Bridgewater suffers potentially serious knee injury (1 Viewer)

[mr roboto]

Im in at 1.5 wins.

AP & Hill can win 2 games with that defense and OL. 

I mean, can't they? 

Lol. Maybe I phrased it wrong - they were dropped by 1.5 wins (9.5-8) which is actually a big move in Vegas. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lol. Maybe I phrased it wrong - they were dropped by 1.5 wins (9.5-8) which is actually a big move in Vegas. 

lol - oh, yeah, thought that sounded too good to be true.

so 6 or fewer is the under & 7 wins  is the over now? 

Hmmm....that's a tough call. 

 

[mr roboto]

 it's 8 now. 9 over 7 under. 

 

[FF Ninja]

For those calling to bring in a QB, can you think of any instance where a team brought in a QB from another team this close to or during the season and had great success?  I can't really think of any.  It seems most teams that have overcome a situation like this have done it with the #2 QB on their roster coming in and getting the job done.  I think their best chance seems to be Sean Hill playing decent enough for the team to win.  I'm not saying you don't bring in another body, just that I don't see signing or acquiring someone that hasn't been in camp and hoping for any level of success with that acquisition.

Palmer went to Oakland mid-season and had a pretty damn good statistical season after the bye. The team was a dumpster fire, though, so he could've save them. Michael Bush, DHB, and Kevin Boss were the top names at each skill position.

So it's possible for a QB to switch teams and be productive, but they need to be a very good QB. Although, most people had written Palmer off at the time.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

 it's 8 now. 9 over 7 under. 

Yuck - Imma bet the under. Nothing heavy - $20-ish

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Vikes really should have signed a QB from the Iowa Barnstormers just in case something like this happened.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I know I'm super late to this thread--but I worked super late last night and didn't get a chance to digest the ramifications of Teddy's injury until the last few hours. 

First of all--I'm not a Vikes fan--but I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't excited to see how they looked and played this season.   What an absolute bummer for Teddy, the Vikes and all of their fans.  I truly hope that he fully recovers from this. 

In regards to fantasy ramifications--I don't think it changes Adrian's value that much. He was a mid-late 1st rounder before the injury--and I think he's probably worth the same now.   If any extra touches go to the running game--I see the primary beneficiary being McKinnon. He probably goes from being one of the best handcuffs in the game to a possible flex option.   In regards to the WR core--I probably wouldn't panic too hard.  Even below average qbs should throw close to 200-220 yards per game--and I could still see Diggs being decent. I might bump him down a bit--but my guess is that his ADP will probably drop considerably in drafts that start today or after--so he might end up being a value.  I don't really change my outlook on Rudolph at all.   

 

[Buckna]

Throw Chip a 4th or even 3rd rounder and get Kap. He'd be just as good as Bridgewater was last year.

It's not totally out of the realm of possibility, but Kaep's salary makes it very unlikely the Vikings bring him in. The Vikings currently don't have enough cap space to trade for him and his bloated salary.

 

[JFS171]

For those calling to bring in a QB, can you think of any instance where a team brought in a QB from another team this close to or during the season and had great success?  I can't really think of any.  It seems most teams that have overcome a situation like this have done it with the #2 QB on their roster coming in and getting the job done.  I think their best chance seems to be Sean Hill playing decent enough for the team to win.  I'm not saying you don't bring in another body, just that I don't see signing or acquiring someone that hasn't been in camp and hoping for any level of success with that acquisition.

The Vikes are talented enough on both sides of the ball to be in the playoffs.  You have to bring another QB to replace Hill in case he really struggles.  That new QB would not be ready right away anyway but could be ready by week 5. 

Norv Turner runs the Air Coryell passing offense... it's extremely complicated, and it's got it's own unique language.  In the past, Turner has been criticized for trying to fit players to his system instead of the other way around.  Turner doesn't modify his offense for anyone either... you either get it or you don't, and he'll find someone else who can get it (see Charles Johnson last year for the most recent example).  From what I understand, the system is also very verbose, so just understanding the concepts doesn't mean you can actually call the plays.  It's not an easy system to simply learn and step in immediately without prior exposure to it.  Shaun Hill is likely their best bet for now, given he's had a few years in the system, unless you bring someone else in who previously worked with Turner or in the Air Coryell offense where the language would at least be the same.  Turner was the HC for the Chargers from 2007-2012, then the OC of the Browns in 2013, and then with the Vikings since.  Available QBs who have crossed paths with Turner are pretty limited -- Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell... yuck.

I can't currently find a list of all teams running Air Coryell principles in their base offense, so it's hard to guess exactly which potentially available QBs would fit with the system.  There are two interesting names down this road.  First, and perhaps most interesting to me is Mike Glennon, whose offensive coordinator and now HC is Dirk Koetter, who runs a version of Air Coryell.  The language and principles would likely be somewhat similar between Tampa's offense and Minnesota's, which may smooth the transition.  The second is Brian Hoyer, who was Norv Turner's QB in 2013 in Cleveland, going 3-0 when he got his chance to start. Hoyer's now the number 2 in Chicago, so... getting a division rival to help you out isn't always the easiest thing.  Mark Sanchez was likely exposed to Air Coryell principles and language in NY under OC Brian Schottenheimer, but that was back in 2011 and I'm not sure if Sparano carried over the same offense in 2012.  Chip Kelly's offense was obviously different.  Mettenberger has probably never been in the system as McCoy runs the Erhardt-Perkins offense (or his variation of it) and I believe Whizenhunt runs the same.

In my mind, if the Vikings are looking to bring someone in, they're probably kicking the tires on the cost to get Mike Glennon.  I think Sanchez would be the fallback, and honestly Turner may prefer Weeden who's played in the system more recently. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Norv Turner runs the Air Coryell passing offense... it's extremely complicated, and it's got it's own unique language.  In the past, Turner has been criticized for trying to fit players to his system instead of the other way around.  Turner doesn't modify his offense for anyone either... you either get it or you don't, and he'll find someone else who can get it (see Charles Johnson last year for the most recent example).  From what I understand, the system is also very verbose, so just understanding the concepts doesn't mean you can actually call the plays.  It's not an easy system to simply learn and step in immediately without prior exposure to it.  Shaun Hill is likely their best bet for now, given he's had a few years in the system, unless you bring someone else in who previously worked with Turner or in the Air Coryell offense where the language would at least be the same.  Turner was the HC for the Chargers from 2007-2012, then the OC of the Browns in 2013, and then with the Vikings since.  Available QBs who have crossed paths with Turner are pretty limited -- Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell... yuck.

I can't currently find a list of all teams running Air Coryell principles in their base offense, so it's hard to guess exactly which potentially available QBs would fit with the system.  There are two interesting names down this road.  First, and perhaps most interesting to me is Mike Glennon, whose offensive coordinator and now HC is Dirk Koetter, who runs a version of Air Coryell.  The language and principles would likely be somewhat similar between Tampa's offense and Minnesota's, which may smooth the transition.  The second is Brian Hoyer, who was Norv Turner's QB in 2013 in Cleveland, going 3-0 when he got his chance to start. Hoyer's now the number 2 in Chicago, so... getting a division rival to help you out isn't always the easiest thing.  Mark Sanchez was likely exposed to Air Coryell principles and language in NY under OC Brian Schottenheimer, but that was back in 2011 and I'm not sure if Sparano carried over the same offense in 2012.  Chip Kelly's offense was obviously different.  Mettenberger has probably never been in the system as McCoy runs the Erhardt-Perkins offense (or his variation of it) and I believe Whizenhunt runs the same.

In my mind, if the Vikings are looking to bring someone in, they're probably kicking the tires on the cost to get Mike Glennon.  I think Sanchez would be the fallback, and honestly Turner may prefer Weeden who's played in the system more recently. 




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Norv Turner runs a verticle-stretch passing attack.  He prefers a big tall strong armed QB who is a pocket passer and can take deep drops.  When the Vikes took Teddy it wasn't the 'perfect fit' but Teddy has a strong nuff arm and good short to medium accuracy but really did not have good deep-ball accuracy and that is why many questioned the fit with Norv Turner's offense but he brought his own unique skill set and it was working.

Glennon is a statue but is tall and has a strong arm.  Hoyer has a weak arm and has really gone downhill the last few years.

McCown is another name to keep apprised of.  He still has a strong arm, is a pocket passer, has operated in multiple passing attacks so I am sure he'd be familiar with Norv Turner concepts.  

The list isn't very long as far as I can see, Glennon or McCowan.  I didn't even realize Shun Hill was still in the league but I would imagine they would want someone else/better if they plan to make the playoffs and that team is built to win now outside of the horrible accident that happened to Teddy.

Kaep has the arm but really is not a good fit for a Norv Turner verticle-stretch offense.  He isn't a pocket passer, he is the opposite of a good fit IMHO.

 

[Billy Bats]

I would think they have to plan for next season too, at least the beginning of the year. Sounds like there is major damage, who knows if he'll be ready by week 1 next September. 

 

[JoeSteeler]

I would think they have to plan for next season too, at least the beginning of the year. Sounds like there is major damage, who knows if he'll be ready by week 1 next September. 

good point.

Not a Vikes fan, but am a Bridgewater fan, Feel bad for him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe they get McCown from the Browns?

i dunno if the Browns should deal though considering RGIII's propensity to take sacks - and rushing QBs do seem to get hurt more often.

i doubt they get Kaep - I think he committed career suicide with his anthem antics, and no team will touch hiim regardless of desperation. Plus the small problem that he plays like hot garbage. 

Last year was the year of RB Armageddon - Romo & Bridgewater so far....maybe this is the year of the QB Armageddon....who's next? 

 

[Tool]

Maybe they get McCown from the Browns?

i dunno if the Browns should deal though considering RGIII's propensity to take sacks - and rushing QBs do seem to get hurt more often.

i doubt they get Kaep - I think he committed career suicide with his anthem antics, and no team will touch hiim regardless of desperation. Plus the small problem that he plays like hot garbage. 

Last year was the year of RB Armageddon - Romo & Bridgewater so far....maybe this is the year of the QB Armageddon....who's next? 

Browns are going to be terrible anyway, so does it really matter. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Browns are going to be terrible anyway, so does it really matter. 

It does to the Browns? 

 

[RenegadeGM]

The new Browns regime has been pretty focused on gathering as many draft picks as possible, so I wouldn't doubt they will at least engage Minnesota to see what they may be able to receive for McCown.

The problem would be trading away your backup QB just days away from the start of the season, with only Cody Kessler currently listed behind McCown on the depth chart.  As much as we know the Browns probably won't be very good, I'm sure the team at least wants to roll into the season two-deep at QB and see how things play out before abandoning the season completely.

That being said, if the Browns think they can get Minnesota to overpay a bit with a pick or picks, they just may bite.  It doesn't hurt to see what the other side is willing to give up.

 

[JFS171]

Norv Turner runs a verticle-stretch passing attack.  He prefers a big tall strong armed QB who is a pocket passer and can take deep drops.  When the Vikes took Teddy it wasn't the 'perfect fit' but Teddy has a strong nuff arm and good short to medium accuracy but really did not have good deep-ball accuracy and that is why many questioned the fit with Norv Turner's offense but he brought his own unique skill set and it was working.

Glennon is a statue but is tall and has a strong arm.  Hoyer has a weak arm and has really gone downhill the last few years.

McCown is another name to keep apprised of.  He still has a strong arm, is a pocket passer, has operated in multiple passing attacks so I am sure he'd be familiar with Norv Turner concepts.  

The list isn't very long as far as I can see, Glennon or McCowan.  I didn't even realize Shun Hill was still in the league but I would imagine they would want someone else/better if they plan to make the playoffs and that team is built to win now outside of the horrible accident that happened to Teddy.

Kaep has the arm but really is not a good fit for a Norv Turner verticle-stretch offense.  He isn't a pocket passer, he is the opposite of a good fit IMHO.

Yep - Air Coryell... more than just vertical, it's the language that goes with it (this is a fantastic article comparing the three systems -- http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/.  And here's the crux of the problem for someone coming in to this system without any prior exposure:

The Coryell system, named after former San Diego Chargers head coach Don Coryell and used by coaches such as Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, and Mike Martz, is built around the concept of a route tree. Many teams use a route tree (which is the idea that the base route is straight up the field, and the other routes consist of break points off that original path), but the Coryell system uses the tree as the foundation of its play-calling system. For example, the Troy Aikman–era Dallas Cowboys frequently called a play called “896,” which told one outside receiver to run a square-in route (“6”), the tight end to run a seam straight up the field (“9”), and the split end to run a skinny post (“8”). The idea was that, using the route tree, a coach could effectively call any pass combination and all a receiver had to know was the number associated with his route.

In recent years, as offenses and defenses have grown more complex, these systems have started crumbling under their own weight. With multiple formations and personnel groupings, calls that began as “22 Z-In” have gotten unwieldy.

In the Coryell system, the elegance of the three-digit route-tree system has been rendered almost entirely obsolete. Because NFL teams operate predominantly in one-back formations, there are often more than three players running routes, and calling any pass play means having to use both numbers and words (“896 H-Shallow F-Curl”). More critically, the numerical route-tree system gives coaches and players flexibility where they don’t need it and not enough where they do. The “benefit” of a route-tree system is the ability to call any passing concept a coach could dream up, but that option is of very little use. Assuming the route tree has 10 routes (0-9), a three-digit tree gives an offense 59,049 different possible route combinations. That’s absurd. And yet, the route tree by definition only has 10 possible routes, much fewer than any NFL team actually runs. This means that any other route must be called by name, thus defeating the very purpose of having a route tree.

This effectively makes the Coryell system sound a lot like current West Coast offense play calls,1 which have no organizing principle and have morphed into monstrosities like “Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flat X-Q.” The advantage of a play call like this is that it informs a player of his job better than other systems do. The disadvantage is that it’s excessively clunky, and plays that are conceptually the same can have wildly different calls.

Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flax X-Q... holy ####.  It's like learning Chinese.

As to McCown - I don't know if he's had exposure to this offense in the past...
2015 - Cleveland -- John DeFilippo was the OC - no idea what system he runs and can't find it via quick Google search
2014 - Tampa Bay -- Jeff Tedford was supposed to be the OC, only he missed almost the whole year.  I'm not sure who ran the offense in his stead
2013 - Chicago - Marc Trestman's offense - more West Coast than Air Coryell
2012 - Chicago - Mike Tice (Took over for Mike Martz, who was an Air Coryell guy, so it's possible this was the Air Coryell system)
2011 - Chicago - Mike Martz was running the offense, and is a staunch Air Coryell system disciple...

So McCown has been in the Air Coryell offense before, as recently as 2012 potentially, though I'm not sure of his offensive systems for 2014 and last year.  Of potential interest, Tampa's HC in 2014 was Lovie Smith, who was also the HD of those 2011-12 Bears teams that ran Air Coryell.

 

[JFS171]

The new Browns regime has been pretty focused on gathering as many draft picks as possible, so I wouldn't doubt they will at least engage Minnesota to see what they may be able to receive for McCown.

The problem would be trading away your backup QB just days away from the start of the season, with only Cody Kessler currently listed behind McCown on the depth chart.  As much as we know the Browns probably won't be very good, I'm sure the team at least wants to roll into the season two-deep at QB and see how things play out before abandoning the season completely.

That being said, if the Browns think they can get Minnesota to overpay a bit with a pick or picks, they just may bite.  It doesn't hurt to see what the other side is willing to give up.

Given they spent a third round draft choice on Kessler, I'm guessing they like him.  And Hue is talking up RGIII right and left.  I would think McCown is available, at 37 years old.

 

[mr roboto]

Local sports talk radio chatter (mostly Paul Allen voice of the Vikes)...

Team will not substantially change game plan. Still run heavy and possession control offense. Maybe a bit fewer intermediate to deep shots and more slants/screens,curls. 

Treadwell will probably get more playing time, due to his strength, 50/50 ball skills and that he and Hill had more time together running the 2s in practice. But mostly because he's an excellent run blocker. 

Vikes resigned Sorensen who they had just cut so he's currently the 2 or 3 (Stave looks talented but very raw, if/when Heinecke comes back in early/mid season I expect him to immediately be the 2). 

Turners system is quite specific. McCown and Hoyer both know it. No one here wants Kaep, Geno or Sanchez. Hill is better than those guys solely because he knows this system. Expect to bring someone in off the street but Hill will be WK1 starter. 

We are deep at WR and have a near-elite young defense. The sky isn't falling in MN but everyone feels it went from a bright sunny day to partly cloudy. 

 

[Donnybrook]

Admittedly, I only watched him a couple times, last year, and he looked Joey Harrington-like in terms of panicky feet and throwing as quickly as possible to not get hit.  Thus the low YPA.

And this isn't a Vikings message board, it's a fantasy message board.  So I believe I also differ in opinion on your second point.

To your first point - I think you need to watch him more.  He is pretty cool under pressure.  

To your second point - no one should be relying on Bridgewater in fantasy unless your are in a 16 plus team or 2 QB league.    

 

[Bull Dozier]

Local sports talk radio chatter (mostly Paul Allen voice of the Vikes)...

Team will not substantially change game plan. Still run heavy and possession control offense. Maybe a bit fewer intermediate to deep shots and more slants/screens,curls. 

Treadwell will probably get more playing time, due to his strength, 50/50 ball skills and that he and Hill had more time together running the 2s in practice. But mostly because he's an excellent run blocker. 

Vikes resigned Sorensen who they had just cut so he's currently the 2 or 3 (Stave looks talented but very raw, if/when Heinecke comes back in early/mid season I expect him to immediately be the 2). 

Turners system is quite specific. McCown and Hoyer both know it. No one here wants Kaep, Geno or Sanchez. Hill is better than those guys solely because he knows this system. Expect to bring someone in off the street but Hill will be WK1 starter. 

We are deep at WR and have a near-elite young defense. The sky isn't falling in MN but everyone feels it went from a bright sunny day to partly cloudy. 

Worthless shill of a source.

 

[Fireinside]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing for Vikings?

Just get Kap, or play with hill. They are as good.

 

[mr roboto]

Worthless shill of a source.

Wow. Did he kick your puppy or something?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing for Vikings?

Just get Kap, or play with hill. They are as good.

Yes

 

[Funkley]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing for Vikings?

Just get Kap, or play with hill. They are as good.

Terrible take.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing for Vikings?

apparently

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Yep - Air Coryell... more than just vertical, it's the language that goes with it (this is a fantastic article comparing the three systems -- http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/.  And here's the crux of the problem for someone coming in to this system without any prior exposure:

Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flax X-Q... holy ####.  It's like learning Chinese.

As to McCown - I don't know if he's had exposure to this offense in the past...
2015 - Cleveland -- John DeFilippo was the OC - no idea what system he runs and can't find it via quick Google search
2014 - Tampa Bay -- Jeff Tedford was supposed to be the OC, only he missed almost the whole year.  I'm not sure who ran the offense in his stead
2013 - Chicago - Marc Trestman's offense - more West Coast than Air Coryell
2012 - Chicago - Mike Tice (Took over for Mike Martz, who was an Air Coryell guy, so it's possible this was the Air Coryell system)
2011 - Chicago - Mike Martz was running the offense, and is a staunch Air Coryell system disciple...

So McCown has been in the Air Coryell offense before, as recently as 2012 potentially, though I'm not sure of his offensive systems for 2014 and last year.  Of potential interest, Tampa's HC in 2014 was Lovie Smith, who was also the HD of those 2011-12 Bears teams that ran Air Coryell.




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Yes, the nomenclature is a burden but what Norv does is an extension to Air Coryell.

Basic philosophy is use a the running game to draw up the safeties and then hit the big play downfield.

Stretch the field vertically.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2013/8/13/4618706/san-diego-chargers-whisenhunt-mccoy-norv


 

The difference between the old Chargers offense and the new Chargers offense



Norv Turner's Offense



The Philosophy


Spread the defense. That's the goal of every offense in the National Football League. Make the defense have to choose the lesser of two evils, and then take what they give you.

Norv's offensive philosophy is pretty simple. Establish the running game as a threat, wait until the safeties start cheating up, and then use the play-action pass for a big play downfield. When the Safeties hang back to prevent the big play, hit the front seven with runs and short-passes.

Basically, stretch the defense vertically. 

...  Norv's offense, where a QB can get by with a strong arm and a good play-action fake,

...   When Norv's offense is working, you're going to see BIG plays down the field. 




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[Andy Dufresne]

I guess Hill can throw for three on third and five just as well as Teddy.

:resigned:

 

[Bull Dozier]

Wow. Did he kick your puppy or something?

Sorry, just hate him.  Can't stand a lot of his takes, and he never offers an unbiased take on the Vikes (which, while understandable since he is the voice of the Vikes, makes it no more palatable).

This is the guy the days before Childress was fired who stated emphatically that Chilly had not lost the locker room and that he still had the support of the players, but the day after his firing said that he had lost the players and a change needed to be made.  I could go on and on over his horrible takes, but it is just that I simply think the dude is a doosh nozzle.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I like P.A. the announcer but on KFAN he's as intolerable as the rest. He's like Jim Rome-lite.

 

[mr roboto]

I like P.A. the announcer but on KFAN he's as intolerable as the rest. He's like Jim Rome-lite.

Weird. I guess after living in a large combative sports market for 10 years, I find him civil and interesting. Maybe he rubs the MN market the wrong way. 

I find 0 in common between him and Rome. Speaking of which (Common Man) that's a guy whose acts gets old in about 2 weeks. 

 

[jabarony]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing for Vikings?

Just get Kap, or play with hill. They are as good.

I'll say it's bad for the Vikings franchise, and their playoff hopes. But I see it as an improvement for any Viking player's ff outlook (save the defense).  More chances down field, more shootouts, more turnovers, more playing catch-up.

Can't be worse than 3200 yds and 14 TDs.

 

[JFS171]

The Cleveland Plain Dealer confirms the Browns won't part with Josh McCown unless a team is willing to give up a "high pick."

That price tag is rumored to be in the third round, although it's perhaps gotten steeper with multiple NFL teams losing quarterbacks recently. Ultimately, the Plain Dealer says the Browns are "unlikely" to part with McCown. As the Plain Dealer notes, McCown may be needed to make starts this year if Robert Griffin III gets hurt. (Griffin was sacked five times in one half of the Browns' third preseason game.) The Browns also view McCown as a valuable "mentor" to rehab project Griffin and third-round rookie Cody Kessler.

 

 

[Bull Dozier]

Weird. I guess after living in a large combative sports market for 10 years, I find him civil and interesting. Maybe he rubs the MN market the wrong way. 

I find 0 in common between him and Rome. Speaking of which (Common Man) that's a guy whose acts gets old in about 2 weeks. 

Common is the only guy I can listen to on KFAN anymore (but I would concede some of his stuff gets old).

 

[Bracie Smathers]

43 minutes ago, mr roboto said:
The Cleveland Plain Dealer confirms the Browns won't part with Josh McCown unless a team is willing to give up a "high pick."


That price tag is rumored to be in the third round, although it's perhaps gotten steeper with multiple NFL teams losing quarterbacks recently. Ultimately, the Plain Dealer says the Browns are "unlikely" to part with McCown. As the Plain Dealer notes, McCown may be needed to make starts this year if Robert Griffin III gets hurt. (Griffin was sacked five times in one half of the Browns' third preseason game.) The Browns also view McCown as a valuable "mentor" to rehab project Griffin and third-round rookie Cody Kessler.




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When Romo went down the cost was rumored in the 4th round range.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tony-romo-backup-debacle-didnt-000000543.html

... Josh McCown, whose price tag is believed to be no less than a fourth-round pick.

The Browns just cut their 4th QB so trading away McCown would mean heading into the season with only RG III and rookie 3rd round QB Cody Kessler who isn't nearly ready to take over.

The team just traded away Pro Bowl punter Andy Lee and a 2017 7th round pick for a 2018 4th round pick so I am sure that a future 2018 3rd FOR McCown and a 2017 6th round pick or something along those lines could also work so long as the Browns could re-claim the QB they cut to have insurance in case RG III goes down but I don't know his status or if they are eager to dish McCown at this point.  

I was just spit-balling on what is out there that fits Norv's system and McCown 'seems' the best option IMHO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'll say it's bad for the Vikings franchise, and their playoff hopes. But I see it as an improvement for any Viking player's ff outlook (save the defense).  More chances down field, more shootouts, more turnovers, more playing catch-up.

Can't be worse than 3200 yds and 14 TDs.

Yes it can. Teddy was held back by Norm (and likely wouldn't have been this year). Hill is held back by Hill.

To say the talent level is equal is ludicrous.

 

[Arodin]

The new Browns regime has been pretty focused on gathering as many draft picks as possible, so I wouldn't doubt they will at least engage Minnesota to see what they may be able to receive for McCown.

The problem would be trading away your backup QB just days away from the start of the season, with only Cody Kessler currently listed behind McCown on the depth chart.  As much as we know the Browns probably won't be very good, I'm sure the team at least wants to roll into the season two-deep at QB and see how things play out before abandoning the season completely.

That being said, if the Browns think they can get Minnesota to overpay a bit with a pick or picks, they just may bite.  It doesn't hurt to see what the other side is willing to give up.

I'd expect for the right price the Cleveland brain trust would part with McCown.  They could bring back the guy they just cut (blanking on the name) if they don't think Kessler is ready for primary backup duty.

 

[skol asylum]

I want Glennon or McCarron. I'd like a young guy with potential in case Teddy doesn't come back the same.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Norv Turner runs a verticle-stretch passing attack.  He prefers a big tall strong armed QB who is a pocket passer and can take deep drops.  When the Vikes took Teddy it wasn't the 'perfect fit' but Teddy has a strong nuff arm and good short to medium accuracy but really did not have good deep-ball accuracy and that is why many questioned the fit with Norv Turner's offense but he brought his own unique skill set and it was working.

Glennon is a statue but is tall and has a strong arm.  Hoyer has a weak arm and has really gone downhill the last few years.

McCown is another name to keep apprised of.  He still has a strong arm, is a pocket passer, has operated in multiple passing attacks so I am sure he'd be familiar with Norv Turner concepts.  

The list isn't very long as far as I can see, Glennon or McCowan.  I didn't even realize Shun Hill was still in the league but I would imagine they would want someone else/better if they plan to make the playoffs and that team is built to win now outside of the horrible accident that happened to Teddy.

Kaep has the arm but really is not a good fit for a Norv Turner verticle-stretch offense.  He isn't a pocket passer, he is the opposite of a good fit IMHO.

His vertical passing attack was 3rd worst in the league last season in yards per attempt

 

[Bracie Smathers]

His vertical passing attack was 3rd worst in the league last season in yards per attempt

Which was good enough to make the playoffs where they could have advanced if not for a missed kick.

Now they can head into the season with less than what got them that far or make a move to get a QB who fits the system.

 

[Biabreakable]

A lot has been made of Norv Turners offense being based on stretching the defense vericially, I heard a ton of people talking about this like they understand Norv's system and the kind of QBs that will be effective in it. That type of reasoning led to people predicting the Vikings would draft Zach Mettenberger.

However if you actually listen to Norv, he wanted no parts of Mettenberger or that type of QB. This is the coach that was largely responsible for the Chargers drafting Drew Brees, which after they drafted Teddy Norv made comparisons to. When pressed some more on the subject Norv states clearly that he does NOT want a QB who can throw through a wall. The QB he wants should have good touch and anticipation with their throws.

As for as Norv's system being too complicated? That is not the case either. The play calls have been greatly simplified into packaged plays where the QB has 3 different play calls for each play that he can choose from with an easy way to communicate which one they will running as their are only 3 options. Now the players do need to know all of the packaged plays and what type of down and distance that different packages will be used on, but it is not this complicated verbiage that has been discussed in this thread.

Teddy Bridgewater is the ideal QB for Norv Turners current offensive system, just as Brees likely was more so than Phillip Rivers.

 

[Moonshine]

Will Carroll 

 
✔@injuryexpert



Source confirms tibiofemoral dislocation, ruptured ACL for Bridgewater. "Trainers may have saved his leg and career by quick action."


9:02 AM - 31 Aug 2016

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Will Carroll 


 
✔@injuryexpert



Tibiofemoral dislocation ... basically, Bridgewater's femur (upper leg) went off the tibia (shin, lower leg.) Yeah.


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Ouchies.

 

[mr roboto]

Non-gory x-ray of what that means...

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffoamcast.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fscreen-shot-2015-01-12-at-5-13-06-pm.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffoamcast.org%2Ftag%2Fknee-dislocation-in-the-ed%2F&docid=WJi4Tz2qEBrMZM&tbnid=88aSucmEf0fWvM%3A&w=566&h=452&hl=en-us&client=safari&bih=559&biw=375&ved=0ahUKEwixxdfv4ezOAhXK4SYKHcBQDMUQMwggKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Which was good enough to make the playoffs where they could have advanced if not for a missed kick.

You're totally missing the point

 

[jabarony]

Yes it can. Teddy was held back by Norm (and likely wouldn't have been this year). Hill is held back by Hill.

To say the talent level is equal is ludicrous.

I didn't say Hill was more talented.  I stated they'll get more ff production from the QB position, now.  I feel very confident whoever replaces Ted B will have better stats.  3200/14/9 is a 1970's statline.

 

[Otis]

How the F does that happen?  Nasty. 

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Well...

I'm not a Vikings fan and this is something I don't wish on any player. I did think the Vikings were going to be really good this year.

That being said, if this season in an utter failure, a good draft pick only helps.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Non-gory x-ray of what that means...

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffoamcast.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fscreen-shot-2015-01-12-at-5-13-06-pm.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffoamcast.org%2Ftag%2Fknee-dislocation-in-the-ed%2F&docid=WJi4Tz2qEBrMZM&tbnid=88aSucmEf0fWvM%3A&w=566&h=452&hl=en-us&client=safari&bih=559&biw=375&ved=0ahUKEwixxdfv4ezOAhXK4SYKHcBQDMUQMwggKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

Non- gory but I still wish I hadn't clicked. Dang.

 

[tone1oc]

Non- gory but I still wish I hadn't clicked. Dang.

Thanks, I've been debating it myself.. 

 

[Rogi]

A reminder of why TB was becoming a local favorite.

http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/19036/teddy-bridgewater-surprises-6-year-old-who-invited-him-to-his-birthday-party?ex_cid=espnapi_public