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[identikit]

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.

But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way.

Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

I think this may be a bit of an oversimplification, and I think it is and always has been about his ego. He's very smart and wants to be the boss... something he was never able to be before, and he was largely unsuccessful in a professional context before.Also, if you recall the scene from last year, they DIDN'T say the car wash was profitable - Skyler said it was "almost profitable" when she was trying to talk him into "retirement". I think at this point, it's about power for Walt. He tasted it being under the thumb of Gus, and now having killed him is making him want to sieze that. Rmemeber the line about "just because you killed Jesse James doesn't make you Jesse James?"

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

 

[pollardsvision]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way. Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior."He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

 

[badmojo1006]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way. Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior."He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

I am hoping they clarify his leaving of Grey Matter. I think that will explain alot on his motivation

 

[wildbill]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

 

[Rooster]

I am hoping they clarify his leaving of Grey Matter. I think that will explain alot on his motivation

I hope so too. Walt's always seemed to have an issue with being adequately recognized for his brilliance and I think making his super meth is the first time where it's got him the respect he feels he deserves (felt slighted at Grey Matter and ended up a HS Chemistry teacher where he felt under appreciated) and I think that addiction to the respect is a bigger driver than money. At first, he wanted to use his skills to provide money for his family, but part of that journey has had him confront some very rough scenarios and in the beginning he was really timid and overly cautious but his chemistry skill always got him out of trouble or bought him some sort of respect (for example, with Gus, because no one else knew his formula and he was important). Now, though, the timidness is gone because I think he tasted a little of that respect he thinks he deserved and now he's going around acting like everyone should treat him with the respect that he's probably always thought he deserved and as he's lost the timidness, he's going to get a little careless along with it and that's going to be his ultimate downfall. I think this plays out as they show his attitude change as "The Man", they show him getting away with a few bouts of carelessness initially (which further reenforces his ego) and then his carelessness will be his downfall that drops him from the top of the food chain until he reaches the point in the opening scene.

 

[corpcow]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

Uhm... ok. That line was in the episode. If you think that's a spoiler, what's the ####### point of even coming to the thread in the first place? Later, #####.

 

[shader]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way. Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior."He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

Yeah I think we are all dancing around the same basic issues. I guess I just see it as more of a function of him having turned into a "bad guy", which kind of is the entire point of the series.At the beginning he had "noble" reasons for doing what he was doing. His ego caused him to make massive mistakes and stay involved at times when he probably didn't have to. We've also seen his ego cause him to say stupid stuff when he really didn't need to.I think the first four seasons were about Walt "breaking bad". This season, I'm of the opinion that he is now actually a BAD guy. He's has "broke bad" and now has fully embraced criminal activity regardless of the cost.Is it ego? Sure, he wants to be what Gus was. (ie, the line "If Gus can do it we can do it")Is it money? Sure, he still wants money and is now broke, although theoretically he could probably sell the business and get at least 500k.There are plenty of people with MASSIVE ego problems, that don't go out and kill people and try and become criminal masterminds. So to say his ego is driving it is an oversimplification, in my opinion.He's a bad guy with an ego problem and an insatiable desire to get money at any cost. It appears that the murder of Gus has completely finished his transition to "the dark side". He's now ready to engage in the criminal activities that he has gotten used to, and he doesn't even seem to try to rationalize it anymore.

 

[Major]

All these new Breaking Bad fans are quite irksome. Complaining about spoilers and just detracting from the thread. No one on here is a producer or writer on the show so it's ok for us to speculate. That's the fun of it. However, don't read my prognostications b/c they're normally correct i.e. Gomez is a mole.

 

[Sebowski]

All these new Breaking Bad fans are quite irksome. Complaining about spoilers and just detracting from the thread. No one on here is a producer or writer on the show so it's ok for us to speculate. That's the fun of it. However, don't read my prognostications b/c they're normally correct i.e. Gomez is a mole.

The only issue is with the "Scenes from Next Week" or interviews/podcasts with crew, and that comes up every season. Just use spoiler tags for it. It is really easy. Then this whole thing is done.

Spoiler

See?

 

[pollardsvision]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.

I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way.

Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.

It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior.

"He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

Yeah I think we are all dancing around the same basic issues. I guess I just see it as more of a function of him having turned into a "bad guy", which kind of is the entire point of the series.At the beginning he had "noble" reasons for doing what he was doing. His ego caused him to make massive mistakes and stay involved at times when he probably didn't have to. We've also seen his ego cause him to say stupid stuff when he really didn't need to.

I think the first four seasons were about Walt "breaking bad". This season, I'm of the opinion that he is now actually a BAD guy. He's has "broke bad" and now has fully embraced criminal activity regardless of the cost.

Is it ego? Sure, he wants to be what Gus was. (ie, the line "If Gus can do it we can do it")

Is it money? Sure, he still wants money and is now broke, although theoretically he could probably sell the business and get at least 500k.

There are plenty of people with MASSIVE ego problems, that don't go out and kill people and try and become criminal masterminds. So to say his ego is driving it is an oversimplification, in my opinion.

He's a bad guy with an ego problem and an insatiable desire to get money at any cost. It appears that the murder of Gus has completely finished his transition to "the dark side". He's now ready to engage in the criminal activities that he has gotten used to, and he doesn't even seem to try to rationalize it anymore.

Yeah, Season 4 was certainly the end of the viewer liking or rooting for Walt.I officially started hating him based on his reaction when Jesse started working as Mike's understudy.

The way he so matter-of-factly assumed this was a ploy on Gus' part. Clearly, Jesse was too big of an idiot for Gus to seriously think he could count on him. Of course, it was all about Walt.

I remember wondering how any of the BB characters could actually like this #######.

I was ready to choke him myself during that scene outside of the laundromat. Jesse pummeling him was cathartic to me, as a viewer.

 

[identikit]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

Uhm... ok. That line was in the episode. If you think that's a spoiler, what's the ####### point of even coming to the thread in the first place? Later, #####.

It was actually from the previews for next week.Nothing wrong with posting it, at all.

 

[Sebowski]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.

I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way.

Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.

It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior.

"He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

Yeah I think we are all dancing around the same basic issues. I guess I just see it as more of a function of him having turned into a "bad guy", which kind of is the entire point of the series.At the beginning he had "noble" reasons for doing what he was doing. His ego caused him to make massive mistakes and stay involved at times when he probably didn't have to. We've also seen his ego cause him to say stupid stuff when he really didn't need to.

I think the first four seasons were about Walt "breaking bad". This season, I'm of the opinion that he is now actually a BAD guy. He's has "broke bad" and now has fully embraced criminal activity regardless of the cost.

Is it ego? Sure, he wants to be what Gus was. (ie, the line "If Gus can do it we can do it")

Is it money? Sure, he still wants money and is now broke, although theoretically he could probably sell the business and get at least 500k.

There are plenty of people with MASSIVE ego problems, that don't go out and kill people and try and become criminal masterminds. So to say his ego is driving it is an oversimplification, in my opinion.

He's a bad guy with an ego problem and an insatiable desire to get money at any cost. It appears that the murder of Gus has completely finished his transition to "the dark side". He's now ready to engage in the criminal activities that he has gotten used to, and he doesn't even seem to try to rationalize it anymore.

Yeah, Season 4 was certainly the end of the viewer liking or rooting for Walt.I officially started hating him based on his reaction when Jesse started working as Mike's understudy.

The way he so matter-of-factly assumed this was a ploy on Gus' part. Clearly, Jesse was too big of an idiot for Gus to seriously think he could count on Jesse.

I was ready to choke him myself during that scene outside of the laundromat. Jesse pummeling him was cathartic to me, as a viewer.

But he was right.

 

[jdoggydogg]

All these new Breaking Bad fans are quite irksome. Complaining about spoilers and just detracting from the thread. No one on here is a producer or writer on the show so it's ok for us to speculate. That's the fun of it. However, don't read my prognostications b/c they're normally correct i.e. Gomez is a mole.

Whenever I frequent a TV thread, I don't read it unless I am caught up on all the episodes. I expect spoilers.

 

[pollardsvision]

3. The money he received from Gus has been filtered through the car wash. All of the sudden, the car wash starts reporting a HUGE loss of net sales and no one (i.e. the I.R.S.) is going to notice?

Skyler said the car wash was profitable on it's own, without the laundering.

I guess I can get why Walt might decide to go kingpin at this point if he was solo, but not why he'd risk endangering his kids yet.

His ego seems to be the overriding factor more and more with each episode.

Again, it's not his ego. He's just a criminal! Why do the mob open more and more businesses? Because they are the mob. Walt is a meth cook/supplier/dealer. That's what he is now.

Huh? His brilliance in his craft and ability to rule the market is what feeds his ego. Ego first, money second, "because he's a criminal" never.

Sure Walt has an ego. But that's not the point. The point is that when people ask "why doesn't he just go run a car wash", the simple answer is that he doesn't because he wants to be a criminal. Yes making money is a huge reason people engage in criminal activities.But at this point, he will kill, lie, manipulate, injure others and do anything possible to get his way.

Yes he wants money. Yes he has an ego. But the simple fact is that he is now just a bad guy. Bad guys do bad things. He used to debate what he was doing. He used to say he just wanted a certain amount of money and then he was out. Not anymore.

How about "he is a criminal because criminal behavior fulfills the desires of his ego"?I don't think anyone is really disagreeing here.

It's just that "criminal" describes the resulting behavior and "ego" describes a major factor contributing to that behavior.

"He's just a bad guy" really isn't a sufficient explanation of why he does what he does.

Yeah I think we are all dancing around the same basic issues. I guess I just see it as more of a function of him having turned into a "bad guy", which kind of is the entire point of the series.At the beginning he had "noble" reasons for doing what he was doing. His ego caused him to make massive mistakes and stay involved at times when he probably didn't have to. We've also seen his ego cause him to say stupid stuff when he really didn't need to.

I think the first four seasons were about Walt "breaking bad". This season, I'm of the opinion that he is now actually a BAD guy. He's has "broke bad" and now has fully embraced criminal activity regardless of the cost.

Is it ego? Sure, he wants to be what Gus was. (ie, the line "If Gus can do it we can do it")

Is it money? Sure, he still wants money and is now broke, although theoretically he could probably sell the business and get at least 500k.

There are plenty of people with MASSIVE ego problems, that don't go out and kill people and try and become criminal masterminds. So to say his ego is driving it is an oversimplification, in my opinion.

He's a bad guy with an ego problem and an insatiable desire to get money at any cost. It appears that the murder of Gus has completely finished his transition to "the dark side". He's now ready to engage in the criminal activities that he has gotten used to, and he doesn't even seem to try to rationalize it anymore.

Yeah, Season 4 was certainly the end of the viewer liking or rooting for Walt.I officially started hating him based on his reaction when Jesse started working as Mike's understudy.

The way he so matter-of-factly assumed this was a ploy on Gus' part. Clearly, Jesse was too big of an idiot for Gus to seriously think he could count on Jesse.

I was ready to choke him myself during that scene outside of the laundromat. Jesse pummeling him was cathartic to me, as a viewer.

But he was right.

I didn't say he was wrong. Being right doesn't preclude someone from being an #######.He wasn't completely right either. I think Gus was trying to mess with Walt, but I also think he did see something in Jesse.

 

[identikit]

Yeah, Season 4 was certainly the end of the viewer liking or rooting for Walt.

I officially started hating him based on his reaction when Jesse started working as Mike's understudy.

The way he so matter-of-factly assumed this was a ploy on Gus' part. Clearly, Jesse was too big of an idiot for Gus to seriously think he could count on Jesse.

I was ready to choke him myself during that scene outside of the laundromat. Jesse pummeling him was cathartic to me, as a viewer.

But he was right.

I didn't say he was wrong. Being right doesn't preclude someone from being an #######.

He wasn't completely right either. I think Gus was trying to mess with Walt, but I also think he did see something in Jesse.

A stopgap to the next chemist he brings in.

 

[corpcow]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

Uhm... ok. That line was in the episode. If you think that's a spoiler, what's the ####### point of even coming to the thread in the first place? Later, #####.

It was actually from the previews for next week.Nothing wrong with posting it, at all.

Hmm... I was pretty sure that happened in the scene while they were sitting around the table, but I guess I was wrong. Sorry - then again I did have a few drinks yesterday. Still, that's hardly a "spoiler".

 

[pollardsvision]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?

We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt).

I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

 

[Abraham]

I'm not using spoiler tags since I'm not spoiling anything.

 

[Brady Marino]

First MOP and now wildbill. I'm a "new" viewer myself, but c'mon.

 

[identikit]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.The times that he's not been pro-Walt, he's had someone else for that. Jane, Mike, Gus, Andrea, Brock. Even the meth heads flopping in his house for weeks.

 

[badmojo1006]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

 

[pollardsvision]

But he was right.

I didn't say he was wrong. Being right doesn't preclude someone from being an #######.

He wasn't completely right either. I think Gus was trying to mess with Walt, but I also think he did see something in Jesse.

A stopgap to the next chemist he brings in.

We'll never know, but I think it was more than that.

I think that, mostly, because it was clear Mike saw something in him. Mike seems to care about Jesse. I think the reason he didn't shoot Walt/Jesse in the desert was about more than the laptop. Mike clearly didn't think there was a reason to keep Walt around to deal with that situation. He wanted to run and didn't want to pursue the magnet thing.

If not for him caring about Jesse, I don't have much doubt he shoots Walt in the dessert.

Gus trusted Mike to vet his people.

 

[Sebowski]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

He doesn't have enough money to never work again. What else is he going to do with his life? He tried going on interviews for real jobs. He only knows meth and he is actually good at it, so it probably gives him some sense of pride.

 

[Sebowski]

Yeah, Season 4 was certainly the end of the viewer liking or rooting for Walt.

I officially started hating him based on his reaction when Jesse started working as Mike's understudy.

The way he so matter-of-factly assumed this was a ploy on Gus' part. Clearly, Jesse was too big of an idiot for Gus to seriously think he could count on Jesse.

I was ready to choke him myself during that scene outside of the laundromat. Jesse pummeling him was cathartic to me, as a viewer.

But he was right.

I didn't say he was wrong. Being right doesn't preclude someone from being an #######.He wasn't completely right either. I think Gus was trying to mess with Walt, but I also think he did see something in Jesse.

It is a classic plot twist ala "Can't Buy Me Love". "Sure, it started as a bet/dare/joke/ruse, but I really fell for you".

 

[pollardsvision]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

Good points, both of you.I'll be shocked and disappointed if that doesn't change over the next 12 episodes though. Whether it's switching that need for approval over to Mike or breaking the shackles of his need for approval altogether.If Mike secures the Methylmine (sp), I don't see any reason Jesse and Mike should have a need for Walt. Jesse's secured all of the other supplies.I think Jesse's supposed to have grown, matured, and become a little wiser over the course of the show. If he has, he'll let Mike kill Walt (or do it himself).

 

[badmojo1006]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

Good points, both of you.I'll be shocked and disappointed if that doesn't change over the next 12 episodes though. Whether it's switching that need for approval over to Mike or breaking the shackles of his need for approval altogether.If Mike secures the Methylmine (sp), I don't see any reason Jesse and Mike should have a need for Walt. Jesse's secured all of the other supplies.I think Jesse's supposed to have grown, matured, and become a little wiser over the course of the show. If he has, he'll let Mike kill Walt (or do it himself).

It is interesting that Mike and Jessee have become the moral compass of the show. I would much rather see Jessee looking up to Mike than Walt (Though we know Mike has done some awful stuff in the past).

 

[Sarnoff]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

"Flynn is Walt's son. Jesse is Heisenberg's."

 

[identikit]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

"Flynn is Walt's son. Jesse is Heisenberg's."

Nice.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

+1 to the egomaniacs that have no class or etiquette - fan sites are run the same way, they explicitly request board members to use spoiler tags. Using content from previews is akin to cheating on a test. You can't figure out what is going to happen based on the information they have given you "in-show" so you seek out ways to cheat. It ruined the Lost thread when people started posting clips from the Canadian previews which were a lot more revealing then what the US networks decided to expose. Congrats on losing a few participants so you can keep your selfishness in check.

 

[Major]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

+1 to the egomaniacs that have no class or etiquette - fan sites are run the same way, they explicitly request board members to use spoiler tags. Using content from previews is akin to cheating on a test. You can't figure out what is going to happen based on the information they have given you "in-show" so you seek out ways to cheat. It ruined the Lost thread when people started posting clips from the Canadian previews which were a lot more revealing then what the US networks decided to expose. Congrats on losing a few participants so you can keep your selfishness in check.

Get the f outta of here with your polar bears and time travel....this ain't LOST, yo!

 

[badmojo1006]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

"Flynn is Walt's son. Jesse is Heisenberg's."

I like that, i am going to use that

 

[Brady Marino]

Also, how realistic do you guys think it is that Jesse is still so loyal to Walt?We know why Walt's ready to go forward. Why Jesse is, is far less clear to me (at least why he'd continue working with Walt). I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Jesse's insecure, and has been dying for approval the entire show.

He is screwed up. His parents rejected him for who he is, Walt accepts he is a sometimes junkie

"Flynn is Walt's son. Jesse is Heisenberg's."

I like that, i am going to use that

"Jesse is the son I should have had."

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Why didn't Mike or one of the 11 guys move their money into another account? Okay, it's the Cayman islands and Gus is a smart/safe guy. But none of them took money out and dumped it into another account? That would make things a lot harder to trace if the feds ever cracked down on Pollos.

 

[Sarnoff]

Why didn't Mike or one of the 11 guys move their money into another account? Okay, it's the Cayman islands and Gus is a smart/safe guy. But none of them took money out and dumped it into another account? That would make things a lot harder to trace if the feds ever cracked down on Pollos.

Gus may have held on to the keys for his own safety. No one would have hit him if they couldn't access the money without his password/account number/whatever. Maybe that's why Walt was the only guy who would attempt a hit on him.

 

[zoonation]

someone explain to me how the cops won't be breaking down Jesse's door as soon as the blue hits the streets again. won't he effectively be their best lead at that point?

 

[Abraham]

Why didn't Mike or one of the 11 guys move their money into another account? Okay, it's the Cayman islands and Gus is a smart/safe guy. But none of them took money out and dumped it into another account? That would make things a lot harder to trace if the feds ever cracked down on Pollos.

I think most of them did, which is how hank described that they were all in trouble. He then mentioned that mike would have been in trouble too had he touched the money. Mike, being smart, didn't ever access his money so they have no way to prove he knew it was even there.

 

[corpcow]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

+1 to the egomaniacs that have no class or etiquette - fan sites are run the same way, they explicitly request board members to use spoiler tags. Using content from previews is akin to cheating on a test. You can't figure out what is going to happen based on the information they have given you "in-show" so you seek out ways to cheat. It ruined the Lost thread when people started posting clips from the Canadian previews which were a lot more revealing then what the US networks decided to expose. Congrats on losing a few participants so you can keep your selfishness in check.

I already apologized because I thought it was in the episode... but seriously, do you really think that's a spoiler? Or that I posted it because I'm an "egomaniac"? And, as I said before, "using context from previews" is a misnomer, because there's no context in previews. Most of the time, previews are intentional misdirections, or at least scenes presented out of context. The quote I said was so inconsequential in terms of its importance, it doesn't "spoil" anything in terms of plot, and it's hardly "cheating" in terms of speculation (especially since I was talking about past events not future events). The only "spoiler" in that quote comes if you happened to not watch S4 - and didn't know that Gus is dead. (Sorry, should I have put that in spoiler tags since some people might be new?). In fact, probably part of the reason I got confused and thought it was in the last episode was precisely because it was so NOT relevant to future events... and reflected what was actually going on in this episode.At the same time, give a ####### rest with the previews. Nothing, as I said, is actually "revealed" in the coming attractions. More about the show was revealed in the opening scene of EP1 than in any preview in any season. That framed certain things that do and don't happen. A quote that could

 

[corpcow]

OH NOES! SPOILER!!!!!!

We asked nicely and some of you guys are intentionally being ##### about it. I'd rather watch each episode without any spoilers of any kind. So adios, #####es.

+1 to the egomaniacs that have no class or etiquette - fan sites are run the same way, they explicitly request board members to use spoiler tags. Using content from previews is akin to cheating on a test. You can't figure out what is going to happen based on the information they have given you "in-show" so you seek out ways to cheat. It ruined the Lost thread when people started posting clips from the Canadian previews which were a lot more revealing then what the US networks decided to expose. Congrats on losing a few participants so you can keep your selfishness in check.

I already apologized because I thought it was in the episode... but seriously, do you really think that's a spoiler? Or that I posted it because I'm an "egomaniac"? And, as I said before, "using context from previews" is a misnomer, because there's no context in previews. Most of the time, previews are intentional misdirections, or at least scenes presented out of context. The quote I said was so inconsequential in terms of its importance, it doesn't "spoil" anything in terms of plot, and it's hardly "cheating" in terms of speculation (especially since I was talking about past events not future events). The only "spoiler" in that quote comes if you happened to not watch S4 - and didn't know that Gus is dead. (Sorry, should I have put that in spoiler tags since some people might be new?). In fact, probably part of the reason I got confused and thought it was in the last episode was precisely because it was so NOT relevant to future events... and reflected what was actually going on in this episode.At the same time, give a ####### rest with the previews. Nothing, as I said, is actually "revealed" in the coming attractions. More about the show was revealed in the opening scene of EP1 than in any preview in any season. That framed certain things that do and don't happen. A quote that could

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Why didn't Mike or one of the 11 guys move their money into another account? Okay, it's the Cayman islands and Gus is a smart/safe guy. But none of them took money out and dumped it into another account? That would make things a lot harder to trace if the feds ever cracked down on Pollos.

I think most of them did, which is how hank described that they were all in trouble. He then mentioned that mike would have been in trouble too had he touched the money. Mike, being smart, didn't ever access his money so they have no way to prove he knew it was even there.

Forgot this point. Good stuff, Abe.

 

[CBusAlex]

I hate to say that's a flaw in the show, but I'm not sure I buy that Jesse would still be so loyal to Walt.

Why wouldn't he be? As far as Jesse knows, Walt has never betrayed him and has probably saved his life on a couple of occasions.

 

[Wingnut]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

 

[identikit]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

 

[Wingnut]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

Seems Mike has had the same cell phone for a while...Walt knows the number by heart (or maybe has it saved in his phone)...burner phones would have a new number for every phone, no?

 

[identikit]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

Seems Mike has had the same cell phone for a while...Walt knows the number by heart (or maybe has it saved in his phone)...burner phones would have a new number for every phone, no?

Yes, I believe so re: the phone #.Just don't think Mike or any of his crew is going to screw up with a traceable phone.Maybe Mike has a box of the same phone.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

Seems Mike has had the same cell phone for a while...Walt knows the number by heart (or maybe has it saved in his phone)...burner phones would have a new number for every phone, no?

Not really. You can have a google voice phone number and have phone calls forwarded to any phone you like - then all you have to do is program the new burner number.

 

[identikit]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

Seems Mike has had the same cell phone for a while...Walt knows the number by heart (or maybe has it saved in his phone)...burner phones would have a new number for every phone, no?

Not really. You can have a google voice phone number and have phone calls forwarded to any phone you like - then all you have to do is program the new burner number.

I didn't know that.Cool.

 

[Wingnut]

With the DEA investigating all 12 guys, I think they'll notice Chows call to Mike pretty quickly.

Was thinking the same thing last night.Guessing burner cellphones.

Seems Mike has had the same cell phone for a while...Walt knows the number by heart (or maybe has it saved in his phone)...burner phones would have a new number for every phone, no?

Not really. You can have a google voice phone number and have phone calls forwarded to any phone you like - then all you have to do is program the new burner number.

Good call. I never thought of that.

 

[Sarnoff]

The scene with Saul saying "you don't try to win the lotto twice" brought up the issues I was feeling earlier, that Walt has an opportunity to walk away clean here and he's not taking it. I'm not sure his excuse of "Well, I owe $40,000" is enough. 40K doesn't seem like that much to have to risk everything he's risking by starting a new enterprise, buying new equipment, chemicals, buying people off (how much is this all going to cost) to take on the cartels and putting his family Back In Danger. At least, $40K doesn't seem that much when the car wash is profitable on its own (per Skyler) and he has years of healthy living ahead of him.. Hank can walk, they're probably at the tail end of those bills. Is Walt really going to go back to war over the cost of the Mustang excursion? (And how has Skyler not yet noticed the refund they were due from the dealership never materialized?)

I feel there must be something else, probably the return of the cancer, that's motivating him here. I don't buy it's just pride in his product and a desire for $40K just yet. If he really has a profitable business and many years ahead of him, I don't buy him jumping back in with both feet.

How can you not understand? He's a criminal now. It's that simple. He doesn't want to own a car wash. He wants to be a criminal. The show is "breaking bad". Previous seasons are about the journey to "bad". This season he is just bad through and through.

I don't want to drag this thread down with my personal opinion. Just quickly, thinking more about it, I think I just really bought Walt was really at a place in his life where he could walk away by taking the drastic step of calling Saul's vacuum-cleaner repair man and paying him all the money he had saved up. If Skyler hadn't given it to Ted, that's what Walt would have done. Only about a week or so has passed on the show since then, sure, there was a lot of stuff happening in that time, but Walt was ready to walk then, and got out in a different way but with the same amount of money--$0 to his name--but at least he has his name, his identity, the house, kids are safe, etc. Plus a working business. Killing Gus was big, but, Walt's killed people before. If he was really willing to call the vacuum repairman, I'm not entirely sold that $40K is big enough to him to risk his kids over. I think I want there to be something more pushing him.

 

[identikit]

The scene with Saul saying "you don't try to win the lotto twice" brought up the issues I was feeling earlier, that Walt has an opportunity to walk away clean here and he's not taking it. I'm not sure his excuse of "Well, I owe $40,000" is enough. 40K doesn't seem like that much to have to risk everything he's risking by starting a new enterprise, buying new equipment, chemicals, buying people off (how much is this all going to cost) to take on the cartels and putting his family Back In Danger. At least, $40K doesn't seem that much when the car wash is profitable on its own (per Skyler) and he has years of healthy living ahead of him.. Hank can walk, they're probably at the tail end of those bills. Is Walt really going to go back to war over the cost of the Mustang excursion? (And how has Skyler not yet noticed the refund they were due from the dealership never materialized?)

I feel there must be something else, probably the return of the cancer, that's motivating him here. I don't buy it's just pride in his product and a desire for $40K just yet. If he really has a profitable business and many years ahead of him, I don't buy him jumping back in with both feet.

How can you not understand? He's a criminal now. It's that simple. He doesn't want to own a car wash. He wants to be a criminal. The show is "breaking bad". Previous seasons are about the journey to "bad". This season he is just bad through and through.

I don't want to drag this thread down with my personal opinion. Just quickly, thinking more about it, I think I just really bought Walt was really at a place in his life where he could walk away by taking the drastic step of calling Saul's vacuum-cleaner repair man and paying him all the money he had saved up. If Skyler hadn't given it to Ted, that's what Walt would have done. Only about a week or so has passed on the show since then, sure, there was a lot of stuff happening in that time, but Walt was ready to walk then, and got out in a different way but with the same amount of money--$0 to his name--but at least he has his name, his identity, the house, kids are safe, etc. Plus a working business. Killing Gus was big, but, Walt's killed people before. If he was really willing to call the vacuum repairman, I'm not entirely sold that $40K is big enough to him to risk his kids over. I think I want there to be something more pushing him.

This might sound crazy, but I'm not sure at all that Walt would let a new identity and a new hometown stop him from cooking.

 

[badmojo1006]

Very good interview with Vince Gilligan. His favorite scene? Where Elliott offered to pay for Walt's care and Walt turned it down. He thinks that is Walt's tipping point