Definitely hinted at that. I'm going to say yes with Tio pissing in the pool and telling them they probably liked what they saw.I thought the exact same thing.he knows who Gus was in Chile....whatever that means. Any ideas?That guy who banged Al Pacino's sister in scarface has had quite a bit of work done on his face.and it did not look to bad.
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Wow I missed that, but I thought during the interrogation he may suggest to the cops that he and gayle had a thing to throw them off.Definitely hinted at that. I'm going to say yes with Tio pissing in the pool and telling them they probably liked what they saw.I thought the exact same thing.he knows who Gus was in Chile....whatever that means. Any ideas?That guy who banged Al Pacino's sister in scarface has had quite a bit of work done on his face.and it did not look to bad.
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quite possibly one of the best television episodes ever in my book.best episode of the series? that was something else.
That was my first thought too.Could Jesse tell that the message was opened earlier?The text said meeting was cancelled because the boss was busy. Significance is that Walt may think Jesse was lying about not seeing Gus (which he was). Walt looked because the phone buzzed.What did the text say and whats the significance? How did walt know to look at his phone? Does this mean Jesse's house is bugged?
It's up there.Think Breaking Bad has finally surpassed The Wire for me as fav all-time.quite possibly one of the best television episodes ever in my book.best episode of the series? that was something else.
They def have a mole in the DEA.The Skylar scene was even pretty funny.I am not sure where they are going with the mexican girl and Jessie but its always funny seeing Sal. Carpe Diem buddyMike had the skinny on everything the DEA was up to so safe to assume they have someone on the inside as has been mentioned in thread.Walt with his cancer used to be the guy we root for. Now it's Hank. Terrific dynamics going on. In one scene you are rooting for Gus/Mike against the cartel. In the next you are rooting for Hank against Gus. Then you have Walt against Gus. Walt against Hank. Now Walt against Jesse. FBG's against Flynn.Nearly every scene in this episode was riveting.
Jesse getting the chick pregnant would be an interesting twist.They def have a mole in the DEA.The Skylar scene was even pretty funny.I am not sure where they are going with the mexican girl and Jessie but its always funny seeing Sal. Carpe Diem buddyMike had the skinny on everything the DEA was up to so safe to assume they have someone on the inside as has been mentioned in thread.Walt with his cancer used to be the guy we root for. Now it's Hank. Terrific dynamics going on. In one scene you are rooting for Gus/Mike against the cartel. In the next you are rooting for Hank against Gus. Then you have Walt against Gus. Walt against Hank. Now Walt against Jesse. FBG's against Flynn.Nearly every scene in this episode was riveting.
For what it's worth, my wife saw some of the early episodes with me. Since all I do is rave about the show - and, well, since I'm recovering from surgery and just got home yesterday - she decided to watch with me. She knew all of the characters from the 1st season - she called Jesse "the drug dealer", she knew Hank and Walt, etc. In the closet scene with Anna Gunn, she had no idea who it was, thought it was another new character. I told her it was Walt's wife and she was dumbfounded. Her exact words were something to the effect of "that's supposed to be the same woman?"Just saying.I, for one, was not bagging on her...I still think she's kinda hawt, she just looks totally differentNot sure which is worse. Bagging on a handicapped kid for talking funny.or a 43 year old, 5'10 woman for putting on some pounds.
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I'm not quite ready to make that statement yet. It's definitely a clear second in my book. I need to rewatch the whole series again - and see how they wrap it up - before I'm willing to make that claim. But then I LOVE The Wire.It's up there.Think Breaking Bad has finally surpassed The Wire for me as fav all-time.quite possibly one of the best television episodes ever in my book.best episode of the series? that was something else.
Why is it not believable that his fingerprint was found in the apartment? We know he was there, asking if he was ready to take over.Plus to be honest I would have preferred Hank tie the delivery trucks to Gus/meth then finding a fingerprint in Gale's apartment. A little bit more believable and cleaner all the way around.
For what it's worth, my wife saw some of the early episodes with me. Since all I do is rave about the show - and, well, since I'm recovering from surgery and just got home yesterday - she decided to watch with me. She knew all of the characters from the 1st season - she called Jesse "the drug dealer", she knew Hank and Walt, etc. In the closet scene with Anna Gunn, she had no idea who it was, thought it was another new character. I told her it was Walt's wife and she was dumbfounded. Her exact words were something to the effect of "that's supposed to be the same woman?"Just saying.I, for one, was not bagging on her...I still think she's kinda hawt, she just looks totally differentNot sure which is worse. Bagging on a handicapped kid for talking funny.or a 43 year old, 5'10 woman for putting on some pounds.
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Your wife could have prosopagnosia. She might want to get that checked.Max said he thought of Gus "as a brother." Do you say that about a guy you're banging? OTOH, if true, it might explain why Gus was so fond of Gale. If Gale was not a c-sucker, he was effeminate at the very least. Should we be talking about this?he knows who Gus was in Chile....whatever that means. Any ideas?That guy who banged Al Pacino's sister in scarface has had quite a bit of work done on his face.and it did not look to bad.
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"This is what comes of blood for blood, Hector." -Gus
Early in "Hermanos," Hank asks Gus if Gustavo Fring is, in fact, his real name, and we're reminded of just how little we actually know of the Chicken Man, who appeared one day at Walt and Jesse's booth at Los Pollos Hermanos and has now become the big boogeyman of Walter White's life. Who is this extremely efficient, almost robotic businessman, why does he act this way, why was he so willing to take the reckless Walter under his wing, and what exactly is his relationship with the cartel?
By the end of "Hermanos," we have the answer to many of these questions, including our glimpse of a younger Gus who had not yet learned to keep his emotions under such tight control.
And what was most interesting to me was just how much young Gus and his "brother" Max reminded me of Walt and Jesse back in the day.
It's not an exact one-to-one parallel or anything, but in both cases you have two partners, one something of a mentor to the other. One is a brilliant chemist(*), and both are in over their heads breaking into the drug game, convinced that their superior product will be so appealing that it'll allow them to stay bloodless in a very bloody business.
(*) And learning what we know now of Max, and of Gus and Max's friendship, explains an awful lot about Gus, why he's so fascinated with chemistry and why he would be willing to take on the unreliable Walter White just because of what Gale said about the purity of the blue meth. He's doing what he's doing to make money, and to get revenge on the cartel, but the Super Lab and the chemistry scholarship and many of the other things he does serve the dual purpose of paying tribute to his fallen friend.
In Walt and Jesse's case, they survived their initial encounter with Emilio and Krazy-8, but only just. Max wasn't so lucky, and Gus apparently only survived because of something to do with his mysterious past under another name in Chile.
And Gustavo Fring wails, and he whimpers, and he has to just lie there and stare at his good friend Max as his blood drains into Don Eladio's pool. And even without the jump back to the present, where time and poor health have now made Tio Hector as helpless and full of fury as Gus was lying by the pool, it's not hard to draw a line from that moment to the man Gus has become: one who is not only smart, but cold and calculating and, if need be, ruthless.
He has, in other words, become exactly the kind of man that Walter White fancies himself to be when he tells the fellow cancer patient that his philosophy is "Never give up control. Live life on your own terms."
Walt has never been quite able to pull that off, though, whether because of circumstance or the weaknesses of his own personality. For the most part, Gus has. He has this enormous empire. He set up Juan Bolsa (the other man at the table with Tio and Don Eladio) to be killed during the raid back in last season's "I See You," and while he can't physically hurt Tio any more than the stroke did, he can sure twist the emotional knife about how he arranged for Marco and Leonel to be killed.
And yet... this origin story for the Chicken Man comes not at a moment where he's at the unassailable peak of his evil powers, but when he seems rather vulnerable, even frantic.
That interrogation scene with Hank, ASAC Merkert, Gomez and Tim is one of the first times we've ever seen Gus in a setting where he has absolutely no control and is at a disadvantage, information-wise. He improvises well, and fools everyone but Hank, but when he gets into the elevator afterwards, there's a look on his face we haven't seen before, one that shows how little he likes it when a situation arises that he couldn't foresee and can't wrestle to the ground. It is not a good look.
The camera pushes in on Gus in that moment, just as it does to Walt at the end of the scene at Jesse's house, after Walt has had a similarly shocking revelation about Jesse's loyalty. The ground Walt stands on has never been as firm as it seemed to be for Gus, but each man is at a precipice now. Walt feels completely alone, convinced Jesse has turned on him and will eventually start plotting with Gus and Mike to kill him. And Gus is caught between a rock (the cartel) and a hard place (Hank's rogue investigation coming at the worst possible time), with a high potential for acid rain (Walt) at any moment.
There's also the matter of partners. Gus's dies in front of him in the 1980s. Walt's appears to have betrayed him today. And Hank's partner still works for the DEA, while Hank himself is so off the reservation, and still injured enough from being shot by Marco, that he has to turn Walter White - whom he thinks of as an effete, spineless intellectual - into his partner.
Making your way in the world of this show alone is very, very tough. Even Gus hasn't really pulled it off. (Where would his organization be without Mike?) At the moment, Gus, Walt and Hank all seem alone on one level or another, and very vulnerable. Very bad things could happen to any or all of them as they go up against one another, especially with the cartel out there as another wild card. Gus ultimately got his victory over the men who brought him low beside Don Eladio's pool, but no man stays at the top of the food chain forever. We've seen that with Tio, and we may see it with Gus before the series is out.
But whether or not Gus falls, and when, this was a great showcase for Giancarlo Esposito, and another superb hour of season 4.
Some other thoughts:
• Given the number of times Vince Gilligan has invoked "Scarface" in discussing the idea behind the show, it's amazing it took until midway through season 4 to actually get a notable "Scarface" alum to guest star. Al Pacino's not available, but they got the next-best thing in Steven Bauer to play Don Eladio. Goal for next season: see if Michelle Pfeiffer will do episodic guest work.
• In the waiting room scene, Walt suggests it's been less than a year since his cancer diagnosis. That seems a bit on the tight edge, if only because the show's lifespan has included Skyler's entire pregnancy, and a lot of things - Walt's recovery from surgery, the plane crash and aftermath, Jesse's rehab, Hank being paralyzed and regaining a good chunk of his mobility - that would take many months combined at a minimum have taken place since Holly was born. Still, as with "The Shield," "Sons of Anarchy" and some other dramas, the show is taking place in much less time than it's taken us to watch it.
• Good things tend to happen when you put Hank Schrader in a parking lot. Last year, we got the insane suspense of the shootout in "One Minute" (and Gus alluded to the origin of the warning phone call in his flashback discussion with Tio), and tonight we got the simultaneously suspenseful and hilarious sequence outside Los Pollos Hermanos, with Walt panicking while a puzzled but amused Mike sits in his car and pretends to read the paper. I also loved Walt and Gus's first in-person interaction since the season premiere. Walt finally gets the face-to-face with Gus he'd been hoping for, but when he reaches into his jacket, it's not for the gun to kill him, but a gesture of supplication with the GPS tracker. And Gus's "Do it" was the first time we've seen his placid Los Pollos Hermanos demeanor seem like a strained performance.
• Two weeks ago, we got our first look at Walt's surgical scar in a while, and tonight Walt goes in for a PET scan, and we are not privy to the results - but do get to see Walt looking very contemplative as he works in the Super Lab afterwards. Is he telling the truth to his family at the dinner table, or are we preparing for a late-season revelation that the cancer has returned, and that the knowledge of it has emboldened Walt to do something particularly reckless against Gus and Mike?
• First Skyler has to look up money laundering on the internet, and now she's literally putting the overflow of cash in with the (clean) laundry in vacuum bags. Heh. Also glad to see just how much use this show and the Whites have gotten out of that crawl space under the house, which was previously the site of one of Walt's more obsessive fix-it projects, as well as the way he broke into the house last season after Skyler changed the locks.
• Interesting compass point for Jesse's current sense of self-worth: he'll pay for Andrea and Brock to move into a nice house in a safer neighborhood, and have Saul check up on them both each week, but can't handle getting out of the car himself to see them. On the plus side, at least he started painting over all the damage done to the house by the tweakers. And I'm still not 100% sure he's as on Gus's side as Walt understandably thinks he is. I think Jesse's still deciding what to do, though at the moment, Gus and Mike seem like the more appealing option.
• Is it ever not fun when a cop or other detective pulls the "just one more question" trick from "Columbo," as Hank does to Gus with the issue of his name?
Way to dis Mark Margolis there, jerkinwall.Sepinwall:
• Given the number of times Vince Gilligan has invoked "Scarface" in discussing the idea behind the show, it's amazing it took until midway through season 4 to actually get a notable "Scarface" alum to guest star. Al Pacino's not available, but they got the next-best thing in Steven Bauer to play Don Eladio. Goal for next season: see if Michelle Pfeiffer will do episodic guest work.
Well, he did say notable.Margolis, IMO, is remembered more for playing mobster Antonio Nappa in Oz. Killed by a drag queen, BTW.Way to dis Mark Margolis there, jerkinwall.Sepinwall:
• Given the number of times Vince Gilligan has invoked "Scarface" in discussing the idea behind the show, it's amazing it took until midway through season 4 to actually get a notable "Scarface" alum to guest star. Al Pacino's not available, but they got the next-best thing in Steven Bauer to play Don Eladio. Goal for next season: see if Michelle Pfeiffer will do episodic guest work.
Couldn't help but think of Columbo there.Sepinwall:
• Is it ever not fun when a cop or other detective pulls the "just one more question" trick from "Columbo," as Hank does to Gus with the issue of his name?
Stick with Sepinwall for all your TV review needs. He appreciates greatness.The best part of the episode was Flynn having only one line.I am really disappointed with the AV Clubs review of this show. They rated last nights episode a B+, thats insane, last nights episode was an A+ and at worst an A.
Didn't say it was unbelievable that a fingerprint was left there. Although not past Gus' intellect to have ordered the place torched when Victor went there.I do think it is unbelievable that the delivery fan shootouts have not come up to law enforcement/media. Like I said, would have been more believable if they used the vans to tie Gus to meth then a fingerprint.Why is it not believable that his fingerprint was found in the apartment? We know he was there, asking if he was ready to take over.Plus to be honest I would have preferred Hank tie the delivery trucks to Gus/meth then finding a fingerprint in Gale's apartment. A little bit more believable and cleaner all the way around.
Notable schmotable. Margolis has at least 100 roles to his name. Sepinwall sucks.Well, he did say notable.Margolis, IMO, is remembered more for playing mobster Antonio Nappa in Oz. Killed by a drag queen, BTW.Way to dis Mark Margolis there, jerkinwall.Sepinwall:
• Given the number of times Vince Gilligan has invoked "Scarface" in discussing the idea behind the show, it's amazing it took until midway through season 4 to actually get a notable "Scarface" alum to guest star. Al Pacino's not available, but they got the next-best thing in Steven Bauer to play Don Eladio. Goal for next season: see if Michelle Pfeiffer will do episodic guest work.
I can certainly believe Margolis isn't fluent in Spanish. His Spanish sounded "learned" rather than natural, plus they limited his dialogue.It's Giancarlo Esposito not being fluent in Spanish that is the shocking part to me. He seems to deliver his lines in Spanish beautifully....I don't think the producers knew they were going to have a flashback back to when Tio could speak when they cast Mark Margolis so long ago. He was a man without the power of speech, so it didn't matter that he couldn't speak Spanish. They said on the podcast that he doesn't speak Spanish, just like the actor who plays Gus doesn't speak Spanish. I think they're both delivering their Spanish lines as well as they can.
Perhaps those of you who have spoken Spanish since birth can weigh in on this.It was great but I thought the previous week was better.I am really disappointed with the AV Clubs review of this show. They rated last nights episode a B+, thats insane, last nights episode was an A+ and at worst an A.
half expected Al Pacino to make a cameoSteven Bauer and Mark Margolis in drug-lord meeting set in the 1980s. Sweet casting. I half expected Mary Elizabeth Megatronica to show up.
ETA Mark Margolis (Tio Hector) played the assassin/bomber in Scarface. The one that was supposed to blow up the Bolivian journalist going to the U.N.
treinta metros!
Gus is actually pretty bad in Espanol. Huge gringo accent.Somebody wrote this on another forum.
I can certainly believe Margolis isn't fluent in Spanish. His Spanish sounded "learned" rather than natural, plus they limited his dialogue.It's Giancarlo Esposito not being fluent in Spanish that is the shocking part to me. He seems to deliver his lines in Spanish beautifully....I don't think the producers knew they were going to have a flashback back to when Tio could speak when they cast Mark Margolis so long ago. He was a man without the power of speech, so it didn't matter that he couldn't speak Spanish. They said on the podcast that he doesn't speak Spanish, just like the actor who plays Gus doesn't speak Spanish. I think they're both delivering their Spanish lines as well as they can.
Or maybe he doesn't.Perhaps those of you who have spoken Spanish since birth can weigh in on this.
Considering Walt knows Mike bugged his house before, I'm amazed this never occured to him.Text was most likely Mike cancelling a meeting with Gus.
Jesse's house has to be bugged. I can't believe Walt was that stupid. Some #### is about to go down. Mike probably saved Walt's whole family's asses with that phone call. Time to focus on the cartel for a bit. This should be fun.
it was out in nowhere land, alerting the cops does nobody any good. I gather Mike or some other cleaner made it out to the truck and cleaned the site up and removed the bodiesI'm also surprised the Los Pollos Hermanos trucks getting shot up hasn't been in play yet.
Gus must have been a bigshot in Chile if the cartel guy wouldn't kill him because of who he was. Connected to Pinochet maybe?
Remember Tio referred to him as 'Generalissimo' in that flashback with the cousins. Great storytelling going on here.Could see the scenario where Walt does realize house is bugged. Then uses that to his advantage. Perhaps him not realizing that now is setting the groundwork so that Walt can plausibly lure Gus in during a future episode.Just spitballing, but something like Walt "tells" Jesse, at the house, to put the Ricin in Gus' coffee at the meet. But Walt really tells Jesse to put the poison in his cup so that when Gus switches them he gets the poison. Could see a desperate scene where Walt is drinking the Ricin not knowing if Gus made the switch.Considering Walt knows Mike bugged his house before, I'm amazed this never occured to him.Text was most likely Mike cancelling a meeting with Gus.
Jesse's house has to be bugged. I can't believe Walt was that stupid. Some #### is about to go down. Mike probably saved Walt's whole family's asses with that phone call. Time to focus on the cartel for a bit. This should be fun.
Never go against a Chilean when death is on the line?Could see the scenario where Walt does realize house is bugged. Then uses that to his advantage. Perhaps him not realizing that now is setting the groundwork so that Walt can plausibly lure Gus in during a future episode.Just spitballing, but something like Walt "tells" Jesse, at the house, to put the Ricin in Gus' coffee at the meet. But Walt really tells Jesse to put the poison in his cup so that when Gus switches them he gets the poison. Could see a desperate scene where Walt is drinking the Ricin not knowing if Gus made the switch.Considering Walt knows Mike bugged his house before, I'm amazed this never occured to him.Text was most likely Mike cancelling a meeting with Gus.
Jesse's house has to be bugged. I can't believe Walt was that stupid. Some #### is about to go down. Mike probably saved Walt's whole family's asses with that phone call. Time to focus on the cartel for a bit. This should be fun.
He is still alive.If F. Murray Abraham were still alive he would have made a great wheelchair bound Tio.
Or Dread Pirate Roberts.Never go against a Chilean when death is on the line?Could see the scenario where Walt does realize house is bugged. Then uses that to his advantage. Perhaps him not realizing that now is setting the groundwork so that Walt can plausibly lure Gus in during a future episode.Just spitballing, but something like Walt "tells" Jesse, at the house, to put the Ricin in Gus' coffee at the meet. But Walt really tells Jesse to put the poison in his cup so that when Gus switches them he gets the poison. Could see a desperate scene where Walt is drinking the Ricin not knowing if Gus made the switch.Considering Walt knows Mike bugged his house before, I'm amazed this never occured to him.Text was most likely Mike cancelling a meeting with Gus.
Jesse's house has to be bugged. I can't believe Walt was that stupid. Some #### is about to go down. Mike probably saved Walt's whole family's asses with that phone call. Time to focus on the cartel for a bit. This should be fun.
Ha. No, she's actually got great facial recognition, though if I recall the camera wasn't really on her face much that scene. Anyway, just saying, objective female third parties have noticed'McJose said:'corpcow said:For what it's worth, my wife saw some of the early episodes with me. Since all I do is rave about the show - and, well, since I'm recovering from surgery and just got home yesterday - she decided to watch with me. She knew all of the characters from the 1st season - she called Jesse "the drug dealer", she knew Hank and Walt, etc. In the closet scene with Anna Gunn, she had no idea who it was, thought it was another new character. I told her it was Walt's wife and she was dumbfounded. Her exact words were something to the effect of "that's supposed to be the same woman?"Just saying.I, for one, was not bagging on her...I still think she's kinda hawt, she just looks totally differentNot sure which is worse. Bagging on a handicapped kid for talking funny.or a 43 year old, 5'10 woman for putting on some pounds.
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Your wife could have prosopagnosia. She might want to get that checked.

Oh snap....I could have sworn he was dead. Good for him.Wonder who I was thinking of.'Kumerica said:He is still alive.'Sundays Rule said:If F. Murray Abraham were still alive he would have made a great wheelchair bound Tio.
RJ Mitte?Oh snap....I could have sworn he was dead. Good for him.Wonder who I was thinking of.
How would Mike know about the truck or get out to the truck before some John Q. Citizen sees it on the side of the road and calls the cops?'biggamer3 said:it was out in nowhere land, alerting the cops does nobody any good. I gather Mike or some other cleaner made it out to the truck and cleaned the site up and removed the bodies'SacramentoBob said:I'm also surprised the Los Pollos Hermanos trucks getting shot up hasn't been in play yet.
It didn't look like an area where there were a lot of John Q. Citizen's hanging around.How would Mike know about the truck or get out to the truck before some John Q. Citizen sees it on the side of the road and calls the cops?'biggamer3 said:it was out in nowhere land, alerting the cops does nobody any good. I gather Mike or some other cleaner made it out to the truck and cleaned the site up and removed the bodies'SacramentoBob said:I'm also surprised the Los Pollos Hermanos trucks getting shot up hasn't been in play yet.
I thought that was great but ultimately that was one of those'prosopis said:at Walter seeing Mike in the next parking space as hank asks him to put the bug on Gus' car.
scenes. Hank is supposed to be this crack detective who catches all sorts of minor details that everyone else has missed and he doesn't notice a guy pull up in a car next to them? Walt looked at Mike more than once with Hank staring at Walt and Hank doesn't catch that Walt saw something that threw him off?It was a public parking lot. Why would he care if someone else pulled into the lot?Mike has no significance to Hank, but he does to Walt. Meanwhile, Walt is freaking out and just the presence of someone else scares him, but this fits into what Hank normally thinks of Walt - spineless, cowardly, nervous. Hank has no reason right now to suspect anything out of the ordinary with Walt, and to think he's nervous for any other reason than he's being asked to do illegal police work.I thought that was great but ultimately that was one of those'prosopis said:at Walter seeing Mike in the next parking space as hank asks him to put the bug on Gus' car.
scenes. Hank is supposed to be this crack detective who catches all sorts of minor details that everyone else has missed and he doesn't notice a guy pull up in a car next to them? Walt looked at Mike more than once with Hank staring at Walt and Hank doesn't catch that Walt saw something that threw him off?