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Broncos trade WR Adams to Cowboys

Written by: Andrew Mason ¦ 8/17/2006

Source: www.denverbroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The Denver Broncos on Thursday traded wide receiver Charlie Adams to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, Head Coach Mike Shanahan announced.

Adams (6-foot-2, 190 pounds) is in his fourth NFL season and appeared on the Broncos' active roster in each of the last three years after competing on the club's practice squad in 2002 as a rookie. In 24 career games (2 starts), he has totaled 21 receptions for 203 yards (9.7 avg.) along with 18 punt returns for 175 yards (9.7 avg.) and 10 kickoff returns for 218 yards (21.8 avg.).

Adams entered the NFL with Denver in 2002 as a college free agent from Hofstra University.

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Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.

 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
 
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Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
:lmao:
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
ladies and gentlemen...the skipper!
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
100 percent agreement.Now, if they get somethig GOOD in return for Lelie, as well, I think Shanahan is leading candidate for GM of the Year.
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
100 percent agreement.Now, if they get somethig GOOD in return for Lelie, as well, I think Shanahan is leading candidate for GM of the Year.
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Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
:D
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
I dunno.Seems to me DEN fans are dangerously close to asking themselves "Why didn't we draft a RB on day #1 when everyone thought we would?". Simply put the RB's in DEN's stable aren't scaring anyone right now and while I'm a fan of Plummer in that offense you have a 36yo WR, a WR coming back from a major knee injury, a WR that has never been able to catch with one hand and one "claw", and last(but probably least) a TE made of porcelain. We'll see how it all turns out but I'm not entirely convinced '06 DEN = '05 DEN, let alone any better.
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
Nope, I don't mean Sundquist. Shanny's the guy with all of the authority and the final say on all decisions- ranging from who Denver drafts to who Denver signs. Sort of like in Houston- Rick Smith might carry the title of GM, but everybody knows that it's Kubiak who's calling all of the shots.This isn't to disparage Ted Sundquist, who I think is a phenominal personnel guy. It's just that the buck stops at Shanahan. Sort of like in New England when everyone praises Bellichick as a defensive genius despite the fact that he's never been the defensive coordinator.
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
100 percent agreement.Now, if they get somethig GOOD in return for Lelie, as well, I think Shanahan is leading candidate for GM of the Year.
To be perfectly honest, he should have won it last year. He got ridiculed for bringing in the Cleveland Defensive Line, for letting Reuben Droughns go, for sticking with Plummer, and for drafting 3 straight CBs with his first three picks in the draft... and every single one of those moves turned to solid gold. People get hung up on the Clarett pick, but the fact of the matter is that Clarett wasn't even the highest draft pick that failed to make the team last year- several other higher third rounders also failed to make their respective teams, yet for some strange reason that wasn't front page news.Denver's offseason last year was the best I'd seen since the 1995/1996/1997 stretch where everything Shanahan touched turned to gold (Zimmerman, Nalen, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Neil Smith, Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, John Mobley, etc, etc, etc).I argued this till I was blue in the face last year, but everyone who makes fun of Shanahan's talent evaluation or draft history is just plain misguided. Shanny's one of the top-10 GMs in the entire NFL- if not top-5. Compare Denver's draft history under Shanahan to the draft history of any other team in the league and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
I dunno.Seems to me DEN fans are dangerously close to asking themselves "Why didn't we draft a RB on day #1 when everyone thought we would?". Simply put the RB's in DEN's stable aren't scaring anyone right now and while I'm a fan of Plummer in that offense you have a 36yo WR, a WR coming back from a major knee injury, a WR that has never been able to catch with one hand and one "claw", and last(but probably least) a TE made of porcelain. We'll see how it all turns out but I'm not entirely convinced '06 DEN = '05 DEN, let alone any better.
No Denver fan that I know is asking themselves that. All the Denver fans that I know are well aware of Shanny's history of success with late-round selections or undrafted free agents. No Denver fan I've ever met spends a moment worrying about the running game. We all know the running game will be rocking. We all worry about the pass-rush, instead. :)Anyway, I love Denver's draft last year. Everyone talks about how when they draft, they take the best player available, but for 25+ teams, that's a load of :bs: . Shanahan this year, however, proved that he's always thinking long term and that he genuinely does draft BPA rather than need. There's a reason why Denver's only had one losing season under Shanahan. They never rebuild, they simply reload. :banned:
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
I dunno.Seems to me DEN fans are dangerously close to asking themselves "Why didn't we draft a RB on day #1 when everyone thought we would?". Simply put the RB's in DEN's stable aren't scaring anyone right now and while I'm a fan of Plummer in that offense you have a 36yo WR, a WR coming back from a major knee injury, a WR that has never been able to catch with one hand and one "claw", and last(but probably least) a TE made of porcelain. We'll see how it all turns out but I'm not entirely convinced '06 DEN = '05 DEN, let alone any better.
I think they really thought they had what they needed there to at least get by for this year (Bell and Dayne), and addressed some other glaring needs instead on day 1. I also think that the trade up for Cutler also sabotaged a potential 1st round RB draft pick. I don't think many of us are wishing we had another rookie RB to throw into the mix, though.
 
I think they really thought they had what they needed there to at least get by for this year (Bell and Dayne), and addressed some other glaring needs instead on day 1. I also think that the trade up for Cutler also sabotaged a potential 1st round RB draft pick. I don't think many of us are wishing we had another rookie RB to throw into the mix, though.
Do you think Bell/Dayne is what they needed?I don't think they went for glaring needs at all. Plummer played extremely well last season and I fully expect him to play at that level again this season. Smith is going to slow down eventually. Will Walker get 770/1 that Lelie got last year? Maybe, probably in that neigborhood. Will Walker get the 1084/7 Lelie got the year before? I doubt it very much. TE is certainly a need to be sure..... and Scheffler is projected for around 200 yards this season. I don't see anyone on the roster getting near the 481 Putzier got last year... and I'm not even a fan of Putzier.QB - very good and better backup(though still a rookie)RB - worse, not even closeWR - slightly worse but it could be argued unchanged if Walker can manage 770TE - worseOL - unchangedPK - unchangedI just don't see how this DEN team is much/any better than last years club. Cutler may prove to have been a great move but based on what Plummer showed last season he looks like a guy that's got another two years in him.
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
not a wise trade IMOWatts is...well it's summer, so he'll turn into his ol' self and not the spring darling he's been.Lelie is useless.Rookie WR some like but I haven't seen do squat.#2 WR is coming back from an ACLSo who backs up 90 year old Rod Smith?At least Adams was their #3 last year and had some experience and new the O. Now they have to get Lelie to play or get a WR in return.
 
This isn't to disparage Ted Sundquist, who I think is a phenominal personnel guy. It's just that the buck stops at Shanahan. Sort of like in New England when everyone praises Bellichick as a defensive genius despite the fact that he's never been the defensive coordinator.
lol at you always finding a way to try to "dig" at BB
 
I think they really thought they had what they needed there to at least get by for this year (Bell and Dayne), and addressed some other glaring needs instead on day 1. I also think that the trade up for Cutler also sabotaged a potential 1st round RB draft pick. I don't think many of us are wishing we had another rookie RB to throw into the mix, though.
Do you think Bell/Dayne is what they needed?I don't think they went for glaring needs at all. Plummer played extremely well last season and I fully expect him to play at that level again this season. Smith is going to slow down eventually. Will Walker get 770/1 that Lelie got last year? Maybe, probably in that neigborhood. Will Walker get the 1084/7 Lelie got the year before? I doubt it very much. TE is certainly a need to be sure..... and Scheffler is projected for around 200 yards this season. I don't see anyone on the roster getting near the 481 Putzier got last year... and I'm not even a fan of Putzier.QB - very good and better backup(though still a rookie)RB - worse, not even closeWR - slightly worse but it could be argued unchanged if Walker can manage 770TE - worseOL - unchangedPK - unchangedI just don't see how this DEN team is much/any better than last years club. Cutler may prove to have been a great move but based on what Plummer showed last season he looks like a guy that's got another two years in him.
I think that Bell and Dayne, at the time of the draft, were certainly viewed as at least "serviceable" in the Denver system, and it's not in my personal nature to second guess or look back on decisions given the context. I assume others feel the same way, and the emergence of Mike Bell reinforces the plug-and-play "myth" we're all used to.The QB pick may not be a glaring need to you, but Plummer is not the long (LONG) term solution at QB here. Van freakin' Pelt was next in line. That spells need to me, and we already know Shanny can't draft QBs like he can draft RBs.WR was a severe need for Denver. Lelie was clearly not the near or long term answer for replacing Rod Smith, and NE swiped a good candidate for that just before the trade was consumated. Upside is Javon is already polished....advantage Denver. I won't bother to guess at stats; but if you are trying to say that Smith & Lelie is as attractive as Smith & Walker, I'd say you were mistaken. And that's the bottom line.If Scheffler doesn't do wonders for you this year, he'll be fine soon. Fact of the matter is Putzier was out and we needed somebody, and Scheffler is a great pick. It's getting redundant but the draft is about the future, not the present. When I say glaring, I don't necessarily mean 2006. I'm taking the grand picture into account.
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
Don't you mean Ted Sundquist, the GENERAL MANAGER of the Broncos... Coaches don't make trades little buddy
Nope, I don't mean Sundquist. Shanny's the guy with all of the authority and the final say on all decisions- ranging from who Denver drafts to who Denver signs. Sort of like in Houston- Rick Smith might carry the title of GM, but everybody knows that it's Kubiak who's calling all of the shots.This isn't to disparage Ted Sundquist, who I think is a phenominal personnel guy. It's just that the buck stops at Shanahan. Sort of like in New England when everyone praises Bellichick as a defensive genius despite the fact that he's never been the defensive coordinator.
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
100 percent agreement.Now, if they get somethig GOOD in return for Lelie, as well, I think Shanahan is leading candidate for GM of the Year.
To be perfectly honest, he should have won it last year. He got ridiculed for bringing in the Cleveland Defensive Line, for letting Reuben Droughns go, for sticking with Plummer, and for drafting 3 straight CBs with his first three picks in the draft... and every single one of those moves turned to solid gold. People get hung up on the Clarett pick, but the fact of the matter is that Clarett wasn't even the highest draft pick that failed to make the team last year- several other higher third rounders also failed to make their respective teams, yet for some strange reason that wasn't front page news.Denver's offseason last year was the best I'd seen since the 1995/1996/1997 stretch where everything Shanahan touched turned to gold (Zimmerman, Nalen, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Neil Smith, Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, John Mobley, etc, etc, etc).I argued this till I was blue in the face last year, but everyone who makes fun of Shanahan's talent evaluation or draft history is just plain misguided. Shanny's one of the top-10 GMs in the entire NFL- if not top-5. Compare Denver's draft history under Shanahan to the draft history of any other team in the league and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
I dunno.Seems to me DEN fans are dangerously close to asking themselves "Why didn't we draft a RB on day #1 when everyone thought we would?". Simply put the RB's in DEN's stable aren't scaring anyone right now and while I'm a fan of Plummer in that offense you have a 36yo WR, a WR coming back from a major knee injury, a WR that has never been able to catch with one hand and one "claw", and last(but probably least) a TE made of porcelain. We'll see how it all turns out but I'm not entirely convinced '06 DEN = '05 DEN, let alone any better.
No Denver fan that I know is asking themselves that. All the Denver fans that I know are well aware of Shanny's history of success with late-round selections or undrafted free agents. No Denver fan I've ever met spends a moment worrying about the running game. We all know the running game will be rocking. We all worry about the pass-rush, instead. :)
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Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
not a wise trade IMOWatts is...well it's summer, so he'll turn into his ol' self and not the spring darling he's been.Lelie is useless.Rookie WR some like but I haven't seen do squat.#2 WR is coming back from an ACLSo who backs up 90 year old Rod Smith?At least Adams was their #3 last year and had some experience and new the O. Now they have to get Lelie to play or get a WR in return.
They have a LOT of competition at the #3 WR spot this year, and Adams wasn't at the top. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, which is understandable...we're talking about a position that has been pretty insignificant in Denver the last few years. Barring injury of course.
 
I won't bother to guess at stats; but if you are trying to say that Smith & Lelie is as attractive as Smith & Walker, I'd say you were mistaken. And that's the bottom line.
Very well.Smith and Lelie have combined for 2228/14 as recently as 2004. Maybe Smith/Walker will do better but I'm betting the "UNDER".
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
not a wise trade IMOWatts is...well it's summer, so he'll turn into his ol' self and not the spring darling he's been.Lelie is useless.Rookie WR some like but I haven't seen do squat.#2 WR is coming back from an ACLSo who backs up 90 year old Rod Smith?At least Adams was their #3 last year and had some experience and new the O. Now they have to get Lelie to play or get a WR in return.
They have a LOT of competition at the #3 WR spot this year, and Adams wasn't at the top. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, which is understandable...we're talking about a position that has been pretty insignificant in Denver the last few years. Barring injury of course.
what players are competing that I didn't mention above?
 
They have a LOT of competition at the #3 WR spot this year, and Adams wasn't at the top. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, which is understandable...we're talking about a position that has been pretty insignificant in Denver the last few years. Barring injury of course.
Who are the top cantidates at WR3-WR6 this season?
 
Another great trade for Shanahan. Doesn't matter what they get in return for him- he wasn't going to make the roster, so Denver basically just got a free draft pick. Shanny's on fire. He's made more trades than anyone over the last 3 seasons, and he's probably come out ahead in every single one of them.
not a wise trade IMOWatts is...well it's summer, so he'll turn into his ol' self and not the spring darling he's been.Lelie is useless.Rookie WR some like but I haven't seen do squat.#2 WR is coming back from an ACLSo who backs up 90 year old Rod Smith?At least Adams was their #3 last year and had some experience and new the O. Now they have to get Lelie to play or get a WR in return.
Adams wasn't even going to make the team. If you think that trading a guy that you were going to cut anyway for a draft pick isn't a wise trade... well then, I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.
This isn't to disparage Ted Sundquist, who I think is a phenominal personnel guy. It's just that the buck stops at Shanahan. Sort of like in New England when everyone praises Bellichick as a defensive genius despite the fact that he's never been the defensive coordinator.
lol at you always finding a way to try to "dig" at BB
What? How was that a dig at all? I think Bellichick *DESERVES* the praise as a defensive genius, even though he wasn't the D-Cooridinator. Bellichick *IS* a defensive genius. People calling him that is just an example of people knowing where the buck stops.
They have a LOT of competition at the #3 WR spot this year, and Adams wasn't at the top. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, which is understandable...we're talking about a position that has been pretty insignificant in Denver the last few years. Barring injury of course.
Who are the top cantidates at WR3-WR6 this season?
Smith and Walker are 1 and 2, obviously. The big battle for the #3 spot was between Darius Watts, who can get open against anyone in the league but has problems with his concentration and catching skills, and Brandon Marshall, who probably had the inside track on the job before he got injured. After that, David Kircus has been looking phenominal and would be hard to cut at this point, and David Terrell is a guy that the front office really likes. Plus there's Dominique Hixon, who was drafted this season mostly as a return specialist but hasn't even seen the field yet thanks to a foot injury. Then, at the end of the list, you've got Adams and Devoe.From what I hear, it sounds like the WRs rank as follows:Rod SmithJavon WalkerDarius Watts (as long as Marshall is injured or behind the curve)Brandon Marshall (only until he's healthy enough to beat out Watts again)David KircusDavid TerrellTodd Devoe/Charlie AdamsAnd I have no idea where Dominique Hixon was going to fit in there.
 
From what I hear, it sounds like the WRs rank as follows:Rod SmithJavon WalkerDarius Watts (as long as Marshall is injured or behind the curve)Brandon Marshall (only until he's healthy enough to beat out Watts again)David KircusDavid TerrellTodd Devoe/Charlie AdamsAnd I have no idea where Dominique Hixon was going to fit in there.
just to reiterate with a list posted(not to bait) IMO They need a solid WR to backup Rod which is the most vital cog to that O, the one constant for years while RB, TE, OL, and QB changed. I think this is important.Adams has some experience and knows the O. Sadly that makes him better than a bunch on that list. IF you told me they'll sign player X cut from team Y, then I'd like the trade.Is Kircus a WR that's bounced around the NFL briefly? The name rings a bell. If I am rememberring correctly he goes with Terrell and Watts as two that always look good in preseason and stink when September comes. I should point out David Patten was that type of player in NY and CLE before being a good WR in NE so it's possible one of them pans out. We'll see....Really hope they sign vet WR to back Rod up though
 
To be perfectly honest, he should have won it last year. He got ridiculed for bringing in the Cleveland Defensive Line, for letting Reuben Droughns go, for sticking with Plummer, and for drafting 3 straight CBs with his first three picks in the draft... and every single one of those moves turned to solid gold. People get hung up on the Clarett pick, but the fact of the matter is that Clarett wasn't even the highest draft pick that failed to make the team last year- several other higher third rounders also failed to make their respective teams, yet for some strange reason that wasn't front page news.Denver's offseason last year was the best I'd seen since the 1995/1996/1997 stretch where everything Shanahan touched turned to gold (Zimmerman, Nalen, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Neil Smith, Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, John Mobley, etc, etc, etc).I argued this till I was blue in the face last year, but everyone who makes fun of Shanahan's talent evaluation or draft history is just plain misguided. Shanny's one of the top-10 GMs in the entire NFL- if not top-5. Compare Denver's draft history under Shanahan to the draft history of any other team in the league and you'll see what I'm talking about.
I thought most of that was done by Bronco Billy. He's the one who deserves the credit.
 
Shanny said a few weeks ago that this is the deepest set of WRs he's ever had and that every one of them could honestly make the team. That makes the bottom 1/2 of the WR depth chart expendible, but valuable as well. So what do you do when you have a lot of something other teams need? You trade, of course. Good move, IMO. Just wish we knew which pick it was for.

Regardless, kudos to Shanny for getting something for a WR that may have been cut anyway.

As a Bronco fan, I'm not concerned at all about the running game. I am concerned about the pass rush.

Plummer is doing well, but he's aged and is not the long term answer. They needed a clear replacement and they now have one.

I find it funny that everyone is saying the Broncos needed an RB and WR and didn't draft for it. Just shows people aren't paying attention, even with all the media covering the long line of Bronco RBs that step from obscurity (w/ exception of Portis) to shine with the Broncos.

Draft a WR in the first round? Uh, no thanks. Take a QB, CB, DL, etc, but not a WR. There are many stud WRs out there to be had via FA or trade, but few stud QBs.

 
More details in the Denver Post.

Denver traded Adams, the team's No. 3 receiver and return man last year, to Dallas for a sixth-round pick in 2007.

Adams, who practiced with the Broncos on Thursday morning, probably would have had a difficult time making Denver's roster. However, in Dallas, he could be the No. 4 receiver.

"No clue that was coming," Adams said Thursday night. "But with all the depth at the position, I think this is the best-case scenario for me."
 
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There are many stud WRs out there to be had via FA or trade, but few stud QBs.
There are? Can you name a few of the "many"? TO went into DEN, they told him how much they were willing to pay, TO went back out of DEN. Besides TO what are the other "stud" WR's that changed teams this summer?
 
Bri said:
Is Kircus a WR that's bounced around the NFL briefly?
Kircus was an undrafted rookie out of Grand Valley State. He set all kinds of Division II records and was signed by the Lions. He's spent his entire career up until this point with the Lions as a 4th - 5th WR. He's lacked consistency and never showed a ton of ability at the pro level. He looked great against Detroit, but that could be attributed to him playing his own team and some familiarity with the Detroit CBs.
 
Bri said:
SSOG said:
From what I hear, it sounds like the WRs rank as follows:Rod SmithJavon WalkerDarius Watts (as long as Marshall is injured or behind the curve)Brandon Marshall (only until he's healthy enough to beat out Watts again)David KircusDavid TerrellTodd Devoe/Charlie AdamsAnd I have no idea where Dominique Hixon was going to fit in there.
just to reiterate with a list posted(not to bait) IMO They need a solid WR to backup Rod which is the most vital cog to that O, the one constant for years while RB, TE, OL, and QB changed. I think this is important.Adams has some experience and knows the O. Sadly that makes him better than a bunch on that list. IF you told me they'll sign player X cut from team Y, then I'd like the trade.Is Kircus a WR that's bounced around the NFL briefly? The name rings a bell. If I am rememberring correctly he goes with Terrell and Watts as two that always look good in preseason and stink when September comes. I should point out David Patten was that type of player in NY and CLE before being a good WR in NE so it's possible one of them pans out. We'll see....Really hope they sign vet WR to back Rod up though
Adams wasn't really a solid backup. He was very inconsistant and didn't have a lot of talent. All he had going for him was that he was a hard worker. From what I've heard, Devoe has looked better this offseason, and is basically the same player anyway (Adams and Devoe were #3 and #4 last year).Kircus was a guy that got cut from the Lions 4 times last year. Pretty sure he was an undrafted free agent. I've never even heard of him getting preseason action before, although I suppose he must have. Also, Watts doesn't look good in Preseason- he looks good in shorts, but he starts looking bad in preseason. That's why he fell to #5 last year during the preseason.I'm very happy with the WRs they have. They have a nice mix of Veterans up front (Rod and J-Walk) with a pair of veterans who both know the offense behind them (Terrell and Watts), and a couple of high-upside guys who are basically first year players (Marshall and Kircus).
BoltBacker said:
Brewdude said:
There are many stud WRs out there to be had via FA or trade, but few stud QBs.
There are? Can you name a few of the "many"? TO went into DEN, they told him how much they were willing to pay, TO went back out of DEN. Besides TO what are the other "stud" WR's that changed teams this summer?
I'll give you a hint. His name starts with a "J" and ends with an "avon Walker".Also, in the past year, Randy Moss, Laveranues Coles, and Santana Moss have all switched teams via trade, too. Lelie and Porter aren't exactly studs, but they're solid starters with 1,000 yard seasons (okay, Porter fell 2 yards short, but he made up for it with 9 TDs), and they're also on the market.
 
BoltBacker said:
Brewdude said:
There are many stud WRs out there to be had via FA or trade, but few stud QBs.
There are? Can you name a few of the "many"? TO went into DEN, they told him how much they were willing to pay, TO went back out of DEN. Besides TO what are the other "stud" WR's that changed teams this summer?
I'll give you a hint. His name starts with a "J" and ends with an "avon Walker".Also, in the past year, Randy Moss, Laveranues Coles, and Santana Moss have all switched teams via trade, too. Lelie and Porter aren't exactly studs, but they're solid starters with 1,000 yard seasons (okay, Porter fell 2 yards short, but he made up for it with 9 TDs), and they're also on the market.
add these to the lists:In 2006 offseason:Antonio BryantNate BurlesonKeyshawn JohnsonBrandon LloydEric MouldsIn 2005 offseason:Mushin MuhammedPlaxico BurressDerrick MasonOk, maybe they aren't all "Studs", but they are all starter quality.
 
WR Adams fails Cowboys physical

Written by: Andrew Mason ¦ 8/18/2006

Source: www.denverbroncos.com

Charlie Adams reverted back to the Broncos on Friday after he failed a physical with the Cowboys, thus negating the deal with Dallas that had sent an undisclosed draft choice to Denver.

http://www.denverbroncos.com

 
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Here is the PC:

Charlie Adams didn’t pass our physical. So he’ll be going back to Denver. It wasn’t something we really knew about when we traded for him.

Are you back in the market?

We’ll be doing what we were doing, yeah.

What profile did you see for him?

Someone who would have definitely been in the mix at WR. I would have played him at split end. It won’t be a factor now. We’re at 81 players.

Does it change your gameplan for Monday Night?

No, I wouldn’t have been able to get him ready to play anyway.

Ellis?

He’ll play a little more this week. He wasn’t in there that long, but he did a pretty good job. He’s improving on his techniques. It isn’t an easy transition, and the further he gets along in it the more he sees that he needs to do it. But it really is going well. It really is. I hope it works out, it will be a big, big help if it does.

How comfortable do you need to be with him to go with that?

I’ve always been comfortable with him as a player, but it would be a big help to get two pass rushers on the field at the same time.

Players who will play more this week?

Coleman. McQuinston. Fabini will play quite a bit. I haven’t decided on the TE’s yet. Hannam didn’t play much against Seattle because I’ve been monitoring his knee. It looks to be getting better. I will probably start Bledsoe. I don’t know if Baker will play. I really haven’t done this yet, honestly. I’ll probably do it tomorrow morning or afternoon, but my main two QB’s will be Bledsoe and Romo, and I’m not sure anyone else will play.

Baker?

He’s pretty smart. I like the way he throws the ball a little bit, but I’m just looking at him to make sure I don’t miss something.

TO playing?

I don’t know, I need to see him some more in practice this week.

Secondary development

They’re more familiar with one another. They’ve been playing together for a while now. We’re working in more young players. We’re evaluating some of these new guys. We have a couple of guys who can play CB and S, so we’re trying to decide how much emphasis we put on that. I hope Jacque picks it up a little bit. My expectations are high for him. He played well for us last year. But he’s had some trouble the past few days.

Camp in Oxnard.

The best part is being able to work your team without the physical ailments that other teams around the league suffer because of dehydration. A lot of teams really can’t work their guys hard enough. The environment makes it conducive to learning instead of just surviving. I think when we get to Texas I’m going to work them inside for a while. I don’t want them dehydrating and tightening up for a little while. I’ll get them out there a little bit, but I’m not going to put them out there twice a day at 105 heat. I thought we were ready to go getting out of camp last year. To go out to San Diego and get the win against a team coming off a 12-4 season was pretty good. Jacksonville is going to be tough, so I want my team ready to go.

How do you prepare for those hot Texas Stadium games?

I don’t mind the night games at Texas Stadium too much. I like that the last two preseason games are at night games in Dallas, because it gets them acclimated to the weather without destroying them. But I’ll just work them inside and outside some. I think retrospectively .. this is something that I’ve changed my mind on over the years … you don’t get a lot of good of just going out in the heat day after day after day. I don’t know that I’m right, but just having experienced … I’ve coached in Tallahassee FL, and it can’t be worse than that. But Texas was an awakening for me. It just doesn’t stop. I was coaching with the Giants one time and we held the ball for 99 plays, and someone told me that 12 Cowboy players were taken off the field. That really showed me what can happen in those situations..

What do you like about Proctor?

He will not quit. There is no quit in this kid. Weight lifting, meetings, practice. He is an intense, competitive guy. You will get his best. That’s what impresses me. Technically he’s doing good too. I will have a hard time letting him go from the roster, I’ll tell you that.

How come guys you’ve drafted higher don’t give you that?

I talk to my scouts all the time about this … Its my opinion that 90% of the OL that come in this league are developmental players, I don’t care where they are drafted. They just have to figure out how to do it. If you’re not smart, physically and mentally tough .. you really don’t have a chance to be very good. You got guys who have talent but you have to hit them with a bat to get them to use it. You have other guys who don’t have the talent but they give you everything. I really take my hat off to Joe Jurasczek, because he’s done a heck of a job here. When we started this a few years ago, I sat down with him and told him kind of what I wanted . I told him I don’t want to deviate from my core lifts, but I needed his expertise on the stuff on top of that because I’m not an expert. I learned from the Russians, that’s who taught me. We’re going to clean and squat. After that, you put your program together to enhance other things. We lift against a clock to learn stamina, that’s another Russian thing I learned years ago. I don’t want to go on about Proctor, but Proctor would get in the weight room at 7:30. If he did everything he was required to do, he should be done by 11:00. Cooled down, showered, everything. He was still there at 1:30. You just couldn’t get him out. Then that inspires Coach Joe, so he starts looking for other stuff to do. So they start working on individual stuff together.

Does Proctors status effect Peterman?

H, they all effect each other. He’s doing alright. I’ll play him some more this week, but this is a tight deal here.

Why hasn’t Pettiti taken his offseason to the field?

I don’t know .. we’ve been moving him around a little bit. After this game we’ll decide what we’re going to do here.

Is it by design to have guys as tall as Flozell?

If the tall players are good players, then its better. Ideally I like bigger players. But I’m not going to sacrifice …... We got big players on defense, but we can run … we’re not slow. Bigger players can be more physically dominant .. but we don’t have anyone as big as Flozell. He’s the biggest.

Would you expect Boiman to play this week?

I think he will. He’s a tough guy. He wants to get out there.

What do you want to do this preseason game.

Same as the first game, this one is about evaluation. After this its about getting the guys prepared.

McBriar.

I just want him to get more consistent. He’s a middle of the pack punter right now, but he has the potential to be much better than that. He could be in the top quarter. He’s got a real good leg. He has that drop kick thing that he does better than anybody. But every once in a while he has a game like the other night. He bobbles a perfect snap and is in a hurry to kick it so he shanks it. Then he kicks a pooch kick into the endzone.

Is it correctable?

He’s an intense player. Is it correctable? I wish I knew that. If you find someone who knows if they are, get in business with him.

Kickers?

We have a plan with Vanderjagt. I told him what I hope to accomplish with him and when to do it. He knows what they are.

Did you consult Sean Payton about taking the job in NO?

The questions my guys ask me are usually about the job itself. How have they told you the job will be structured? What is your role as HC? What do they expect from you? What are you responsible for exactly? Get that very clear. Will you be allowed to hire your own people? You shouldn’t take those things for granted. Unless they are contractually agreed to, they often aren’t that way once you get there. So I tell them “If I were an owner, this is what I would look for .. how do you present yourself?” You’re in the forefront of this organization now. You have to reflect that. There are certain ways you have to conduct yourself. You don’t really ever know when a guy is ready. Most of them aren’t ready. I wasn’t ready. I almost screwed it up. I got lucky, someone threw me a raft. I always tell them the same thing and they always come back to me and repeat it back to me … I tell them this HC isn’t all what its cracked up to be. You got problems that the media doesn’t know about. 5 to 6 times a day you see things you wish wouldn’t happen. If you can’t deal with it, do something else. But he’s energetic. Enthusiastic. Very energetic, I would say

Will you keep an eye on him?

Its human nature to hope things go well with him and I do. But they’re over there now. I’m trying to keep my own house from burning down.

Do you think Zimmer is close?

You never know. It’s the eyes of the beholder and what the owners want. Quite frankly there are more factors involved now .. they have “headhunter” guys who present guys to owners who haven’t been in the league long enough to know who the best candidates are. There are more politics involved in the jobs now. Most of the guys coaching in the league when you’ve been around as long as I have .. you know who the good coaches are. There might be a few young guys who are good that maybe I’m not familiar with because I’m a little bit outside the loop now … but when you play them a few times, you know who’s good and who is doing what.

Nate Jones?

Same as when he got here. Dependable, bright, versatile, good special teams player. Fights for his job every year, and every year its harder to let him go. You know he’ll give you 200 plays of special teams, he plays 2nd nickel, he can step in and finish a game at CB or even S. He’s not the most talented guy, but that’s what keeps him in the mix.

Why haven’t you used him as a kick returner?

I would like a little more juice.

Plan for Vanderjagt?

I think he will kick field goals this week. If he’s physically really ready to go I hope he’s ready to kick off next week when we get back to Dallas. That’s not in concrete but we’ve discussed it.

 
Failed physicals are now officially the NFL's version of a do-over.

Seriously, I can understand Lee Suggs... but Adams hasn't even been hurt! He's been practicing every day just fine. I think Parcells just got a look at how slow he was and decided to send him back.

Either that or he reads this board and I hurt his feelings with my suggestion that he got taken in this trade.

 
Failed physicals are now officially the NFL's version of a do-over.Seriously, I can understand Lee Suggs... but Adams hasn't even been hurt! He's been practicing every day just fine. I think Parcells just got a look at how slow he was and decided to send him back.Either that or he reads this board and I hurt his feelings with my suggestion that he got taken in this trade.
DAMN! My identity has been revealed... :ph34r: Later,BillP.S. Stop making me cry! :cry:
 
Failed physicals are now officially the NFL's version of a do-over.Seriously, I can understand Lee Suggs... but Adams hasn't even been hurt! He's been practicing every day just fine. I think Parcells just got a look at how slow he was and decided to send him back.Either that or he reads this board and I hurt his feelings with my suggestion that he got taken in this trade.
DAMN! My identity has been revealed... :ph34r: Later,BillP.S. Stop making me cry! :cry:
This is ridiculous. Failed physical... I agree, Suggs I can see- he's been banged up his whole career... but Adams... he probably failed his physical due to flat feet or something
 
Failed physicals are now officially the NFL's version of a do-over.Seriously, I can understand Lee Suggs... but Adams hasn't even been hurt! He's been practicing every day just fine. I think Parcells just got a look at how slow he was and decided to send him back.Either that or he reads this board and I hurt his feelings with my suggestion that he got taken in this trade.
DAMN! My identity has been revealed... :ph34r: Later,BillP.S. Stop making me cry! :cry:
Oh, hey, while you're here... start throwing more to Terry Glenn. Some fool picked Williamson over him in one of my leagues, and I want to grab Glenn to make that guy feel like an idiot. :)
 
Failed physicals are now officially the NFL's version of a do-over.Seriously, I can understand Lee Suggs... but Adams hasn't even been hurt! He's been practicing every day just fine. I think Parcells just got a look at how slow he was and decided to send him back.Either that or he reads this board and I hurt his feelings with my suggestion that he got taken in this trade.
DAMN! My identity has been revealed... :ph34r: Later,BillP.S. Stop making me cry! :cry:
This is ridiculous. Failed physical... I agree, Suggs I can see- he's been banged up his whole career... but Adams... he probably failed his physical due to flat feet or something
Ball cancer?
 
add these to the lists:In 2006 offseason:Antonio BryantNate BurlesonKeyshawn JohnsonBrandon LloydEric MouldsIn 2005 offseason:Mushin MuhammedPlaxico BurressDerrick MasonOk, maybe they aren't all "Studs", but they are all starter quality.
Of the "studs" you listed for 2006 here are their production for the past two seasons...Bryant 1921/8Burleson 1334/10Key 1820/12Lloyd 1298/11Moulds 1859/9.... which are ok #'s I guess. I don't think any of them are that much better than the 1854/8 that Lelie put up over that same two year span. So now is Lelie a "stud"???? Of course I also think it's pretty silly to call a WR a "stud" when his second best production has been a whopping 716 yards(that's forgetting the fact he's coming off a major knee injury). Somehow I doubt very much that the WR's that changed teams in 2005 effected what DEN did in the draft much. I could be wrong.
 

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