Bridgewater suffers potentially serious knee injury (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ok so why is a qb doing a drill? Seems silly

 

[snogger]

As I mentioned a page back... when they said players were distraught I was concerned of a knee dislocation. I saw it once playing soccer and yea :X

Sounds like recovery will be long... but here is to a fast a healthy recovery Teddy!

 

[mr roboto]

Ok so why is a qb doing a drill? Seems silly

What drill. Where did u read this?

 

[Rogi]

I can't see Zimmer agreeing to bringing in Kaepernick.  His act may work in SF but Minnesota won't tolerate his b.s.

 

[az_prof]

As a Vikings fan this feels like normal. Just when I start to have some hope, and after his last game I was feeling a bit optimistic that he could at least be Alex Smith capable, and now this.  We Vikings fans truly are cursed. Not like some teams that always have crappy teams--our curse is that we are often good, even very good, but we always do something to screw the pooch or something happens to us. 

FYI, I just dropped him in my dynasty league (no IR and only 22 roster spots).

 

[az_prof]

Terrible break for Bridgewater.

At this point, I'd look for them to get someone with some recent experience with Norv. Perhaps someone like Brandon Weeden and is likely available (appears to be #3 QB in Houston). I don't think the likes of Sanchez/Kaepernick will provide more with little time in offense. I wouldn't touch Kaepernick period and think he's taken his final NFL regular season snap.

I would go for Kaepernick. I think given his political expression you could get him cheaply. And he has played in a West Coast offense and is a similar player to Teddy.  

 

[ffldrew]

McCarron from Cincinnati would be a nice pick up.  

They can't let him go - he's fully invested in the Bengal offense and after the injury to Dalton last year he knows what to do if he's called upon. You can't let that go cheaply if you are the Bengals.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I was also looking forward to Teddy doing well (as a Packers fan) as he had a similar "passed over on draft day" story to Rodgers and found the team who wanted to make him their franchise QB, and it seemed to be working out.

I don't think you can go away from Shaun Hill so close to the start of the season but they will bring someone in to learn the system quickly and take over.

 

[jabarony]

Hill was very good the last time he got significant PT for Detroit.  However, that was, maybe, 3 years ago.  Bridgewater wasn't exactly lighting it up, anyways, so maybe Hill/other will give the offense a shot in the arm.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

 Bridgewater wasn't exactly lighting it up, anyways, so maybe Hill/other will give the offense a shot in the arm.

I'm coming around to this too.

3rd from last in ypa and 14 td passes shouldn't be that hard to replace..should it?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I would go for Kaepernick. I think given his political expression you could get him cheaply. And he has played in a West Coast offense and is a similar player to Teddy.  

The problems there are, a) Kaepernick is awful now, and b) Kaepernick isn't the physical threat he used to be (look at the weight he has lost and where he lost it). 

 

[massraider]

They are re-signing Sorenson, who they just waived.

Not the kind of move I was hoping for, but I think this is to have a body that knows the system.

As a multiple Diggs owner, I am hoping for McCown or Geno Smith.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'm coming around to this too.

3rd from last in ypa and 14 td passes shouldn't be that hard to replace..should it?

I guess some people really under-estimate having poise in the pocket.  Bridgewater showed a tonne of it behind a bad Oline.   It not about fantasy numbers.  It is about winning ball games. 

 

[massraider]

Bummer Vikes fans. Sucks.

 

[Rogi]

I'm coming around to this too.

3rd from last in ypa and 14 td passes shouldn't be that hard to replace..should it?

65℅ comp and low ints.  The Vikings D has high expectations and they just need an efficient QB not prone to turnovers.  I don't think Bridgewater is the next Brady but he's the best hope at QB in Minn since Favre.  Teddy's low release can be frustrating though.

 

[Slapdash]

I guess some people really under-estimate having poise in the pocket.  Bridgewater showed a tonne of it behind a bad Oline.   It not about fantasy numbers.  It is about winning ball games. 

 

[jabarony]

I guess some people really under-estimate having poise in the pocket.  Bridgewater showed a tonne of it behind a bad Oline.   It not about fantasy numbers.  It is about winning ball games. 

Admittedly, I only watched him a couple times, last year, and he looked Joey Harrington-like in terms of panicky feet and throwing as quickly as possible to not get hit.  Thus the low YPA.

And this isn't a Vikings message board, it's a fantasy message board.  So I believe I also differ in opinion on your second point.

 

[Slapdash]

Matt Moore could be a good caretaker

 

[Rogi]

Cris Carter lobbying for Vick on Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/criscarter80/status/770711835981078529

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bridgewater was the most pressured QB in football last year. Of course that's a bit deceptive given his weaknesses are a slow release and his propensity to take a sack over trying to make a play. He's the anti-gunslinger, very conservative.

What's the history on losing your QB at the end of PS? Can someone point to examples of QBs filling in at the last minute and doing well?

They still have a great defense and an excellent rushing attack. It's a devastating blow to be sure, but they can regroup and have confidence nothing has changed about what they do best.

 

[tone1oc]

Bridgewater was the most pressured QB in football last year. Of course that's a bit deceptive given his weaknesses are a slow release and his propensity to take a sack over trying to make a play. He's the anti-gunslinger, very conservative.

What's the history on losing your QB at the end of PS? Can someone point to examples of QBs filling in at the last minute and doing well?

They still have a great defense and an excellent rushing attack. It's a devastating blow to be sure, but they can regroup and have confidence nothing has changed about what they do best.

Kurt Warner comes to mind.   Not in Preseason, but Week 1 2008(?) Brady went down and Cassell did pretty well.   Ryan Fitzpatrick last season when Geno Smith got his jaw jacked.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Cris Carter lobbying for Vick on Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/criscarter80/status/770711835981078529




 




 

So Vikes fans can watch Vick bounce every short pass at the intended receiver's feet?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Kurt Warner comes to mind.   Not in Preseason, but Week 1 2008(?) Brady went down and Cassell did pretty well.   Ryan Fitzpatrick last season when Geno Smith got his jaw jacked.

Warner was in competition though. It was a VERY late decision, after the 4th game, but didn't involve losing a promising young QB to injury. That was maybe my best FA pickup ever, getting Warner for free after our draft.

Good call on Fitz though the runup was longer.

Earl Morrall won the MVP filling in for an injured Johnny Unitas in 1968. But he had a decent resume going in: that was his 13th year, he had been a top ten QB 4-5 times (given the size of the league back then, just means he was mediocre.)

Jim Plunkett was another journeyman who had a Super Bowl season after the starter (Dan Pastorini) went down in the fifth game.

Any others?

 

[tone1oc]

Warner was in competition though. It was a VERY late decision, after the 4th game, but didn't involve losing a promising young QB to injury. That was maybe my best FA pickup ever, getting Warner for free after our draft.

Good call on Fitz though the runup was longer.

Earl Morrall won the MVP filling in for an injured Johnny Unitas in 1968. But he had a decent resume going in: that was his 13th year, he had been a top ten QB 4-5 times (given the size of the league back then, just means he was mediocre.)

Jim Plunkett was another journeyman who had a Super Bowl season after the starter (Dan Pastorini) went down in the fifth game.

Any others?

IIRC Trent Green was definitely the #1 QB for the Rams, and they were pretty shook up when he was hurt because they thought they had a good team (they did!)

I also think Fitz would of probably taken the job sooner or later from Geno, Ik just helped expedite that decision and make it easier.  

 

[tone1oc]

It will be interesting to see where the Vegas lines move.. Currently they are at 8 wins according to this http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_season_win_total_futures_lines.shtml

 

[Short Corner]

IIRC Trent Green was definitely the #1 QB for the Rams, and they were pretty shook up when he was hurt because they thought they had a good team (they did!)

I also think Fitz would of probably taken the job sooner or later from Geno, Ik just helped expedite that decision and make it easier.  

Green as the starter was never in question.  

 

[squistion]

IIRC Trent Green was definitely the #1 QB for the Rams, and they were pretty shook up when he was hurt because they thought they had a good team (they did!)

I also think Fitz would of probably taken the job sooner or later from Geno, Ik just helped expedite that decision and make it easier.  

The story at the time was that the entire team was devastated and demoralized by the news of Trent Green's injury, except for one player and that was Kurt Warner, who was completely unfazed and was ready to step in as starting QB. The rest, as they say, is history.

 

[Otis]

Peyton?

"Let me know if someone calls.

hm hm hm hm hmm hm hmmmm"

 

[tone1oc]

The story at the time was that the entire team was devastated and demoralized by the news of Trent Green's injury, except for one player and that was Kurt Warner, who was completely unfazed and was ready to step in as starting QB. The rest, as they say, is history.

It really does write itself..

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Check in to see Bridgewater update - instead it's the Green to Warner transition - lol

jist saw on RotoWire out for the season. Ouch. I was already sketched about taking AP another year - now he might fall to the 2nd where I'd really have a hard rte passing him up. 

I kinda hope someone takes him in front of me so I don't have the choice.!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It will be interesting to see where the Vegas lines move.. Currently they are at 8 wins according to this http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_season_win_total_futures_lines.shtml

im in Reno as I type this - BBQ festival this week. 

I was going to make a few modest O/U futures bets today - was gonna take Vikes for 9 wins. It is indeed at 8 or fewer for the U.

ran late setting up, tequila at dinner - no bets were made.

whew. 

 

[Fariq]

Warner was in competition though. It was a VERY late decision, after the 4th game, but didn't involve losing a promising young QB to injury. That was maybe my best FA pickup ever, getting Warner for free after our draft.

Good call on Fitz though the runup was longer.

Earl Morrall won the MVP filling in for an injured Johnny Unitas in 1968. But he had a decent resume going in: that was his 13th year, he had been a top ten QB 4-5 times (given the size of the league back then, just means he was mediocre.)

Jim Plunkett was another journeyman who had a Super Bowl season after the starter (Dan Pastorini) went down in the fifth game.

Any others?

In 1999, the Jets were coming off a 12-4 season and were predicted by many to compete for the league title. The coaching staff featured Parcells and Belichick (along with several other former or future NFL head coaches). Testaverde, who was coming off a spectacular season, blew out his Achilles during the Week 1 game. The Jets struggled with Rick Mirer. Parcells eventually switched to Ray Lucas. That season Lucas was competent. Alas, Parcells had stuck with Mirer way too long and the Jets were only able to go 8-8. 

 

[TripItUp]

How do you have a complete tear of your ACL and dislocate the knee in non-contact...that seems bizarre to me.

I walk down the stairs every day...never had a torn ACL.  Hell, I play basketball a couple times a week and I'm old.

 

[Dismattle]

How do you have a complete tear of your ACL and dislocate the knee in non-contact...that seems bizarre to me.

I walk down the stairs every day...never had a torn ACL.  Hell, I play basketball a couple times a week and I'm old.

When you feel pain, and the better half tells ya to "walk it off"..  Make sure to come back and edit the post if ya have a better understanding of "fluke injurys"

Translation: I believe the player (Coachs/Trainers?) were aware of pain/discomfort or strain/tear, and it was determined acceptable to play through the pain..

My guess is that were looking at a stress injury without sufficient healing time..  MRI's cant always show everything. 

The most recent twitter post calls out "other structural damage".. 

Do ya jog them stairs turning your body sideways back and forth   Do you dead lift three times a week  Everybodys body and pain threshold is different

This is just my guess   heck  Bridgewater may have taken an earlier hit in the day, and fell awkwardly..  Adrenaline allowing him to continue play, until a sudden movement caused complete failure

 

[Tango]

Let's say it is a serious injury. I mean what choice do they have other than feed AP? Obviously mix in McKinnon a bit, but I think this probably leads to more carries at least. Maybe I'm off on this, just my initial thoughts. 

As others have said, AP was already going to get the biggest slice of the pie possible, but now the pie likely gets smaller.

...the loss of Bridgewater likely drives important macro assumptions down for the Vikes:

Lower completion percentage

higher interception percentage

a lower team 3rd down conversion percentage

lower time of possession 

fewer red zone opportunities, thus:

fewer TDs.

 

[flysack]

Throw Chip a 4th or even 3rd rounder and get Kap. He'd be just as good as Bridgewater was last year.

 

[snogger]

Throw Chip a 4th or even 3rd rounder and get Kap. He'd be just as good as Bridgewater was last year.

Did you watch Kap last year or this preseason?? Basically take Peyton Manning's "Noodle Arm" at the end of last season and multiple it by 5..

 

[DocHolliday]

Did you watch Kap last year or this preseason?? Basically take Peyton Manning's "Noodle Arm" at the end of last season and multiple it by 5..

I just don't get the Bridgwater and Kap comparisons. Bridgwater showed promise last season and won games.  Kap has been moving in the opposite direction. It would be a big mistake for the Vikes to bring in Kap. 

 

[pantherclub]

How do you have a complete tear of your ACL and dislocate the knee in non-contact...that seems bizarre to me.

I walk down the stairs every day...never had a torn ACL.  Hell, I play basketball a couple times a week and I'm old.

If you are over 35 and you are still playing bball you have some sort of death wish on your body.  Nothing good ever comes from playing that game.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I guess some people really under-estimate having poise in the pocket.  Bridgewater showed a tonne of it behind a bad Oline.   It not about fantasy numbers.  It is about winning ball games. 

I wasnt talking about fantasy numbers. Hills been in the league a long time. The point was..don't turn the ball over, short completions, run the ball, play defense. The Vikings should be ok. They're don't need him to be T Brady the way they play the game

 

[LittlePhatty]

How do you have a complete tear of your ACL and dislocate the knee in non-contact...that seems bizarre to me.

I watched it happen to a player in high school. We weren't even on the field, it was in a classroom. Some joker pulled his chair out from under him as he was sitting. He reacted by sticking his leg out at an awkward angle. He later told me he felt his kneecap slide over to the side, being dislocated. 

Just a mis-step or an awkward fall, putting pressure at precisely the wrong angle - most likely the kneecap went first, then just the weight of his body did the rest of the damage.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would go for Kaepernick...and is a similar player to Teddy.  

No, he isn't. Bridgewater has a weak arm but is smart and accurate, and has decent mobility. Kaep is strong armed but has no touch and can't read a defense but is one of the better runners in the league at the position. Other than both being mobile (and Bridgewater is only average there) they have almost complete opposite skill sets.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Warner was in competition though. It was a VERY late decision, after the 4th game, but didn't involve losing a promising young QB to injury. That was maybe my best FA pickup ever, getting Warner for free after our draft.

Trent Green was the unquestioned starter until he blew his knee out.

 

[mr roboto]

I watched it happen to a player in high school. We weren't even on the field, it was in a classroom. Some joker pulled his chair out from under him as he was sitting. He reacted by sticking his leg out at an awkward angle. He later told me he felt his kneecap slide over to the side, being dislocated. 

Just a mis-step or an awkward fall, putting pressure at precisely the wrong angle - most likely the kneecap went first, then just the weight of his body did the rest of the damage.

Yeah. It's rare but happens. 

Guys have torn their legs to #### just trying to stretch to beat a tag at first. Step weird, snap. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Trent Green was the unquestioned starter until he blew his knee out.

I was referencing 2008. Leinart was named the starter in the offseason but Wisenhunt named Warner the starter on August 30. They were in competition all summer.

My bad, clearly everyone else was thinking of 1999, when Green parlayed a breakout season with the Redskins into a deal with the Rams. Warner was a complete unknown and never took reps with the 1s before the injury. Still one of the greatest storybook seasons ever.

 

[mr roboto]

Ok, I'm not an elite football mind (#PAandthelovecovenant) but, a few things to clear up for all you rubes...

1. TB is an above average QB. Not for fantasy, but for like real life and stuff

2. Shaun Hill is a below average QB. For both fantasy and real life. 

3. Teddy and Kaep are about as similar as Jerome Bettis and Tavon Austin. 

4. Vegas dropped the Vikes 1.5 wins. So no, not any game manager/street FA/geriatric HOF QB can just step in and do what TB was going to do. 

5. Of ANY team in the league, this one has the culture, coach, staff, and attitude to get past this #### and make the playoffs. In Zimm we trust.

6. RUN to the WW/trade for McKinnon and Rudolph. Especially with noodle-armed yet competent Hill. Fade Diggs and Johnson. Surprisingly, Treadwell might have more opportunity now (big possession receiver). 

 

[Warhogs]

For those calling to bring in a QB, can you think of any instance where a team brought in a QB from another team this close to or during the season and had great success?  I can't really think of any.  It seems most teams that have overcome a situation like this have done it with the #2 QB on their roster coming in and getting the job done.  I think their best chance seems to be Sean Hill playing decent enough for the team to win.  I'm not saying you don't bring in another body, just that I don't see signing or acquiring someone that hasn't been in camp and hoping for any level of success with that acquisition.

 

[DocHolliday]

For those calling to bring in a QB, can you think of any instance where a team brought in a QB from another team this close to or during the season and had great success?  I can't really think of any.  It seems most teams that have overcome a situation like this have done it with the #2 QB on their roster coming in and getting the job done.  I think their best chance seems to be Sean Hill playing decent enough for the team to win.  I'm not saying you don't bring in another body, just that I don't see signing or acquiring someone that hasn't been in camp and hoping for any level of success with that acquisition.

The Vikes are talented enough on both sides of the ball to be in the playoffs.  You have to bring another QB to replace Hill in case he really struggles.  That new QB would not be ready right away anyway but could be ready by week 5. 

 

[mr roboto]

The Vikes are talented enough on both sides of the ball to be in the playoffs.  You have to bring another QB to replace Hill in case he really struggles.  That new QB would not be ready right away anyway but could be ready by week 5. 

This. Taylor Heinecke was getting some buzz last year then he went and got himself hurt. Not sure when he's back. 

ETA: Heinecke could be back practicing in 3 weeks. Maybe he's back by week 6 bye... http://www.todayspigskin.com/pigskin-news/vikings-qb-taylor-heinicke-return-3-weeks/

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ok, I'm not an elite football mind (#PAandthelovecovenant) but, a few things to clear up for all you rubes...

1. TB is an above average QB. Not for fantasy, but for like real life and stuff

2. Shaun Hill is a below average QB. For both fantasy and real life. 

3. Teddy and Kaep are about as similar as Jerome Bettis and Tavon Austin. 

4. Vegas dropped the Vikes 1.5 wins. So no, not any game manager/street FA/geriatric HOF QB can just step in and do what TB was going to do. 

5. Of ANY team in the league, this one has the culture, coach, staff, and attitude to get past this #### and make the playoffs. In Zimm we trust.

6. RUN to the WW/trade for McKinnon and Rudolph. Especially with noodle-armed yet competent Hill. Fade Diggs and Johnson. Surprisingly, Treadwell might have more opportunity now (big possession receiver). 

Im in at 1.5 wins.

AP & Hill can win 2 games with that defense and OL. 

I mean, can't they?