honky kong
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I had the same thought.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Because the rendezvous was 6 miles away.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
I figured that it had something to do with US Border Patrol, radar, vast distances of nothingness where an approaching car would be noticeable, etc. Gus mentioned that there were many ways to get from US to Mexico (boat, plane, truck, tunnel, walking, etc.), but only one way to get back - the buddy that he mentioned would help him get back to the US.
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Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Am I the only one that thinks the show would be just fine without Walt?
Don Quixote
Footballguy
That was my thought too. US has no problem with any person getting out of the country (unless there is a warrant out for that person). Their primary concern is people coming into the US.
beer 30
Footballguy
Yes, Walt is the show.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My PC was in the shop. Thanks for picking me up. Tanner appreciates it.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Just thinking back to the Wire when they basically did a whole season without McNulty being the show.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
When Skyler visited Ted, he tripped on the rug when walking to answer the door.
I figured that would come into play later. Gilligan doesn't usually show seemingly minor stuff like that without a payoff.
I figured that would come into play later. Gilligan doesn't usually show seemingly minor stuff like that without a payoff.
Abraham
Footballguy
I agree that the other story lines have been more compelling then Walt this season. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that whereas I once was rooting for Walt I now find him to be annoying - he's arrogant yet spineless, a genius who does some stupid things. He's tough yet fearful, deliberate but wholly unsure of what to do. Yet the more I begin to dislike Walt the more I realize how amazing his character is. He's like an actual real person. While some of the premise of the show is hard to believe, the various things that happen to walt and that walt does are very believable.
I have really enjoyed learning more about Gus and Mike this season. ANd I've been watching Season 2 on Netflix and it's amazing how much Jesse has changed. But this is still a show about a nerdy chemistry teacher with cancer trying to gin up some scheme to provide for his family. The "nutshell" of the show can be broken down to small pieces that all look the same no matter how small they get: guy tries to do right but ends up further and further down the rabbit hole towards an imminent collision with his own destruction, a destruction that could have been had much more easily if he'd never started any of this.
I have really enjoyed learning more about Gus and Mike this season. ANd I've been watching Season 2 on Netflix and it's amazing how much Jesse has changed. But this is still a show about a nerdy chemistry teacher with cancer trying to gin up some scheme to provide for his family. The "nutshell" of the show can be broken down to small pieces that all look the same no matter how small they get: guy tries to do right but ends up further and further down the rabbit hole towards an imminent collision with his own destruction, a destruction that could have been had much more easily if he'd never started any of this.
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Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
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Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
Going into this, Walt figured he was going to die anyway so what did he have to lose? Albeit initially it was death from the the cancer, now it may be under considerable different circumstances. I think this is why he doesn't have as much of a problem as "a regular guy" taking all of these risks. His mindset is that he is a short-timer on this earth and he is going to do what he has to do to save/provide for his family. That part of his psyche hasn't changed from day one of the series.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Ways Walt gets out his hole:
1) Finds a way to get the money needed to disappear OR kills a family member so he needs less money
(not going to happen IMO)
2) Kills Hank
(possible, but show down between Hank and Walt would play better next season)
3) Kills Jesse
(I think 2 might be more likely, even if he did this I don't think his job would have much of a shelf-life assuming he can get rehired by Gus)
4) Kills Gus
(This one is tricky, the way the show has played out - it would not be believable, also have a hard time seeing Mike and the other guy respect him even if he did manage to pull it off - plus it seems complicated since Walt is not into distribution)
5) Teams up with Tio
(I know, I know, ...does Tio have anything of value to help Walt, he certainly has motivation - the scene of Walt trying to communicate with Tio could be comical, "bigger than a bread box?, 1 ring for yes, no ring for no")
6) Comes clean (Skyler is going to push for this), offers to testify against Gus and company for immunity and a new identity via witness protection.
(doesn't seem to fit the profile of the show)
7) What am I missing?
One thing I will say is Walt has hit rock bottom, literally in the basement of his house - things can only get better for his character from here on out - maybe we start to see some of his genius, maybe he finds a way to pull off some large explosion killing Gus and his two cronies...
1) Finds a way to get the money needed to disappear OR kills a family member so he needs less money
(not going to happen IMO)
2) Kills Hank
(possible, but show down between Hank and Walt would play better next season)
3) Kills Jesse
(I think 2 might be more likely, even if he did this I don't think his job would have much of a shelf-life assuming he can get rehired by Gus)
4) Kills Gus
(This one is tricky, the way the show has played out - it would not be believable, also have a hard time seeing Mike and the other guy respect him even if he did manage to pull it off - plus it seems complicated since Walt is not into distribution)
5) Teams up with Tio
(I know, I know, ...does Tio have anything of value to help Walt, he certainly has motivation - the scene of Walt trying to communicate with Tio could be comical, "bigger than a bread box?, 1 ring for yes, no ring for no")
6) Comes clean (Skyler is going to push for this), offers to testify against Gus and company for immunity and a new identity via witness protection.
(doesn't seem to fit the profile of the show)
7) What am I missing?
One thing I will say is Walt has hit rock bottom, literally in the basement of his house - things can only get better for his character from here on out - maybe we start to see some of his genius, maybe he finds a way to pull off some large explosion killing Gus and his two cronies...
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It almost seems like the writers have painted themselves into a corner with Walt given there are so many episodes remaining. Assuming the whole family does NOT pack up and begin new lives in Sweden, how will he remain a relevant character? Will he invent another meth that's superior to even the blue? Will he go to work for the DEA, forming a Dynamic Duo with Hank to take down Gus?
prefontaine
Footballguy
I doubt Walt finds an "out." In most circumstances to this point random outside events (deus ex machina) have been his savior. Tuco vs Hank. Gus vs the Brothers. Jane vs heroin. etc etc. All have been believable but those curves are how he has gotten this far, not because he has made good decisions himself. He's been in over his head since day one and my guess is the out here is not by Walt doing anything but by other parties getting involved.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
There's also Walt's own medical bills and the car he bought and burned.
Abraham
Footballguy
Good posting.
Well we already "know" that Walt will do someone horrible by the end of the current season. We don't know what that is.Perhaps another "out" that hasn't been discussed is maybe he can get Jessie using again, thus making Walt a player now
The Gator
Footballguy
It drove me nuts that he grabbed his coffee cup to go answer the door
The Gator
Footballguy
At this point, Walt or Jesse need to be killed. For both of them to continue to find outs will be silly.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
I'm thinking Walt gives whatever money they have left to Skyler to take Flynn and the baby and hide while he takes care of business. "Scarface" style.
i agree with much of this. i suspect Walt has enough money to get them out and set them up for a while. meantime, he goes rogue by himself, but i don't think he has it in him to just try to knock everybody else off. i think he will need to take out either Jesse or Gus. he's already shown the willingness to attack Jesse (albeit in a losing hand fight) and he desperately needs to be needed. if Walt kills Jesse, then Gus is back to the beginning, needing Walt to cook for him with no other real alternatives. plus Gus gets the higher quality meth from Walt.i think Walt does have it in him to kill Jesse. maybe he'll harden even more as he sets his sights on Gus in season five.one other thought, wasn't the series in jeopardy of not getting picked up for season five? i get the feeling that Vince Gilligan may have been writing season four with the idea that he'd need an out for Walt should the show end with this season. now he needs to string the story line along for season five. am i all wet in thinking this?
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
You didn't see the ending yesterday?It's kill or be killed time and given that they aren't going to kill Walt's character off now it'll be interesting who lives and dies.
honky kong
Footballguy
the ending showed that Walt has some money but not enough to protect his whole family. that's why i think he'll send them packing with whatever they can scratch together. but Walt knows he'll need more cash and, more importantly for Walt, protection. his best protection is to be needed. that's why i think Walt kills Jesse. what does Gus do with Walt if Jesse is dead? is Walt expendable? Gus is a business man and he does not want production halted. as for Walt warning Hank, Gus said he'd kill Walt and his family. but if the Whites are in hiding, and if Walt is the best cook Gus has left, i could see the season wrapping up with Walt cooking for Gus under duress (as in kept hostage in the superlab, not seeing the light of day.)
It's kill or be killed time and given that they aren't going to kill Walt's character off now it'll be interesting who lives and dies.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I thought this was cool too. But they could have voiced over. It was a far-away shot so we (I?) couldn't seem them actually speaking. Maybe they took the shot and filled the words in afterwards.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Anything is possible but don't think they'll just walk away from Car Wash and better yet Hank and his wife. Hank's wife just spoke with Skylar so if Skylar just takes off that doesn't make sense. Walt has known for a year now that his life was running out so now it's kill or be killed.I think Jess and Walt will not kill one another and in fact while Jesse is pissed at Walt it's clear when he told Gus that Walt dies, he walks. Even Gus told Walt in time Jesse will turn against him which shows when it comes down to it right now Jesse is still on Walt's side. It's a sick relationship but that was clear in yesterday's episode. They have that dysfunctional family type relationship that you can fight and hate that person but will back them up.the ending showed that Walt has some money but not enough to protect his whole family. that's why i think he'll send them packing with whatever they can scratch together. but Walt knows he'll need more cash and, more importantly for Walt, protection. his best protection is to be needed. that's why i think Walt kills Jesse. what does Gus do with Walt if Jesse is dead? is Walt expendable? Gus is a business man and he does not want production halted. as for Walt warning Hank, Gus said he'd kill Walt and his family. but if the Whites are in hiding, and if Walt is the best cook Gus has left, i could see the season wrapping up with Walt cooking for Gus under duress (as in kept hostage in the superlab, not seeing the light of day.)
It's kill or be killed time and given that they aren't going to kill Walt's character off now it'll be interesting who lives and dies.
Remember Jesse has no idea that Walt was taken away and what Gus told Hank yet.
Hank started this whole mess so it's time for him to correct it, live or die.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
I should have been more specific. He didn't know they were going to rough him up and then threaten to kill his entire family. I am confident if Jesse had to pick who dies (Walt or Gus) he'd still side with Walt. Will be exciting if anything happens significantly end of this season.I really think Walt has really no option but to eliminate Gus and whoever wants Walt out of the picture. He can't up root his family and hide now and he can't just start a new life.'TexanFan02 said:It was Jesse's suggestion that Gus "fire" Walt. I took this play as being Gus's attempt to appease Jesse, but in his own way.'Walton Goggins said:Anything is possible but don't think they'll just walk away from Car Wash and better yet Hank and his wife. Hank's wife just spoke with Skylar so if Skylar just takes off that doesn't make sense. Walt has known for a year now that his life was running out so now it's kill or be killed.I think Jess and Walt will not kill one another and in fact while Jesse is pissed at Walt it's clear when he told Gus that Walt dies, he walks. Even Gus told Walt in time Jesse will turn against him which shows when it comes down to it right now Jesse is still on Walt's side. It's a sick relationship but that was clear in yesterday's episode. They have that dysfunctional family type relationship that you can fight and hate that person but will back them up.'pecorino said:the ending showed that Walt has some money but not enough to protect his whole family. that's why i think he'll send them packing with whatever they can scratch together. but Walt knows he'll need more cash and, more importantly for Walt, protection. his best protection is to be needed. that's why i think Walt kills Jesse. what does Gus do with Walt if Jesse is dead? is Walt expendable? Gus is a business man and he does not want production halted. as for Walt warning Hank, Gus said he'd kill Walt and his family. but if the Whites are in hiding, and if Walt is the best cook Gus has left, i could see the season wrapping up with Walt cooking for Gus under duress (as in kept hostage in the superlab, not seeing the light of day.)'Walton Goggins said:'pecorino said:
It's kill or be killed time and given that they aren't going to kill Walt's character off now it'll be interesting who lives and dies.
Remember Jesse has no idea that Walt was taken away and what Gus told Hank yet.
Hank started this whole mess so it's time for him to correct it, live or die.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
I think we're writing off Hank and the role he could play here. He is definitely smarter than we give him credit. He's certainly suspicious of Walt for intentionally crashing the car (after trying to convince him that the laundromat was a long shot) as well as for Walt not explaining why (and from whom) he took a beat down on his face.
whoknew
Footballguy
And the Walt Whitman poem (to WW). And the time when Walt got drunk at the dinner table. Its just the looks he gives Walt. Like you said, Hank is really smart.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Giancarlo Esposito's man-nipples are glorious.
corpcow
Footballguy
Remember, he went to Harvard... oh wait, no that's just the actor.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
They made a point of showing Mike getting the short end of the medical stick last week. I think Mike and Walt team up in some way.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Worked out well for Walt when he suggested that earlier this season.
Big_Russel
Footballguy
Just re-watched this weeks episode and something caught my attention about the closing shot.
As the camera panned away from Walt laying in the crawl space it looks eerily like he is in a coffin.
I think that shot was meant to signify the death of the Walter White as we knew him. The darkside of his character (Heizenberg(sp)) is the only one will we see from here on out. JMO
As the camera panned away from Walt laying in the crawl space it looks eerily like he is in a coffin.
I think that shot was meant to signify the death of the Walter White as we knew him. The darkside of his character (Heizenberg(sp)) is the only one will we see from here on out. JMO
corpcow
Footballguy
Uhm, yeah. I thought him laying in the dirt, with a small opening, and the eerie pulsating pan was pretty clearly symbolic of that.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
I ####### hope so. It would be about time.
The Noid
Avoid me!
There are a lot of people hanging their hopes on this "big, evil thing" Walt is supposedly going to do, because of some comments made by Gilligan. But I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to think he might have just been referring to the direction/decisions Walt makes throughout this season as the thing Walt does to make people hate him. It could have just been the way he's treated Jesse.
Anything short of Walt slipping Hank some Ricin at a family dinner is going to make a lot people here feel like they were mislead or lied to.
Anything short of Walt slipping Hank some Ricin at a family dinner is going to make a lot people here feel like they were mislead or lied to.
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Thinking maybe Walt could threaten Jesse by saying if he cooks without him then Jesse's chick and son will be in danger. Walt's family has been threatened. Could see him threatening Jesse's. Perhaps that's why the chick and her son popped up again and Jesse was so aggressive with Walt getting him away from them.
If he can persuade Jesse not to cook without him then lot of the problems are solved/putoff.
Can't wait for Gus' henchman, the one tormenting Walt, to die. Want to punch him in the face.
If he can persuade Jesse not to cook without him then lot of the problems are solved/putoff.
Can't wait for Gus' henchman, the one tormenting Walt, to die. Want to punch him in the face.
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Walton Goggins
Footballguy
There's what two more this season and 16 more episodes left? That's a ton of action to be had. I wouldn't be surprise sometime next season Walt's cancer comes back and told he doesn't have long to live so he ends up eliminating the people who he feels has wronged him and/or potentially be a threat to his family once he dies.Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if something non of us has thrown out there ends up happening.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
I don't think he would threaten Jesse like that because he's smart enough to know that he's only alive because Jesse told Gus to not kill him. If he threatens Jesse's "family" that's a quick ticket to death. I could see Walt convincing Jesse that Gus has threatened him and his family and it's only a matter of time that Gus will do that to Jesse so he must be stopped.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I can see that too. Walt's personality since the fight with Jesse and his conversation with Walter Jr seems to have completely changed, and I think was the most "Jekyll" we have seen out of him all season. I could see things going either way with Walt -- killing Hank would be the easy "out", but he did just put his life and his family's life in danger to try to save Hank.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Plus all of Hank's medical billsWalt's apartment, the car he blew up and Saul's cleanup. Saul's fees. etc.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
That's what everyone is assuming here but there really was no indication that he actually died. Even when the two guys were in Saul's office, it was never mentioned that he was dead. Saul was just lamenting over the fact that "now THIS happens..."
