he really have QB on the mind as priority yet?

I won't stick up for Mangini's people skillz and his attempt to be Bellichik, nor his on field coaching skills but, I'm fairly confident he's good at identifying talent and knows the game of football... What Mangini lacks I think can be corrected - In other words, he's no Herm Edwards!!!!!

 

[Groundpounder]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232A little shocking to see he isn't on the list.

 

[Franknbeans]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232

1 Santonio Holmes Pit 5 2t Michael Clayton TB 4

2t Louis Murphy Oak 4

2t Terrell Owens Buf 4

2t Robert Royal Cle 4

6t Cedric Benson Cin 3

6t Laveranues Coles Cin 3

6t Vernon Davis SF 3

6t Julian Edelman NE 3

6t Justin Gage Ten 3

6t James Jones GB 3

6t Mario Manningham NYG 3

6t Randy McMichael StL 3

6t Jordy Nelson GB 3

6t Chad Ochocinco Cin 3

6t Sean Ryan KC 3

6t Steve Smith Car 3

6t Bobby Wade KC 3

6t Roddy White Atl 3

6t Kellen Winslow TB 3

Hmmmm, no Edwards on there

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

I heard last night that the number is one.

 

[JMJ]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

 

[MAC_32]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

The one listing with him with 0 is hilarious. Queue up offensive play #2 from Sunday and convince me that's not a drop. Please?

 

[Bobcat10]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

It's absolutely not 0 this year. Anderson's first pass Sunday hit him between the nipples and clanked to the ground.You also have to remember these stats are very subjective. Even if a drop is clearly defined (a catch that should be made?), one could look at the play differently. As Mary Kay Cabot said in her article, last year Braylon could have been charged with 16-24 drops depending on who you ask or how you charted them.

 

[JMJ]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

The one listing with him with 0 is hilarious. Queue up offensive play #2 from Sunday and convince me that's not a drop. Please?

The list didn't say 0, it looks like they just put the cut off at 2 or more. That is why I said "0 with a max of 1."Maybe he has 1.

 

[RUSF18]

That's all I am saying, doesn't sound like something a friend would say. But hey, maybe she is a friend, and was angry he popped one of her other friends. Not doubting her statement, just observing it doesn't sound like the actions of a friend. Frankly, I don't care. I have Braylon in two dynasty teams, he can punch all the nightclub promoters he wants, long as he uses those hands to catch a ball or three sometime soon.

I know nothing about this woman or the Cleveland radio situation, but could it be possible that she got a little overzealous in terms of getting additional airtime that she didn't realize until after the fact that she was hurting her friend?

 

[Paul Brown]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

The one listing with him with 0 is hilarious. Queue up offensive play #2 from Sunday and convince me that's not a drop. Please?

The list didn't say 0, it looks like they just put the cut off at 2 or more. That is why I said "0 with a max of 1."Maybe he has at least 1.

fixed

 

[Bobcat10]

That's all I am saying, doesn't sound like something a friend would say. But hey, maybe she is a friend, and was angry he popped one of her other friends. Not doubting her statement, just observing it doesn't sound like the actions of a friend. Frankly, I don't care. I have Braylon in two dynasty teams, he can punch all the nightclub promoters he wants, long as he uses those hands to catch a ball or three sometime soon.

I know nothing about this woman or the Cleveland radio situation, but could it be possible that she got a little overzealous in terms of getting additional airtime that she didn't realize until after the fact that she was hurting her friend?

From what has been said on air, the host and probably others, clearly told her before hand there could be consequences for what she talked about. I also heard she was coming on air again today to clear up some stuff, although I didn't hear it, maybe Wade can give us any important items if he heard.

 

[Bob Magaw]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

so was that a yes, no or a maybe?

i think at this stage in their careers, comparing Quinn to Montana/Young/Brady is as silly as comparing Edwards to Rice and Moss.

it would be just as silly to expect edwards to do as well IF his QB isn't as good...how long do you need to determine quinn may not be as good as montana/young & brady? would two years, three years be enough? what if he sits like leinart? maybe 4-5 years? people need to make decisions about whether to acquire or avoid a player over much shorter time frames... if you can make a quicker inference (like say, faster than a couple years ) about whether edwards stats were held down THIS year by quinn (i don't have a good answer why edwards didn't do as well with anderson in '07 but not in '08... there was some talk of the heel injury from the pre-season race with stallworth in which he was spiked, but no idea how much if even at all it contributed), that might impact on your decision about whether to acquire him quickly... or not?i'm going to go out on a limb & take the bold, controversial stance that quinn's career will not unfold anything like the other QBs cited above... even if i had never seen any of them (not true in all cases), i would probably be right playing the percentages... that isn't silly, & i think is the point you may be missing...of course, this question is a bit academic... we don't need to wait on quinn... we get to see how edwards does with sanchez pretty much immediately (he starts for next MNF game)... there again, though, making inferences about edwards & sanchez quickly, & not in a year or two, could make a big difference on prospective moves fantasy players might make or not... if he does no better with sanchez, even if sanchez is hypothetically better, than a hasty acquisition could blow up in your face... if you wait too long, & he returns to '07 form, obviously the risk is he could become a lot more expensive going forward... his price could rise dramatically in as little as a few weeks to a month, depending on how things unfold...

 

[RUSF18]

That's all I am saying, doesn't sound like something a friend would say. But hey, maybe she is a friend, and was angry he popped one of her other friends. Not doubting her statement, just observing it doesn't sound like the actions of a friend. Frankly, I don't care. I have Braylon in two dynasty teams, he can punch all the nightclub promoters he wants, long as he uses those hands to catch a ball or three sometime soon.

I know nothing about this woman or the Cleveland radio situation, but could it be possible that she got a little overzealous in terms of getting additional airtime that she didn't realize until after the fact that she was hurting her friend?

From what has been said on air, the host and probably others, clearly told her before hand there could be consequences for what she talked about. I also heard she was coming on air again today to clear up some stuff, although I didn't hear it, maybe Wade can give us any important items if he heard.

Thanks. Like I said, just speculating on my part. I could see if I was kind of a background type guy at a radio station and all of a sudden I had a first-hand account to share about a fairly major local story, jumping at that opportunity without thinking it through.

 

[MAC_32]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

It's absolutely not 0 this year. Anderson's first pass Sunday hit him between the nipples and clanked to the ground.You also have to remember these stats are very subjective. Even if a drop is clearly defined (a catch that should be made?), one could look at the play differently. As Mary Kay Cabot said in her article, last year Braylon could have been charged with 16-24 drops depending on who you ask or how you charted them.

Yep, then there's bad and lazy routes that lead to INT's. Like the first possession vs. Baltimore. Yea, Quinn stared him down and Landry (I think?) read his eyes the whole way. However, Braylon cuts that route off where he's supposed to and at the very least it's an incompletion. Instead he runs too far and lazily turns around making it look like Quinn threw it right to the defender when in actuality Braylon was supposed to stop at the 1st down marker, not 5 yds beyond it. Happened all the time with DA last year too, seemed like any time a slant to Braylon was called he rounded off the route and just let the defender get between him and the ball. Easy INT, every time.Stats lie, what happens on the field does not.

 

[cstu]

Best case scenario for Edwards would be Wes Chander. He made the Pro Bowl at 23 and traded at 25, very similar to Edwards who was a Pro Bowl WR at 24 and traded at 26. Both were the 3rd overall player taken in the draft.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

again, do any CLE fans think rice & moss would have been breaking records with quinn throwing to them instead of montana/young & brady?

Do they throw an undroppable ball?

so was that a yes, no or a maybe?

The answer is obviously no. However, are you comparing Sanchez to Montana/Young and Brady? Also, are you comparing Edwards to Moss and Rice?If you want an honest answer about Edwards prospects going forward with the Jets then I would say he has a decent chance of succeeding but you can't deny his past problems. What is going to happen to his confidence and ego when he drops a ball on a game changing play? I'm sure the New York fans will be there to pat him on the back and tell him everything will be okay.

 

[Bobcat10]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

Looks like 0 with 1 as a max. Link below takes you to a list of all NFL players but you can sort it by NFC and AFC. Even when sorted by AFC the player at the bottom has 2 and Braylon is not listed thus meaning he has 1 or less.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...k=232&year=

It's absolutely not 0 this year. Anderson's first pass Sunday hit him between the nipples and clanked to the ground.You also have to remember these stats are very subjective. Even if a drop is clearly defined (a catch that should be made?), one could look at the play differently. As Mary Kay Cabot said in her article, last year Braylon could have been charged with 16-24 drops depending on who you ask or how you charted them.

Yep, then there's bad and lazy routes that lead to INT's. Like the first possession vs. Baltimore. Yea, Quinn stared him down and Landry (I think?) read his eyes the whole way. However, Braylon cuts that route off where he's supposed to and at the very least it's an incompletion. Instead he runs too far and lazily turns around making it look like Quinn threw it right to the defender when in actuality Braylon was supposed to stop at the 1st down marker, not 5 yds beyond it. Happened all the time with DA last year too, seemed like any time a slant to Braylon was called he rounded off the route and just let the defender get between him and the ball. Easy INT, every time.Stats lie, what happens on the field does not.

There was a breakdown of that single play somewhere, maybe in the PD. It was interesting and probably accurate. It basically did blame that INT on Braylon for multiple reasons. One giveaway that it was his fault was that Quinn through to a spot and you see Braylon plant on the wrong foot, the foot that would put him in the other direction.

 

[GoBirds]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

 

[Kirby]

just to add some facts, does anyone know how many drops Braylon has THIS year?

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232

1 Santonio Holmes Pit 5 2t Michael Clayton TB 4

2t Louis Murphy Oak 4

2t Terrell Owens Buf 4

2t Robert Royal Cle 4

6t Cedric Benson Cin 3

6t Laveranues Coles Cin 3

6t Vernon Davis SF 3

6t Julian Edelman NE 3

6t Justin Gage Ten 3

6t James Jones GB 3

6t Mario Manningham NYG 3

6t Randy McMichael StL 3

6t Jordy Nelson GB 3

6t Chad Ochocinco Cin 3

6t Sean Ryan KC 3

6t Steve Smith Car 3

6t Bobby Wade KC 3

6t Roddy White Atl 3

6t Kellen Winslow TB 3

go bengals

 

[amnesiac]

sorry Bob, maybe i wasn't being clear.

i don't think Edwards is anywhere near the class of Rice or Moss.

i don't think all of his issues are due to poor QB play.

but for sure he is a guy worth taking a chance on in fantasy football.

 

[Yenrub]

sorry Bob, maybe i wasn't being clear.i don't think Edwards is anywhere near the class of Rice or Moss.i don't think all of his issues are due to poor QB play.but for sure he is a guy worth taking a chance on in fantasy football.

Didn't he have the same QB throwing him the ball in his breakout year 2007 and the year he had all of the drops 2008?

 

[Bob Magaw]

sorry Bob, maybe i wasn't being clear.i don't think Edwards is anywhere near the class of Rice or Moss.i don't think all of his issues are due to poor QB play.but for sure he is a guy worth taking a chance on in fantasy football.

fair enough, amnesiac...i think he has the talent that led to 16 TDs & 1,300+ yards as recently as '07... & that is pretty good...not as good statistically as some moss seasons (like 2007 ), but better than others... i can agree that probably not all his problems are QB-related (as was pointed out, he did poorly in '08 with the same QB he had success with the prior year?)... i just don't think those problems are due to any lack of intrinsic talent... talent-wise, he has the ability to be one of the best... whether or not he is in moss or rice's class...we are in agreement that he is worth taking a chance on in fantasy (at the right price)...

 

[Bobcat10]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

Braylon is not a bitter issue. We got something for nothing (that is, "nothing" in relation to us) and we're happy for it. He very well could be something for another team, but it was never going to be with the Browns again.

 

[Tecumseh]

I will be rooting for Braylon to catch every single ball thrown his away, right up until he is +1 over whatever number he needs for the Browns to turn that 3rd round pick into a 2nd. Go Braylon!

 

[GoBirds]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

Braylon is not a bitter issue. We got something for nothing (that is, "nothing" in relation to us) and we're happy for it. He very well could be something for another team, but it was never going to be with the Browns again.

Something for nothing? Not sure what you got for Winslow also but over the last year your only 2 talented top draft picks have been traded for future late picks. Not pretty looking at it from a neutral perspective but maybe they start to draft better. Chances are the picks don't produce a Winslow or Edwards and you have to wait years to see.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

Braylon is not a bitter issue. We got something for nothing (that is, "nothing" in relation to us) and we're happy for it. He very well could be something for another team, but it was never going to be with the Browns again.

Something for nothing? Not sure what you got for Winslow also but over the last year your only 2 talented top draft picks have been traded for future late picks. Not pretty looking at it from a neutral perspective but maybe they start to draft better. Chances are the picks don't produce a Winslow or Edwards and you have to wait years to see.

I may be wrong here but I believe they ended up with Massaquoi, Stuckey, Trusnick, a 3rd and two 5ths for a disgruntled Edwards and Winslow. Call it what you want but to me that is a decent haul for a couple of guys that were causing more trouble than they were worth.

 

[wadegarrett]

I will be rooting for Braylon to catch every single ball thrown his away, right up until he is +1 over whatever number he needs for the Browns to turn that 3rd round pick into a 2nd. Go Braylon!

 

[GoBirds]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

Braylon is not a bitter issue. We got something for nothing (that is, "nothing" in relation to us) and we're happy for it. He very well could be something for another team, but it was never going to be with the Browns again.

Something for nothing? Not sure what you got for Winslow also but over the last year your only 2 talented top draft picks have been traded for future late picks. Not pretty looking at it from a neutral perspective but maybe they start to draft better. Chances are the picks don't produce a Winslow or Edwards and you have to wait years to see.

I may be wrong here but I believe they ended up with Massaquoi, Stuckey, Trusnick, a 3rd and two 5ths for a disgruntled Edwards and Winslow. Call it what you want but to me that is a decent haul for a couple of guys that were causing more trouble than they were worth.

It's funny how Browns fans downplay Braylon's "one good season" but some guy has one good GAME last with Braylon doubled and he is the savior. Without the blinders on these moves just don't look positive along w/the QB situation, ugh.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Alot of bitter Browns fans in here. Must be tough.

Braylon is not a bitter issue. We got something for nothing (that is, "nothing" in relation to us) and we're happy for it. He very well could be something for another team, but it was never going to be with the Browns again.

Something for nothing? Not sure what you got for Winslow also but over the last year your only 2 talented top draft picks have been traded for future late picks. Not pretty looking at it from a neutral perspective but maybe they start to draft better. Chances are the picks don't produce a Winslow or Edwards and you have to wait years to see.

I may be wrong here but I believe they ended up with Massaquoi, Stuckey, Trusnick, a 3rd and two 5ths for a disgruntled Edwards and Winslow. Call it what you want but to me that is a decent haul for a couple of guys that were causing more trouble than they were worth.

It's funny how Browns fans downplay Braylon's "one good season" but some guy has one good GAME last with Braylon doubled and he is the savior. Without the blinders on these moves just don't look positive along w/the QB situation, ugh.

So the Browns should have kept him and let him go via free agency? Use your brain, guy.

 

[PhantomJB]

I'm liking this for Keller and Cotchery owners. Jets are missing a deep threat and just by going long it will open up the middle a lot more for these guys IMO.

 

[GoBirds]

So the Browns should have kept him and let him go via free agency? Use your brain, guy.

Or trade him during the offseason before he stunk it up for a month and beatdown a guy the size of a middle schooler? Yeah good call on selling high for a 3rd and a 5th. Use your brain.

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

 

[MAC_32]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

 

[GoBirds]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

Link to these unbelievable offers that the Browns passed up?

 

[GoBirds]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

Link to these unbelievable offers that the Browns passed up?

You think the Browns FO puts out a press release every offer they get? Hey, whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes in regards to that. Whether you agree or not, the Browns had other ideas before this season that didn't include a 0-4 pitiful looking start. Don't fault them for hanging onto the player that so many people in here think was by far the best player on the Browns roster and super uber talented. You are contradicting yourself in just about every post you make. To get the package they got 12ish days before the trading deadline, which is possibly the point where you'd get zilch for him afterwards depending on the CBA, and with the talk now that the Browns were on the verge of outright releasing him, is quite solid if you ask me.

 

[GoBirds]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes in regards to that. Whether you agree or not, the Browns had other ideas before this season that didn't include a 0-4 pitiful looking start. Don't fault them for hanging onto the player that so many people in here think was by far the best player on the Browns roster and super uber talented. You are contradicting yourself in just about every post you make. To get the package they got 12ish days before the trading deadline, which is possibly the point where you'd get zilch for him afterwards depending on the CBA, and with the talk now that the Browns were on the verge of outright releasing him, is quite solid if you ask me.

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

 

[cstu]

The Browns are like the Redskins.....but worse.

Why do people assume that the Browns had all of these wonderful options on the table but decided to go after a lesser option? I heard they were offered three 1st rounders for DA just the other day but turned it down.

Some people just talk out of their ###, it happens. The best offer the rumor mill spat out this offseason for Braylon was a late 2nd and a late 5th from the Giants. Imho a 3rd, 5th, Stuckey, misc. special teams LB > the Giants offseason offer.

Is that really what you believe? The best offer they had for him came after a horrible start and knocking some guy out at a club at 2am?

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes in regards to that. Whether you agree or not, the Browns had other ideas before this season that didn't include a 0-4 pitiful looking start. Don't fault them for hanging onto the player that so many people in here think was by far the best player on the Browns roster and super uber talented. You are contradicting yourself in just about every post you make. To get the package they got 12ish days before the trading deadline, which is possibly the point where you'd get zilch for him afterwards depending on the CBA, and with the talk now that the Browns were on the verge of outright releasing him, is quite solid if you ask me.

I don't blame the Browns for not trading him before the season and think they did the best thing for the team. It's just unfortunate for the Browns that they got so little for him, but at least they can move on.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

 

[Shawnky]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

I'm confused. A pro bowl season from a 3rd year wr.......1st impulse is to trade him? You sound like another bitter Browns fan.

 

[MCguidance]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

I'm confused. A pro bowl season from a 3rd year wr.......1st impulse is to trade him? You sound like another bitter Browns fan.

He was being sarcastic. But he is bitter.As most of us lower end NFL franchise fans often are.

 

[GoBirds]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

Enjoy your 3rd aand 5th.

 

[RenoHightower]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

Enjoy your 3rd aand 5th.

<----- GoBirds

 

[knowledge dropper]

This is a pretty interesting story in today's Columbus Dispatch by Sports Editor Bob Hunter - usually a Cleveland apologist. Quinn giving a tribute to Braylon?

Recently demoted Browns quarterback Brady Quinn showed up on the team's practice field Wednesday wearing a new pair of orange shoes.

"They're Braylon's," Quinn told the Akron Beacon Journal. "Yeah, in honor of Braylon."

Hmmm. A not-so-subtle shot at the coach, maybe?

This is not to suggest that Quinn is looking for a change of scenery, but a couple of things became clear by Braylon Edwards' trade to the New York Jets: The former Michigan star got rewarded for his bad behavior with a ticket away from an 0-4 team, and some of his former Cleveland teammates doubtless wish they could have the same kind of luck. Many of the Browns were concerned about how trading a potential game-breaking receiver, who was a former No. 3 overall draft pick, for a so-so receiver, a special-teams player and two draft picks, believed to be third- and fifth-rounders, makes a bad team better.

Addition by subtraction? Maybe, but it's hard to see how this helps the Browns win.

http://dispatch.com/live/content/sports/st...MN.html?sid=101

 

[wadegarrett]

This is not to suggest that Quinn is looking for a change of scenery

Rumors I've heard is Quinn has already asked for just this.

Addition by subtraction? Maybe, but it's hard to see how this helps the Browns win.

All well and good, but were the Browns winning with Edwards?

 

[GoBirds]

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

I still don't know why they didn't trade him after his pro bowl year, talk about missing the boat. They should have seen this coming then.

Enjoy your 3rd aand 5th.

<----- GoBirds

I understand the sarcasm. It's just Browns fans making lame excuses for another horrible move. Typical Browns, there is no positive no matter how you spin it they will suck for even longer now that they got rid of Edwards and Winslow. The organization is a joke.

 

[Bobcat10]

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes in regards to that. Whether you agree or not, the Browns had other ideas before this season that didn't include a 0-4 pitiful looking start. Don't fault them for hanging onto the player that so many people in here think was by far the best player on the Browns roster and super uber talented. You are contradicting yourself in just about every post you make. To get the package they got 12ish days before the trading deadline, which is possibly the point where you'd get zilch for him afterwards depending on the CBA, and with the talk now that the Browns were on the verge of outright releasing him, is quite solid if you ask me.

To simplify, the smart move is trade him in the offseason before the season started if he had no future with the team. The Browns move is to trade him now for a 3rd, 5th and throw ins. How does this sweet package you got compare to what the Lions got for Roy Williams before the deadline?It's just not a great deal, sorry, that's why they are the Browns.

Exactly the problem, you are simplifying the situation too much. Yeah, the smart move looking in the rearview mirror on Oct 9th would have been to trade him sooner (assuming that was even possible). Hindsight is 20-20, Einstien. #### you should be a GM right now obviously. Pretty sure the Browns got rid of Winslow because they don't think he has longevity in the league with his knees. While some might have been happy if Braylon was traded before the season started, there would have been alot of revolt against that too. Think about what message that would send to your ticket holders and fan base. Again, if he has as much talent as alot of people say he has (backed up by 2007), that makes no sense to trade him unless they got a handsome return, which most people believe was never offered to them (1st and Steve Smith, for example...it wasn't for the taking). The Browns put themself in position to get a 2nd rounder, if Braylon produces, and a 5th rounder, plus two players on a team that needs them. If the Browns are 3-1 right now, like the Bengals of all teams, Braylon is likely contributing to that and is still a Brown. He might even be smiling a little bit. Everyone and their mom knew Braylon was gone after this year, but if he could help the team win this year then he's worth keeping around and getting nothing for him. Your posts are so off the wall they are not even worth responding to anymore. You are not logically thinking about this.Further, the Lions trade has nothing to do with this. If anything, that lowered the market value on those types of trades in the short term. You think GMs are running around right now saying what a haul Dallas got last year? Look at how much that has paid off, last year and this year. Roy doesn't even have all the baggage Braylon has. Man, open your eyes.