BROWNS 2008 THREAD: thanks for the memories. (1 Viewer)

[amnesiac]

 

[amnesiac]

for my first prediction, i want to address the QB situation.

my feeling is a deal for DA is going to get done, and Quinn will be the 08 starter.

the Browns will finish in the 9-7 / 10-6 range, and will narrowly make the playoffs winning a tiebreaker for the AFC North title.

the offense falls back to earth a bit, but the defense improves to a slightly above average unit.

and let's see... Josh Cribbs, already the kick and punt returner, as well as the leading special teams tackler, also gets on the field for a couple of trick plays and throws for a pair of touchdowns.

that should get things started.

 

[wadegarrett]

 

[The Man With No Name]

Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.

The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.

Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.

 

[MAC_32]

Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.

Last I heard a J Lew deal is likely to be completed before free agency begins, apparently the contract length barrier is being broken down as "reasonable" incentives will be added to the 3rd and 4th years of the deal, this will protect the Browns from a significant injury/decline but also will almost certainly assure J Lew of his payout if he stays effective and healthy.I won't project what we'll do in the draft until after free agency. I'd like to see some combo of Mike Doss, Bryant Johnson, Corey Williams, Calvin Pace, and Kawika Mitchell at least pursued come March...a Calvin Pace/Corey Williams combo would be ideal.All that and a draft day deal sending DA packing for a 1st and a 3rd (or a player).

 

[siawnhy]

for my first prediction, i want to address the QB situation.my feeling is a deal for DA is going to get done, and Quinn will be the 08 starter.

AgreedI keep having this feeling that DA will go to Miami for Jason Taylor and a 2nd... I can dream can't I?

 

[Jedeye]

Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.

If they can't resign Lewis to a cap-friendly deal (and aybe even if they can), I think a likely choice will be Musa Smith. The Browns have been going after Raven RBs for years now. Remember, they made an offer to Chester Taylor a few years back when he was a restricted free agent. Then they signed Lewis. Now that Musa is available, I think they may try to get him as well. I don't expect Musa to command alot of dollars in free agency, and I think he is a good fit for the Browns system.As for the rest of free agency and the draft, I fullly expect that they will concentrate on defense, defense, defense.

 

[Banger]

Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.

If they can't resign Lewis to a cap-friendly deal (and aybe even if they can), I think a likely choice will be Musa Smith. The Browns have been going after Raven RBs for years now. Remember, they made an offer to Chester Taylor a few years back when he was a restricted free agent. Then they signed Lewis. Now that Musa is available, I think they may try to get him as well. I don't expect Musa to command alot of dollars in free agency, and I think he is a good fit for the Browns system.As for the rest of free agency and the draft, I fullly expect that they will concentrate on defense, defense, defense.

If they can't work something out with Lewis (which I think they will since it makes sense for both parties), I think they should go after Foster, Rhodes, JJ, etc. before Musa. Musa can't stay healthy and when he does he's not that good. Lewis>>Taylor>>Musa.

 

[Bobcat10]

 

[amnesiac]

my feeling is that Jamal will resign in Cleveland, i don't see another team coming in to drive up the demand for him.

it sounds like Cleveland has a 2 year deal on the table, but his agents are trying to get him a 3 year deal. i don't remember where exactly i read it, but right after the season, Jamal basically made the comment that he wanted a long term deal from the Browns, but he'd even be willing to take it year by year if it came down to that.

there has also been some talk of making it a 3 year deal with the 3rd year basically an incentive-driven year.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

No schocker, we're looking at front seven defenders in the draft. From the official site go to the link for the full article, some highlights and one in particular that might be of interest.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8147

Browns eyeing front 7 prospects

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer

... The Browns are far from having one player picked out, but they have zeroed in on the defensive front seven.

And after a season of scouting the top prospects for the 2008 NFL Draft in a variety of different environments and two days of watching many of them work together at the Senior Bowl this week, they like the ones they'll be choosing from come April.

"Ideally, if you got to just go hand pick the players, yes, we'd like to get one of these front seven guys," Browns general manager Phil Savage said Tuesday. "But it's very early. If we get to the middle of the second round and there's a guy we really like at a different position, I don't know that we would pass him up.

"If they're all ranked about the same, though, then we'll try to do something with the front seven. There are some good players here that could end up being part of our plans."

... the Browns might end up liking a group of players they'd target in a possible trade scenario. After two days in Mobile, it looks like they could still get a good player -- like Maryland defensive tackle Dre Moore, USC defensive end Lawrence Jackson, Virginia Tech linebacker Xavier Adibi, Michigan linebacker Shawn Crable or UCLA defensive end/linebacker Bruce Davis -- if nothing happens and they stay at 53.

"I think the Senior Bowl traditionally has been a first to third round kind of game," Savage said. "If we're picking in the second round, there's a really good chance the player we're going to pick would come from this game. There are some interesting players that we're going to look at and keep looking at."

... there's a very good possibility they'll zero in on some players they're watching this week.

 

[Bobcat10]

This morning Savage said a deal is imminent with Lewis. He said we could even hear about it within 24hrs.

He also said he's meeting with DAs reps today at the combine.

 

[Bobcat10]

Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.

Last I heard a J Lew deal is likely to be completed before free agency begins, apparently the contract length barrier is being broken down as "reasonable" incentives will be added to the 3rd and 4th years of the deal, this will protect the Browns from a significant injury/decline but also will almost certainly assure J Lew of his payout if he stays effective and healthy.I won't project what we'll do in the draft until after free agency. I'd like to see some combo of Mike Doss, Bryant Johnson, Corey Williams, Calvin Pace, and Kawika Mitchell at least pursued come March...a Calvin Pace/Corey Williams combo would be ideal.All that and a draft day deal sending DA packing for a 1st and a 3rd (or a player).

I guess we can scratch Corey Williams off the list. He's been Ftagged.

 

[MAC_32]

I won't project what we'll do in the draft until after free agency. I'd like to see some combo of Mike Doss, Bryant Johnson, Corey Williams, Calvin Pace, and Kawika Mitchell at least pursued come March...a Calvin Pace/Corey Williams combo would be ideal.All that and a draft day deal sending DA packing for a 1st and a 3rd (or a player).

I guess we can scratch Corey Williams off the list. He's been Ftagged.

Yup, unfortunate too. I think that increases the likelihood of us snagging Calvin Pace though. My attention's being deverted to Randy Starks and Tommy Kelly now for DL help. Just going to need to look elsewhere for DL options.

 

[nxmehta]

Lots of good FA defenders are off the board now because of franchise tags. Haynesworth, Williams, Trufant, Asomugha, Suggs... the pickings are getting slimmer.

 

[Bobcat10]

Jamal is back.

Running back Jamal Lewis, Browns agree to multiyear deal

Feb. 21, 2008

CBSSports.com wire reports

CLEVELAND -- Running back Jamal Lewis has agreed with the Cleveland Browns on a multiyear contract.

The Associated Press has learned that Lewis will officially sign once the contract language has been completed.

Lewis was scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next week. But the Browns didn't want to risk losing him after he rushed for more than 1,300 yards last season. Cleveland went 10-6 and barely missed the playoffs.

AP NEWS

The Associated Press News Service

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10658599

 

[wadegarrett]

Jamal is back.

Running back Jamal Lewis, Browns agree to multiyear deal

Feb. 21, 2008

CBSSports.com wire reports

CLEVELAND -- Running back Jamal Lewis has agreed with the Cleveland Browns on a multiyear contract.

The Associated Press has learned that Lewis will officially sign once the contract language has been completed.

Lewis was scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next week. But the Browns didn't want to risk losing him after he rushed for more than 1,300 yards last season. Cleveland went 10-6 and barely missed the playoffs.

AP NEWS

The Associated Press News Service

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10658599

 

[amnesiac]

Jamal is back.

Running back Jamal Lewis, Browns agree to multiyear deal

Feb. 21, 2008

CBSSports.com wire reports

CLEVELAND -- Running back Jamal Lewis has agreed with the Cleveland Browns on a multiyear contract.

The Associated Press has learned that Lewis will officially sign once the contract language has been completed.

Lewis was scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next week. But the Browns didn't want to risk losing him after he rushed for more than 1,300 yards last season. Cleveland went 10-6 and barely missed the playoffs.

AP NEWS

The Associated Press News Service

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10658599

 

[MAC_32]

Has the terms to J Lew's deal been disclosed? I haven't found anything.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

I don't see how we improven the defense? No first round pick and very little on the free agent market could mean another long year for the D next year. That is kind of why I wouldn't mind trading DA if we could get alot for him (which I doubt).

 

[amnesiac]

I don't see how we improven the defense? No first round pick and very little on the free agent market could mean another long year for the D next year. That is kind of why I wouldn't mind trading DA if we could get alot for him (which I doubt).

you never know what Savage may find in the draft. last year he got Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald in the 2nd and 5th rounds.

 

[Fallerjw]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.

 

[Fallerjw]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I'd prefer Javon Walker over Bryant Johnson. Either way we need to get another WR. Plus, injuries are tough to predict so depth is always good.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I'd prefer Javon Walker over Bryant Johnson. Either way we need to get another WR. Plus, injuries are tough to predict so depth is always good.

It's not the player, it's the pricetag and the player expectations, J Walk > Johnson on the field. Problem is J Walk will demand an expensive contract whereas I think Johnson could be purchased relatively inexpensively. That, and J Walk has a history of being a bit of a distraction and thinks he's still a #1 in the league [not saying he can't be, but he wouldn't be "the guy" in Cleveland] whereas Johnson's used to being a #3. He wants to be at least a #2 and we can offer that opportunity, if not this year then next, in an explosive offense.

 

[PatrickT]

Posted in Falcons thread, interested in Browns fans take:

Combine rumor of a trade involving Quinn.

 

[MAC_32]

Posted in Falcons thread, interested in Browns fans take:

Combine rumor of a trade involving Quinn.

I can't fathom what it could be possibly be. The Falcons are trying to stock pile draft picks, not give them up, which is what they'd have to do in order to land Quinn. If they're able to deal Hall for the Giants' 1st rounder I could see the Browns doing the deal for -the 1st rounder acquired from New York + the Falcons' 2nd rounder

-the Falcons' #3 pick

-the 1st rounder acquired from the Giants + the Falcons' 2nd rounder in 09 + a 2nd day pick in 08

-both Falcons 2nd rounder's, including the one from Houston + a 2nd rounder in 09

Or something else along those lines. I may even be on the low-end of what the Browns would consider. There's a cap hit to consider as well so Quinn's likely valued greater than he was this time last year, he's also looked really good in practices.

I said from the beginning if we trade a QB this year it will be DA and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Posted in Falcons thread, interested in Browns fans take:

Combine rumor of a trade involving Quinn.

Here is the blurb:

Also, the quarterback that I had been talking about is not McNabb, I got that confirmed today. After doing some more talking, I’m thinking that it’s Brady Quinn. Again, there will be a QB traded, I’m just not 100% sure on who it will be. If I had to put money on it, then it’d be on Quinn.

Some will kree jerk a negative response to this news but I don't think its that far fetched to simply dismiss. The Falcons need a QB and this isn't the draft to get one. IMHO, Quinn > Matt Ryan and would come fantastically cheaper. He's already under contract which would mean no lengthy holdout that we've seen from, Lienart, Russell, and Quinn, that everyone has witnessed over the last two years. Atlanta got burned badly in the Schaub/Vick fiasco. They need a PR coupe and they need a QB who can play yesterday. Quinn is far more ready and prepared and has tons of upside. Atlanta could trade their top pick and save a bundle of cash for free agents and then dish DeAngelo for the G-Men's first rounder to offset the loss of thier top pick. The Browns would be positioned perfectly to fill a defensive hole which the free agency class unfortunately doesn't seem capable of fufilling. I don't put much stock in rumors but at least this makes sense on many levels.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I'd prefer Javon Walker over Bryant Johnson. Either way we need to get another WR. Plus, injuries are tough to predict so depth is always good.

It's not the player, it's the pricetag and the player expectations, J Walk > Johnson on the field. Problem is J Walk will demand an expensive contract whereas I think Johnson could be purchased relatively inexpensively. That, and J Walk has a history of being a bit of a distraction and thinks he's still a #1 in the league [not saying he can't be, but he wouldn't be "the guy" in Cleveland] whereas Johnson's used to being a #3. He wants to be at least a #2 and we can offer that opportunity, if not this year then next, in an explosive offense.

Javon Walker is a stud if he's healthy and got his head screwed on right. The Bucs are interested in him and have discussed what it would take to get him from the Broncos who have to make a move for him soon since he's due a large roster bonus which they aren't willing to pay. Its pretty obvious that anyone looking to deal for Javon holds leverage over the Broncos. Also Javon wants OUT of Denver. He was in the limo where Darrent Williams got shot right in front of him and died in his arms. It completely rattled Walker. He openly admitted that he did not feel safe in Denver and just being in that environment had to hurt him. He began last year healthy and blew up for two consecutive 100 yard receiving games before he got hurt. Brandon Marshall never did that with the Broncos and everyone seems to be in love with Marshall. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/bucs-talk-trade.html

February 21, 2008

Bucs talk trade with Broncos for Walker

The Bucs have had discussions with the Denver Broncos about trading for receiver Javon Walker.

The Broncos have made no secret of their desire to part ways with Walker, who is owed an option bonus of $5.4-million March 4. Walker said at the end of the of the season that he wanted to find a 'better fit,' elsewhere.

... Walker would give the Bucs a big target at 6-foot-3, 215 pounds that can work the middle of the field and make yards after the catch.

The Browns ARE IN NEED of a #2 WR since Joe J. is up there and has back issues and simply is better suited for a limited rather than full-time duty. We all know that Travis Wilson sucks and Cribbs isn't anywhere near close to being ready to play WR full-time let alone put up the sort of numbers that Javon is capable of. Bryant Johnson is brittle and has never done much in Zona. The Browns ARE'T hurting for cap room so their isn't any issue with paying for top caliber production. I think Denver would jump at a third round pick for him and its doubtful that the Browns would get anyone of value picking LATE in the third round who could compare with what Javon Walker could give them right off the bat.

I've followed Javon closely. He's a legit 6'3 and physical and 215. He began to breakout at the tail end of 2003 then blew up in 2004 and wanted to get paid in 2005. That is when the Ten Million Dollar Man, Brett Farve threw him under the bus as he was openly toying with the media on his ranch about whether or not he'd return. Walker DID NOT hold out but his pay impacted him on the field IMHO and he got hurt in the first quarter of the first game. He blew out his ACL and was bitter in how everyting turned out in GB. He landed in Denver in 06 where he tore it up with Jake Plummer but when the Broncos sat the vet and started the rookie Culter the entire offense took a nosedive. This guy is ready to explode IMHO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS TD

2002 GNB 15 23 319 1

2003 GNB 16 41 716 9

2004 GNB 16 89 1382 12

2005 GNB 1 4 27 0

2006 DEN 16 69 1084 8

2007 DEN 8 26 287 0

Then the Darrent Williams tradegy unfolded. This guy has measureables up the yang, boo-coo talent, and is vastly under rated, and I suspect he can be had for a song.

Also the argument that the Browns never ran three-wide sets is absurd. Their is damn good reason why no three-wide sets were run. We don't even have TWO good WRs let alone three. So with, KWII split wide, Braylon, and Javon, no one could cover us. It would be an incredible receiving unit and by having two stud WRs we'd be covered for possible injuries. Add in his height would make matchup nightmares for everyone we play.

Fantastic suggestion and one I pimped awhile back. I'd LOVE to see us make a play for Javon Walker if we can get him for a reasonable price but he went to FSU and the Bucs are showing interest. Wouldn't suprise me at all if he wanted to get back to Florida so although I'd love to see it I doubt it would happen.

 

[duece2626]

Browns | Team offers D. Anderson contract

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:12:31 -0800

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns offered QB Derek Anderson a three-year deal around the $18 million range. Anderson and the Browns have until Thursday, Feb. 28, to reach an agreement before Anderson becomes a restricted free agent.

 

[MAC_32]

I am of the opinion that no one will end up trading for J Walk and he'll be cut. He wants to be a #1 somewhere and I am sure some team out there will give him the opportunity. We do not offer that opportunity. He won't come to some place to be a #2, #3 if you include Winslow. Besides, defense is the area we need to address with our $, not offense. I do not want to make the same mistake the Rams did last offseason in trying to improve our strength rather than fixing our weakness.

 

[Gopher State]

I'm kind of intrigued by the possibility of adding Javon Walker if the price isn't too high. He would be a great addition on the other side of Braylon, with Winslow playing TE and JJ in the slot. The one thing we need on offense is a good WR2.

I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I'd prefer Javon Walker over Bryant Johnson. Either way we need to get another WR. Plus, injuries are tough to predict so depth is always good.

It's not the player, it's the pricetag and the player expectations, J Walk > Johnson on the field. Problem is J Walk will demand an expensive contract whereas I think Johnson could be purchased relatively inexpensively. That, and J Walk has a history of being a bit of a distraction and thinks he's still a #1 in the league [not saying he can't be, but he wouldn't be "the guy" in Cleveland] whereas Johnson's used to being a #3. He wants to be at least a #2 and we can offer that opportunity, if not this year then next, in an explosive offense.

Javon Walker is a stud if he's healthy and got his head screwed on right. The Bucs are interested in him and have discussed what it would take to get him from the Broncos who have to make a move for him soon since he's due a large roster bonus which they aren't willing to pay. Its pretty obvious that anyone looking to deal for Javon holds leverage over the Broncos. Also Javon wants OUT of Denver. He was in the limo where Darrent Williams got shot right in front of him and died in his arms. It completely rattled Walker. He openly admitted that he did not feel safe in Denver and just being in that environment had to hurt him. He began last year healthy and blew up for two consecutive 100 yard receiving games before he got hurt. Brandon Marshall never did that with the Broncos and everyone seems to be in love with Marshall. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/bucs-talk-trade.html

February 21, 2008

Bucs talk trade with Broncos for Walker

The Bucs have had discussions with the Denver Broncos about trading for receiver Javon Walker.

The Broncos have made no secret of their desire to part ways with Walker, who is owed an option bonus of $5.4-million March 4. Walker said at the end of the of the season that he wanted to find a 'better fit,' elsewhere.

... Walker would give the Bucs a big target at 6-foot-3, 215 pounds that can work the middle of the field and make yards after the catch.

The Browns ARE IN NEED of a #2 WR since Joe J. is up there and has back issues and simply is better suited for a limited rather than full-time duty. We all know that Travis Wilson sucks and Cribbs isn't anywhere near close to being ready to play WR full-time let alone put up the sort of numbers that Javon is capable of. Bryant Johnson is brittle and has never done much in Zona. The Browns ARE'T hurting for cap room so their isn't any issue with paying for top caliber production. I think Denver would jump at a third round pick for him and its doubtful that the Browns would get anyone of value picking LATE in the third round who could compare with what Javon Walker could give them right off the bat.

I've followed Javon closely. He's a legit 6'3 and physical and 215. He began to breakout at the tail end of 2003 then blew up in 2004 and wanted to get paid in 2005. That is when the Ten Million Dollar Man, Brett Farve threw him under the bus as he was openly toying with the media on his ranch about whether or not he'd return. Walker DID NOT hold out but his pay impacted him on the field IMHO and he got hurt in the first quarter of the first game. He blew out his ACL and was bitter in how everyting turned out in GB. He landed in Denver in 06 where he tore it up with Jake Plummer but when the Broncos sat the vet and started the rookie Culter the entire offense took a nosedive. This guy is ready to explode IMHO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS TD

2002 GNB 15 23 319 1

2003 GNB 16 41 716 9

2004 GNB 16 89 1382 12

2005 GNB 1 4 27 0

2006 DEN 16 69 1084 8

2007 DEN 8 26 287 0

Then the Darrent Williams tradegy unfolded. This guy has measureables up the yang, boo-coo talent, and is vastly under rated, and I suspect he can be had for a song.

Also the argument that the Browns never ran three-wide sets is absurd. Their is damn good reason why no three-wide sets were run. We don't even have TWO good WRs let alone three. So with, KWII split wide, Braylon, and Javon, no one could cover us. It would be an incredible receiving unit and by having two stud WRs we'd be covered for possible injuries. Add in his height would make matchup nightmares for everyone we play.

Fantastic suggestion and one I pimped awhile back. I'd LOVE to see us make a play for Javon Walker if we can get him for a reasonable price but he went to FSU and the Bucs are showing interest. Wouldn't suprise me at all if he wanted to get back to Florida so although I'd love to see it I doubt it would happen.

I agree a #2 WR would help the Browns, how about the Vikings sending Troy "da burner" Williamson and their 2008 second round draft pick to the Browns for Anderson? Williamson and Edwards are old buddies, Williamson is the burner the Browns need to open up their passing game more (if thats possible) and Williamson has stated he would like to play for the Browns.

 

[MAC_32]

I agree a #2 WR would help the Browns, how about the Vikings sending Troy "da burner" Williamson and their 2008 second round draft pick to the Browns for Anderson? Williamson and Edwards are old buddies, Williamson is the burner the Browns need to open up their passing game more (if thats possible) and Williamson has stated he would like to play for the Browns.

If the Browns made that move I would become a Ravens fan.

 

[Irish]

-- Browns & Winslow Begin Contract Talks --Sat Feb 23, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com#The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports Browns TE Kellen Winslow's agent Drew Rosenhaus said Saturday at the Combine that he met with Browns GM Phil Savage and salary cap specialist Trip MacCracken about re-negotiating Winslow's contract. He characterized the talks as "positive and ongoing.'' Asked if Winslow would be in camp on time, Rosenhaus said, "I'm just not going to get into anything further than that. I don't really get too detailed on contract negotiations. If I can help it I like to keep it between myself and the team.'' Rosenhaus said he also wanted to make it clear that Winslow's recent arthroscopic surgery on his oft-repaired right knee was elective. "He didn't have to do it,'' said Rosenhaus. "He just had some scar tissue removed. It will make him a better player. It wasn't necessary. That's why he was able to play in the Pro Bowl. So I don't think Kellen's health is a factor and we hope to get a deal done with the team." Winslow is signed for three more years at $4 million in 2008, $4.5 million in 2009 and $4.75 million in 2010.

-- Derek Anderson Contract Talks Update --Sat Feb 23, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com#The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports following a meeting with QB Derek Anderson's agents here Thursday night, Browns GM Phil Savage sounded a little less certain Friday that he can get Anderson signed before he becomes a restricted free agent next week. The Browns are offering a three-year deal worth about $18 million. Anderson's side is more interested in a six-year deal worth at least $68 million, but have also proposed a three-year deal with a substantially higher dollar value than the Browns offer. "I'd characterize our conversations as being positive," said Savage. "I'm of the optimistic side of things. They may say they're more pessimistic because any time you're working on something like this, people are going to be on opposite sides of the fence. But for the most part, we've made some progress. We have a week left until free agency begins. I know that people are considering that to be a hard deadline. [but] we can still put the tender on him and continue to talk if that's something they want to do. Our preference is to get it done before the free agency period begins. But at this point I'm not sure that's going to happen one way or the other. We've obviously got alternatives planned for a lot of different things that can happen between now and next week and once free agency begins next Friday."

-- Asante Samuel Wants 10 Years & $100 Million --Sat Feb 23, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com#The Boston Herald reports word from the combine last night was that CB Asante Samuel is looking for a 10-year, $100 million deal with $30 million guaranteed up front. That would be more than the megacontract CB Nate Clements (eight years, $80 million with $22 million up front) struck with the 49ers last year. What Samuel wants is something the Patriots are unlikely to match, especially if they commit to a long-term deal with free agent WR Randy Moss, whom they did not franchise. “He's got a knack for intercepting balls. That's the biggest thing he has going for him. That makes him one of the better players in the NFL,” Cleveland Browns coach and former Pats DC Romeo Crennel said of Samuel yesterday at the NFL combine. “He knows it. Everyone else knows it. We'll just see how it plays out.” Crennel admitted there was “a possibility” Cleveland would make Samuel an offer once the free agent gates open Friday. The Browns certainly have the cap room. So do the Jets, where HC Eric Mangini is coach. So do the Dolphins, who are rebuilding under Bill Parcells. So do the Falcons, who have former Patriots scouting director Thomas Dimitroff calling the shots.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

How Quinn rates with the QBs of this draft. Many criticised the Browns for getting Quinn last year but cudos to those who said the Browns wouldn't be able to get a QB in this draft as Quinn ranks right up there with the top rated QB of this draft class. Matt Ryan is seen as a guy who should go within the first five picks so if you consider the exchange ratio, last year's second round pick #36 plus this year's first round pick #22 its is clear the Browns got a bargain since no team in the top five would swap out for the 22nd and 36th picks in consecutive drafts.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/footb...0Q.html?sid=101

Drafting Quinn proves prophetic

Browns backup rates well against 2008 QB class

Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:18 AM

By James Walker

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

INDIANAPOLIS -- The scrutiny of this year's quarterback class might be compared to that of presidential hopefuls.

With the exception Boston College's Matt Ryan, no team is sold on the candidates.

Delaware's Joe Flacco, Michigan's Chad Henne, Louisville's Brian Brohm and Kentucky's Andre Woodson are at the head of a questionable 2008 quarterback class.

Such a group makes for dangerous waters many NFL teams have to tread this offseason. But with wise planning, the Cleveland Browns were able to avoid the storm.

Cleveland traded its 2008 first-round pick to the Dallas Cowboys last year and then took quarterback Brady Quinn with the No. 22 overall pick. Cleveland's scouting staff was not convinced that players such as Henne, Flacco, Brohm and Woodson would develop into elite prospects. Quinn was a more polished quarterback, the Browns reasoned, so it was worth moving up to draft the former Notre Dame and Dublin Coffman quarterback.

Now Cleveland has one of the best quarterback duos in the league, with Derek Anderson potentially as the starter and Quinn as a highly touted backup.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. declared the move to get Quinn "a stroke of genius."

"What Phil Savage did was a very accurate assessment," Kiper said. "There are a lot of second-round quarterbacks. There are a lot of third- and fourth-round quarterbacks this year. But there aren't a lot of first-round quarterbacks besides (Ryan). . . . So they already have Brady Quinn and they're ahead of the curve. He graded higher than those guys, so it was a great move."

Kiper says he had Quinn rated on par with Ryan -- a projected top-five pick -- and significantly higher than the rest of the 2008 quarterback class.

It's possible Quinn could play regularly this season. He played briefly in the season finale against the San Francisco 49ers and completed 3 of 8 passes for 45 yards.

The Browns are in contract negotiations with Anderson, who recently turned down a three-year deal worth $16 million, with $11 million guaranteed. Anderson's representatives are seeking a deal in the six-year range, and the Browns appear steadfast on keeping the length at three years.

If the sides cannot come to terms by next week, Cleveland will offer Anderson the highest tender. Any other team would have to give Cleveland first- and third-round draft picks to sign Anderson, and the Browns also would have the right to match any offer.

The move to get Quinn gave the Browns a fall-back in case Anderson is not retained. Yesterday at the NFL combine, Browns general manager Phil Savage said he was happy with his team's quarterback situation.

"We feel good about it," Savage said. "I'd rather be standing up here with two quarterbacks than one or none. It's one of the more unique circumstances any team in the league has right now, and it's going to take some work, some manipulation and some wisdom to work through it, but time has a way of working things out."

Savage said he grades Quinn equal with Ryan. That means the Browns, as they did a year ago, still believe Quinn is a significantly better prospect than the rest of quarterbacks in this year's draft.

Most NFL teams agree. The difference is that Cleveland saw it a year ahead of time.

Of course, no one will know for sure until this year's quarterbacks reach the field.

"They can say whatever they want. It's going to be up to us," Flacco said of the 2008 quarterback class. "Once we get into the league, we'll have a chance to play and prove them wrong."

 

[MAC_32]

Romeo, please please PLEASE do not go after Samuel. Our problems are in the front 7, not the back 4.

 

[pmcdade]

Its fun to talk about offense and fantasize about J. Walker and other things that would have Fantasy Football relevance... but lets face it. The only priority of this off-season should be Defense - especially at the D-Line positions.

Assuming we draft at our current spot, does anyone see a DL player (especially nose tackle type) who might have the potential to make an impact?

 

[Bobcat10]

What's the thought here on Justin Smith in our 3-4 system? Would he fit in do you think? I've heard the Browns are one of three teams that are going to go after him quickly. What would that give us...Smith, Smith & Smith on the DLine? lol

 

[amnesiac]

What's the thought here on Justin Smith in our 3-4 system? Would he fit in do you think? I've heard the Browns are one of three teams that are going to go after him quickly. What would that give us...Smith, Smith & Smith on the DLine? lol

sounds like one of those law firms with no anti-nepotim clause. "hello, thank you for calling Smith, Smith & Smith""uh, is Smith in?""no, can i take a message?"and, unfortunately, i have no idea if Justin Smith fits the 3-4 or not.

 

[wadegarrett]

What's the thought here on Justin Smith in our 3-4 system? Would he fit in do you think? I've heard the Browns are one of three teams that are going to go after him quickly. What would that give us...Smith, Smith & Smith on the DLine? lol

would certainly make it easier on the PA announcernot sure how he'd fit in...has he had injury issues?

 

[wadegarrett]

At least one (maybe two or three) of these DL have to be on the Browns radar...

From ESPN's FA list:

DE - Justin Smith (Cincinnati), Mike Rucker (Carolina), Bobby McCray (Jacksonville), Chris Canty (Dallas), Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom (Tennessee)

DT - Jovan Haye (Buccaneers), Anthony Maddox (Houston), Darrell Reid and Dan Klecko (Indianapolis), Langston Moore (Detroit), Tim Anderson (Atlanta), Kindal Moorehead (Carolina), Ethan Kelley (Cleveland), Grady Jackson (Jacksonville), Spencer Johnson (Minnesota), Tommy Kelly (Oakland), Ellis Wyms (Seattle) and Randy Starks (Tennessee)

 

[Peak]

ClevelandBrowns.com: Team Notes

Found this one pretty interesting. Glad to hear Bentley is still in the plans!! Hopefully he comes back and can actually participate, unlike Baxter.

Notes: Winslow, Bentley, others

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer

02.23.2008

INDIANAPOLIS - Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis are getting all the headlines, but Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage provided updates on other players during their press conferences at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Among them...

**Crennel said Kellen Winslow had his right knee scoped following the Pro Bowl two weeks ago and is doing well. Crennel said he saw Winslow in Berea earlier this week and said Winslow was feeling good and rehabbing.

He said Winslow hasn't decided if he'll have surgery on his right shoulder.

"He feels pretty good about (the shoulder) and might let it go," Crennel said.

**Crennel had previously announced that Joe Jurevicius, Antwan Peek, David McMillan and Ethan Kelley had postseason knee surgeries, and that Isaac Sowells had shoulder surgery. Kelley is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent next week, as are Chaun Thompson, Seth McKinney, Nick Sorensen and Gary Baxter. Like Anderson, Daven Holly and Simon Fraser can become restricted free agents.

**Savage said he'll talk more about the Browns' free agents on Thursday, the day before the free agency period begins.

**Savage said the Browns have had discussions with Thompson about returning to the team, but he expects Thompson to at least test the market before making a final decision.

"He probably feels it's at least worth it to maybe check and see if there are some teams out there that have more interest in him than being a backup and special teams player," Savage said.

**Crennel said he expects LeCharles Bentley to be a part of the team's offseason program that begins in late March.

CLARIFICATION - The Browns currently hold the 56th overall pick in April's draft. It was previously reported they would pick 53rd.

 

[The Man With No Name]

At least one (maybe two or three) of these DL have to be on the Browns radar...From ESPN's FA listE - Justin Smith (Cincinnati), Mike Rucker (Carolina), Bobby McCray (Jacksonville), Chris Canty (Dallas), Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom (Tennessee)DT - Jovan Haye (Buccaneers), Anthony Maddox (Houston), Darrell Reid and Dan Klecko (Indianapolis), Langston Moore (Detroit), Tim Anderson (Atlanta), Kindal Moorehead (Carolina), Ethan Kelley (Cleveland), Grady Jackson (Jacksonville), Spencer Johnson (Minnesota), Tommy Kelly (Oakland), Ellis Wyms (Seattle) and Randy Starks (Tennessee)

They wouldn't go after Laboy unless they plan on moving him to outside linebacker. He is only 260 lbs, which is too light for a 3-4 DE.

 

[MAC_32]

Justin Smith would be an awful fit in our 3-4, at 275 he'd get crushed as an end. I'd love a Calvin Pace/Randy Starks/Tommy Kelly free agency.

EDIT: Al Davis' ######## just screwed up my Kelly plans, there are several other decent options available. Pace + Starks still look great

 

[Bobcat10]

Justin Smith would be an awful fit in our 3-4, at 275 he'd get crushed as an end.

This was my initial thought when I heard this on the radio a couple days ago. He is 6'4 I believe, but like you said 275lbs.

 

[wadegarrett]

Why losing Derek Anderson is not such a bad thing

by Tony Grossi

Cleveland.com

Thursday February 28, 2008

Phil Savage believes that if Derek Anderson does not accept the Browns' three-year contract offer by midnight tonight, he will sign with another team in free agency.

The Browns' general manager believes that Anderson and his agents must have a suitor hiding in the weeds for them to decline the club's offer of $10 million guaranteed.

If Savage is correct, then the Browns would maximize this situation to the fullest extent. They would have executed the perfect exit strategy from a situation that has quarterback controversy written all over it.

They would have collected first- and third-round draft picks and handed the offensive reins to Brady Quinn. That, in my opinion, is better than having Anderson and Quinn return next year to "compete" for the starting job.

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Incredible.

Of course, such a mega-deal would be the best thing for Anderson. And it would be the best thing for the Browns, too.

 

[amnesiac]

Why losing Derek Anderson is not such a bad thing

by Tony Grossi

Cleveland.com

Thursday February 28, 2008

Phil Savage believes that if Derek Anderson does not accept the Browns' three-year contract offer by midnight tonight, he will sign with another team in free agency.

The Browns' general manager believes that Anderson and his agents must have a suitor hiding in the weeds for them to decline the club's offer of $10 million guaranteed.

If Savage is correct, then the Browns would maximize this situation to the fullest extent. They would have executed the perfect exit strategy from a situation that has quarterback controversy written all over it.

They would have collected first- and third-round draft picks and handed the offensive reins to Brady Quinn. That, in my opinion, is better than having Anderson and Quinn return next year to "compete" for the starting job.

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Incredible.

Of course, such a mega-deal would be the best thing for Anderson. And it would be the best thing for the Browns, too.

lot of speculation here.but if so, i agree with the rest of the analysis.

course, they'll need a real backup QB.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Some timely Q&A by Browns' GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full questions and answers as some have been snippet.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732945.html

BEREA - In Phil Savage’s address with the local media, he answered several questions leading up to free agency and the NFL Draft.

Q: Will the Browns be as aggressive this year in free agency as they have the past two years?

Savage: “Maybe, we’ll find out a little later this evening. The last two years we’ve been very aggressive right out of the gate. I think this year we might be more visit oriented. We’ll see if it’s a fit and go from there. I don’t know if we’ll go out and strike as we have in the past.”

Q: With that being said, do you feel the Browns will be big players in free agency?

Savage: “Over the next four or five days will probably dictate the off season in how we go in the draft. If we miss out on some defensive players we’d like to get. It’s probably the most anxious day of the year, because it’s almost like recruiting because you don’t know how it’s going to go.”

Q: Are you optimistic of landing some free agents, particularly on defense?

Savage: “We feel pretty good for some of the players we have targeted. It’s not as tough of a sales job as it was a few years ago. In free agency, for our purposes, we have players we’d like to get our hands on. We run a defense that they would fit into. I think this is going to be an attractive place for defensive players, because they can make an impact here.”

Q: Do you anticipate free agency clearing what direction the Browns might head in the draft?

Savage: “Over the next four to six days, the picture for the draft will be clearer.”

Q: Would their be less sense of urgency to get a first-round pick this year if you receive one for losing Anderson?

Savage: “We would probably be satisfied with the first round pick (if Anderson signs with another team).”

Q: Where do you anticipate Shaun Smith will play next season?

Savage: “Our anticipation is that Shaun will be on the nose, depending how (the off-season) pans out.”

Q: Right now you have just Robaire Smith and Shaun Smith on the defensive line, does that concern you?

Savage: “I was going to announce that we’re going to a 2-5 defense. No, if we had to play Sunday, I’d be concerned.”

Good point by Savage in any defensive free agent would see that Cleveland is a great place to make an impact meaning that they can post some huge stats which would be a solid career move for any defender.

 

[duece2626]

Corey Williams traded to Browns for what's rumored to be a 2nd.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Packers will trade defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Browns at some point after midnight.

Presumably, Williams will sign his one-year franchise tender and then sign a long-term deal, which will be traded to the Browns.

There's no word on what the Packers will get in return.

 

[wadegarrett]

LaBoy to visit Browns on Friday

by Tony Grossi

Friday February 29, 2008, 12:49 AM

Tennessee defensive end Travis LaBoy is expected to be the first free agent to visit the Browns today, according to an NFL source.

LaBoy, 6-3 and 260 pounds, would project as an edge pass rusher/linebacker in the Browns' 3-4 scheme.

LaBoy was drafted in the second round in 2004 by Tennessee. He had 19.5 sacks in four years.