What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Breaking Bad on AMC (3 Viewers)

:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
 
:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
Another viewpoint.Gus is seen as a polite manicured professional - more at home on a college campus than in a drug lab. Maybe he needs to show them the other face in order to get them to understand whom they are in business with.
 
:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
Agree to disagree. I don't think cutting off Jesse's big toe would make him go to the cops. Just give him a limp the rest of his life to remind him he ####ed with the wrong dude and better remember it. Going to the cops is not an option for these guys at all. Especially a few hours after offing Gale. It would accomplish nothing for Jesse or Walt. even if they feared for their lives (which Walt clearly still does).
 
:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
Agree to disagree. I don't think cutting off Jesse's big toe would make him go to the cops. Just give him a limp the rest of his life to remind him he ####ed with the wrong dude and better remember it. Going to the cops is not an option for these guys at all. Especially a few hours after offing Gale. It would accomplish nothing for Jesse or Walt. even if they feared for their lives (which Walt clearly still does).
True, Walt and Jesse are in no position to go the cops. What I mean to say is that it might provoke them to consider doing something even crazier or more desperate than they've already done. Jesse doesn't need to lose a toe to understand he's ####ed with the wrong dude. Like he explained to Walt at the diner, watching Gus slit Victor's throat was reminder enough.As the situation stood, they killed Gale for the sole purpose of being able to continue working for Gus. Gus torturing them could only shake things up in a negative way without the possibility of a positive result. It would also demonstrate that Gus was being vengeful, acting without control, admitting that Walt and Jesse had stung him.
 
:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
Agree to disagree. I don't think cutting off Jesse's big toe would make him go to the cops. Just give him a limp the rest of his life to remind him he ####ed with the wrong dude and better remember it. Going to the cops is not an option for these guys at all. Especially a few hours after offing Gale. It would accomplish nothing for Jesse or Walt. even if they feared for their lives (which Walt clearly still does).
True, Walt and Jesse are in no position to go the cops. What I mean to say is that it might provoke them to consider doing something even crazier or more desperate than they've already done. Jesse doesn't need to lose a toe to understand he's ####ed with the wrong dude. Like he explained to Walt at the diner, watching Gus slit Victor's throat was reminder enough.As the situation stood, they killed Gale for the sole purpose of being able to continue working for Gus. Gus torturing them could only shake things up in a negative way without the possibility of a positive result. It would also demonstrate that Gus was being vengeful, acting without control, admitting that Walt and Jesse had stung him.
Didn't they kill Gale because Gus was trying to kill Jessie and Walt was convinced he would be next if they weren't working for him? Gus didn't have to do anything special to create fear or respect. They didn't want to continue working for Gus. They wanted to continue to live.
 
:confused: I think you guys are watching a different show than I am.
I understand that Gus' character is of rational business motives only, but I think he could have justified teaching those guysthey can't completely get away with anything they want to. Cutting off a toe or something would have worked. Right now Walt and Jesse have gotten the better of Gus on multiple occasions. Gus could stand to dish out some discipline.
I don't see what that accomplishes at all. All three of them understand that they are there only because he needs them from a business standpoint and that he'd like to have them dead and that he'll kill them as soon as they are no longer needed, either because they no longer offer value or because someone else can offer similar value. I don't know what scaring them by torturing them accomplishes beyond that. Other than change their calculus about whether it's worthwhile to go to the authorities instead of work for him.
Exactly. Torturing either continues to make them work for Gus, which they're going to do anyway, or it makes them consider fleeing or going to the cops. Torture accomplishes nothing. Tucco might torture them, but Gus isn't Tucco. Gus is a professional who doesn't yield to his emotions.
Agree to disagree. I don't think cutting off Jesse's big toe would make him go to the cops. Just give him a limp the rest of his life to remind him he ####ed with the wrong dude and better remember it. Going to the cops is not an option for these guys at all. Especially a few hours after offing Gale. It would accomplish nothing for Jesse or Walt. even if they feared for their lives (which Walt clearly still does).
True, Walt and Jesse are in no position to go the cops. What I mean to say is that it might provoke them to consider doing something even crazier or more desperate than they've already done. Jesse doesn't need to lose a toe to understand he's ####ed with the wrong dude. Like he explained to Walt at the diner, watching Gus slit Victor's throat was reminder enough.As the situation stood, they killed Gale for the sole purpose of being able to continue working for Gus. Gus torturing them could only shake things up in a negative way without the possibility of a positive result. It would also demonstrate that Gus was being vengeful, acting without control, admitting that Walt and Jesse had stung him.
Didn't they kill Gale because Gus was trying to kill Jessie and Walt was convinced he would be next if they weren't working for him? Gus didn't have to do anything special to create fear or respect. They didn't want to continue working for Gus. They wanted to continue to live.
Right. Continuing working for Gus = continuing to live
 
I want to party at Jesse's place. :kicksrock:

I did my fair share of partying growing up but these drugs seem more fun then what we had.

 
####. The end of the episode cut out on the DVR. Last I saw was Jesse sitting down in front of the speaker. DId I miss anything?

 
####. The end of the episode cut out on the DVR. Last I saw was Jesse sitting down in front of the speaker. DId I miss anything?
No that was end. Was it Gus or Mike that called Walt in the street?
Mike
:confused: Sounded like Gus to me. I doubt Mike was tailing Walt at that point. I was puzzled why Walt wouldn't realize Gus would have high-tech security and cameras. Did he expect to knock on the door and shoot him when he opened it up?
 
####. The end of the episode cut out on the DVR. Last I saw was Jesse sitting down in front of the speaker. DId I miss anything?
No that was end. Was it Gus or Mike that called Walt in the street?
Mike
:confused: Sounded like Gus to me. I doubt Mike was tailing Walt at that point. I was puzzled why Walt wouldn't realize Gus would have high-tech security and cameras. Did he expect to knock on the door and shoot him when he opened it up?
Maybe Mike was already in the house after just killing Gus.
 
####. The end of the episode cut out on the DVR. Last I saw was Jesse sitting down in front of the speaker. DId I miss anything?
No that was end. Was it Gus or Mike that called Walt in the street?
Mike
:confused: Sounded like Gus to me. I doubt Mike was tailing Walt at that point. I was puzzled why Walt wouldn't realize Gus would have high-tech security and cameras. Did he expect to knock on the door and shoot him when he opened it up?
Maybe Mike was already in the house after just killing Gus.
If Mike was on the phone and not gus, then Mike had to be in the house I guess, because the point of that pan-out seemed to be illustrating that there was no other car around him. So either Mike was in the house or he has a tracking device on Walt's car, if it wasn't Gus on the phone?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
No way did Mike kill gus. Don't think for a second that was supposed to be hinted at even.

How much was in that envelope Jesse gave that chick? 20k? 50k? Assuming it was hundreds

 
Gus is alive and it was his voice on the phone. Don't even think anything else was hinted at.
If Gus knew Walt was staking his house out with presumed intent to kill, I don't think he would be wasting much more time with him.This situation is getting a little unrealistic already, I don't think they need to add more fuel to the fire.I think that was Mike who made the call, tailing Walt.
 
I need to rewatch, but never for one moment thought that Mike killed Gus. I'm not saying it's not possible and I didn't miss something, but that sure wasn't the takeaway I had. The way I read it, it was Victor's blood because it sort of framed the conversation they then had about Victor and Mike being in the same boat, etc.

My first reaction was also that it was Mike who called Walt, because he mentioned something about the gun and about how he needs to get better about tailing.

 
Are we sure that was Gus' house? I know Walt has been there, but I didn't do the rewatch all the episodes before the season though, so I don't remember the exterior of Gus' house. Without that knowledge, I'm thinking Walt tailed Mike home to give him the same speach he gave him at the bar and Mike called him to tell him to go home. This is after my first instinct was that he was walking up to Gus' and Mike was still the guy on the phone.

 
Are we sure that was Gus' house? I know Walt has been there, but I didn't do the rewatch all the episodes before the season though, so I don't remember the exterior of Gus' house. Without that knowledge, I'm thinking Walt tailed Mike home to give him the same speach he gave him at the bar and Mike called him to tell him to go home. This is after my first instinct was that he was walking up to Gus' and Mike was still the guy on the phone.
That's possible too, I guess. I didn't think so with the focus on the gun and all (I think Walt knows better than to mess with Mike on that front).That said, they DID focus on the numbers/front of the house for a bit...
 
I am running out of superlatives. This show is just superb. :thumbup: The conversation Jesse's buds were having while coked up were hysterical.I could literally "feel" Hank's pain as he was struggling to walk. I can't be the only one.Saul's commercial with the exploding airplane was so perfect. :lmao: :lmao: ...Sepinwall's review:

A review of tonight's "Breaking Bad" coming up just as soon as I leave recorded proof of my intention to buy a car wash..."Do yourself a favor and learn to take yes for an answer." -MikeWhat do you do the day after your world stops making sense? What do you do the day after you've lost big? What do you do the day after you thought you were going to die but didn't? What do you do the day after you killed a man for the first time?Five men entered the Super Lab in the season premiere. Four went out the front door, and one went out decomposing in a barrel alongside the rest of the chemical waste. And in "Thirty-Eight Snub," the four survivors are all trying to move on from what they saw, and what they did, on that crazy night.For all we know, Gus is doing fine with it. But we can only guess, because in the wake of being badly outplayed by Walter White, Gus has removed himself from the board, realizing (probably much too late) that he's better off not being in the same room with his unpredictable chemist.The other three, though, are clearly struggling with it. Mike sits in his favorite bar, drinking his coffee, trying to out-out the damn spot of Victor on his jacket, and the man who usually has all the answers for the moment has none. He had thought himself invulnerable, the most essential component of Gus's operation other than Gus himself. But if Gus would murder Mike's number two and let Walter White live, then maybe Walt is right and he's the only truly irreplaceable part of the machine. And yet for all his doubts, he understandably trusts Walt even less than Gus, and lays a pretty rough beating on Walt for daring to suggest they conspire to kill the Chicken Man.Walt does what he's done so often, and usually so well, ever since he made the decision to get into the drug game: he scrambles to find a way out of what seems to be an inescapable death trap. But even though Walt has successfully handled a gun before ("Run!"), he's no Wild West gunslinger - even if the show itself often takes on the airs of a 21st century Western - and he's fooling himself if he thinks he can kill Gus at the lab, or at his home. And though Walt's had success in physical confrontations in the past, they've tended to involve opponents who aren't ready for him, and Mike will never not be ready for him after all they've been through over these last few months.And Jesse? Well, whatever brief inspiration he got from seeing Gus's bloody demonstration has faded, and now all that's left is the knowledge that he killed a man in cold blood, that he's never escaping this life Walt pulled him so deeply into - and he can't deal with any of that. He killed Gale to keep the two of them alive, but now seems to view life itself as a burden that can only be endured by blotting it out with drugs, loud music and a non-stop party. He has some hope for Andrea, who returns to confront him about the cash he gave her out of guilt over her brother, but he has no hope for himself.At this point, it shouldn't be the least bit surprising how incredible Aaron Paul is, and yet he keeps finding new layers of Jesse, and new talents to show them with. Like last week, this is an episode where Jesse is largely silent, and yet Paul shows you just how badly Jesse needs to have people around him, how hard he's trying to force all memory of Gale and Victor and Walt and the rest out of his mind whenever he's not at work. That final shot of Jesse sitting in front of the speaker, the red glow washing over him, his neck vibrating from the bass, was just haunting.Mike tells Walt that he won, and should accept his victory, but at least for this terrific, unsettling hour, all of the key players we see are feeling very much like losers.Some other thoughts:• That was friend of the blog (technically, friend of the internet/fandom/etc. at large) Jim Beaver making an impression simply by being quiet and patient as the illegal gun salesman, which gives me a good excuse to remind you about my summer-long revisit of "Deadwood" season 1, where Jim's comments each week (on the veterans-only versions) have easily been the highlight of the project. And whether Beaver was hired for the "Deadwood" connection or just for his general awesomeness, his presence does add to that Western vibe I was talking about. Of course this is the man Walt would buy a gun from.• With Walt's safety secured (for now), Skyler gets back to investigating the car wash, which brings us back to a setting and characters we haven't seen since the series pilot. I can't find my notes from the set visit, but I believe one of the producers told us that the man who plays car wash owner Bogdan, Marius Stan, wasn't really an actor, and only appeared in the pilot as a favor to his aspiring actor son. And now, many years later, he's back on the show.• Things remain thoroughly unpleasant at Casa Schrader, where Hank is getting along with his therapist and using Marie as a punching bag - and hauler of rocks (sorry, "minerals") - to vent all his frustration with his condition.• Surprised it took Gus and Mike this long to realize they should weigh the batches a second time, which should theoretically put the kibosh on any plans Jesse might have to revive his skimming operation.• Love that Saul is finding ways to cash in on the airplane crash Walt caused. Wonder if he has any idea if this is yet another windfall from his biggest client.
 
Sweet episode. :thumbup:

It was definately Gus on the phone. Gus is having Walter's where abouts known at all times. Mike would not kill Gus, not at this point anyways, cmon fellas.

I'm not an expert but that looked like 20 grand to me that Jesse gave that girl.

Badger and Skinny are starting to compete with Saul in the comedy department. :lmao:

Love how they worked Saul into the episode. :lmao:

Marie wants to bang Hank's PT.

I love Mike, that character is awesome.

This show is awesome!

 
Sweet episode. :thumbup:It was definately Gus on the phone. Gus is having Walter's where abouts known at all times. Mike would not kill Gus, not at this point anyways, cmon fellas. I'm not an expert but that looked like 20 grand to me that Jesse gave that girl. Badger and Skinny are starting to compete with Saul in the comedy department. :lmao:Love how they worked Saul into the episode. :lmao:Marie wants to bang Hank's PT. I love Mike, that character is awesome. This show is awesome!
Yes to all of these :thumbup:
 
Maybe I need to go back and re-watch Season 3, but has Hank's treatment of Marie been prompted by any action of Marie? Was there something in season 3 that Marie did (or that Hank suspects she did)? Or is it just what Sepinwall's review stated -- that she is just a convenient "punching bag" for Hank to vent frustration -- and Hank's way of not feeling so emasculated?

 
Maybe I need to go back and re-watch Season 3, but has Hank's treatment of Marie been prompted by any action of Marie? Was there something in season 3 that Marie did (or that Hank suspects she did)? Or is it just what Sepinwall's review stated -- that she is just a convenient "punching bag" for Hank to vent frustration -- and Hank's way of not feeling so emasculated?
The only thing I can think of is that she got him to go home before he really wanted to. He lost a bet fair and square though.
 
Another great episode. Loved we got more Jesse dialogue. Aaron Paul is really nailing it this season. It hurts watching him medicate and numb all the pain but the party scenes were fun to watch. :lmao: at him talking about all the bells and whistles of his booming system and he did it without using fillers such as 'yo' or 'b*tch'.

 
Maybe I need to go back and re-watch Season 3, but has Hank's treatment of Marie been prompted by any action of Marie? Was there something in season 3 that Marie did (or that Hank suspects she did)? Or is it just what Sepinwall's review stated -- that she is just a convenient "punching bag" for Hank to vent frustration -- and Hank's way of not feeling so emasculated?
Not that I can think of. Emasculated is a good way to describe Hank right now, he doesn't feel like the man of the house, he is obviously depressed and has been bitter with Marie because he is not feeling very head of household-ish.I'd say if that were 100's 50k would be a more accurate amount, 10k is between 1/2" and 3/4".

 
Last edited by a moderator:
You can hear the phone call at 1:15 here.

I assumed it was Mike, but it really doesn't sound like him.

Nice turn by Ellsworth as the gun dealer. :thumbup:

 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
'Don Quixote said:
Maybe I need to go back and re-watch Season 3, but has Hank's treatment of Marie been prompted by any action of Marie? Was there something in season 3 that Marie did (or that Hank suspects she did)? Or is it just what Sepinwall's review stated -- that she is just a convenient "punching bag" for Hank to vent frustration -- and Hank's way of not feeling so emasculated?
The only thing I can think of is that she got him to go home before he really wanted to. He lost a bet fair and square though.
'Jojo the circus boy said:
Not that I can think of. Emasculated is a good way to describe Hank right now, he doesn't feel like the man of the house, he is obviously depressed and has been bitter with Marie because he is not feeling very head of household-ish.
Thanks. I forgot about the "bet", but remember that now. Sounds like I was not forgetting anything major and just Hank taking things out on Marie.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top