Browns RB situation (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

I, like most at this point, am refining and locking in on the players I want to target and avoid but one group that I've read/heard little to nothing about is the Clev RB situation. I know it's not the sexiest situations but nonetheless there will be a starting RB there and Harrison obviously closed the season well.

So anyone that has followed the situation.... How is the Harrison/Hardesty battle going? I've heard nearly nothing on Hardesty, is he still hurt? How have the backs looked? What are the coaches saying? I know they invested a bit on the line, how does that look as a run blocking unit?

Sometimes you can snag an under the radar guy late as everyone else is looking at other situations and maybe this is that 4th/5th RB that can offer some value.

 

[Blackjacks]

I, like most at this point, am refining and locking in on the players I want to target and avoid but one group that I've read/heard little to nothing about is the Clev RB situation. I know it's not the sexiest situations but nonetheless there will be a starting RB there and Harrison obviously closed the season well. So anyone that has followed the situation.... How is the Harrison/Hardesty battle going? I've heard nearly nothing on Hardesty, is he still hurt? How have the backs looked? What are the coaches saying? I know they invested a bit on the line, how does that look as a run blocking unit?Sometimes you can snag an under the radar guy late as everyone else is looking at other situations and maybe this is that 4th/5th RB that can offer some value.

Harrison hasn't looked great but atleast he has been on the field. Hardesty has been hurt for almost all of training camp. I really think Harrison is a sleeper right now due to Delhomme being so bad CLe. will be forced to run the ball and their Oline is actually really good. I think Harrison is given every chance in the regular season to be the bell cow. If you can get him in the soxth round take it to the bank.

 

[Banger]

I, like most at this point, am refining and locking in on the players I want to target and avoid but one group that I've read/heard little to nothing about is the Clev RB situation. I know it's not the sexiest situations but nonetheless there will be a starting RB there and Harrison obviously closed the season well. So anyone that has followed the situation.... How is the Harrison/Hardesty battle going? I've heard nearly nothing on Hardesty, is he still hurt? How have the backs looked? What are the coaches saying? I know they invested a bit on the line, how does that look as a run blocking unit?Sometimes you can snag an under the radar guy late as everyone else is looking at other situations and maybe this is that 4th/5th RB that can offer some value.

Harrison hasn't looked great but atleast he has been on the field. Hardesty has been hurt for almost all of training camp. I really think Harrison is a sleeper right now due to Delhomme being so bad CLe. will be forced to run the ball and their Oline is actually really good. I think Harrison is given every chance in the regular season to be the bell cow. If you can get him in the soxth round take it to the bank.

so what is Hardesty's injury? I think I remembered a while back that it was a hammy. I know some were high on him before TC, maybe he does an opposite James Davis, where he does nothing in camp and does well in the regular season? As a rook though you do need the reps.

 

[MAC_32]

Mangini Law - rookies don't play if they aren't in camp, even if they are in camp they have to earn their keep

At this point Hillis a greater threat to Harrison this season than Hardesty, only injuries will change that.

 

[Banger]

Mangini Law - rookies don't play if they aren't in camp, even if they are in camp they have to earn their keepAt this point Hillis a greater threat to Harrison this season than Hardesty, only injuries will change that.

That's good to know. How close is Hardesty to returning?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Mangini Law - rookies don't play if they aren't in camp, even if they are in camp they have to earn their keepAt this point Hillis a greater threat to Harrison this season than Hardesty, only injuries will change that.

That's good to know. How close is Hardesty to returning?

He's on schedule, should return to action next week.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

Hillis is getting alot of action with the first team in the first two preseason games.

 

[Tanner9919]

I, like most at this point, am refining and locking in on the players I want to target and avoid but one group that I've read/heard little to nothing about is the Clev RB situation. I know it's not the sexiest situations but nonetheless there will be a starting RB there and Harrison obviously closed the season well. So anyone that has followed the situation.... How is the Harrison/Hardesty battle going? I've heard nearly nothing on Hardesty, is he still hurt? How have the backs looked? What are the coaches saying? I know they invested a bit on the line, how does that look as a run blocking unit?Sometimes you can snag an under the radar guy late as everyone else is looking at other situations and maybe this is that 4th/5th RB that can offer some value.

Harrison hasn't looked great but atleast he has been on the field. Hardesty has been hurt for almost all of training camp. I really think Harrison is a sleeper right now due to Delhomme being so bad CLe. will be forced to run the ball and their Oline is actually really good. I think Harrison is given every chance in the regular season to be the bell cow. If you can get him in the soxth round take it to the bank.

actually, Delhomme has looked pretty good so far in preseason...interestingly,and perhaps not by coincidence, Matt Moore and Clausen have each floudered in two preseason games in Carolina...just sayin'...

 

[loose circuits]

kinda glad Hardesty has been dinged, can get him for a bargain. All reports were positive

 

[Desert_Power]

I'd be reluctant to take Harrison. I think he has a lot of talent and should be carrying the load for CLE, but Mangina hates him and will pull him any time he slips up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Harrison showed explosive potential last year and he will get plenty of work. I see him as adecent RB2 better RB3 option. In best ball he is ideal as he will likely have 4-5 big games and you won't have to try to figure out when that will be.

 

[Nagle2998]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

 

[Giants4Life]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

 

[amnesiac]

rbbc.

Hardesty injured the same knee in college (acl i think). no word what exactly this injury is, but he's supposedly on schedule to return soon.

 

[Shutout]

rbbc.Hardesty injured the same knee in college (acl i think). no word what exactly this injury is, but he's supposedly on schedule to return soon.

Its a knee and I agree. RBBC at best and I wouldn't read ANYTHING into Hillis right now. I have heard nothing to suggest that he is truly in the plans and , FWIW, they still have James Davis. Pre-season is a funny thing: A guy is played a lot and half the guys interpret that as he's getting his chance; the other half interpret that as he is getting an audition to see if the team can get anything for him.The next two pre-season games should shed a lot of light on it.

 

[MAC_32]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Massaquoi played week 1, but he didn't start. Cribbs did. Massaquoi didn't get the starting role til the Bengals game, 2 days before Braylon was dealt.If Mangini really wants Hardesty (or one of the others) to win the job then this is going to be a big headache all year, good luck guessing which RB will blow up week to week if there isn't a clear lead back because there won't be any info game week to help you make your decision.

 

[zed2283]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/441280-...es-davis#page/8

 

[Todem]

NExt pre-season game is dress rehershal...first half should tell us at least what to expect week one as far as depth charts...after that...who the heck knows.

This is a tough call indeed.

 

[Nagle2998]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

Well first why would he move up into the 2nd round to take a rb when he has a young starter on is team and just added peyton. But if you want one quote this to me says he doesn't think Harrison is an every down rb. I don't remember him saying this about Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones. Now I could be wrong because I'm not sure if that's Mangini call or whoever the OC is in Cleveland." But Mangini also said they don't want to overwork Harrison and run him into the ground. "He handled the load well, but you don't want the guy to carry the load all the time," he said. "It's not easy to stay healthy for a full season."

 

[Giants4Life]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

Well first why would he move up into the 2nd round to take a rb when he has a young starter on is team and just added peyton. But if you want one quote this to me says he doesn't think Harrison is an every down rb. I don't remember him saying this about Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones. Now I could be wrong because I'm not sure if that's Mangini call or whoever the OC is in Cleveland." But Mangini also said they don't want to overwork Harrison and run him into the ground. "He handled the load well, but you don't want the guy to carry the load all the time," he said. "It's not easy to stay healthy for a full season."

That quote tells me nothing.

 

[pantherclub]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

Well first why would he move up into the 2nd round to take a rb when he has a young starter on is team and just added peyton. But if you want one quote this to me says he doesn't think Harrison is an every down rb. I don't remember him saying this about Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones. Now I could be wrong because I'm not sure if that's Mangini call or whoever the OC is in Cleveland." But Mangini also said they don't want to overwork Harrison and run him into the ground. "He handled the load well, but you don't want the guy to carry the load all the time," he said. "It's not easy to stay healthy for a full season."

That quote tells me nothing.

Clearly it shows that Mangini hates him.

 

[No Way Jose]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

Well first why would he move up into the 2nd round to take a rb when he has a young starter on is team and just added peyton. But if you want one quote this to me says he doesn't think Harrison is an every down rb. I don't remember him saying this about Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones. Now I could be wrong because I'm not sure if that's Mangini call or whoever the OC is in Cleveland

." But Mangini also said they don't want to overwork Harrison and run him into the ground. "He handled the load well, but you don't want the guy to carry the load all the time," he said. "It's not easy to stay healthy for a full season."

That quote tells me nothing.

What part of the above bolded requires a quote. One persons hypothesis should not require a quote from the coach.And, off course he wants him to win the job.....because that would mean he was better than Harrison, which in turn would mean he had a better football team.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Of course I think it is best to own both because if healthy I think Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job but I don't think he can hold up for 16 games. I also believe that Harrison is good enough if he gets the shot but Mangini is stubborn. As for starting rookies didn't he start Massaquoi week one last year.

Can you give me one quote where anyone within Cleveland states that Mangini wants Hardesty to win the job

Well first why would he move up into the 2nd round to take a rb when he has a young starter on is team and just added peyton. But if you want one quote this to me says he doesn't think Harrison is an every down rb. I don't remember him saying this about Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones. Now I could be wrong because I'm not sure if that's Mangini call or whoever the OC is in Cleveland." But Mangini also said they don't want to overwork Harrison and run him into the ground. "He handled the load well, but you don't want the guy to carry the load all the time," he said. "It's not easy to stay healthy for a full season."

That quote actually suggests that Harrsion will get the majority of the carries. In the 4 games he started last year, he averaged 34 carries. I'm sure there's not a coach in the league that wants to give one RB 34 carries a game. Of course he wants to lighten his load.

 

[glumpy]

actually, Delhomme has looked pretty good so far in preseason...interestingly,and perhaps not by coincidence, Matt Moore and Clausen have each floudered in two preseason games in Carolina...just sayin'...

I don't think Delhomme is necessarily as bad as his last year--if he gets his head back on straight I think he'll manage alright. I really feel he never got over the drubbing at the end of 2008 through last year; hopefully he'll settle back down again....

 

[Das Boot]

Delhomme will be capable this year and an upgrade over the past several years.

The Browns will be a bit of a pleasant surprise this year - not a playoff team by any means but they will take steps toward it this year and will have some good wins.

 

[pantherclub]

Delhomme will be capable this year and an upgrade over the past several years.

The Browns will be a bit of a pleasant surprise this year - not a playoff team by any means but they will take steps toward it this year and will have some good wins.

Good luck with that.

 

[daveR]

Harrison hasn't looked great but atleast he has been on the field. Hardesty has been hurt for almost all of training camp. I really think Harrison is a sleeper right now due to Delhomme being so bad CLe. will be forced to run the ball and their Oline is actually really good. I think Harrison is given every chance in the regular season to be the bell cow. If you can get him in the soxth round take it to the bank.

Well... yes and no.At qb, Delhomme and Wallace have each looked better than the last two put together, so don't expect bad qb play to dictate the game plan.

The rb's are hard to call because Hardesty has been out all of camp. Since he's a guy they moved up to get in the draft, I think it's safe to say they had plans for him, but those plans could have changed by now. Not surprising at all, Harrison is running with authority like he always has. Still, it's hard to say if he has conquered whatever difficulty had kept him on the bench until late last season. (Some people have speculated that it's lack of blitz pickup skills.)

At the same time, Hillis has looked like the guy I liked in prior years -- power runner with good hands. This begs the question, "Why move up in the draft for a rb, if you have these two guys already?" Seems like they either had no confidence in Harrison / Hillis, or they think they spotted an exceptional talent in Hardesty. The answer to that question should lead you in the right direction.

BTW, I have heard from a friend of a friend (etc., etc. (supposed insider)) to give extra consideration to Hardesty's health situation. Be careful.

 

[TDavi118]

Bump.... I wasn't fortunate enough to watch Cleveland's 3rd preseason game. anybody have anymore insight on their RB situation?

 

[MAC_32]

Bump.... I wasn't fortunate enough to watch Cleveland's 3rd preseason game. anybody have anymore insight on their RB situation?

Jerome's trying to fumble away the job, Hardesty's playing Thursday, and Hillis is still the best RB in camp.

 

[Gopher State]

Bump.... I wasn't fortunate enough to watch Cleveland's 3rd preseason game. anybody have anymore insight on their RB situation?

Jerome's trying to fumble away the job, Hardesty's playing Thursday, and Hillis is still the best RB in camp.

Hillis is looking like he might steal the starting job.

 

[Phil McRevis]

BTW, I have heard from a friend of a friend (etc., etc. (supposed insider)) to give extra consideration to Hardesty's health situation. Be careful.

As in they think it's something potentially serious?

 

[amnesiac]

BTW, I have heard from a friend of a friend (etc., etc. (supposed insider)) to give extra consideration to Hardesty's health situation. Be careful.

As in they think it's something potentially serious?

from what i read the latest injury was non-contact. and it was a bone bruise.reading between the lines, that tells me that his knee is not very stable and he is probably going to have a serious injury to it sooner rather than later. i have no inside info, and that is just my 2 cents, though.

 

[massraider]

I will go out of my way to watch every Hardesty carry.

A preseason injury for a rookie, while never a good thing (especially for a kid with his injury history), isn't the end of the world. If you thought Hardesty was the goods before, then you shouldn't drop him down too much. They have a new regime, and THAT regime went after Hardesty, traded up to get him. They want to make sure he isn't talented before they move on.

He's a second round pick, that cost them more than that, has been out a few weeks, we've never seen him play, and people are making sly, knowing remarks about Peyton Hilllis? Come on guys, this is when "It's only preseason" is appropriate.

 

[Meast21]

I will go out of my way to watch every Hardesty carry.

A preseason injury for a rookie, while never a good thing (especially for a kid with his injury history), isn't the end of the world. If you thought Hardesty was the goods before, then you shouldn't drop him down too much. They have a new regime, and THAT regime went after Hardesty, traded up to get him. They want to make sure he isn't talented before they move on.

He's a second round pick, that cost them more than that, has been out a few weeks, we've never seen him play, and people are making sly, knowing remarks about Peyton Hilllis? Come on guys, this is when "It's only preseason" is appropriate.

 

[Futz]

I still really think this is Harrison's job to lose or fumble away. My gut tells me that Harrison will be given the nod early on and Hillis will get some but not all of the short yardage/goalline duty. Hardesty will get sprinkled in more frequently as the season progresses or if Harrison flames out completely

 

[amnesiac]

I will go out of my way to watch every Hardesty carry. A preseason injury for a rookie, while never a good thing (especially for a kid with his injury history), isn't the end of the world. If you thought Hardesty was the goods before, then you shouldn't drop him down too much. They have a new regime, and THAT regime went after Hardesty, traded up to get him. They want to make sure he isn't talented before they move on. He's a second round pick, that cost them more than that, has been out a few weeks, we've never seen him play, and people are making sly, knowing remarks about Peyton Hilllis? Come on guys, this is when "It's only preseason" is appropriate.

mostly agree.but this regime never got behind Harrison, Hillis has looked like a beast (and they are the ones that brought him in too, in the Quinn deal), and Hardesty has an extensive injury history.so weirder things have happened.

 

[massraider]

I will go out of my way to watch every Hardesty carry. A preseason injury for a rookie, while never a good thing (especially for a kid with his injury history), isn't the end of the world. If you thought Hardesty was the goods before, then you shouldn't drop him down too much. They have a new regime, and THAT regime went after Hardesty, traded up to get him. They want to make sure he isn't talented before they move on. He's a second round pick, that cost them more than that, has been out a few weeks, we've never seen him play, and people are making sly, knowing remarks about Peyton Hilllis? Come on guys, this is when "It's only preseason" is appropriate.

mostly agree.but this regime never got behind Harrison, Hillis has looked like a beast (and they are the ones that brought him in too, in the Quinn deal), and Hardesty has an extensive injury history.so weirder things have happened.

Well, it's official, 'beast' is now getting thrown around too much.Hillis looked great, he catches the ball well, and brings a lot. And he brought a lot of energy when he came in the game this summer. He fired up his teammates. I never understood why Denver didn't use him more. But he's not a lead back. He just isn't. If everything breaks right, he could be the RB2 in a RBBC. Harrison might not be a team favorite, but he is one of their two best backs, and I am sure they know it. Like I said with Hardesty, if you think he is the goods, then one summer injury shouldn't have you scrambling to pick up Hillis, or more importantly, think the Browns are going to abandon him. He's going to have to be pretty bad, or suffer another injury, for Peyton Hillis to take his playing time. I was never really a Hardesty guy, but I like his draft spot, which has probably fallen even more over the last few weeks. Where he is going, there' aren't too many other guys with a path to the lead role. People like drafting players that they saw do something nice in the preseason, even if we all agree it doesn't mean much. The guy was getting drafted at 1.5 in rookie drafts, and now I bet people are taking him as their last pick in some drafts. I kind of like that. The Browns have the potential to be good enough to have some relevant fantasy players. I could see MoMass (just can't spell that name, not trying to coin an annoying new nickname) becoming a nice spot starter, Ben Watson as a nice TE2 for fantasy teams, Josh Cribbs as a nice WR3 in return leagues, and one of the backs becoming a nice RB3. I watched them a bit this preseason (That NFL.com on demand thing is dope) and they look pretty well-coached, and Delhomme looked a lot better than he did in Carolina. Their O-line is good, and occasionally very good.

 

[amnesiac]

i think Hardesty will be given every opportunity to succeed.

i just have a sinking feeling that he is not going to be able to stay healthy and will end up being a bust.

i really do hope i'm wrong about him though.

 

[killrobotkill]

kinda glad Hardesty has been dinged, can get him for a bargain. All reports were positive

I'm a little hesitant on Hardesty because of his injury history. He's had issues with getting hurt his entire career. I might consider Harrison if I were convinced the Browns would run the ball 8 million times a game like they did at the end of last year.

 

[TDavi118]

kinda glad Hardesty has been dinged, can get him for a bargain. All reports were positive

I'm a little hesitant on Hardesty because of his injury history. He's had issues with getting hurt his entire career. I might consider Harrison if I were convinced the Browns would run the ball 8 million times a game like they did at the end of last year.

would you consider Hillis a good sleeper late in the season?

 

[The Man With No Name]

Hardesty left tonights game with a left knee injury. No idea on the severity at this point.

 

[TDavi118]

kinda glad Hardesty has been dinged, can get him for a bargain. All reports were positive

I'm a little hesitant on Hardesty because of his injury history. He's had issues with getting hurt his entire career. I might consider Harrison if I were convinced the Browns would run the ball 8 million times a game like they did at the end of last year.

would you consider Hillis a good sleeper late in the season?

looks like my question has been answered. Any Cleveland homers have anything to add to this thread?

 

[amnesiac]

kinda glad Hardesty has been dinged, can get him for a bargain. All reports were positive

I'm a little hesitant on Hardesty because of his injury history. He's had issues with getting hurt his entire career. I might consider Harrison if I were convinced the Browns would run the ball 8 million times a game like they did at the end of last year.

would you consider Hillis a good sleeper late in the season?

looks like my question has been answered. Any Cleveland homers have anything to add to this thread?

nope, i'm gonna stop while i'm ahead.