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Breaking Bad on AMC (4 Viewers)

IvanKaramazov said:
coyote5 said:
Walt had just had the phone convo with Jr. he now knows that there is absolutely NO way his family will take his money. Everything he's done has been for nothing. So he calls the popo to turn himself in. Then he sees the Rose interview and realizes he can use them to get the money to his family. That was the catalyst for his return to ABQ, he found a way to give the money to his family.
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That's part of it obviously, and it explains the money laundering scheme in the finale. That's not what Walt's mad about though. He's not watching the interview and having a light bulb go on about some brilliant solution to his problems. He's realizing that he's repeating the same mistake he made before.
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I disagree. But I need to rewatch the bar scene.

 
I think one of the great things about BB is that there were almost always multiple interpretations for how/why things were done the way they were. Absolutely brilliant writing and producing. It was also a much-needed distraction from some real-life BS for me, so it holds a bit of sentimental value as well. I plan on watching the entire series of both The Wire and Sopranos for comparison, but Breaking Bad is definitely tops for me right now.

 
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Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.

 
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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I took it as just dramatic effect. He had no plans to tell her, but as long as he happened to have her on the phone anyway, he figured he might as well rub some salt in the wound. Technically yeah she could send somebody after Skyler but for all we know Walt just killed off all her muscle. Admittedly that last part is unlikely.

 
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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Who is she going to send? Pretty sure all her muscle was dead or dying right at Walt's feet as the spoke.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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I took it as just dramatic effect. He had no plans to tell her, but as long as he happened to have her on the phone anyway, he figured he might as well rub some salt in the wound. Technically yeah she could send somebody after Skyler but for all we know Walt just killed off all her muscle. Admittedly that last part is unlikely.
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Does she then go to the DEA and tell them everything? She is dying anyway, why not blow it up?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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I took it as just dramatic effect. He had no plans to tell her, but as long as he happened to have her on the phone anyway, he figured he might as well rub some salt in the wound. Technically yeah she could send somebody after Skyler but for all we know Walt just killed off all her muscle. Admittedly that last part is unlikely.
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yeah, she likely would be too ill by this point to summon up the muscle, but Walt still should not have said anything. I think it was done for exposition, so all the dumbasses would get it that he poisoned her Stevia.

 
badmojo1006 said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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I took it as just dramatic effect. He had no plans to tell her, but as long as he happened to have her on the phone anyway, he figured he might as well rub some salt in the wound. Technically yeah she could send somebody after Skyler but for all we know Walt just killed off all her muscle. Admittedly that last part is unlikely.
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Does she then go to the DEA and tell them everything? She is dying anyway, why not blow it up?
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She could I guess. On the other hand, Walt could have gone this route too. People in this line of work don't "blow it all up" and settle old scores by going to the feds.

 
badmojo1006 said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Hedgehog said:
Only problem I had is why would he tell Lydia he poisoned her? She now knows Walt in effect killed her and has time to send someone to off his family as payback....didnt make sense except for dramatic effect.
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I took it as just dramatic effect. He had no plans to tell her, but as long as he happened to have her on the phone anyway, he figured he might as well rub some salt in the wound. Technically yeah she could send somebody after Skyler but for all we know Walt just killed off all her muscle. Admittedly that last part is unlikely.
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Does she then go to the DEA and tell them everything? She is dying anyway, why not blow it up?
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just opened up too many possibilities IMO - she has millions and is dying a slow death from Walt...she has millions and a ton of connections with her meth business - you dont think she could find a way to hurt his family in some way? Just didnt make sense to me from a risk standpoint but thats nitpicking - it was cool that he told her which trumps the rest I suppose.

 
Also, Walt's smart enough to know that even if Lydia did send a hitman after Skyler, the hitman would just pocket the money and walk away. Lydia's dead anyway, so there's no reason to carry through with the hit.

 
I read somewhere that jesse had Saul do a will leaving his aunts house to his brother because he liked his brother a bunch.

Irrevocable trust, #####.

 
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Lydia wouldn't know Walt was dead, so if she somehow manages to summon up some muscle and cash to pay for a hit, it would be on Walt.

She's might very well be dead by the time she finds out that Walt is dead

 
fruity pebbles said:
Walt knows what Lydia is capable of. She put a hit out on Mike. He knows that once the Nazis are out of the picture, she will find someone to go after his family given Skyler has seen her and knows who she is.
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Exactly. Lydia didn't have to threaten Skyler directly in order for Walt to think that she could be a threat.

I think that IK's interpretation is certainly equally plausible, though.

 
Walt going over to talk to Lydia and Todd before she put the Stevia in her tea was kind of risky. She could have gotten spooked and bolted without drinking anything.

 
Frostillicus said:
Walt going over to talk to Lydia and Todd before she put the Stevia in her tea was kind of risky. She could have gotten spooked and bolted without drinking anything.
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Yeah, but he had to talk to Todd to get an invite to Nazi-land.

(I know theoretically he could have just shown up at the gate unannounced, but IMO it makes the story better if he reaches out to Todd and Lydia first).

 
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I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.

 
bostonfred said:
I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.
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:goodposting:

Great analysis.

 
bostonfred said:
I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.
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Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.

 
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Slapdash said:
bostonfred said:
I'd like to think that there are two good reasons they showed Lydia dying and Walt telling her about it. One, we got to see a side of Lydia that we hadn't seen before - disheveled, hair down, sickly looking, calling her Nazi sociopath boyfriend because she wasn't feeling well, confused when she didn't recognize the voice - to see how thoroughly he had beaten her.

Walt just dominated everyone in the final episode. He made Gretchen and Elliott uncomfortable in their own home, and extorting their assistance but not their money. He said I didn't do what you wanted, so I didn't get all of your money, but I never needed your money, and I can make you do what I want.

He thought (at the time) that he had ordered Jesse killed, but then he went to Jesse's best friends and made them help him, then when they said, I don't feel too good about what we just did, he gave them an, OK, here's ten grand. Now how do you feel?

And with the Nazis, he didn't hunt them down with a sniper rifle, or hire someone to kill them, or blow them up. He walked right in there and met with them, followed them killed them with him in the room.

Which goes along with my second point - Walt wants to take credit for his work. It's the quite literally fatal flaw in his character, from the time that he couldn't kill the kid in season one without having a beer with him first, to him convincing Hank that Gail wasn't the real Heisenberg and seemed like a copying hack, to him telling Jesse about Jane. He had to talk to her to tell her that she didn't just have the flu, he had killed her and there was nothing she could do about it. Answering the phone when Lydia called closed the loop on both of those, while also giving us a much needed break from the realization that the show was ending, the Nazis had just died, Jesse had just killed Todd, Walt was wounded, and possibly mortally, Jesse had refused to kill Walt, but made him say that that's what he wanted - just so much stuff to deal with, and then here's his chance to deliver one last crushing blow to an enemy. Perfect.
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Which is why it was brilliant that he died laying in the lab responsible for cooking the blue. The police are coming to the compound and they will find Heisenberg in the lab, not Todd ro Jesse. His last action is to ensure he gets credit for his product. His genius.
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Man, this is great too. I hadn't considered that.

 
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