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Browns | Anderson to open season as starter (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Good bluff.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm sure there is nothing etched in stone at this point. I wouldn't read this as he is definitely staying in town.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Then why make the statement?
No kidding. I guess this means you better offer the Browns something significant if you want him since he is the "starter".
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
How often do teams announce their September starters in January?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
To try to increase his trade value. If they said Quinn was the starter, teams would offer less because they could argue that Anderson was a backup. It also answers many fan questions as to who they thing would be the starter if Anderson and Quinn were still both on the team. I agree that at this stage it really doesn't make a lot of sense to say much of anything, though.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Del Rio named Leftwich the starter about this time last year too.
"Yeah, he's it," Del Rio said late Thursday afternoon. "There isn't going to be any kind of open competition in training camp. Byron will go to camp No. 1 and we expect him to be the starter. As an organization, we've evaluated it from every angle and we feel that it's the best thing for us."
"Yeah, he's it," Del Rio said late Thursday afternoon. "There isn't going to be any kind of open competition in training camp. Byron will go to camp No. 1 and we expect him to be the starter. As an organization, we've evaluated it from every angle and we feel that it's the best thing for us."
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Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Frye started the first game last year.
nxmehta
Footballguy
This pretty much sums it up. Don't believe a word this lady writes. Any Browns fan could tell you that.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
7, Byron Leftwich, QB, Jacksonville Jaguars Height: 6-5 Weight: 242 Experience: 5 yearsDel Rio named Leftwich the starter about this time last year too.
"Yeah, he's it," Del Rio said late Thursday afternoon. "There isn't going to be any kind of open competition in training camp. Byron will go to camp No. 1 and we expect him to be the starter. As an organization, we've evaluated it from every angle and we feel that it's the best thing for us."
Born: 1/14/1980 Birthplace: Washington, DC College: Marshall
Career Passing Stats
Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2003 JAC 15 239 418 57.2 2819 6.7 14 84 16 73.0
2004 JAC 14 267 441 60.5 2941 6.7 15 65 10 82.2
2005 JAC 11 175 302 57.9 2123 7.0 15 45 5 89.3
2006 JAC 6 108 183 59.0 1159 6.3 7 51 5 79.0
2007 ATL 3 32 58 55.2 279 4.8 1 23 2 59.5
Career 49 821 1402 58.6 9321 6.6 52 84 38 79.7
#3 Derek Anderson | QB
Full Name: Derek Matthew Anderson
Born: June 15, 1983
Portland, OR
Height: 6-6
Weight: 229 lbs. Age: 24
Pos: QB
Experience: 3 years
College: Oregon State
Passing
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2007 298 527 3787 56.5 7.19 78 29 19 14 82.5
First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I'm sure its to motivate tatum bell.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
For the most part, that whole sports section is bafoonery......Livy, Shaw, Cabot, Hoynes, Branson...Grossi to a slightly lessor extent imo. Yet I still get the PD 4 times a week (mostly for Sunday and the wife). At least now we get alot of Pluto, great haul there a few months back. If only they could have brought in Brian Widhurst to cover the Cavs (while at the same time expanding his horizons) with Pluto still covering everything......people with real insight and thoughtful analysis.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Anderson deserves it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The actual quote in context.http://cle.scout.com/2/718419.html
Q: Is Anderson the starter next season as you see it?:
Savage : It’s hard to predict the future, You never know what could happen with injuries and how that will play out. Based on what Derek did this year, I think our coach and everyone in our building everyone thinks he deserves to be in the batters box and swing for the fences next year
That isn't what I would call an etched in stone declarative statement but a qualified statement couched in a cradle of warm milktoaste. I wouldn't get too excited over Mary K's assessment of the above statement to mean if Brady Quinn blows DA out of the water next camp and preaseason that he wouldn't have a shot to start.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good. Good for me to poop on.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Does he? He really didn't light the world on fire.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn’s progress?: Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you’re looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good. Good for me to poop on.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn’s progress?: Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you’re looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good. Good for me to poop on.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Fine. How about this article excerpt from Jan 1 2008?First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
Few players in the NFL are completely off limits. Doesn't sound like Romeo is completely wed to the idea of Anderson as his starting QB next year. They aren't compelled to act right now because of Anderson's salary or a divided locker room, which is what Andy was getting at with the Leftwich comment.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I knew this was coming
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
OK..here is the Vick/Young answer.....he wins. Took a 4-12 team and led them to a 10-6 record.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Guess those "Del Rio is a genius for having the balls to make Garrard the starter" comments are a tad overboard.Del Rio named Leftwich the starter about this time last year too.
"Yeah, he's it," Del Rio said late Thursday afternoon. "There isn't going to be any kind of open competition in training camp. Byron will go to camp No. 1 and we expect him to be the starter. As an organization, we've evaluated it from every angle and we feel that it's the best thing for us."
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
As a Braylon Edwards dynasty owner, I personally hope Anderson remains at QB for at least one more year ...
Ni
Ni
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I think the Browns would be foolish to get rid of Anderson...unless of course someone came in and blew their doors off with an offer. But generally speaking, I would expect to see Anderson in Orange and Brown. (Yuck)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn’s progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you’re looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you’d have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I didn't compare Anderson to Leftwich talentwise. I just said that coaches/GMs declaring their starting QB in January is meaningless.And I never, ever said anything about Tarvaris Jackson.You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn’s progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you’re looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you’d have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Forget it. I'm content to allow you to think you know it all.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They do if they earn the right. DA earned the right to be named starter and its because he had 1st Pro Bowl alternate production in his first year starting. The Browns GM stated the facts and you did try to use poor examples or other GMs using false bravado with bad QBs in tenuous starting positions as examples and I took my jab at Tavius Jackson for obvious reasons so you could get a dose of your own medicine. I'm sick of the DA jabs with people with various agendas so if you feel you have a legit case then make one and don't cherry pick or scoff. DA earned the right to be named starter based on his production.I didn't compare Anderson to Leftwich talentwise. I just said that coaches/GMs declaring their starting QB in January is meaningless.And I never, ever said anything about Tarvaris Jackson.You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn’s progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you’re looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you’d have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Forget it. I'm content to allow you to think you know it all.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Get over yourself.I like Derek Anderson and I agree that he's earned the right to fight for a starting gig somewhere - just like every QB in the league not named Brady or Manning has to. But the Browns owe him, or any other player for that matter, absolutely nothing. It's Savage's job to make the team as good as it can be both in the short term AND the long term. And if that means trading Anderson because Quinn can do the job and it improves the team in other areas, then he will do it. If it means keeping Anderson, he will do it.
The fact is, however that Anderson had a QB rating of 66.6 in December which was down from a respectable 81.5 in November, which was down from an outrageous 104.2 in October. For those of you scoring at home, that's a bad trend and suggests the possibility that as teams gained film study on him that he really was just an average QB.
Stop with the Anderson man-crush for just one second and understand what I'm saying. Savage saying that Anderson is the starter at this point in the year is designed for one reason - to drive up the value to see who may bite with an outrageous offer. I'm sure he saw how San Diego was left holding an empty bag when Drew Brees left and he doesn't want to make the same mistake.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Get over your personal attacks Andy and limit your response to the topic.DA was/is on the table, no one disputes that. The cost is a top five pick according to Savage and he said he's trying to resign him to prevent him from being exposed to getting snatched away.
Good numbers, here is the context. Games in December. Rain and sleet of New York he won and had better numbers than the NYJ QB. In the Blizzard of Cleveland where he won and posted better numbers than the Buffalo QB. In the 35 mph headwinds with gusts up to 50 mph in Cincinatti where he lost and where his QB numbers took their big tumble. That is his one bad game. One out of fifteen. Lets look at that game since everyone's agrument against DA is heavily based on that one game.
4 INTs in 48 pass attempts. Carson Palmer threw 2 INTs in 21 pass attempts. Guess which QB threw more INTs per pass attempt in 35 mph winds? DA threw ALL of his INTs on first down. Carson Palmer's starting RB was OUT. His backup RB went down with an injury. Carson Palmer had his third string RB attempt 33 rushes. DA had his first string RB coming off of a 166 yard rushing game only attempt 29 rushes and on first down his OC was calling pass plays into a head wind that saw both QBs seriously struggle. Context shows DA didn't have nearly as bad of a game as his OC Rob Chudzinski did on that day when his counterpart in Nati knew enough to run the football on first down instead of attempting ill-fated passes. Set a QB to succeed not to fail and the context of conditions cannot be overlooked.
Last game against SF he injured his finger and was sent to the lockerroo for X-rays. He still had better stats than the SF QB and won the game.
And as far as driving up the cost, its patently obvious why some fans want to drive down the cost of DA since they think they can get him on the cheap in a QB starved league with a poor QB crop due to enter in April. Coming from a fan who has Tavarius Jackson as their starting QB your agenda is transparent.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You're the one that turned it personal Bracie, and I'm done with this discussion or any other involving you. Bye.
saintfool
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Fallerjw
Footballguy
Bracie, you have completely lost your mind. Andy shows that last year before the season Del Rio said that his starter was Leftwich, but when the season came around Leftwich was not the starter. That was done to show that there is a lot of time between now and season, and in that time a lot of things can change.They do if they earn the right. DA earned the right to be named starter and its because he had 1st Pro Bowl alternate production in his first year starting. The Browns GM stated the facts and you did try to use poor examples or other GMs using false bravado with bad QBs in tenuous starting positions as examples and I took my jab at Tavius Jackson for obvious reasons so you could get a dose of your own medicine. I'm sick of the DA jabs with people with various agendas so if you feel you have a legit case then make one and don't cherry pick or scoff. DA earned the right to be named starter based on his production.I didn't compare Anderson to Leftwich talentwise. I just said that coaches/GMs declaring their starting QB in January is meaningless.And I never, ever said anything about Tarvaris Jackson.You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn's progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you're looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you'd have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Forget it. I'm content to allow you to think you know it all.
Please stop your ranting.
nxmehta
Footballguy
You're drinking the kool-aid man, DA's just not that good. You're blaming the Bengals loss on Chudzinski? Did you even watch that game? Every single INT DA threw was either into heavy coverage or was just completely off the mark. No matter if the play is called as a pass, you just don't miss those kind of throws. His combined stats in his last 8 games speak volumes. If we could get a 1st and a 3rd from him you know Savage would take that to the bank. He's just blowing smoke for now with this extension talk. I'll believe it when I see the contract.Bracie Smathers said:
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
Derek Anderson effectively one up'd Tony Romo from a year ago(with far less talent). in essentially Derek's rookie year he took a doormat to 10wins and was a pro bowl alternate. i know the Browns fans wanted Brady Quinn at the Draft, but i think they'd be in even more of a uproar if they dealt there rags to riches/savior 1year in. i think Derek is better than Jon Kitna and Quinn is no Carson Palmer. so there shouldn't be as much a rush to get Quinn(Palmer) in there.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Anderson is not perfect by any means, but people saying he is a one year wonder or an average QB are fooling themselves. Anderson is not having a Collins type of year where he comes on at the ripe old age of 37 and puts together an amazing year. The kid is 24 years old. He did have some bad games down the road but how many 24 year old QB's don't?
Anderson threw for 29 TD's this year which is not easy to do. There was 4 QB's to do that this season Brady, Manning, and Big Ben.
In 2006 there was 1 QB to do that Manning.
In 2005 there was 1 QB to do it that Palmer.
Anderson just didin't have an ok year. He had a pro bowl type season at the ripe old age of 24. I think people are really underestimating how good he really was this season.
Anderson threw for 29 TD's this year which is not easy to do. There was 4 QB's to do that this season Brady, Manning, and Big Ben.
In 2006 there was 1 QB to do that Manning.
In 2005 there was 1 QB to do it that Palmer.
Anderson just didin't have an ok year. He had a pro bowl type season at the ripe old age of 24. I think people are really underestimating how good he really was this season.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Fallerjw said:Bracie, you have completely lost your mind. Andy shows that last year before the season Del Rio said that his starter was Leftwich, but when the season came around Leftwich was not the starter. That was done to show that there is a lot of time between now and season, and in that time a lot of things can change.Bracie Smathers said:They do if they earn the right. DA earned the right to be named starter and its because he had 1st Pro Bowl alternate production in his first year starting. The Browns GM stated the facts and you did try to use poor examples or other GMs using false bravado with bad QBs in tenuous starting positions as examples and I took my jab at Tavius Jackson for obvious reasons so you could get a dose of your own medicine. I'm sick of the DA jabs with people with various agendas so if you feel you have a legit case then make one and don't cherry pick or scoff. DA earned the right to be named starter based on his production.Andy Dufresne said:I didn't compare Anderson to Leftwich talentwise. I just said that coaches/GMs declaring their starting QB in January is meaningless.And I never, ever said anything about Tarvaris Jackson.Bracie Smathers said:You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn's progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you're looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you'd have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Forget it. I'm content to allow you to think you know it all.
Please stop your ranting.
Although he's not on ignore yet, I can't get by a few sentences in most of his posts. Unfortunate.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Now, I know that it would be a gamble but if Anderson shows that last year was no fluke and that he is a pro bowl type QB in this leauge then he is definitely worth a top 5-10 rookie pick. So if you were a team and had a top rookie pick and were in desperate need of a QB than is it that big of a gamble to make the move??? I mean top rookie picks are by no means locks to be pro bowl type players. Now at this stage it might look stupid, but not if Anderson proves that last year was no fluke. I would also like to reiterate the kid is 24 years old.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If I'm the Falcons, though, I may really consider giving both of my 2nds (the 2.3/4/5 and 2.17) for him.
amnesiac
beer is good
which would equal around the 1.17, and Savage has said he has approximately 15 elite players on his board.If I'm the Falcons, though, I may really consider giving both of my 2nds (the 2.3/4/5 and 2.17) for him.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Did you read what Savage said or what you think he said?http://cle.scout.com/2/718419.htmlBracie, you have completely lost your mind. Andy shows that last year before the season Del Rio said that his starter was Leftwich, but when the season came around Leftwich was not the starter. That was done to show that there is a lot of time between now and season, and in that time a lot of things can change.They do if they earn the right. DA earned the right to be named starter and its because he had 1st Pro Bowl alternate production in his first year starting. The Browns GM stated the facts and you did try to use poor examples or other GMs using false bravado with bad QBs in tenuous starting positions as examples and I took my jab at Tavius Jackson for obvious reasons so you could get a dose of your own medicine. I'm sick of the DA jabs with people with various agendas so if you feel you have a legit case then make one and don't cherry pick or scoff. DA earned the right to be named starter based on his production.I didn't compare Anderson to Leftwich talentwise. I just said that coaches/GMs declaring their starting QB in January is meaningless.And I never, ever said anything about Tarvaris Jackson.You don't get it? Then don't whine about my response length. Take a gander at what Savage would take as compensation for DA to clue you in on how Savage values DA. Q: What would be the most important factor if Anderson tests the market regarding matching the offer, where the team drafts and the amount of the contract?:And?How many plays did they have on Frye versus Anderson at the beginning of the year?Brevity.Q: Are you happy with Quinn's progress?:Once again in your rush to type as much as humanly possible, Bracie, you've missed the point.I'm not saying that Leftwich and Anderson are equally talented.First year starting and DA threw for more TD passes in a single season than Bernie Kosar ever did. Oh and your Lefty comparison? That is really good.
Good for me to poop on.
I'm saying that naming your starting QB in January is about as meaningless as it gets.
Savage: One thing we know about Brady is that he has a lot of leadership qualities. He has a lot of qualities that you're looking for in a quarterback. You only have 10 plays of him on tape, as opposed to 1,011 on Anderson.
Savage: Probably both. The place in the draft and the amount, is it a top five pick, you'd have to look into it. Our goal is to get him out of that scenario.
Last year only Peyton Manning threw for more TD passes than DA did this season. You would say how idiotic to use Peyton Manning as a comparison to DA yet you used Leftwitch and Frye comparisons. Don't cherry pick extreme examples to taint objective production. Use actual production and DA has 1,001 more PRODUCTIVE plays over BQ to judge his worth.
The Browns finished 32nd and 31st in scoring in 05/06 seasons. Last year they finished 8th. The Browns won 6 then 4 games in 05/06 but won ten games last year. Along comes a 24 year old 6'6 230lb strong armed QB who emerged winning 10 games in 15 starts garnering 1st alternate Pro Bowl honors. 1,000 more plays to evaluate than his back up, GM says he earned the right to start yet you scoff.
Explain yourself.
You complained about how I respond so don't cherry pick extreme bad Leftwitch/Frye or TAVARIUS JACKSON QB examples attempting to devalue DA's worth. Savage told the truth, DA earned the right to start next year and the only offer he'd consider to part with him is a top five pick. If you doubt that then reply more than a lame smiley or with a question, actually explain your reasoning.
Forget it. I'm content to allow you to think you know it all.
Please stop your ranting.
Q: Is Anderson the starter next season as you see it?:
Savage : It’s hard to predict the future, You never know what could happen with injuries and how that will play out. Based on what Derek did this year, I think our coach and everyone in our building everyone thinks he deserves to be in the batters box and swing for the fences next year
The Leftwitch/Garrard situation doesn't compare to DA/Quinn. Leftwitch never touched DA's numbers, injured, Jags invested a high pick, guy behind him was more productive/healthy and produced when he had his shot. 7 times DA took the field in Cleveland as starter and 7 times he won, no other Cleveland QB did that ever. 1,011 productive first Pro Bowl alternate plays VS. 10 offensive plays for BQ.
Savage said DA earned the right to start next year and that is ALL that Savage stated. He didn't name him the starter and even qualified his statement by saying anything could happen.
Andy scoffs at Phil Savage. I'll side with Savage, YMMV.
Per nxmehta:
Tom Brady never threw for more TDs than DA did in 15 starts in his career till he got Moss/Welker/Stallworth this past season. Never threw more than 28 TDs in any of his Super Bowl or any other season. Derrick Anderson is better than you think.I didn't blame the loss on Chud. I said he had a bad game calling plays. He did. After we went for and didn't convert on fourth down early in that game Chud turtled the running game and went to calling passes on first down. Every INT DA threw was on first down. A running down for most teams and in 35mph winds and with a hot RB like Jamal Lewis Chud should have gone with the run more instead of setting DA to fail which is exactly what Chud did. He called a bad game and that happens. DA didn't execute but when Carson Palmer throws more INTs per attempt in the same bad passing conditions and his OC realizes that the conditions mean he should run the ball even with his third string RB and our OC doesn't then he is open to reasonable criticism for calling a bad game. If you think Chud can't do any wrong or that he shouldn't consider the conditions or that he did not turtle on the running game then I don't agree with you.
As far as Savage blowing smoke, that is reasonable to speculate but consider this. If we sign DA to a long term contract then it would be easier to trade him. If we leave him exposed without signing him to a long term deal then a team with a low first round pick could steal him. He is worth more than a late first round draft pick. That is the MAJOR POINT that Savage is making.
He won't allow DA to part for a low first round draft pick. Savage has done his research. His track record and widely publicized work load shows that he knows the prospects of this draft better than most NFL GM's. He must like prospects in the top five and knows the value of DA. I agree with Savage on the value of DA and trust his assesment of the prospects of the draft. He might take less than a top five pick if one of those prospects that he likes falls but he's not panicking or in fire sale mode and won't accept a low first round pick for DA.
