Breaking down the Rookie of the Year (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

Earl Campbell 1450 yards/ 13 TDs

Alfred Morris 1613 yards/ 13 TDs

RGIII benefitted as much from Morris as Morris benefitted from RGIII.

Skins better running game and defense=better offensive efficiency.

Same for Seahawks.

Not the same for the Colts. Luck gets the slight nod IMO.

 

[Hang 10]

I am aware. And I do think Luck played better than his stats indicated, especially given how they had a weak running game and a porous defense; he had to shoulder much more of the load than either RG3 or Wilson did. But RG3 was as prolific as Luck was when it came to touchdowns (thrown or scored by himself) and led his offense to a lot more points than Luck did. The Colts going +9 in the win column this year vs. +5 for the Redskins was all about how awful the Colts were at QB last year (which was obviously cause they didn't know until late that Peyton would miss time, much less the whole season).

I have no problem with any of these QBs winning the Rookie of the Year. An argument can be made for all 3 and I would accept it. It just sucks that only 1 can because in most seasons any of these guys win it 9 times out of 10.

With the 70th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Bryan Anger, Punter - California.....................With the 75th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Russell Wilson, Quarterback - Wisconsin.

 

[SSOG]

That was never the point and I never made any statement as such. The point is that Wash has a better TEAM around RG3. Wilson has a better team in Sea than ether of the other 2.It's a fact that Indy was the worst team in the NFL last year. Its a fact they won 11 games this year, which is more than Wash. It's a fact Luck won more games than RG3 this year despite your displeasure with his stats. It's also a fact that they had 37 new players on their roster. Just because you don't like some of the facts others have brought to the table doesn't make them any less of a fact. It just makes you look again bias with you're dismissle of them. Seems to be a theme here....

Washington has a much better defense, for sure- even without Orakpo. Of course, Wayne/Hilton/Allen/Fleener is a huge sight better than anyone Griffin had to throw to. Of course, that's exactly the kind of combo- awful defense, great receivers- that leads to huge passing totals.I really don't get how people keep bringing up the win totals. How many times do I have to point out how Charmin-soft Indy's schedule was? Easiest schedule in the league. It's a fact that Luck's wins have nothing to do with my displeasure over his stats and everything to do with his Charmin-soft schedule. The fact is, I'm not displeased with his stats. He had phenomenal stats for a rookie. The fact that it's his first season and he's already essentially Matt Stafford is incredibly impressive. It took Matt Stafford years to become Matt Stafford, and Matt Stafford is all he'll ever be. If Luck has Matt Stafford as a starting point, his potential ending points are off the charts- Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Steve Young... these are all in play here. I'm not at all trying to suggest that Luck had anything other than a great rookie year. I'm just suggesting that as great as it was, it was nowhere near as good as Griffin's, which was the best season I have ever seen by any rookie at any position in all my years of watching football. I mean, I never saw Campbell's rookie season, so I'm leaving open the possibility that there's been a better one, I've just never seen it.

How many Colt games have you watched?Also, why exactly can a 23 year old QB, Luck, improve so much more than a 24 year old QB, Stafford?I'd imagine both guys are going to get better and better.

3 or 4, plus lots of pieces of all the rest of them. If there are any in particular you want me to check out before rendering judgment, let me know- I have most of the directtv game rewinds saved. I haven't seen every snap Luck's played, but I've seen a substantial percentage. Luck has more room to grow than Stafford because Stafford's been in the league three years longer, and Stafford is already showing signs of stagnation in his play. Edit: you want to ask the PFF guys how many Indy games they've watched?

Earl Campbell 1450 yards/ 13 TDsAlfred Morris 1613 yards/ 13 TDs RGIII benefitted as much from Morris as Morris benefitted from RGIII.

Nope. RBs average more yards per carry when their QB is a threat to take off. I saw a lot of Washington games, and I lost count of how many carries Morris had where the LBs froze because they were still terrified of Griffin doing something with the ball. Several hundred of Morris's yards came off the option, too, and a successfully executed option is the domain of a QB- he has to read the defenders and make whatever choice they make the wrong choice. Seriously, how many people thing Alf is one of the 10 most talented backs in the league? He's a good, solid back for sure, but he's basically Mike Anderson. How many people still refuse to touch him because they're afraid he'll lose his job?

 

[Todd Andrews]

RGIII and Wilson are the only two who should be seriously considered and RGIII beats Wilson in just about every category except TD passes. Clear cut winner is RGIII.

 

[lbouchard]

Everyone has their guy, and at this point, I doubt anyone is going to change who they support. I personally believe all 3 all deserving, and would not be surprised to see any of them win. How about we just let this play out?

 

[fatness]

So when is thw ROY announced?

Super Bowl week I believe.

 

[delusional]

Morris or Luck

 

[delusional]

RGIII and Wilson are the only two who should be seriously considered and RGIII beats Wilson in just about every category except TD passes. Clear cut winner is RGIII.

Ya who needs TD passes as a QB...overrated stat.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This is easy.

1) RG3: he is the clear cut winner. He needs to continue to evolve his game in the pocket and take less hits. He should not only be ROY of the year, but he is in the top 5 for MVP consideration of the entire NFL.

2) Luck: he is the runner up. His stats are all over the place being elite in some and crappy in others but this guy was relied on like no other rookie before him. I have never seen a rookie relied on as much as Luck was this year.

3) Wilson: He started way too slow. If it was only for the second half he wins it going away. Efficiency is excellent, and the rookie TD record is impressive, but 3118 passing yards has Wilson behind the other 2 guys.

4) Morris: both morris and martin not going to sniff it with the way the 3 qb's played.

5) Martin

 

[Neofight]

One final point, griffin did not beat one playoff team. NOT ONE! Cousins came back against the Ravens and then beat them in Overtime. Luck beat the Texans, Vikings, and the Packers.

Putting things in caps doesn't make them true. You can't count the Vikings as a playoff team for Luck and not for Griffin. And you're ignoring the fact that Griffin had three wins against NYG and Dal to end the season- either of which would have been a playoff team if not for the fact that Griffin put up three wins against them to end the season. I'm not sure you want to get into schedule discussions, here. Indy had far and away the easiest schedule in the league. Indy had a negative scoring differential on the season. Washington's offense was substantially better than Indy's, to boot.

In all honesty, while I agree that Luck did have an easy schedule relative to Wilson, it was more difficult than Griffin III's. At least according to FO's Defensive DVOA, which I think we both agree is the gold standard in football Sabermetrics. Luck's average defensive opponent DVOA came in ranked 17th overall (1 being most difficult), while RGIII's average D opponent DVOA was 26th. You can look at the run D's vs. pass, but it's pretty clear that Washington had a cupcake schedule too, in large part due to playing in the NFC Least (where the best DVOA pass D outside of the 'skins was the NY Football Giants at 16). Think about that for a moment; in his division RGIII got to go up against the 16 ranked pass D (aforementioned Giants, who stunk on pass D), the 25th ranked Cowboys and the the Eagles (dead last, emphasis on dead) twice each. Contrast that with Wilson, whose overall opponent Defensive DVOA average ranked as the 3rd most difficult and whose divisional opponents ranked 2nd (Cards), 6th (49er's) and 8th (Rams) against the pass on the season. That makes no mention of foes like the Bears, Packers and Jets, who were all top 10 against the pass as well. That's over half the schedule against defenses in the top third of the league against the pass. This is not a knock on RGIII at all, merely pointing out that a few of these worthy rookie QB's benefitted from a friendly schedule. In my mind Griffin is more deserving than Luck, but his missed games and restricted ability late in the season was more noteworthy than Wilson's scheme limitations early in the season, especially when you factor in the SOS.ETA: the more I look at the metrics, after having watched each of these guys play, the more I am convinced Wilson had the better season.

 

[Run It Up]

Morris, RG3 isn't far behind, but it is very clearly Morris imo.

 

[pizzatyme]

Morris, RG3 isn't far behind, but it is very clearly Morris imo.

Many minds on here would be blown if a deserving Morris won it.

 

[dennis.moore]

Morris, RG3 isn't far behind, but it is very clearly Morris imo.

Many minds on here would be blown if a deserving Morris won it.

I would rather see Morris win it than Griffin...

 

[dhockster]

I would have a hard time giving Morris ROY based on the offense he is running in. Shanahan/Kubiak's zone blocking offense has produced the following

1,200 yard rushers:

Terrell Davis

Mike Anderson

Clinton Portis

Reuben Droughns

Steve Slaton

Arian Foster

Alfred Morris

Add to that Orlandis Gary who had 1,159 yards in only 12 games. While there are clearly great RB's there (Davis, Portis, Foster), there are also system backs who

had great seasons in this offensive system (Droughns, Slaton, Gary). I don't know where Morris fits in yet.

And I am not trying to diminish the season he had. He had a great year.

 

[dhockster]

Think about this stat line: RGIII 65.6% completion percentage, 20 TD's, 5 interceptions, 7 rushing TD's, 2 fumbles lost

What rookie puts up stats that efficient? No one. Looking up the elite QB's only Brady and Roethslisberger come close:

Brady: 63.9% completion percentage, 18 TD's, 12 interceptions, 0 rushing TD's, 3 fumbles lost

Roethlisberger: 66.4% completion percentage, 17 TD's, 11 interceptions, 1 rushing TD, 2 fumbles lost

And believe me there really is no comparison between the defenses of the 2012 Washington Redskin defense (22nd points allowed/28th yardage allowed) and the 2001 Patriot defense (6th points allowed/24th yards allowed) or the 2004 Pittsburgh defense (1st points allowed/1st yards allowed).

People like to say that RGIII didn't have to do much in this offense. It is only because he was so efficient in what he did that it looked like he didn't have to do much. He still had to overcome a defense that gave up the 22nd most points in the league. Part of the reason Luck had so many passing yards and had to pass so much is because he turned the ball over 23 times. He had to overcome his turnovers. And it is normal for Rookie QB's to turn the ball over. What is not normal is for a rookie QB like RGIII to turn the ball over only 7 TIMES.

If Griffin does not win rookie of the year it will because people have a bias against a running QB. I maintain that only 1 running QB was as efficient as RGIII was this season and that was Steve Young in his prime with the 49ers (not as a rookie with the Bucs).

Therefore, I would give the nod to Griffin (Luck, Wilson, Morris, and Martin all could have been ROY's in other years with less competition. They all had great seasons).

 

[SSOG]

I would have a hard time giving Morris ROY based on the offense he is running in. Shanahan/Kubiak's zone blocking offense has produced the following1,200 yard rushers:Terrell DavisMike AndersonClinton PortisReuben DroughnsSteve SlatonArian FosterAlfred MorrisAdd to that Orlandis Gary who had 1,159 yards in only 12 games. While there are clearly great RB's there (Davis, Portis, Foster), there are also system backs whohad great seasons in this offensive system (Droughns, Slaton, Gary). I don't know where Morris fits in yet.And I am not trying to diminish the season he had. He had a great year.

As someone who has watched a lot of Mike Shanahan's offenses over the years, here's how I'd rank the RBs based on their performance in Denver. This isn't based on their stats, this is based on talent, performance, and how they fit the scheme. Terrell DavisClinton PortisMike AndersonPeyton HillisTatum BellReuben DroughnsOrlandis GaryMike BellSelvin YoungQuentin GriffinGarrison HearstThere's a big drop between Portis and Anderson, and a second big drop between Anderson and Hillis. Tatum was hard to rank because he never really fit the system- he more operated outside it as a change of pace. This is a pretty good approximation, though. In my mind, Morris clearly looks like he belongs in the Mike Anderson tier, which is not an insult- Anderson was wildly underrated (lumped in with Gary, which was ludicrous). Anderson lasted for years in Denver, had multiple great seasons, and was only sent to the bench for Davis and Portis. Even when he was benched, Shanny moved him to FB so he could stay on the field. If Morris turns out as good as Anderson, he'll have a good, long, productive career.

 

[Neofight]

Think about this stat line: RGIII 65.6% completion percentage, 20 TD's, 5 interceptions, 7 rushing TD's, 2 fumbles lostWhat rookie puts up stats that efficient? No one. Looking up the elite QB's only Brady and Roethslisberger come close:Brady: 63.9% completion percentage, 18 TD's, 12 interceptions, 0 rushing TD's, 3 fumbles lostRoethlisberger: 66.4% completion percentage, 17 TD's, 11 interceptions, 1 rushing TD, 2 fumbles lost...

Why go back that far when the best comparison is this year in Russell Wilson?

RK	PLAYER	              TEAM	COMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RATE	YDS/G1	Aaron Rodgers, QB	GB	371	552	67.2	4,295	7.78	73	39	8	51	108.0	2682	Peyton Manning, QB	DEN	400	583	68.6	4,659	7.99	71	37	11	21	105.8	2913	Robert Griffin III, QB	WSH	258	393	65.6	3,200	8.14	88	20	5	30	102.4	2134	Russell Wilson, QB	SEA	252	393	64.1	3,118	7.93	67	26	10	33	100.0	195

It gets even more interesting when you look at the advanced metrics adjusted for defense, where Wilson ranks higher than Griffin both passing and running. The Seahawks schedule was significantly more difficult than the 'skins.

 

[fatness]

Here's your winner.

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III concluded the regular season by setting NFL rookie records for passer rating and for percentage of passes intercepted.

Griffin this season posted a passer rating of 102.4, surpassing Seattle’s Russell Wilson’s 100.0 passer rating this season and Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger’s 98.1 from the 2004 season. Griffin and Wilson, who will face off on Sunday, are the only rookies in league history to post passer ratings of 100 or better.

Griffin threw only five interceptions this season. Only 1.3 percent of his passes were picked off. He broke Charlie Batch’s rookie record of 1.98 percent.

Griffin’s passer rating ranked third in the NFL this season behind Aaron Rodgers (108.0) and Peyton Manning (105.8).

Griffin owned the fourth highest completion percentage (65.6), behind Matt Ryan, Manning and Rodgers.

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[Neofight]

Here's your winner.

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III concluded the regular season by setting NFL rookie records for passer rating and for percentage of passes intercepted.

Griffin this season posted a passer rating of 102.4, surpassing Seattle’s Russell Wilson’s 100.0 passer rating this season and Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger’s 98.1 from the 2004 season. Griffin and Wilson, who will face off on Sunday, are the only rookies in league history to post passer ratings of 100 or better.

Griffin threw only five interceptions this season. Only 1.3 percent of his passes were picked off. He broke Charlie Batch’s rookie record of 1.98 percent.

Griffin’s passer rating ranked third in the NFL this season behind Aaron Rodgers (108.0) and Peyton Manning (105.8).

Griffin owned the fourth highest completion percentage (65.6), behind Matt Ryan, Manning and Rodgers.

link

That's awesome! I love me some RGIII! And some RWI.

 

[fatness]

That's awesome! I love me some RGIII! And some RWI.

It's going to take 5-10 years for us to realize how tremendous this year's group of rookie QB's are. We all know they're good now, but I think over time all 3 of them will get to "extremely good" or "great". There won't be another QB class like this for a long time.

 

[Neofight]

That's awesome! I love me some RGIII! And some RWI.

It's going to take 5-10 years for us to realize how tremendous this year's group of rookie QB's are. We all know they're good now, but I think over time all 3 of them will get to "extremely good" or "great". There won't be another QB class like this for a long time.

Perhaps, for some... My link. I posted that before RGIII really began to settle in, Luck's play leveled off and Wilson completely dominated the second half of the season. But yeah, this class is all sorts of special.

 

[SSOG]

And talk about how great this year's QBs are invariably omits Tannehill, who was miles better than he had any right to be given he only had 1.5 years of QB experience under his belt. He's the Chris Bosh to Griffin/Luck/Wilson's Lebron/Wade/Anthony. And Brandon Weeden is Darko.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

That's awesome! I love me some RGIII! And some RWI.

It's going to take 5-10 years for us to realize how tremendous this year's group of rookie QB's are. We all know they're good now, but I think over time all 3 of them will get to "extremely good" or "great". There won't be another QB class like this for a long time.

I agree, but also don't discount the other rookies who started this year and performed decently. Some of them may grow to be proficient NFL starters and lead their teams for years to come. Tannehill, Weeden, Foles, and maybe even include Cousins, all have this possibility. Most years what we get are a crop of guys at this level, this year is so special because not only do we have that "normal" group, but we also have superstars like Luck, RGIII, and Wilson.

 

[meyerj31]

And talk about how great this year's QBs are invariably omits Tannehill, who was miles better than he had any right to be given he only had 1.5 years of QB experience under his belt. He's the Chris Bosh to Griffin/Luck/Wilson's Lebron/Wade/Anthony. And Brandon Weeden is Darko.

Get your basketball analogies the hell out of the shark pool!!!

 

[dhockster]

Think about this stat line: RGIII 65.6% completion percentage, 20 TD's, 5 interceptions, 7 rushing TD's, 2 fumbles lostWhat rookie puts up stats that efficient? No one. Looking up the elite QB's only Brady and Roethslisberger come close:Brady: 63.9% completion percentage, 18 TD's, 12 interceptions, 0 rushing TD's, 3 fumbles lostRoethlisberger: 66.4% completion percentage, 17 TD's, 11 interceptions, 1 rushing TD, 2 fumbles lost...

Why go back that far when the best comparison is this year in Russell Wilson?

RK	PLAYER	              TEAM	COMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RATE	YDS/G1	Aaron Rodgers, QB	GB	371	552	67.2	4,295	7.78	73	39	8	51	108.0	2682	Peyton Manning, QB	DEN	400	583	68.6	4,659	7.99	71	37	11	21	105.8	2913	Robert Griffin III, QB	WSH	258	393	65.6	3,200	8.14	88	20	5	30	102.4	2134	Russell Wilson, QB	SEA	252	393	64.1	3,118	7.93	67	26	10	33	100.0	195

It gets even more interesting when you look at the advanced metrics adjusted for defense, where Wilson ranks higher than Griffin both passing and running. The Seahawks schedule was significantly more difficult than the 'skins.

Good Point. Wilson came on like gangbusters in the second half of the season. When you factor in fumbles lost, Griffin turned it over 7 times and Wilson turned it over 13 times. Looking at rushing Griffin rushed for 815 and 7 TD's compared to Wilson's 498 and 4 TD's. Wilson was great, but Griffin was just a little better.Wilson also benefitted from one of the worst calls in all of football. If it had been called properly, Wilson's TD's/ints go to 25/11 and Seattles's record goes to 10-6, the same as the Redskins. I'm joking about this last point.If it was a second half of the season award, it would definitely go to Wilson.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Peter King is giving OROY to Russell Wilson and DROY to Bobby Wagner.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/peter-king-mmqb-week-17/

I voted Adrian Peterson for MVP (edging Manning), Peterson and J.J. Watt offensive and defensive player, twin 'Hawks Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner offensive and defensive rookies, a tie between Manning and Peterson for comeback player, and a tie between Chuck Pagano and Bruce Arians as coach of the year.

Offensive rookie: Wilson over Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck. Morphing from a laughed-at 5-foot-11, 75th pick in the draft into a tornado-like force at quarterback by December (three games, 150 points, including 42 against the mighty Niners), and playing like Fran Tarkenton with a better arm, Wilson nipped Griffin in my opinion. But if you want either other man, I have zero problem or argument with you.

Defensive rookie: Bobby Wagner, edging Green Bay cornerback Casey Hayward and Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly. Wagner turned a suspect group of Seattle linebackers, the weak point of the Seahawks defense, into a competitive group by being great against the run (more tackles than Patrick Willis) and good dropping into coverage (three interceptions, excellent instincts).

 

[denveredge]

Blair Walsh

10 for 10 50yds+

 

[Neofight]

Peter King is giving OROY to Russell Wilson and DROY to Bobby Wagner.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/peter-king-mmqb-week-17/

I voted Adrian Peterson for MVP (edging Manning), Peterson and J.J. Watt offensive and defensive player, twin 'Hawks Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner offensive and defensive rookies, a tie between Manning and Peterson for comeback player, and a tie between Chuck Pagano and Bruce Arians as coach of the year.

Offensive rookie: Wilson over Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck. Morphing from a laughed-at 5-foot-11, 75th pick in the draft into a tornado-like force at quarterback by December (three games, 150 points, including 42 against the mighty Niners), and playing like Fran Tarkenton with a better arm, Wilson nipped Griffin in my opinion. But if you want either other man, I have zero problem or argument with you.

Defensive rookie: Bobby Wagner, edging Green Bay cornerback Casey Hayward and Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly. Wagner turned a suspect group of Seattle linebackers, the weak point of the Seahawks defense, into a competitive group by being great against the run (more tackles than Patrick Willis) and good dropping into coverage (three interceptions, excellent instincts).

I'm quite a bit more surprised by Wagner as DROY. I like King's reasoning though, as there was some concern about the position coming into the season. I'd probably go with Kuechly, but haven't seen enough of Hayward play to factor him into the equation.

 

[Neofight]

Blair Walsh

10 for 10 50yds+

+1 Stole all of Legatron's thunder.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Think about this stat line: RGIII 65.6% completion percentage, 20 TD's, 5 interceptions, 7 rushing TD's, 2 fumbles lostWhat rookie puts up stats that efficient? No one. Looking up the elite QB's only Brady and Roethslisberger come close:Brady: 63.9% completion percentage, 18 TD's, 12 interceptions, 0 rushing TD's, 3 fumbles lostRoethlisberger: 66.4% completion percentage, 17 TD's, 11 interceptions, 1 rushing TD, 2 fumbles lost...

Why go back that far when the best comparison is this year in Russell Wilson?

RK	PLAYER	              TEAM	COMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RATE	YDS/G1	Aaron Rodgers, QB	GB	371	552	67.2	4,295	7.78	73	39	8	51	108.0	2682	Peyton Manning, QB	DEN	400	583	68.6	4,659	7.99	71	37	11	21	105.8	2913	Robert Griffin III, QB	WSH	258	393	65.6	3,200	8.14	88	20	5	30	102.4	2134	Russell Wilson, QB	SEA	252	393	64.1	3,118	7.93	67	26	10	33	100.0	195

It gets even more interesting when you look at the advanced metrics adjusted for defense, where Wilson ranks higher than Griffin both passing and running. The Seahawks schedule was significantly more difficult than the 'skins.

 

[mad sweeney]

Peter King is giving OROY to Russell Wilson and DROY to Bobby Wagner.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/peter-king-mmqb-week-17/

I voted Adrian Peterson for MVP (edging Manning), Peterson and J.J. Watt offensive and defensive player, twin 'Hawks Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner offensive and defensive rookies, a tie between Manning and Peterson for comeback player, and a tie between Chuck Pagano and Bruce Arians as coach of the year.

Offensive rookie: Wilson over Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck. Morphing from a laughed-at 5-foot-11, 75th pick in the draft into a tornado-like force at quarterback by December (three games, 150 points, including 42 against the mighty Niners), and playing like Fran Tarkenton with a better arm, Wilson nipped Griffin in my opinion. But if you want either other man, I have zero problem or argument with you.

Defensive rookie: Bobby Wagner, edging Green Bay cornerback Casey Hayward and Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly. Wagner turned a suspect group of Seattle linebackers, the weak point of the Seahawks defense, into a competitive group by being great against the run (more tackles than Patrick Willis) and good dropping into coverage (three interceptions, excellent instincts).

I think they're both going to end up bridesmaids. Of course, I'd be very happy to wrong. Twice!

 

[JetMaxx]

That's awesome! I love me some RGIII! And some RWI.

It's going to take 5-10 years for us to realize how tremendous this year's group of rookie QB's are. We all know they're good now, but I think over time all 3 of them will get to "extremely good" or "great". There won't be another QB class like this for a long time.

I agree, but also don't discount the other rookies who started this year and performed decently. Some of them may grow to be proficient NFL starters and lead their teams for years to come. Tannehill, Weeden, Foles, and maybe even include Cousins, all have this possibility. Most years what we get are a crop of guys at this level, this year is so special because not only do we have that "normal" group, but we also have superstars like Luck, RGIII, and Wilson.

In a league that is desperate for quality QB play, this year's draft will likely carry the NFL for 10 years.

 

[SSOG]

And talk about how great this year's QBs are invariably omits Tannehill, who was miles better than he had any right to be given he only had 1.5 years of QB experience under his belt. He's the Chris Bosh to Griffin/Luck/Wilson's Lebron/Wade/Anthony. And Brandon Weeden is Darko.

Get your basketball analogies the hell out of the shark pool!!!

I will never, ever pass up a chance to compare Brandon Weeden to Darko Milicic.

Blair Walsh

10 for 10 50yds+

STRoY

 

[mr roboto]

And talk about how great this year's QBs are invariably omits Tannehill, who was miles better than he had any right to be given he only had 1.5 years of QB experience under his belt. He's the Chris Bosh to Griffin/Luck/Wilson's Lebron/Wade/Anthony. And Brandon Weeden is Darko.

Get your basketball analogies the hell out of the shark pool!!!

I will never, ever pass up a chance to compare Brandon Weeden to Darko Milicic.

Blair Walsh

10 for 10 50yds+

STRoY

Is this a real thing?

 

[SSOG]

And talk about how great this year's QBs are invariably omits Tannehill, who was miles better than he had any right to be given he only had 1.5 years of QB experience under his belt. He's the Chris Bosh to Griffin/Luck/Wilson's Lebron/Wade/Anthony. And Brandon Weeden is Darko.

Get your basketball analogies the hell out of the shark pool!!!

I will never, ever pass up a chance to compare Brandon Weeden to Darko Milicic.

Blair Walsh

10 for 10 50yds+

STRoY

Is this a real thing?

No.

 

[mr roboto]

Damn.

 

[ratbast]

Very exciting year for rookies. Exceptional rookie Ks too.

 

[EBF]

I don't think Weeden is Darko. There is no Darko in this draft. People forget it now, but at the time of that draft there was some hype that Darko had more upside than LeBron. He went ahead of Anthony, Bosh, and Wade. Epic bust. One of the worst in recent memory considering where he went and who else was available.

And I wouldn't say Tannehill is Bosh just yet. He'd be lucky to reach that level. Bosh is one of the best players at his position in the league. Tannehill wasn't really THAT much better than Weeden this season. Pretty similar YPA, completion percentage, QB rating, and TD:INT ratio. I like him more because he's younger with less experience on an inferior team, but it's not like Weeden was throwing to Harrison and Wayne either.

The real test of this year's second tier rookie QBs will be to see who flatlines (or regresses) after his rookie season and who improves. And that's one of the most difficult things to predict. Trent Edwards as a rookie was not much different from Drew Brees as a rookie. The difference is that one got better and the other didn't. It's easy to see which one is better in hindsight, but if all you have in front of you is their rookie stats, it's hard to tell the two apart. And that's how I feel about Tannehill, Weeden, and Foles. They could end up being anything from worthless Kolb/Edwards/Losman level crap to high quality starters.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle#Seahawks QB Russell Wilson was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/03/2012-pff-rookies-of-the-year/2/

Offensive Rookie of the Year

Russell Wilson, Quarterback, Seattle Seahawks

Back in the offseason I told Neil Hornsby to temper his expectations around Russell Wilson. Sure, he was a preseason star and had quite the buzz about him, but how many times have we read that script only for it to end with a guy looking out of his depth?

Well, I needn’t have said anything because Wilson didn’t just deliver as expected, he surpassed those expectations in a way you didn’t think possible. Surrounded by plenty of talent, Wilson started slowly and just got better and better. Hurting teams all over the field with his arm and his legs, he ended the year with our sixth-highest overall grade of all quarterbacks.

His numbers are excellent, but they really don’t do him justice. This is a guy whose performance should serve to eradicate some outdated scouting philosophies

 

[dgreen]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle#Seahawks QB Russell Wilson was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December.

So the final rookie of the week tally is:1 Griffin2 Richardson3 Luck4 Griffin5 Luck6 Griffin7 Morris8 Luck9 Martin10 Wilson11 Griffin12 Griffin13 Griffin14 Morris15 Cousins16 Griffin17 MorrisAnd the final rookie of the month tally is:September - GriffinOctober - MartinNovember - GriffinDecember - Wilson

 

[fridayfrenzy]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle#Seahawks QB Russell Wilson was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December.

So the final rookie of the week tally is:1 Griffin2 Richardson3 Luck4 Griffin5 Luck6 Griffin7 Morris8 Luck9 Martin10 Wilson11 Griffin12 Griffin13 Griffin14 Morris15 Cousins16 Griffin17 Morris

The rookie of the week awards are popularity contests for the most part, since they are voted on by the public. I would hope the OROY voters are smarter than that. Not surprising to see so many Redskin winners. Week 15 sticks out like a sore thumb. Cousins throws for 330 and 2 TDs...good game. Russell Wilson had 205 yards passing, 1 TD, 90 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs. His jersey is in the hall of fame after that game, but he doesn't even win the "Pepsi Rookie of the Week". Haha.

 

[dgreen]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle#Seahawks QB Russell Wilson was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December.

So the final rookie of the week tally is:1 Griffin2 Richardson3 Luck4 Griffin5 Luck6 Griffin7 Morris8 Luck9 Martin10 Wilson11 Griffin12 Griffin13 Griffin14 Morris15 Cousins16 Griffin17 Morris

The rookie of the week awards are popularity contests for the most part, since they are voted on by the public. I would hope the OROY voters are smarter than that. Not surprising to see so many Redskin winners. Week 15 sticks out like a sore thumb. Cousins throws for 330 and 2 TDs...good game. Russell Wilson had 205 yards passing, 1 TD, 90 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs. His jersey is in the hall of fame after that game, but he doesn't even win the "Pepsi Rookie of the Week". Haha.

How is rookie of the month decided?

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

I did a write up here. I think that Wilson is the guy. When the handcuffs came off, he played the most impressively. His game against the 49er's was the most impressive game that any of the 3 had.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle#Seahawks QB Russell Wilson was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December.

So the final rookie of the week tally is:1 Griffin2 Richardson3 Luck4 Griffin5 Luck6 Griffin7 Morris8 Luck9 Martin10 Wilson11 Griffin12 Griffin13 Griffin14 Morris15 Cousins16 Griffin17 Morris

The rookie of the week awards are popularity contests for the most part, since they are voted on by the public. I would hope the OROY voters are smarter than that. Not surprising to see so many Redskin winners. Week 15 sticks out like a sore thumb. Cousins throws for 330 and 2 TDs...good game. Russell Wilson had 205 yards passing, 1 TD, 90 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs. His jersey is in the hall of fame after that game, but he doesn't even win the "Pepsi Rookie of the Week". Haha.

How is rookie of the month decided?

By the league, not a vote of fans

 

[pizzatyme]

I did a write up here. I think that Wilson is the guy. When the handcuffs came off, he played the most impressively. His game against the 49er's was the most impressive game that any of the 3 had.

I'm sure he had a great game but to say it was better than Luck's game against Green Bay is tough for me to digest. 31/55 362 pa yds 2TD 1 INT

24 ru yds 1 TD

He outscored Aaron Rodgers, who I understand isn't Colin Kapernick, but is still pretty good.

 

[SSOG]

I did a write up here. I think that Wilson is the guy. When the handcuffs came off, he played the most impressively. His game against the 49er's was the most impressive game that any of the 3 had.

I'm sure he had a great game but to say it was better than Luck's game against Green Bay is tough for me to digest. 31/55 362 pa yds 2TD 1 INT

24 ru yds 1 TD

He outscored Aaron Rodgers, who I understand isn't Colin Kapernick, but is still pretty good.

Ummmmm... 14/15 for 200/4/0 with another 12/84/0 rushing. There is no question in my mind who had the most impressive game by a rookie QB this season, and it isn't Luck OR Wilson. Following it up 4 days later with that Cowboys game wasn't half bad, either. A combined 33/42 for 504/8/1 with another 113 on the ground is not a bad 5 day stretch.

 

[pizzatyme]

I did a write up here. I think that Wilson is the guy. When the handcuffs came

off, he played the most impressively. His game against the 49er's was the most impressive game that any of the 3 had.

I'm sure he had a great game but to say it was better than Luck's game against Green Bay is tough for me to digest.

31/55 362 pa yds 2TD 1 INT

24 ru yds 1 TD

He outscored Aaron Rodgers, who I understand isn't Colin Kapernick, but is still pretty good.

Ummmmm... 14/15 for 200/4/0 with another 12/84/0 rushing. There is no question in my mind who had the most impressive game by a rookie QB this season, and it isn't Luck OR Wilson. Following it up 4 days later with that Cowboys game wasn't half bad, either. A combined 33/42 for 504/8/1 with another 113 on the ground is not a bad 5 day stretch.

So he was a part of 27 offensive plays?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Quality over quantity.

All of those yards Luck threw for this year look a little less impressive when you look at his 600+ attempts and his below 7 YPA.

 

[pizzatyme]

Ah yes, the YPA argument again!