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'TobiasFunke said:
'Daywalker said:
Out of the blue Mike takes Jesse out to help him make the pickups. Even Walt thought that was weird. That Walt nor Jesse entertained the idea that Mike setup the attack was just shoddy writing. Oh I forgot, Mike's a mute and having a 30-second conversation with Jesse to pacify him would be totally out of character. The insight we have as viewer has nothing to do with it.
OK, clearly you've got your opinion. But it seems you're the only one who has it. And it's not like people here have hesitated to criticize the writing when warranted. I think the show is genius and still I called them out on the convenience of Hank showing up just in time to save them from Tuco. But I just don't see it here. There's a huge leap from thinking something is "weird" to thinking that a guy coming up from behind you while you stand guard for a drug money pickup is actually just part of an elaborate character test, rather than a guy trying to steal the drug money.

It seems silly to not only presume someone would make that leap (I don't think he would- Occam's Razor and all), but to also say that it's "shoddy writing" if he doesn't.
Agree 100%. Jesse knows full well that Mike could have killed him at any point, and was expecting it from the start. Despite his apparent apathy about dying, he was prepared to at least fight back with the keys and the comment about the ear. The whole point of that pickup stuff was to play to Jesse's insecurity and make him feel important and involved, and make him feel uncomfortable. The setup certainly would not have worked if was early in the day, without enough "distance" from him feeling in danger. And remember - even before this, part of Jesse's apathy was that he thought they were "untouchable" given the way the Gale thing unfolded. He "knows" Walt won't sell him out, and he feels "safe" because at this point at least one is needed and Walt seems to be a bigger liability. His role in the pickups only reaffirms in his insecure little world that he's the next Gale, and they're setting him up to replace Walt. (Which of course could very well foreshadow Walt killing Jesse selfishly even after all the "unselfish" things he's done throughout to protect him).In any case, in case I wasn't clear in my rambling, I don't think it was shoddy writing at all.

 
Jesse knows full well that Mike could have killed him at any point, and was expecting it from the start. Despite his apparent apathy about dying, he was prepared to at least fight back with the keys and the comment about the ear.
Reminds me of The Sopranos in season 1 when Tony was terribly depressed. He cared about nothing, stayed in bed all day and didn't give a crap whether he lived or died. Until the two black guys tried to murder him in the street. Then, his survival instincts kicked in and he fought for his life.
 
Best episode of the season so far. Skylar with a great line as well, "Somebody has to protect this family from the man that protects this family"

 
Maybe someone explained this before but I'm still shuked about Skyler's problem with spending money. Walt "won" a bundle gambling, said "winnings" were substantiated with receipts and they just used over $800k to buy the car wash. But somehow they aren't supposed to have the money to buy their son a car? :confused:

 
Sepinwall:

"This whole thing, all of this, it's all about me!" -Walt

Well, it is and it isn't, Walt.

"Breaking Bad" began as more or less a one-man show. Walt was so much more strongly defined than any other character - and Bryan Cranston's so revelatory after all his years in sitcoms - that it was hard to pay attention to, or feel empathy for, anyone else. Jesse was a hot-headed loser, Skyler emasculating and distant, Hank a clown, etc.

That's not the case anymore. The writing of the ensemble, and the performances by Aaron Paul and company, have only gotten deeper as the series has gone on. Jesse in many ways is the more sympathetic character these days - has been for several seasons, in fact.

But this is still the story of Walter White's transformation into Heisenberg. And as good and as rich as the ensemble has become, they're all just supporting players in that tale.

And "Cornered" - my favorite episode of season 4 to date - was all about how the two biggest supporting players feel when confronted with that fact.

We knew that Walt's drunken outburst at the end of "Shotgun" was going to generate problems between Walt and Hank, but Hank's absent this week, and the more immediate fallout from that scene comes from Skyler. In the stand-out scene of an episode filled with fantastic scenes, Skyler expresses fear for Walt's safety in a way that's entirely understandable from her perspective and unbearably patronizing from Walt's. And Walt, even without the influence of wine, can't help himself any more than he could at Hank's dinner table. He can't stand to be thought of as anything less than the ruthless master criminal he is, and so he gives Skyler her first real look at Heisenberg, telling his wife, "You clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in: I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No! I am the one who knocks!"(*)

(*) Not only is this an incredible moment for both Cranston and (especially) Anna Gunn, but "I am the one who knocks!" instantly enters the pantheon of bad-### declarative statements, up there with the likes of "I'll be back," "My name is my name!" and "Say hello to my little friend!"

Up until now, Skyler's view of Walt the drug dealer(**) has been one of those half measures that Mike warned us all about. Because she's felt trapped by circumstance(***), she talked herself into the idea that Walt is just a small player in this game - that he's the hapless, beaten-down loser she's known for so long, incapable of defending himself against the genuine criminals. She can't do that anymore. She's seen who and what he really is. And her immediate reaction to seeing the face of Heisenberg is an understandable one: she grabs the baby and she runs - runs more than 200 miles to the Four Corners Monument to flip a coin about her future. It seems like a grand gesture - and no doubt Skyler feels the need to do something big after that horrifying moment of truth back at the house - but it really isn't. The coin lands in Colorado, so she flips it again, and when it lands in Colorado a second time, she just nudges it back into New Mexico. She's already decided that she'll go back to Walt - even if it's with her full emotional armor up now, to never again risk a backslide like the one they had in "Shotgun" - but if she can't lie to herself about Walt anymore, she has to at least lie to herself that she tried to leave her decision to the fates.

(**) "Mad Men" and "Breaking Bad" are linked because they were AMC's first two series of this current wave, because they're excellent, and because Bryan Cranston keeps beating Jon Hamm out for the Emmy, but it occurs to me that there's an obvious thematic parallel as well. Both shows feature protagonists who began life with a cowardly, beaten-down identity and at a certain point assumed a new persona with a new name and a much bolder personality. Heisenberg is to Walt as Don Draper is to **** Whitman. The difference is that most people still know Walt as Walt, so it's a shock to them when Heisenberg peeks out, where on "Mad Men" the startling moments tend to be when somebody gets a quick look at **** Whitman.

(***) For those of you who objected to my defense of Skyler a few weeks ago by saying she could just move in with Hank and Marie, may I remind you that Hank and Marie are drowning in medical bills from an injury that is entirely Walter White's fault, and that the main reason she's engaging in this whole charade about the car wash is to generate the money to pay for that?

Jesse has his own moment to doubt Walt's suitability as a partner when the two argue outside of the laundromat. Their argument illustrates the wicked genius of Gus's plan to use Mike to drive a wedge between the two. Jesse so needs a reason to feel good about himself that even if Walt figures out that the whole thing was a set-up - which Walt the genius almost instantly does - Jesse won't want to believe it. And the more Walt tries to argue his case, the further he pushes Jesse away. Because Walt is so smart, he's often right in arguments, but he has this gift for being right in the most abrasive way possible. As with the confrontation at Jesse's house two weeks ago, Walt has lost all sense of which buttons he can and can't push with his partner, and his insistence that this whole situation is all about him is, while almost certainly right, such an arrogant-sounding statement, and so dismissive of Jesse, that it can't help but increase Jesse's feelings of loyalty to Mike and Gus.

Outside of the scene in "One Minute" where Walt complimented Jesse's meth - a circumstance where he essentially had no choice but to do it, and Jesse knew that - has Walt ever complimented Jesse in the way Gus so casually does when he tells him, "I like to think I see things in people"? And the funny part is that Gus seems to be getting a genuinely useful worker in Jesse. He does have value beyond being Walt's lapdog. He's obviously not as tough or efficient as Mike, but having someone on the payroll who speaks tweaker has value.

But Walt doesn't see that, or any other big picture issues. He's too much of a narcissist to put himself in other people's heads, or to really think about the consequences his actions have on others. He pays the women from the laundromat to clean up the Super Lab (and the sequence of him sipping coffee from Gale's percolator while they slave away was hilarious) just thinking it's a different way to flip the bird at the surveillance camera. He never for a second imagines what Gus might do to any civilians who saw the inside of that place. (If anything, he should be relieved that all Tyrus apparently plans to do is put them on a bus.)

Nor does he see the position he keeps putting Skyler in with Walter Jr., or even the more practical issues that would come with buying him such a conspicuous, if sweet, ride. He briefly seems to recognize it when he tries to defend Skyler to Walter Jr., saying, "What is going on with me is not about some disease. It's about choices. Choices I have made. Choices I stand by." But even though he seems self-aware and chastened in that moment, his words are not dissimilar to the "I am the one who knocks!" speech. It's Walt trying to make clear that he's not a supporting player in his own life, but the central character whose choices drive all of the action.

Not long after Skyler flees the house with Holly in tow, Walt has to go to the car wash to take the keys from Bogdan, and Bogdan - who also thinks of Walt as the weak, pathetic man we met in the series premiere - sees fit to lecture him on what it takes to be a good boss, mainly as an exercise to humiliate Walt further. But as with Skyler, Bogdan doesn't realize exactly with whom he's dealing, and Walt manages to turn the whole "as is" business around on Bogdan, depriving him of the framed dollar bill in a clever - albeit extremely petty - power move. Walt doesn't even want the damn thing, which is why he uses it to buy a soda as soon as Bogdan's gone; he just wants to take something away from Bogdan the way Bogdan repeatedly took away his dignity.

And yet as I listened to that lecture about being a boss - and thought of a similar lesson Gus once gave to Walt over dinner - I couldn't help but think that this is part of where we're going over the rest of this season, and then the remaining 16 episodes of the series (however they're distributed) that will come after that. This show is the story of how Mr. Chips becomes Scarface, and sooner or later Walt is going to have to stop being a disgruntled employee and get back to being the man in charge of his own fate. Being a boss means a different relationship with people than being their partner. So even if he's too myopic, abrasive and plain arrogant to get along with Skyler and Jesse, that doesn't mean he won't make one hell of a crime lord the next time he has the chance to do it.

Some other thoughts:

• There's been some debate the last few weeks over whether Jesse has actually been using since Gale's murder or if he's just been surrounding himself with meth users. The first scene at the diner with Mike makes it clear that he's been getting high, and is now (with some difficulty) going cold turkey.

• Ever since someone joked in the comments a while back that Walter Jr. only ever appears to eat breakfast, I've had trouble not seeing that in his every appearance. (It was a huge stretch in "Shotgun" when he was at the dinner table with Hank and Marie!) But his role was notably expanded this week, with Walt bribing Jr. over to his side, and Jr. gleefully letting him. ("If you're gonna buy me off, buy me off.") Especially for a kid like Walter Jr., who has to work so much harder to get around on foot, I can see the appeal of a big, bad, fast sportscar.

• Back in season two, all the episodes whose titles made up the "737 Down Over ABQ" jigsaw puzzle opened with similar black-and-white footage of the White home in the aftermath of the plane crash. Some people have been speculating whether this season's many weapon-themed titles will similarly add up to something, but there hasn't been an obvious visual link between teasers until now, when this episode opened with the same shot of blue breath against the darkness of the trailer that we got two weeks ago in "Bullet Points." Of course, that was primarily to set up how differently this ambush went from the last one, as Gus's enemies in the Cartel learned their lesson from how easily Mike took the assassins out. Their knowledge of truck routes, and of what chicken containers do and don't contain meth, have me wondering if the Cartel has an inside man. But we really only know five employees in this operation - Walt, Jesse, Gus, Mike and Tyrus - and other than Tyrus, none seem an obvious candidate to be ratting to the Cartel.

• This is the second episode directed by Michael Slovis (after last season's "Kafkaesque"), with Nelson Cragg functioning as director of photography for the second episode in a row, and the two combined for some memorable shots, notable the POV of the shovel on Jesse's shoulder as he went to dig up the tweakers' front yard.

• Walt in the shower is the first time in a while we've gotten a look at his scar from the experimental cancer surgery. Could be foreshadowing (I don't recall Walt's cancer being mentioned significantly since the surgery at the end of season 2), or it could just be that once you take Cranston's shirt off, you have to show the scar.
 
• Walt in the shower is the first time in a while we've gotten a look at his scar from the experimental cancer surgery. Could be foreshadowing (I don't recall Walt's cancer being mentioned significantly since the surgery at the end of season 2), or it could just be that once you take Cranston's shirt off, you have to show the scar.
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Sepinwall:

He pays the women from the laundromat to clean up the Super Lab (and the sequence of him sipping coffee from Gale's percolator while they slave away was hilarious) just thinking it's a different way to flip the bird at the surveillance camera. He never for a second imagines what Gus might do to any civilians who saw the inside of that place. (If anything, he should be relieved that all Tyrus apparently plans to do is put them on a bus.)
Sorry Mr. Sepinwall. Those three hembras won't be getting on any bus.
 
• Walt in the shower is the first time in a while we've gotten a look at his scar from the experimental cancer surgery. Could be foreshadowing (I don't recall Walt's cancer being mentioned significantly since the surgery at the end of season 2), or it could just be that once you take Cranston's shirt off, you have to show the scar.
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Missed his scar when you were looking at his johnson, didn't you?
 
• Walt in the shower is the first time in a while we've gotten a look at his scar from the experimental cancer surgery. Could be foreshadowing (I don't recall Walt's cancer being mentioned significantly since the surgery at the end of season 2), or it could just be that once you take Cranston's shirt off, you have to show the scar.
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Missed his scar when you were looking at his johnson, didn't you?
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.

 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.
:shrug: Does he mention Walt's cancer in on of his Soprano's reviews?
 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.
:shrug: Does he mention Walt's cancer in on of his Soprano's reviews?
No. Why do you ask?
 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.
:shrug: Does he mention Walt's cancer in on of his Soprano's reviews?
No. Why do you ask?
:lmao: Just wondering why you want me to read his old reviews.
 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.
:shrug: Does he mention Walt's cancer in on of his Soprano's reviews?
No. Why do you ask?
:lmao: Just wondering why you want me to read his old reviews.
Because I know you are a Sopranos fan, and if you can put your irrational dislike of Sepinwall aside, those reviews are phenomenal.
 
No, I saw the scar I'm just not sure why he would think this is "foreshadowing". Sepinwood likes to go on.
Alan's reviews of the last 25 Sopranos episodes can be found HERE. (Scroll down a bit)Really interesting reading if you haven't seen them yet. Took me back to watching them all for the first time. I'm having trouble finding his reviews of the show from the first several seasons, however.
:shrug: Does he mention Walt's cancer in on of his Soprano's reviews?
No. Why do you ask?
:lmao: Just wondering why you want me to read his old reviews.
Because I know you are a Sopranos fan, and if you can put your irrational dislike of Sepinwall aside, those reviews are phenomenal.
Oh, I get it.
 
Best episode of the season so far. Skylar with a great line as well, "Somebody has to protect this family from the man that protects this family"
And that is her justification of this whole thing. She decided that the family needs to do this even though it is wrong at one level, it is right because here family needs her. I think we've seen these mental gymnastics before.
 
Great episode.

Did anyone else notice that Skylar looked a little bit scared? I think she ran because of fear of Walt, but decided to come back. This might play out later with her going to the cops on Walt -anything to protect the family, right?

Also how do you guys think Mike's review of Jesse's work with the meth heads went - I would not be surprised if Mike said something like "he choose to put us in danger unnecessarily, when all we had to do was wait." Then again maybe Gus really does see that Jesse could be useful.

 
Also how do you guys think Mike's review of Jesse's work with the meth heads went - I would not be surprised if Mike said something like "he choose to put us in danger unnecessarily, when all we had to do was wait." Then again maybe Gus really does see that Jesse could be useful.
Jesse only put himself in danger. Mike wouldn't have gone in the back door unless he felt they had the upper hand.I think the conversation probably went something like "the kid has stones and he could be an asset."
 
So does Jesse end up opening an episode in a freezer truck guarding the batter? Does that one go smoothly as we sweat, or does he fight he way out of it?

How pissed is Walt going to be when Jesse mentions casually how he saw and spoke to Gus?

Next week we have to see the fall out of the Pollo truck left on the side of the road with two murder victims inside. I'm thinking Hank bringins up his "why does Gale have a Pollo flyer?" idea to the cop and the cop tells him they just found a shot up pollo truck.

 
So does Jesse end up opening an episode in a freezer truck guarding the batter? Does that one go smoothly as we sweat, or does he fight he way out of it? How pissed is Walt going to be when Jesse mentions casually how he saw and spoke to Gus? Next week we have to see the fall out of the Pollo truck left on the side of the road with two murder victims inside. I'm thinking Hank bringins up his "why does Gale have a Pollo flyer?" idea to the cop and the cop tells him they just found a shot up pollo truck.
And then he finds that Blue meth being transports in the Pollo Trucks and BINGO - Heisenberg is still out there just like Walt said.
 
Great episode.Did anyone else notice that Skylar looked a little bit scared? I think she ran because of fear of Walt, but decided to come back. This might play out later with her going to the cops on Walt -anything to protect the family, right?Also how do you guys think Mike's review of Jesse's work with the meth heads went - I would not be surprised if Mike said something like "he choose to put us in danger unnecessarily, when all we had to do was wait." Then again maybe Gus really does see that Jesse could be useful.
I thought Skylar was at Hank's spilling the beans when she left. It's just a matter of time before she starts singing.I think Mike gave Jessie favorable marks.
 
Walt: Where the hell have you been Jesse? I thought you were in danger.Jesse: Nah, Mike took me along for the pickups. Guess he needed protection.Walt: Mike needed you for protection?Jesse: Good thing he brought me. At the end of the day, out in the middle of nowhere, some guy tried to kill me.Walt: Want to go get a bite to eat?Yeah makes sense guys.
Give it up man. No one agrees with you.
Please. It basically went down as I described. Pretty sure most viewers were surprised Jesse didn't say WTF when he pulled up to Mike at the liquor store.Walt being suspicious that Mike needed Jesse for some reason and not suspicious of the circumstances of Jesse being attacked makes no sense.Two weeks before Walt is grilling Jesse for every detail about how he killed Gale. Then in this instance he doesn't even ask what went down at the last drop. Yeah makes sense.Haven't heard one good reason why no one see my POV. Other then we are the viewer and are privy to more info then the characters. Which makes no sense.You are all of the thinking that Walt just thinks it's a coincidence and not worth mentioning that Jesse was taken by Mike for no apparent reason then at the last drop is attacked by a guy wielding a shotgun. Yeah that is logical and not shoddy. :wall:
Dude, stop, it was spelled out for you.Here's what went down. Jesse was so psyched that he did something right, that he wasn't even thinking that it could be a set up. All he wanted to do was show Mike that he was capable and when Mike validated it for him, it made his year. The guy has been in need of someone telling him "good job" since the beginning of the show, Walt never does it.We all understand that you would have written it a different way but I think most of us are satisfied with the way the writers presented it to us. We like their version better than yours, is that okay with you?
I'm glad the writers of the show were not satisfied with how it was left after that episode. Yeah I was the crazy one for voicing that things did not make sense. As pointed out by some the writers would still have time to clarify, which they did. But most of you were like dude, "You are alone in your opinion. You have knowledge as a viewer that Walt doesn't. The way they ended it made perfect sense. Give it up." :coffee:
 
Great episode:

1. Walt and Skylar tension - although I'm curious about the whole coin flip scenario, was she going to leave from there with the girl, but not her son? Walt's ego growing by the minute, makes me think he's going to do something big soon.

2. The cartel robberies (I assume it's the cartel). What this does is open the door for Walt's "out" if he does go to the cops. The nature of the truck robberies and potential to be discovered by cops could lead to a direct line of questioning/investigation into Gus. If Walt talks, Gus may not automatically point to Walt as the narc.

3. I have a feeling something bad will happen to the kid with the new car. He might get angry that it's being returned, go out on a wild driving spree and end up in a wreck. And that would be Walt's second real family casualty due to his new line of work.

4. Jesse and Mike - not too sure yet what to think. I doubt that Mike sung his praises for being so risky and I doubt that Mike assumes that Jesse could handle himself with true cartel enemies, or be cold blooded enough to flat out murder someone. But, what if his real test comes next week and they ask Jesse to murder the three women that Walt hired to clean the lab? If Jesse can get rid of innocent people to protect the business, then you'd know he's 100% gangsta.

5. Jesse and Walt - when Walt said "it's all about me"; the guy is completely oblivious to what's going on with Jesse and I think it's going to cost him. It definitely seems like a Jesse and Walt showdown are coming. He doesn't realize that his protege could be his replacement. If Jesse no longer cares about Walt, what's stopping them from killing Walt?

6. The shovel thing - I thought I had heard that meth heads love to do just about anything strenuous when they're high, as if they have so much energy they just want any way to get rid of it. Not real sure though.

I think no matter what, for Jesse to continue with Mike, he has to prove he's more than a methhead. I don't think the trickery he pulled with the two guys was enough, he has to go to the next level eventually to be in Mike's league.

 
Maybe someone explained this before but I'm still shuked about Skyler's problem with spending money. Walt "won" a bundle gambling, said "winnings" were substantiated with receipts and they just used over $800k to buy the car wash. But somehow they aren't supposed to have the money to buy their son a car? :confused:
Anyone?
 
Walt: Where the hell have you been Jesse? I thought you were in danger.Jesse: Nah, Mike took me along for the pickups. Guess he needed protection.Walt: Mike needed you for protection?Jesse: Good thing he brought me. At the end of the day, out in the middle of nowhere, some guy tried to kill me.Walt: Want to go get a bite to eat?Yeah makes sense guys.
Give it up man. No one agrees with you.
Please. It basically went down as I described. Pretty sure most viewers were surprised Jesse didn't say WTF when he pulled up to Mike at the liquor store.Walt being suspicious that Mike needed Jesse for some reason and not suspicious of the circumstances of Jesse being attacked makes no sense.Two weeks before Walt is grilling Jesse for every detail about how he killed Gale. Then in this instance he doesn't even ask what went down at the last drop. Yeah makes sense.Haven't heard one good reason why no one see my POV. Other then we are the viewer and are privy to more info then the characters. Which makes no sense.You are all of the thinking that Walt just thinks it's a coincidence and not worth mentioning that Jesse was taken by Mike for no apparent reason then at the last drop is attacked by a guy wielding a shotgun. Yeah that is logical and not shoddy. :wall:
Dude, stop, it was spelled out for you.Here's what went down. Jesse was so psyched that he did something right, that he wasn't even thinking that it could be a set up. All he wanted to do was show Mike that he was capable and when Mike validated it for him, it made his year. The guy has been in need of someone telling him "good job" since the beginning of the show, Walt never does it.We all understand that you would have written it a different way but I think most of us are satisfied with the way the writers presented it to us. We like their version better than yours, is that okay with you?
I'm glad the writers of the show were not satisfied with how it was left after that episode. Yeah I was the crazy one for voicing that things did not make sense. As pointed out by some the writers would still have time to clarify, which they did. But most of you were like dude, "You are alone in your opinion. You have knowledge as a viewer that Walt doesn't. The way they ended it made perfect sense. Give it up." :coffee:
Last I checked Jesse still doesn't think anything is up (maybe even less so now) and Walt was always suspicious (only now more explicit and figured out the setup). I don't see how this is any different than it was.
 
I don't think Mike thinks Jesse is Mike Jr. or Victor material, but I do think we're seeing Mike start to realize he's under-estimated Jesse. He's seeing things like Jesse out-smarting him about the money theif and how he at least had some outside-the-box ideas about the meth heads, and slowly is realizing Gus may actually start thinking what Walt (and maybe even Gus, if what he said wasn't just to held drive the wedge) have seen in him.

Just don't let Mike and Gus ever find out about the robot incident!

 
Walt: Where the hell have you been Jesse? I thought you were in danger.

Jesse: Nah, Mike took me along for the pickups. Guess he needed protection.

Walt: Mike needed you for protection?

Jesse: Good thing he brought me. At the end of the day, out in the middle of nowhere, some guy tried to kill me.

Walt: Want to go get a bite to eat?

Yeah makes sense guys.
Give it up man. No one agrees with you.
Please. It basically went down as I described. Pretty sure most viewers were surprised Jesse didn't say WTF when he pulled up to Mike at the liquor store.

Walt being suspicious that Mike needed Jesse for some reason and not suspicious of the circumstances of Jesse being attacked makes no sense.

Two weeks before Walt is grilling Jesse for every detail about how he killed Gale. Then in this instance he doesn't even ask what went down at the last drop. Yeah makes sense.

Haven't heard one good reason why no one see my POV. Other then we are the viewer and are privy to more info then the characters. Which makes no sense.

You are all of the thinking that Walt just thinks it's a coincidence and not worth mentioning that Jesse was taken by Mike for no apparent reason then at the last drop is attacked by a guy wielding a shotgun. Yeah that is logical and not shoddy.

:wall:
Dude, stop, it was spelled out for you.Here's what went down. Jesse was so psyched that he did something right, that he wasn't even thinking that it could be a set up. All he wanted to do was show Mike that he was capable and when Mike validated it for him, it made his year. The guy has been in need of someone telling him "good job" since the beginning of the show, Walt never does it.

We all understand that you would have written it a different way but I think most of us are satisfied with the way the writers presented it to us. We like their version better than yours, is that okay with you?
I'm glad the writers of the show were not satisfied with how it was left after that episode. Yeah I was the crazy one for voicing that things did not make sense. As pointed out by some the writers would still have time to clarify, which they did. But most of you were like dude, "You are alone in your opinion. You have knowledge as a viewer that Walt doesn't. The way they ended it made perfect sense. Give it up." :coffee:
Last I checked Jesse still doesn't think anything is up (maybe even less so now) and Walt was always suspicious (only now more explicit and figured out the setup). I don't see how this is any different than it was.
Except I don't know, Walt figured out the setup and brought the possibility up to Jesse. Yeah that's not much different then no suspicions at all. :loco:
 
Great episode.Did anyone else notice that Skylar looked a little bit scared? I think she ran because of fear of Walt, but decided to come back. This might play out later with her going to the cops on Walt -anything to protect the family, right?Also how do you guys think Mike's review of Jesse's work with the meth heads went - I would not be surprised if Mike said something like "he choose to put us in danger unnecessarily, when all we had to do was wait." Then again maybe Gus really does see that Jesse could be useful.
So what episode do you think it'll be when Walter has to kill his wife?
 

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