Breaking Bad on AMC (4 Viewers)

[Brady Marino]

Up to Season 4, Episode 2. Watched "Fly" earlier today. I'm sorry, but on the third watch, it's still boring as hell and added little to the storyline. Sure the performances were good, but it felt like it took a storyline moving at breakneck speed and slammed it to a screeching halt.

 

[jamny]

Up to Season 4, Episode 2. Watched "Fly" earlier today. I'm sorry, but on the third watch, it's still boring as hell and added little to the storyline. Sure the performances were good, but it felt like it took a storyline moving at breakneck speed and slammed it to a screeching halt.

I really liked it the first time I saw it. It was different and very well done. Upon rewatching the series it does come across as filler and isn't as enjoyable knowing where the story goes from there.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Just finished season 4. :wow:

So what DID happen to the cig? Saul's guy got it but they didnt use it? What diff did it make which poison was used?

 

[pantherclub]

Just finished season 4. :wow:So what DID happen to the cig? Saul's guy got it but they didnt use it? What diff did it make which poison was used?

How did he get it to the kid in a short time frame?I think in season 5 jessie starts to ask questions about it and then we are off.

 

[jamny]

I'm thinking of rewatching the commentary versions of the first four seasons of the series. I only watched a couple of them for some favorite episodes, but they definitely gave some insight into things that were easy to have missed.

Spoiler

Like the big guy who seached Jesse at Saul's place pocketing the ricin cigarette in his pocket. I missed seeing it first time, but it's there when you know what to look for. Same thing about the Lily of the Valley, it was there at the beginning of the episode, foreshadowing the end of the episode.

Just rewatched the scene and still don't know how he got the cigarette from Jesse. He might have been able to get the pack but not a single cigarette during that search.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Actuallly, he probably switched two packs.

 

[phishphan]

Just finished season 4. :wow:So what DID happen to the cig? Saul's guy got it but they didnt use it? What diff did it make which poison was used?

Spoiler

ricin would have killed the boy. Walt didn't want to kill him, he just wanted it to look like someone had intentionally poisoned him.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Walt is a ####### mastermind. Unstable and coughing again, but very calculating and perceptive. Maybe now he knows when not to put his cards on the table. Going to be interesting final season(s) without knowing the foil really right now other than hank and possibly jesse (and mike?).

 

[identikit]

At the end of Episode 1.4:

the 'Ken Wins' license plate guy, as his car is burning to a crisp: 'Call the fire people!'

 

[Bangers Beans and Mash]

Just finished season 3, waiting for season 4 to come on AMC next week since its not on Netflix yet.

Found this interesting over at wiki

Vince Gilligan originally intended for Jesse Pinkman's character to be killed at the end of Breaking Bad's first season. Originally, Gilligan wanted Jesse to die in a botched drug deal as a plot device to plague the main protagonist Walter White with guilt. However, Gilligan said by the second episode of the season, he was so impressed with Jesse's character and Aaron Paul's performance that "it became pretty clear early on that would be a huge, colossal mistake, to kill off Jesse".



Couldnt imagine the show without Jesse

 

[Raider Nation]

Found this interesting over at wiki

Vince Gilligan originally intended for Jesse Pinkman's character to be killed at the end of Breaking Bad's first season. Originally, Gilligan wanted Jesse to die in a botched drug deal as a plot device to plague the main protagonist Walter White with guilt. However, Gilligan said by the second episode of the season, he was so impressed with Jesse's character and Aaron Paul's performance that "it became pretty clear early on that would be a huge, colossal mistake, to kill off Jesse".

Link to a post which links to a post with video

 

[badmojo1006]

I.F.T

How many more times am I going to say "Holy Crap!" in this series?

 

[Raider Nation]

I.F.T

That episode title rules.

 

[Major]

Thanks to those AMC late night reruns, I watched the series for the second time in unison. I've been watching this show since the start but it was nice to see it again with different eyes. It's one of those shows that you still enjoy even though you know what's going to happen.

I think I originally said I liked Season 3 over 4 but after a second viewing, I'd give the edge to 4. Salud is up there with some of my favorite episodes in TV history. There was just too much awesome that season. Practically every episode was pins and needles. No Fly. Season 4 gets my vote

on only getting 8 episodes this summer

 

[Sebowski]

I'm thinking of rewatching the commentary versions of the first four seasons of the series. I only watched a couple of them for some favorite episodes, but they definitely gave some insight into things that were easy to have missed.

Spoiler

Like the big guy who seached Jesse at Saul's place pocketing the ricin cigarette in his pocket. I missed seeing it first time, but it's there when you know what to look for. Same thing about the Lily of the Valley, it was there at the beginning of the episode, foreshadowing the end of the episode.

Just rewatched the scene and still don't know how he got the cigarette from Jesse. He might have been able to get the pack but not a single cigarette during that search.Watching this episode now. Hule goes right to his pocket with his left hand after padding Jesse down. Had to be a pack switch.

 

[Sebowski]

I'm thinking of rewatching the commentary versions of the first four seasons of the series. I only watched a couple of them for some favorite episodes, but they definitely gave some insight into things that were easy to have missed.

Spoiler

Like the big guy who seached Jesse at Saul's place pocketing the ricin cigarette in his pocket. I missed seeing it first time, but it's there when you know what to look for. Same thing about the Lily of the Valley, it was there at the beginning of the episode, foreshadowing the end of the episode.

Spoiler

Just rewatched the scene and still don't know how he got the cigarette from Jesse. He might have been able to get the pack but not a single cigarette during that search.

Watching this episode now. Hule goes right to his pocket with his left hand after padding Jesse down. Had to be a pack switch.Completely random 1am speculation time.....Brock recognizes Bill Burn and Jesse starts putting #### together.

 

[badmojo1006]

Thanks to those AMC late night reruns, I watched the series for the second time in unison. I've been watching this show since the start but it was nice to see it again with different eyes. It's one of those shows that you still enjoy even though you know what's going to happen.

I think I originally said I liked Season 3 over 4 but after a second viewing, I'd give the edge to 4. Salud is up there with some of my favorite episodes in TV history. There was just too much awesome that season. Practically every episode was pins and needles. No Fly. Season 4 gets my vote

on only getting 8 episodes this summer

Effen DISH Network

 

[badmojo1006]

Just finished the penultimate episode of Season 3

To Marie giving Hank a hannie in the hospital bed

Walt running over the dealers then shooting the one still moving??

"Run"

 

[prosopis]

That is great

 

[Raider Nation]

Yeah, this was cool.

 

[Brady Marino]

Yeah, this was cool.

"Hey! Welcome to *BOOOOOOOOMMM!!*"Great scene. Top 5 for the series, IMO.

 

[Wingnut]

Yeah, this was cool.

As was

.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yeah, this was cool.

As was

I love how the prospective home buyers looked inquisitively at the patched up ceiling where the bathtub was.Jesse says "Oh... the house is settling."

 

[identikit]

2 minute sneak peek video from episode 5.1:

My link

 

[Chaka]

I.F.T How many more times am I going to say "Holy Crap!" in this series?

136 more times.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So far up thru season 3, gotta tape season 4 which starts again leading right up to the Season 5 premiere. Have shown this show to many friends and most have been hooked. This show has some flaws but they are forgivable. I ruin things so I kinda have some idea what is going to happen at least at the end of season 4, still will be happy to finally catch up.

Gonna suck when this show ends but I have been entertained so much in the last couple years form this show that I can't really complain.

 

[Raider Nation]

So far up thru season 3, gotta tape season 4

You got a sweet VHS, bro?

 

[Goat Herders]

Jane's about to OD here in a bit, IIRC.

Walt is racing all over town while his kid is being born.

This show is awesome.

 

[Goat Herders]

"They knew where to look for the blue stufff.....it was uncanny....I mean, say someting...yell at me or someting Mr White."

 

[Raider Nation]

Jane's about to OD here in a bit, IIRC.

She had it coming. She was a huge C-word.

 

[bonesman]

Jane's about to OD here in a bit, IIRC.

She had it coming. She was a huge C-word.

Cutie? Indeed

 

[Raider Nation]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

 

[wildbill]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

 

[identikit]

Jane's about to OD here in a bit, IIRC.

She had it coming. She was a huge C-word.

Cutie? Indeed

Nice irony in Walt taking extra care in ensuring that baby Holly doesn't sleep on her back for safety's sake.

 

[Abraham]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Yup.I had forgotten that it's also the same episode where Walt gets frustrated with Saul because the only laundering ideas Saul has relate to anonymous gifts and inheritance. Walt insists that his family know the HE earned the money somehow.

Saul: "I know a guy, who knows a guy....who knows a guy.....whose brother is a freaky good computer programmer in Russia or somewhere."

 

[Raider Nation]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

I think he loves him as much as Heisenberg can love anyone. There have been plenty of times he's gone out of his way to save his skin.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

I think he loves him as much as Heisenberg can love anyone. There have been plenty of times he's gone out of his way to save his skin.

Walt only cares about Walt. If he saved Jesse, it was because it was in his best interest to do so.Would he have poisoned Brock if he loved Jesse like a son?

 

[shader]

At times the writers push you into wanting Walt and Jesse to be a father-son team that stick together. But at no point are they actually that way. I think many of us envisioned their relationship continuing to grow and for them to get closer. But BB is such an awesome show because it doesn't do what you expect it to do. Walt and Jesse never really grow closer and as Walt breaks bad, he continues to use Jesse.

There is some sort of loyalty there, as Jesse won't allow Gus to kill Walt, and Walt many times saved Jesse's hide when Gus wanted him gone. But that loyalty still has never blossomed into a true friendship or a solid relationship.

It will be interesting to see if the writers eventually pit Jesse against Walt or if the two team up against the eventual showdown with Hank.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm thinking of rewatching the commentary versions of the first four seasons of the series. I only watched a couple of them for some favorite episodes, but they definitely gave some insight into things that were easy to have missed.

Spoiler

Like the big guy who seached Jesse at Saul's place pocketing the ricin cigarette in his pocket. I missed seeing it first time, but it's there when you know what to look for. Same thing about the Lily of the Valley, it was there at the beginning of the episode, foreshadowing the end of the episode.

Spoiler

Just rewatched the scene and still don't know how he got the cigarette from Jesse. He might have been able to get the pack but not a single cigarette during that search.

Watching this episode now. Hule goes right to his pocket with his left hand after padding Jesse down. Had to be a pack switch.

 

[pollardsvision]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

I think he loves him as much as Heisenberg can love anyone. There have been plenty of times he's gone out of his way to save his skin.

Walt only cares about Walt. If he saved Jesse, it was because it was in his best interest to do so.Would he have poisoned Brock if he loved Jesse like a son?

Self-centered #######s have sons too, right?I think Walt loves Jesse like a son. He even called his own son "Jesse" following Jesse beating the hell out of him.

I think he knew Brock wouldn't die.

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

 

[Raider Nation]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

 

[identikit]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

Yeah, no kidding.Walt is better off without Jane.

 

[wildbill]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

Check out the end of Half Measures.

 

[pollardsvision]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

Yeah, no kidding.Walt is better off without Jane.

You guys really don't think Jesse is better off without Jane? What was the upside of their relationship?Not that her death wasn't a tragedy, but it's clearly good for Jesse long-term. I doubt Walt thought through all of that when he let her die, but I think Walt acts differently in that situation if the Jane/Jesse relationship was a positive one.He didn't let the love of Jesse's life die. He let the woman that would destroy him die. Slight difference.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

I think he loves him as much as Heisenberg can love anyone. There have been plenty of times he's gone out of his way to save his skin.

Walt only cares about Walt. If he saved Jesse, it was because it was in his best interest to do so.Would he have poisoned Brock if he loved Jesse like a son?

Hence my comment about Heisenberg loving Jesse only to the extent which he's capable. There's no question Waltenberg is a self centered jerkoff. He puts himself above all others. Jesse is among the others fighting for second place in Walt's heart. If Skylar, Flynn, and Jesse were drowning in a lake I wonder which he would save.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jane's about to OD

So here's a question. It's probably impossible to answer with any certainty since we're not in Gilligan's head, but tell me what you guys think based on what we know about this character called Walt.If he had known - somehow - that the kindly gentleman he just shared a drink with was Jane's father, would he have still allowed her to die?

Absolutely. He loves Jesse like a son, and that wasn't enough to stop him from letting her die.

Huh? He seems to "tolerate" Jesse. I'm not sure where loving him like a son is evident.

Check out the end of Half Measures.

Notes from that episode:

Jesse decides to make a move, even if it's a dangerous and self-destructive one, and is let down repeatedly when Walt first refuses to back his play, then betrays him to Gus. Jesse has been hurt many times in this series (and, of course, has done plenty of things to hurt others), but Aaron Paul has never shown him looking as betrayed as he does in that moment in the chicken trailer when Walt says nothing to back him up in the argument about using kids.

.....

When he killed Krazy-8, and when he let Jane die, he looked horrified at what he had done, and what he was becoming. There was a sadness at what he had lost (and at what his victims had lost). When he puts a bullet in the head of the dealer, all we see is anger that Jesse put him in position to do it.

 

[Raider Nation]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

Yeah, no kidding.Walt is better off without Jane.

You guys really don't think Jesse is better off without Jane? What was the upside of their relationship?Not that her death wasn't a tragedy, but it's clearly good for Jesse long-term. I doubt Walt thought through all of that when he let her die, but I think Walt acts differently in that situation if the Jane/Jesse relationship was a positive one.He didn't let the love of Jesse's life die. He let the woman that would destroy him die. Slight difference.

In the few seconds when he decided to let her die, I don't think he gave a single thought as to what was best for Jesse.

 

[identikit]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

Yeah, no kidding.Walt is better off without Jane.

You guys really don't think Jesse is better off without Jane? What was the upside of their relationship?Not that her death wasn't a tragedy, but it's clearly good for Jesse long-term. I doubt Walt thought through all of that when he let her die, but I think Walt acts differently in that situation if the Jane/Jesse relationship was a positive one.He didn't let the love of Jesse's life die. He let the woman that would destroy him die. Slight difference.

In the few seconds when he decided to let her die, I don't think he gave a single thought as to what was best for Jesse.

Jane was blackmailing Walt, potentially ruining all of his plans.That was the primary tipping point for Walt imo.Any long-term effect Jane would have on Jessie, if even considered, was a long ways from Walt's prime motivation at that moment.

 

[Raider Nation]

He also knew Jesse would eventually be better off without Jane.

Yeah, no kidding.Walt is better off without Jane.

You guys really don't think Jesse is better off without Jane? What was the upside of their relationship?Not that her death wasn't a tragedy, but it's clearly good for Jesse long-term.

I doubt Walt thought through all of that when he let her die, but I think Walt acts differently in that situation if the Jane/Jesse relationship was a positive one.

He didn't let the love of Jesse's life die. He let the woman that would destroy him die. Slight difference.

In the few seconds when he decided to let her die, I don't think he gave a single thought as to what was best for Jesse.

Jane was blackmailing Walt, potentially ruining all of his plans.That was the primary tipping point for Walt imo.

Any long-term effect Jane would have on Jessie, if even considered, was a long ways from Walt's prime motivation at that moment.

Let's see what our good buddy Sepinwall said about it at the time:

I spend a lot of time in these "Breaking Bad" reviews making comparisons to other movies and TV shows about crime and the drug trade, because creator Vince Gilligan openly invites them. His pitch for the show was and is "We're going to take Mr. Chips and turn him into Scarface." Various storylines and moments have echoes of "The Godfather," or "The Wire," or "The Sopranos," not least of which was Saul Goodman offering to be Walt's Tom Hagen a few weeks back.

The scene at the end of "Phoenix" wasn't quite as overt in its homage as the Hagen scene. For all I know, it may not have been intended as homage at all. But if you've seen "The Sopranos" it's impossible to watch and not think of Tony snuffing out Christopher's life after their car accident in "Kennedy and Heidi."

Now, Tony actively chooses to smother Christopher, while Walt simply lets Jane choke on her own vomit rather than turn her on her side (as Jane had done for Jesse earlier in the episode), but beyond that, it's the same scene: our crime lord protagonist doesn't go into the scene intending to kill anyone (or let anyone die through inaction), but when an opportunity presents itself to eliminate a troublesome junkie acquaintance -- someone who doesn't even pose a current threat, but who might one day be a problem -- he can't resist taking advantage of it.