Brett Favre is right (1 Viewer)

[Aaronstory]

The more I think about this, the more I think Favre lost a drinking buddy. Maybe K-Rob was his DD.

Favre hasn't had a drink for a long time.

That's what K-Rob was claiming during the summer.

Love all these holier-than-alcohol posts from someone who has a pint in their avatar...

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.See Javon Walker's situation last season.

That's right, stand up for the guy who has let down everyone he has ever played for but throw a guy under the bus for wanting a raise.

That's my point - Favre always speaks his mind, is honest, and is widely respected for it...even if many disagree with what he says. His constant retirement wavering (which drives everyone crazy) is still done as an attempt to honestly answer questions and be upfront during interviews.I'll take a player answering questions like Brett does anyday of the week over both ends of the spectrum: the self-promoting I, I, I types or the clips taken straight from the politically correct athlete quote book.

Damn

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Favre is wrong. Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.It's that simple.

No, it really isn't as simple as that. A support system IS important if the person is committed to quitting an addiction.

 

[BassNBrew]

The more I think about this, the more I think Favre lost a drinking buddy. Maybe K-Rob was his DD.

Favre hasn't had a drink for a long time.

That's what K-Rob was claiming during the summer.

Love all these holier-than-alcohol posts from someone who has a pint in their avatar...

Looks tasty huh!Maybe I should go hammer a dozen right now, take a spin around town, and see if Favre wants me to hang out with him and play catch.

 

[Aaronstory]

The more I think about this, the more I think Favre lost a drinking buddy. Maybe K-Rob was his DD.

Favre hasn't had a drink for a long time.

That's what K-Rob was claiming during the summer.

Love all these holier-than-alcohol posts from someone who has a pint in their avatar...

Looks tasty huh!Maybe I should go hammer a dozen right now, take a spin around town, and see if Favre wants me to hang out with him and play catch.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre is wrong. Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.It's that simple.

No, it really isn't as simple as that. A support system IS important if the person is committed to quitting an addiction.

What a horrible and dare I say 'selfish' thing to say as a Packer fan.A team paying you big money to perform as a professional athlete is no support system\team for a drug addiction. The basic message is, "We will let K-Rob use our organization as a support group as long as he has potential to help us win games. Regardless of how beneficial the Packers organization is to K-Rob's rehab, we still retain the right to cut him in 3 or 4 years if we don't see a return on our investment or should he tarnish the image of the Packers with additional off-the-field antics.A support group should be made up of individuals who have nothing to gain by K-Rob's rehab and will always be there for K-Rob; regardless of his professional football career.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

You guys are cute together.I agree it's stupid to say that K-Rob can't have "contact" with the team, but I also think that it's a little naive to think that this will help him deal with his alcohol problem. Support systems should be based in family and friends - not with a football team that he's been a part of for a few weeks.

I think it's a bit naive to think that family and friends will be the solution. It's a cliched response, IMO. A support system should be built around the interests of the individual that keeps the individual from returning to the vice. Excluding Robinson from anything football related at the professional level is not part of a solution.

You think its NAIVE to say that family might help him more than a bunch of football players? Maybe there's a reason it's a "cliche." And I also think it's naive to think that the NFL lifestyle that these players have isn't one of the things that pulls K-Rob back to his "vice". Maybe THAT'S part of the reason the NFL bands players from NFL players.

Please tell me where I said the family will help more than a bunch of football players. The guy needs help from EVERY corner of his life. This isn't an either/or situation. The point is there was something positive in Robinson's life in the past few months. Perhaps he made some strides against his addiction. Perhaps he benifitted from his relationship with Favre. Maybe he was turning a corner. And sure, maybe he wasn't. But it seemed like it.Your second point is a good one.

 

[Kleck.]

The two things that I've always been told and hear repeated quite often are:

1. There is no help for an alcoholic who is not 100% committed to stopping.

2. It's better to support and help an alcoholic realized the problem before hitting rock bottom. Waiting for an alcoholic to hit rock bottom to realize their problem is always too late. By that time their life could be ended, and worse, other lives could be completely destroyed or ended.

I beleive it is better left in the hands of professionals in special clinics, but at some point KRob will have to return to the world, and he'll need all the continued support he can get. I don't believe it is the team's responsibility to help or support KRob, but if there are any members part of the team that are willing to, they should be allowed to. Not just for KRob's sake, but for the sake of our society. More positive help and support can never hurt.

Only KRob would know if being around certain players, or in team facilities would help him. If it would, I don't think it should be denied.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Favre is wrong. Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.It's that simple.

No, it really isn't as simple as that. A support system IS important if the person is committed to quitting an addiction.

What a horrible and dare I say 'selfish' thing to say as a Packer fan.

WTF are you talking about? What I wrote wasn't in reference specifically to KRob nor was it specifically in reference to the Packers being the support group for KRob. So it's selfish for me to write that someone trying to beat an addiction needs a support system? I don't care where KRob gets his support as long as he has support while he is trying to beat his alcohol problem. We don't have any idea what type of support KRob was getting from the Packers but if he was getting support and it was working it is too bad for KRob that he has been taken away from that for one year. Hopefully, KRob will have support from other sources.Unreal!

 

[Tough As Nails]

I agree that the "no contact with the team" is a bad rule...if he wants to call a buddy from the team, he should be able to (I think he can?)...but I totally and completely support the NFL's stance on making him clean out his locker and not have access to any of the facilities or practices. He messed up not once, not twice, but three times. If you did that at your job and were suspended for a year, would you be allowed to go to the office, use the computers, print out things, etc? Of course not. He knew the rules and he broke them. He's out, he's gone. No more state-of-the-art workout facilities, no more access to high paid trainers and coaches. No way.

 

[LHUCKS]

I agree with Favre...some of these kids don't have support systems outside of the locker room.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre is wrong. Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.It's that simple.

No, it really isn't as simple as that. A support system IS important if the person is committed to quitting an addiction.

What a horrible and dare I say 'selfish' thing to say as a Packer fan.

WTF are you talking about? What I wrote wasn't in reference specifically to KRob nor was it specifically in reference to the Packers being the support group for KRob. So it's selfish for me to write that someone trying to beat an addiction needs a support system? I don't care where KRob gets his support as long as he has support while he is trying to beat his alcohol problem. We don't have any idea what type of support KRob was getting from the Packers but if he was getting support and it was working it is too bad for KRob that he has been taken away from that for one year. Hopefully, KRob will have support from other sources.Unreal!

Your right, a support group is very important.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I agree with Favre...some of these kids don't have support systems outside of the locker room.

I'm sure he has enough to pony up the dough for a 28 day stint at The Betty Ford Clinic where he can get PROFESSIONAL help.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

 

[LHUCKS]

I agree with Favre...some of these kids don't have support systems outside of the locker room.

I'm sure he has enough to pony up the dough for a 28 day stint at The Betty Ford Clinic where he can get PROFESSIONAL help.

I'm not an expert but do you stay in those clinics for four month periods? How long until they are outpatient?

 

[LHUCKS]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

But by not banning him from the locker room aren't you preventing from seeking comradery and regaining his team's trust?Just doesn't make sense to me, unless a non-outpaitent program is the best solution, which I obviously don't know.

 

[Acme CEO]

Favre is wrong. Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.It's that simple.

Whether if KRob is committed to quitting isn't the point of this discussion. Everyone here understands that he needs to be dedicated if he wants to rehab. Repeating this is moot. The question is if the no contact rule is a good rule. If KRob isn't committed, then there's no helping him. If he is, then he'll need all the help he can get. Having been around a ton of abousers, you should comprehend this.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

But by not banning him from the locker room aren't you preventing from seeking comradery and regaining his team's trust?

No. It just means K-Rob cannot seek comradely and regain his team's trust at the team facilities. The NFL and is not telling K-Rob and Brett Favre they cannot hang out or be buddies. It is Brett Favre who is saying, "If I have to go out of my way to offer K-Rob some support, than that is quite an inconvenience for me."I hope Brett Favre can find it in himself to pay K-Rob a visit once in a while outside of team facilities and show his support for his teammate; a teammate who clearly needs it. Based on what Brett Favre said above, I am not going to hold my breath.

 

[Kleck.]

I agree with Favre...some of these kids don't have support systems outside of the locker room.

I'm sure he has enough to pony up the dough for a 28 day stint at The Betty Ford Clinic where he can get PROFESSIONAL help.

I'm not an expert but do you stay in those clinics for four month periods? How long until they are outpatient?

They all vary depending on each individual's case, but most I am familiar with have been a month or so.Quite often after leaving a clinic, individuals will be encouraged, or could be required if the courts get involved, to join a half way house. These stays can last for a couple months, some for years.

 

[LHUCKS]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

But by not banning him from the locker room aren't you preventing from seeking comradery and regaining his team's trust?

No. It just means K-Rob cannot seek comradely and regain his team's trust at the team facilities. The NFL and is not telling K-Rob and Brett Favre they cannot hang out or be buddies. Based on what Brett Favre said above, I am not going to hold my breath.

why not just make it easier for him and the team by letting him go back...does the message really need to be sent, is it a "that'll teach em" type mentality?

 

[cstu]

As soon as I saw the thread I wondered how long it would take to get into a Favre hating thread with the typical cast of characters. Favre is a rare athlete and while I wasn't a big fan early in his career as the years have gone by I've realized how good and refreshing a player he is.

It's funny that I was the opposite - a huge fan until the past few years. He seems to have grown bitter from all the things that have happened to him.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

But by not banning him from the locker room aren't you preventing from seeking comradery and regaining his team's trust?

No. It just means K-Rob cannot seek comradely and regain his team's trust at the team facilities. The NFL and is not telling K-Rob and Brett Favre they cannot hang out or be buddies. Based on what Brett Favre said above, I am not going to hold my breath.

why not just make it easier for him and the team by letting him go back...does the message really need to be sent, is it a "that'll teach em" type mentality?

That is not the message. K-Rob has made decisions in his life that have led him down a destructive path. It is not the responsibility of the NFL to incure risks associated with bad decisions nor is it the responsibility of the NFL to dictate to players how they should conduct themselves.The message being sent is, "We [NFL and K-Rob] cannot maintain any sort of relationship if K-Rob continues to put his own life and the lives of innocent people at risk."What the NFL should do is mandate that Brett Favre spend some time with K-Rob outside of team facilities and offer his support to K-Rob. But again, it is not the NFL's responsibility to dictate to players how they should conduct themselves.

 

[3nOut]

One thing that noone mentions is that this is a YEAR LONG suspension. Where does he live? Wheres his hometown? Even if he is granted permission to be with his team, will he show up? He won't get paid by the team during that time so I would think he'd prefer to be home with his family and friends instead of sitting idly all day each day for an entire year with all his teammates at practice. Maybe he'd prefer to go to Canada for a year like Ricky Williams did.

 

[One]

IMO, You make your bed, you lie in it.

Koren Robinson has been a pathetic citizen and deserves whatever he gets.

 

[craigboy]

Favre is wrong.

Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.

It's that simple.

No, it really isn't as simple as that. A support system IS important if the person is committed to quitting an addiction.

What a horrible and dare I say 'selfish' thing to say as a Packer fan.A team paying you big money to perform as a professional athlete is no support system\team for a drug addiction. The basic message is, "We will let K-Rob use our organization as a support group as long as he has potential to help us win games. Regardless of how beneficial the Packers organization is to K-Rob's rehab, we still retain the right to cut him in 3 or 4 years if we don't see a return on our investment or should he tarnish the image of the Packers with additional off-the-field antics.

A support group should be made up of individuals who have nothing to gain by K-Rob's rehab and will always be there for K-Rob; regardless of his professional football career.

BlueOnion has had some great posts too.

It's not like this policy is new. K Rob knew exactly what would happen if he broke the NFL substance abuse policy again. The Packers also knew when they signed him that he would probably be gone for the year, they were just hoping to get lucky.

 

[Bri]

ya know Krob could use all his money to fly in his family and put em' up in hotels to create his support group.

 

[B-Deep]

ok

the no contacxt thing has caused huge issues

here is what the policy says

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In regard to all suspensions other than a banishment imposed pursuant to Stage

Three of the Intervention Program, the player shall be eligible to participate in all

off-season (not including post-season games) and pre-season club functions,

training programs, practices, pre-season games and meetings, up to and including

the date of the team's last pre-season game in the next NFL season. Additionally,

the player shall be eligible, at the discretion of the club, to participate in all inseason

club functions, training programs and meetings, but not in any in-season

games or practices. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a player may not participate

with his team in joint press conferences with team officials on or off club

premises. A player banished pursuant to Stage Three of the Intervention Program

may not participate with his club in any way except to see his Treating Clinician

for treatment purposes on club property, but he must vacate the premises

immediately following termination of the treatment session with the Treating

Clinician. A free agent will serve his suspension as if he had a contract with a

club. Any suspension period may be extended if medically necessary, and, if

extended, may involve mandatory treatment if required by the Medical Director in

his discretion.

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Clearly this does not say his teammates and friends cannot stay in contact with him and try to help him through this

He just cannot use team facilities and act as a member of the team

and remember, EVERY TIME he goes up a level there is more counseling offered by the NFL to address his issue

I think the NFL is being painted very unfairly by Brett, maybe he just doesn't understand.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

Nobody is telling Favre or Favre's teammates they cannot go visit K-Rob and offer K-Rob their support. The NFL has simply said, K-Rob is not aloud within the team facilities for one year. What exactly does Favre 'get'? It is an inconvenience to stop by the house of a friend in need after practice?

But by not banning him from the locker room aren't you preventing from seeking comradery and regaining his team's trust?

No. It just means K-Rob cannot seek comradely and regain his team's trust at the team facilities. The NFL and is not telling K-Rob and Brett Favre they cannot hang out or be buddies. Based on what Brett Favre said above, I am not going to hold my breath.

why not just make it easier for him and the team by letting him go back...does the message really need to be sent, is it a "that'll teach em" type mentality?

How many times do you let him go back? He's already broken the rule 3 times.

 

[Frank Black]

Brett Favre is wrong.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Brett Favre is wrong.

I wouldn't say he's wrong...I would say he generalized a comment about an entire policy when he should have just singled out certain aspects of it. Take a look at the Rodgers suspension. Is anybody arguing that the NFL is turing their back on him? No. But the same policy is in place for him as it is for Robinson. Different situations are going to give different perspectives on things. But the NFL can't do that...they have to have 1 policy for everybody.

 

[Frank Black]

Brett Favre is wrong.

I wouldn't say he's wrong...I would say he generalized a comment about an entire policy when he should have just singled out certain aspects of it. Take a look at the Rodgers suspension. Is anybody arguing that the NFL is turing their back on him? No. But the same policy is in place for him as it is for Robinson. Different situations are going to give different perspectives on things. But the NFL can't do that...they have to have 1 policy for everybody.

Favre is wrong because his position seems to be premised upon a belief that it should be convenient for Robinson to avail himself of his support system. There is nothing convenient about being a substance abuser, or rehab. Robinson's support system can spend time with him outside of the Packers' facility. If his purported support system does not take the time outside of working hours to support him, perhaps that would indicate that his support system is not as supportive as Favre believes they are. In many other aspects of the working world in this country, an employee would not have access to the office during an employee suspension. There is consistent behavior that should not be unexpected by a professional organization.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Brett Favre is wrong.

I wouldn't say he's wrong...I would say he generalized a comment about an entire policy when he should have just singled out certain aspects of it. Take a look at the Rodgers suspension. Is anybody arguing that the NFL is turing their back on him? No. But the same policy is in place for him as it is for Robinson. Different situations are going to give different perspectives on things. But the NFL can't do that...they have to have 1 policy for everybody.

Favre is wrong because his position seems to be premised upon a belief that it should be convenient for Robinson to avail himself of his support system. There is nothing convenient about being a substance abuser, or rehab. Robinson's support system can spend time with him outside of the Packers' facility. If his purported support system does not take the time outside of working hours to support him, perhaps that would indicate that his support system is not as supportive as Favre believes they are. In many other aspects of the working world in this country, an employee would not have access to the office during an employee suspension. There is consistent behavior that should not be unexpected by a professional organization.

It's just his opinion though. It really can't be right or wrong. I really don't see how anybody can think it's preferrable to let players practice and use the professional staff and facilities while under suspension though. NFL players are under contract 7 days a week...not just on Sunday. If you're suspended, you're suspended all 7 days, not just 3 hours on 1 day.

 

[Big Score]

Favre is wrong.

Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.

It's that simple.

Whether if KRob is committed to quitting isn't the point of this discussion. Everyone here understands that he needs to be dedicated if he wants to rehab. Repeating this is moot. The question is if the no contact rule is a good rule.

If KRob isn't committed, then there's no helping him. If he is, then he'll need all the help he can get. Having been around a ton of abousers, you should comprehend this.

K-Rob's decision within himself to quit, far and away outweighs the effect of any support group, whether it's a professionally trained dedicated support group, or a bunch of NFL players.I have seen both Alcoholics & Drug Abusers quit cold turkey, without the help of any support group. Heck I've even seen one guy who finally had to seperate his wife, because she kept telling him that he'd never be able to do it. But he never went to AA or rehab except when he'd get busted & the Courts would make him go.

Those support groups did nothing for him and he said they were a complete waste of time, money & effort as he had no desire to quit during those times.

The basic first step, is you've got to WANT to quit. The second step is to disassociate yourself from enablers.

For some people a support group may, or may not, be beneficial.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Favre is wrong.

Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.

It's that simple.

Whether if KRob is committed to quitting isn't the point of this discussion. Everyone here understands that he needs to be dedicated if he wants to rehab. Repeating this is moot. The question is if the no contact rule is a good rule.

If KRob isn't committed, then there's no helping him. If he is, then he'll need all the help he can get. Having been around a ton of abousers, you should comprehend this.

K-Rob's decision within himself to quit, far and away outweighs the effect of any support group, whether it's a professionally trained dedicated support group, or a bunch of NFL players.I have seen both Alcoholics & Drug Abusers quit cold turkey, without the help of any support group. Heck I've even seen one guy who finally had to seperate his wife, because she kept telling him that he'd never be able to do it. But he never went to AA or rehab except when he'd get busted & the Courts would make him go.

Those support groups did nothing for him and he said they were a complete waste of time, money & effort as he had no desire to quit during those times.

The basic first step, is you've got to WANT to quit. The second step is to disassociate yourself from enablers.

For some people a support group may, or may not, be beneficial.

The NFL Policy doesn't prevent him from using the players on the Packers as a support group. Just says he can't do it on "company" time.

 

[Serenity Now]

``I'm no expert, but I would think you would want for people to reach out to him and be within an organization that can help him as opposed to saying, 'You're banned from the building. To make matters worse, we don't even want you over here, so go think about it and deal with it on your own,''' Favre said.

This sounds like something an enabler would say. Two NFL affiliates have already made two efforts to help K-Rob (Seattle and Minnesota) and his problem. Still, K-Rob drank to much, led police on a high-speed persuit and dangered the lifes of many innocent lifes.At some point K-Rob is going to have to try and help himself and stop looking for somebody else to extent their hand [cough] [cough] Favre [cough] [cough].

I disagree and I think you're missing the point. Yes, he's been suspended twice already...and each time he was cut off entirely from contact with his team. Now I'm just speculating, but my thought is that what Favre is saying is suspend him from playing, take his pay away, but why not let the guy keep contact with a stable support system (if such a thing exists in the NFL). Let him work out and keep himself up as an athlete. Let him keep something positive going in his life. I think a case could be made for such a thing.

 

[Tough As Nails]

``I'm no expert, but I would think you would want for people to reach out to him and be within an organization that can help him as opposed to saying, 'You're banned from the building. To make matters worse, we don't even want you over here, so go think about it and deal with it on your own,''' Favre said.

This sounds like something an enabler would say. Two NFL affiliates have already made two efforts to help K-Rob (Seattle and Minnesota) and his problem. Still, K-Rob drank to much, led police on a high-speed persuit and dangered the lifes of many innocent lifes.At some point K-Rob is going to have to try and help himself and stop looking for somebody else to extent their hand [cough] [cough] Favre [cough] [cough].

I disagree and I think you're missing the point. Yes, he's been suspended twice already...and each time he was cut off entirely from contact with his team. Now I'm just speculating, but my thought is that what Favre is saying is suspend him from playing, take his pay away, but why not let the guy keep contact with a stable support system (if such a thing exists in the NFL). Let him work out and keep himself up as an athlete. Let him keep something positive going in his life. I think a case could be made for such a thing.

If you let Robinson practice and participate...then everybody else gets to as well. Steroid users, cocaine users, wife beaters, guys who stomp on people's faces during games, etc, etc. Is that a concession you're willing to make?

 

[Borat]

Why don't we flip this around and look at it from another angle -

If you're a Packer, or a Packers fan, or a player or fan of any NFL team, why would you want this loser around your team in the first place?