Brian Griese (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

Didn't he trip over his dog and break some bone?

That was another former Bronco QB....Mr Mountain Man

No, that was Griese. Plummer was the one who broke his foot getting up from the couch.

 

[BoltBacker]

I find it interesting that Lovie picks the Detriot game to make the switch. Obviously the Lions are a cherry match up for any QB so perhaps Lovie choosing this game is an indication that he wants to give Greise every chance to suceed longterm. Afterall, even Grossman could have had a big day against the Lions. Lovie easily could have let Rex start one more and maybe build some confidence. But he instead makes the switch giving Greise the sweet match up for his first game. It sounds like Lovie is done with Rex.

... OR Lovie Smith looked at a matchup against DET and said to himself..... "Well, the only way we can lose this week is if Rex gets a bunch of TO's and hands the game to DET" and got that sinking feeling in the pit of his stomach. CHI doesn't need a QB to win games, they need a QB to manage their offense to a win.Griese's first four seasons in the NFL were in DEN. In his first four seasons in DEN Griese was a better QB than Elway was in his first four seasons in DEN. The difference was Elway didn't get blamed for every shortcoming of the team and coaching staff the way Griese did his first four years.

 

[SSOG]

Griese's first four seasons in the NFL were in DEN. In his first four seasons in DEN Griese was a better QB than Elway was in his first four seasons in DEN. The difference was Elway didn't get blamed for every shortcoming of the team and coaching staff the way Griese did his first four years.

Let me ask you something. If Griese is such a decent QB (you said better than Elway in his first four years, and since Elway is a HoFer, that should AT THE VERY LEAST be a pretty solid career path to be on)... then why did he get run out of three cities? At a time where Jeff Freaking George and Doug Flutie still get long looks, how come teams keep dropping Griese like he's hot? Did Griese get blamed for every shortcoming in Miami because he was no Elway? What about Tampa Bay, where they chose CHRIS SIMMS over Brian Griese?Brian Griese was passable in Denver, posting a +19 TD:INT differential in 4 seasons. That might sound pretty good, but remember that Jake Plummer had a -24 TD:INT differential before he went to Denver, and he managed a +24. Jake Plummer. When you're on the losing end of comparisons to Jake Plummer, then you've got some issues. Griese might have put up some superficially solid statistics, but remember that he was playing on a much better team (essentially just the Superbowl teams, minus Davis) compared to early-career Elway. Also, his team NEVER got behind him in four years. He was soft, he was injury-prone, he was the opposite of clutch, he was reclusive... all of these things far outweighed his superficially acceptable statistics. He was basically the anti Vince Young- a guy whose numbers are horrible but who has those leadership traits, that "it factor".Griese, at this point in his career, is what he's always been and always will be. A reliable backup who you don't mind giving the ball for a couple of games, but who you don't want to have to rely on for any long stretch of time. There's nothing wrong with that- there's quite a market for guys fitting that description, and Griese will be able to make a very comfortable living doing that. That doesn't change the fact that he's essentially just a glorified Gus Frerotte.

 

[DT4157]

Didn't he trip over his dog and break some bone?

That was another former Bronco QB....Mr Mountain Man

No, that was Griese. Plummer was the one who broke his foot getting up from the couch.

Plummer broke his toe putting on a shoe. Griese tripped over a dog and sprained his ankle, but did not break it.As for Griese, I'm a Bronco fan, and Bronco fans used to call him the "dink artist", because he could rack up a nice completion percentage by dumping the ball off, but didn't have long range accuracy because of his weak arm. The Bears made the right move, but I wouldn't expect too much from Griese over the course of the season(His schedule is ok the next four weeks though). That being said, I am starting Griese in one league. Then again, it is a 20 team league.

 

[RTB1]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Griese throws no more than 1 TD against Detroit. I just think he will be fools gold this week for people looking for a waiver wire gem. I think he may have some solid games later this year if he continues to start, but not this weekend. Believe it or not, but Detroit actually plays decent defense at home and Griese is prone to turnovers if you can bring the pressure. Griese is not going to put up McNabb numbers against the Lions. He may not even put up Grossman numbers.

That's better than what I've been getting from Brees.With Chicago's banged-up defense, Detroit has a good chance to hang some points on them, meaning Chicago will HAVE to throw to catch up, or just get blown out.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Let me ask you something. If Griese is such a decent QB (you said better than Elway in his first four years, and since Elway is a HoFer, that should AT THE VERY LEAST be a pretty solid career path to be on)... then why did he get run out of three cities?

Garcia was run out of 3 before the eagles last year and he was great for them In 6 games he had around 18 fantasy points pergame.......good if you ask me.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Is he better than Lienart, Cutler and Garrard from here on out?

no

 

[circelli17]

Didn't he trip over his dog and break some bone?

That was another former Bronco QB....Mr Mountain Man

No, that was Griese. Plummer was the one who broke his foot getting up from the couch.

Griese also played an entire second half with a dislocated shoulder and partial torn rotor cuff on guts and earned a lot of peoples respect from that performance.The reason why he gets run is because he's a mediocre QB who lacks upside. Teams will always be enamored more with guys with better arms (see: Rex Grossman), but Brian has proven that he can put up solid NFL regardless of his deficiencies

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Griese is a hard player to put a finger on to me. He played well at times for us in Tampa, but almost always seemed to make a bone-headed play in the 4th quarter to sway the game. Threw a lot of very big picks...most it seemed returned for TDs.Can't be any worse than Grossman...may even be a nice spark to the Bears O...just wouldn't expect Griese to make a big difference in wins and losses.

I have to address this "spark the Bears' O" concept which I keep seeing.Three years ago the Bear had serious OLine problems. Two years ago when Grossman broke his ankle they added Jones who had huge experience running behind bad lines at Phoenix and Tampa Bay. Last year Grossman went nuts while the weather was warm, Gould piled up lengthy FGs and they added Hestor's touchdowns.What O? They now have no backs, a center with a bunch of other bums, 1 WR and Muhummed perfecting the art of slapping down catchable balls.There's nothing to spark.They will likely look better this weekend due to playing Detroit (and that's not a promise.) But this is a team which will be lucky to go 6-10. Their best chance is to put Grossman back in with the instruction to just go crazy. 'We're going to lose anyway so make your interceptions 40 yards down field rather than in the flat.' See if they can catch last autumn's lightning and switch to Orton when the weather turns.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I'm thinking of playing him over Pennington this week - without Tillman and Vasher, that game screams shootout to me.

 

[kensat30]

Detroit's defense cures all ills. I wouldn't be surprised if Griese went nuts this weekend. Especially with the way Berrian has been getting open.

 

[Nookular Power]

I find it interesting that Lovie picks the Detriot game to make the switch. Obviously the Lions are a cherry match up for any QB so perhaps Lovie choosing this game is an indication that he wants to give Greise every chance to suceed longterm. Afterall, even Grossman could have had a big day against the Lions. Lovie easily could have let Rex start one more and maybe build some confidence. But he instead makes the switch giving Greise the sweet match up for his first game. It sounds like Lovie is done with Rex.

Given how poorly Grossman has been playing, the move was going to be made regardless of the week 4 opponent. No point in doing it sooner, either. No shame in losing to SD in week 1, and the Bears won in week 2. Rex's continued poor play through week 3, on top of poor performances in weeks 1 and 2...that sealed the deal. Not the opponent.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'm thinking of playing him over Pennington this week - without Tillman and Vasher, that game screams shootout to me.

The problem is the Bears don't have the personnel for a shootout, just like the Vikings didn't in Week 2 when they visited the Lions. There's a very strong possibility that the wheels fall off the Bears this week in Detroit. The only way this becomes a shootout is if the Bears defense scores multiple TD's. It will probably be another 20-17 game like the Lions/Vikings in Week 2.

 

[BoltBacker]

Griese's first four seasons in the NFL were in DEN. In his first four seasons in DEN Griese was a better QB than Elway was in his first four seasons in DEN. The difference was Elway didn't get blamed for every shortcoming of the team and coaching staff the way Griese did his first four years.

Let me ask you something. If Griese is such a decent QB (you said better than Elway in his first four years, and since Elway is a HoFer, that should AT THE VERY LEAST be a pretty solid career path to be on)... then why did he get run out of three cities? At a time where Jeff Freaking George and Doug Flutie still get long looks, how come teams keep dropping Griese like he's hot? Did Griese get blamed for every shortcoming in Miami because he was no Elway? What about Tampa Bay, where they chose CHRIS SIMMS over Brian Griese?Brian Griese was passable in Denver, posting a +19 TD:INT differential in 4 seasons. That might sound pretty good, but remember that Jake Plummer had a -24 TD:INT differential before he went to Denver, and he managed a +24. Jake Plummer. When you're on the losing end of comparisons to Jake Plummer, then you've got some issues. Griese might have put up some superficially solid statistics, but remember that he was playing on a much better team (essentially just the Superbowl teams, minus Davis) compared to early-career Elway. Also, his team NEVER got behind him in four years. He was soft, he was injury-prone, he was the opposite of clutch, he was reclusive... all of these things far outweighed his superficially acceptable statistics. He was basically the anti Vince Young- a guy whose numbers are horrible but who has those leadership traits, that "it factor".Griese, at this point in his career, is what he's always been and always will be. A reliable backup who you don't mind giving the ball for a couple of games, but who you don't want to have to rely on for any long stretch of time. There's nothing wrong with that- there's quite a market for guys fitting that description, and Griese will be able to make a very comfortable living doing that. That doesn't change the fact that he's essentially just a glorified Gus Frerotte.

You can talk about being "soft" or "it" factors or make comparisons you can't prove all you like. At the end of the day Griese has a career QB rating of 85 and John Elway wasn't able to attain a rating of 85 or better until 1993.... after he had been in the league for 10 years. In those ten years Elway had ratings of 55, 70, 70, 79, 83, 71, 74, 79, 75 and 65. If any QB would have done that after Elway left they would have been run out of town on a rail. Griese had a rating of 103 in his second season as starter and Elway never even touched that mark even when every defense he faced was geared to stop Terrell Davis during his record breaking year. Greise was blamed for everything wrong in DEN the four years he was there.... and what have they done since he left? You claim that DEN was a superbowl team when Griese was there.... how many playoff games have they won since '02 and they finally got out from under his poor leadership?BTW Frerotte has never broken a QB rating of 80 in any season where he's started at least half a season and is four years older than Griese so I don't understand how there's any comparison to be made with Gus Frerotte at all.

 

[PsychoMan]

I'm thinking of playing him over Pennington this week - without Tillman and Vasher, that game screams shootout to me.

The problem is the Bears don't have the personnel for a shootout, just like the Vikings didn't in Week 2 when they visited the Lions. There's a very strong possibility that the wheels fall off the Bears this week in Detroit. The only way this becomes a shootout is if the Bears defense scores multiple TD's. It will probably be another 20-17 game like the Lions/Vikings in Week 2.

i kind of agree here ... besides the point about the wheels falling off. pretty sure they already fell of when grossman was replaced and the entire 1st string defense got hurt.

 

[spitkickers]

I finally got to see more clips from the Philly/Detroit game, and McNabb had all day back in the pocket and nobody in his face most of the time. No wonder he shredded them even though he has no receivers. I think anybody can produce decent numbers if they can sit back and pick their receiver while reading a newspaper like McNabb had time to do. Will the Chi O line give Griese the same opportunity - and to a lesser extent will Benson, I guess? It's not like you respect Benson like you do Westbrook, but there were a lot of holes created in that Detroit line as well last week.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

If you have Drew Brees, Why not give Griese a start...on the bright side he won't be as bad as Drew Brees

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Is he better than Lienart, Cutler and Garrard from here on out?

Dude lay down the pipe. If Griese was all that he would of been the starter. Griese will fold just like he alway does. Griese is not even the QB that Grossman is. I have seen him ruin the Denver Bronocs he will do the same to the Bears.But on this Board the grass is always greener. Just to bad you will be dissapointed.

He will be better then Lienart. The rest is a toss up. For this week he is a great start.....Im a better QB than Grossman.[/b}

Well if you were I would be seeing you on Sundays and not posting on am football message board. Last I checked Grossman started in the Super Bowl how many other QB's have?

Let's be clear. The Bears got to the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman.The fact that he rode the defenses coatails to the Super Bowl doesn't make him an NFL QB.

I'd take Trent Dilfer right now over Grossman or Griese, and we all know what a fantsy stud he turned out to be.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If you have Drew Brees, Why not give Griese a start...on the bright side he won't be as bad as Drew Brees

 

[pats3in4]

I can't believe there's the icon next to Griese's name in the thread title. It's one thing to talk about the merits of Griese, but a freaking heart? God, times must be tough for Bears fans.

 

[Foosball God]

Detroit's defense cures all ills. I wouldn't be surprised if Griese went nuts this weekend. Especially with the way Berrian has been getting open.

It didn't cure all ills for McCown or Jackson.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

It DID cure McCown's ills for fantasy purposes. 300+ yds with 2 TDs!

After some more thinking, I'm sticking with Griese. Pennington's low yardage numbers scare me, particularly considering they'll be playing a crappy team that they can just run on all day. And my opponent has Kitna, so whether they get into a shooutout or a close game I should be able to offset a lot of his pts. Since his RBs are weak right now (Rudi owner), that's all I want from the QB position.

 

[SSOG]

Let me ask you something. If Griese is such a decent QB (you said better than Elway in his first four years, and since Elway is a HoFer, that should AT THE VERY LEAST be a pretty solid career path to be on)... then why did he get run out of three cities?

Garcia was run out of 3 before the eagles last year and he was great for them In 6 games he had around 18 fantasy points pergame.......good if you ask me.

Garcia didn't perform any better than A.J. Feeley (who blew chunks in Miami) or Koy Detmer have when McNabb's missed time.Garcia as a Philly backup pressed into action:213 yards per game @ 7.0 per attempt, 1.67 TDs per game, .33 INTs per gameA.J. Feeley/Koy Detmer as a Philly backup pressed into action:220 yards per game @ 7.0 per attempt, 1.72 TDs per game, .71 INTs per gameAt some point, you have to question how much is the QBs, and how much is the system.

Griese's first four seasons in the NFL were in DEN. In his first four seasons in DEN Griese was a better QB than Elway was in his first four seasons in DEN. The difference was Elway didn't get blamed for every shortcoming of the team and coaching staff the way Griese did his first four years.

Let me ask you something. If Griese is such a decent QB (you said better than Elway in his first four years, and since Elway is a HoFer, that should AT THE VERY LEAST be a pretty solid career path to be on)... then why did he get run out of three cities? At a time where Jeff Freaking George and Doug Flutie still get long looks, how come teams keep dropping Griese like he's hot? Did Griese get blamed for every shortcoming in Miami because he was no Elway? What about Tampa Bay, where they chose CHRIS SIMMS over Brian Griese?Brian Griese was passable in Denver, posting a +19 TD:INT differential in 4 seasons. That might sound pretty good, but remember that Jake Plummer had a -24 TD:INT differential before he went to Denver, and he managed a +24. Jake Plummer. When you're on the losing end of comparisons to Jake Plummer, then you've got some issues. Griese might have put up some superficially solid statistics, but remember that he was playing on a much better team (essentially just the Superbowl teams, minus Davis) compared to early-career Elway. Also, his team NEVER got behind him in four years. He was soft, he was injury-prone, he was the opposite of clutch, he was reclusive... all of these things far outweighed his superficially acceptable statistics. He was basically the anti Vince Young- a guy whose numbers are horrible but who has those leadership traits, that "it factor".Griese, at this point in his career, is what he's always been and always will be. A reliable backup who you don't mind giving the ball for a couple of games, but who you don't want to have to rely on for any long stretch of time. There's nothing wrong with that- there's quite a market for guys fitting that description, and Griese will be able to make a very comfortable living doing that. That doesn't change the fact that he's essentially just a glorified Gus Frerotte.

You can talk about being "soft" or "it" factors or make comparisons you can't prove all you like. At the end of the day Griese has a career QB rating of 85 and John Elway wasn't able to attain a rating of 85 or better until 1993.... after he had been in the league for 10 years. In those ten years Elway had ratings of 55, 70, 70, 79, 83, 71, 74, 79, 75 and 65. If any QB would have done that after Elway left they would have been run out of town on a rail. Griese had a rating of 103 in his second season as starter and Elway never even touched that mark even when every defense he faced was geared to stop Terrell Davis during his record breaking year. Greise was blamed for everything wrong in DEN the four years he was there.... and what have they done since he left? You claim that DEN was a superbowl team when Griese was there.... how many playoff games have they won since '02 and they finally got out from under his poor leadership?BTW Frerotte has never broken a QB rating of 80 in any season where he's started at least half a season and is four years older than Griese so I don't understand how there's any comparison to be made with Gus Frerotte at all.

QB rating is such a flawed statistic that it barely bears mentioning. I mean, among the top 20 rated passers of all time, you've got Marc Bulger (#5), Chad Pennington (#7), Jeff Garcia (#11), Brian Griese (#17), Mark Brunell (#19), and Jake Delhomme (#20). That list includes a guy who is with his FIFTH DIFFERENT TEAM IN FIVE YEARS, a guy who is with his 4th team in 5 years, and a guy who is currently considered one of the worse starters in the league... and ranks Dan Marino, considered the best pure passer in the history of the game, as 12th. Either NFL coaches are absolute MORONS, or QB rating is such a BS statistic that's almost entirely dependent on scheme.Case in point, compare Elway's QB rating in Reeves' offense to his QB rating in Shanahan's offense. Then compare Elway's rating in Shanahan's offense to Griese's rating in Shanahan's offense. QB rating is almost entirely a function of scheme, and the fact that it double-weights completion percentage (counting it once as its own category and once again in yards per attempt) means that it'll always favor dink-and-dunk guys over difference makers.As for what Denver did since he left... Denver had a 27-24 record with Griese at the helm (52.9%). They made the playoffs once in four years... in a season where Griese went 6-4, then got hurt and watched Denver go 5-1 down the stretch without him. Since he left, Denver has a 44-23 record (65.7%), mostly with Jake "The Mistake" Plummer at the helm. They made the playoffs 3 times in 4 years, and even went 13-3 and hosted the AFCCG in one of them. That's a ridiculous question- Denver has been NIGHT AND DAY better since Griese left. When Jake Plummer is night and day better than you are, then you really aren't a starting-caliber QB.Edit: More fun stats!Brian Griese's TD/INT differential in 4 years with the Broncos: +19Jake Plummer's TD/INT differential in 4 years with the Broncos: +26Weeeeee!

 

[TinHat]

Griese is awseome

only 3 picks against the vaunted Linons pass D

 

[greenroom]

Griese is awseomeonly 3 picks against the vaunted Linons pass D

And the 3 picks two of them were on the goal line and one was returned to the big house.Guess that Griese is not better than Grossman after all.. In Fact you have lost the ability to throw the ball deep with Griese and more of a dink and dunk passing game.

 

[TinHat]

Griese is awseome

only 3 picks against the vaunted Linons pass D

And the 3 picks two of them were on the goal line and one was returned to the big house.Guess that Griese is not better than Grossman after all. In Fact you have lost the ability to throw the ball deep with Griese and more of a dink and dunk passing game.

Crow is a dish best surved burned.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Seriously, TERRIBLE game for Griese. I'm a Bears fan and watched. He's not really an upgrade over Grossman.

The Bears better make a f'in run at McNabb this offseason...