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BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (1 Viewer)

amnesiac said:
serious question, why do people think Parcells is interested in leaving Miami after one year?
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Parcells strikes me as the type of person who gets bored really easily. He also has one hell of an ego, and one hell of an agent. That was a wise move adding in that clause that allows him to take orders only from Huizenga. At his age and stature, why would you want some punk new order raining on your parade?He can take $9m and run and then get another $10+ mil from another team. Considering his lifestyle, it is somewhat about the money (I lived about 15 minutes from him for a while). He's a turnaround expert. The type of person that comes in, rips it down, puts it back up, and goes. His job in Miami may already be done.
 
amnesiac said:
serious question, why do people think Parcells is interested in leaving Miami after one year?
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I don't know if it's that he's interested, it's that he has an out-clause. Media will run with it. I think Wayne has always talked about selling the Dolphins, so if Tuna is very serious that he wants to work for nobody else or if he doesn't like the new owner, maybe he will get out of there. Seems very possible to me.As DPNJ mentioned, he has possibly accomplished with what he set out to do. Although, I don't see the Dolphins as a year in year out playoff team, I could easily see a falloff next season.
 
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DawgPoundNJ said:
amnesiac said:
serious question, why do people think Parcells is interested in leaving Miami after one year?
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Parcells strikes me as the type of person who gets bored really easily. He also has one hell of an ego, and one hell of an agent. That was a wise move adding in that clause that allows him to take orders only from Huizenga. At his age and stature, why would you want some punk new order raining on your parade?He can take $9m and run and then get another $10+ mil from another team. Considering his lifestyle, it is somewhat about the money (I lived about 15 minutes from him for a while). He's a turnaround expert. The type of person that comes in, rips it down, puts it back up, and goes. His job in Miami may already be done.
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just seems a bit odd to me. as we've seen, one year does not a turnaround make.
 
you gotta love the Browns website:

Browns announce changes12.29.2008The Browns have just announced that a change has been made at the general manager and head coaching positions.Stay tuned to ClevelandBrowns.com throughout the day for more.
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So Cowher is out, and I'm guessing Pioli is in for the GM. What about the head coach? We'd be insane to get Mangini... are we then looking at Spagnuolo or McDaniels?

 
I enjoyed hearing Savage weekly on his Thursday morning spot on WTAM. I hope the new GM does something like that, but I doubt it.

 
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :lmao:

 
Boy I'd think the Browns would place a call to Marty Schottenheimer. If not as a coach or GM at least as a consultant. Marty is as well-connected as anyone in the game and knows Cleveland.

My other thought was Urban Meyer. Especially if Florida wins another national championship. He is from the Northern Ohio area and probably would return if given control of the GM/coaching duties. Heck Belichick even consullted with him on running the spread O. When the Browns said Romeo may return in some capacity I figured Meyer might be the reason, let Romeo take the D and UM the O.

 
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tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :lmao:
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Well I guess this settles it then.Who's next in line boys?
 
tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :bag:
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So then you already knew Pioli has ties to the Browns and is good friends with Lerner? Not to mention Parcells not wanting to get in his way for any open gigs.Thanks for stopping by, guy!
 
amnesiac said:
if they hire a college coach i quit.
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:thumbup: There needs to be some experience in the HC position, or else they are only spinning their wheels. Heck, they could use the experience in the GM and Owner positions as well.I'm all for Pioli. Give him the reins and let's see what he can do.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Pioli declines the Browns request for an interview, much like he did when the Giants came calling a couple of years ago.

 
Bobcat10 said:
tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :thumbup:
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So then you already knew Pioli has ties to the Browns and is good friends with Lerner?
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Not to mention his best friend is Indians GM Mark Shapiro...so...
 
Frenchy Fuqua said:
Boy I'd think the Browns would place a call to Marty Schottenheimer. If not as a coach or GM at least as a consultant. Marty is as well-connected as anyone in the game and knows Cleveland.My other thought was Urban Meyer. Especially if Florida wins another national championship. He is from the Northern Ohio area and probably would return if given control of the GM/coaching duties. Heck Belichick even consullted with him on running the spread O. When the Browns said Romeo may return in some capacity I figured Meyer might be the reason, let Romeo take the D and UM the O.
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I just came to post in here that Triv is saying on local radio "don't forget this name people, Urban Meyer". Not sure why Triv is on outside of his timeslot, maybe because of the firings, it seemed they were talking Browns the whole time.The guy spews alot of ####, but he's got as many ins in this city as most, maybe he knows something.
 
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :lmao:
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So then you already knew Pioli has ties to the Browns and is good friends with Lerner?
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Not to mention his best friend is Indians GM Mark Shapiro...so...
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Not to mention he is friends with Danny Ferry. He wishes we were kidding...although it probably doesn't mean much (at least Ferry).
 
Bobcat10 said:
tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :lmao:
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So then you already knew Pioli has ties to the Browns and is good friends with Lerner? Not to mention Parcells not wanting to get in his way for any open gigs.Thanks for stopping by, guy!
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:lmao:
 
Also, Pioli is Quinn's illegitimate father! And he's Grady Sizemore's uncle.

These connections are getting a little out of hand :jawdrop:

 
Sorry if this is old news...just getting the other "names" out there after Pioli. We've heard them all before, maybe except Donahoe.

Crennel told Lerner he may be willing to stay with the team in another coaching capacity.
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Lerner said Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels was on his coaching list and he will likely contact Eric Mangini, fired Monday by the New York Jets. Mangini began his pro career as an intern with Cleveland in the 1990s.

Lerner also expressed an interest in speaking with Bill Parcells, if he leaves the Miami Dolphins. Floyd Reese, Charley Casserly and Tom Donahoe are other possibilities for the executive job.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/11197077
 
Bring Condi Rice in and let her have the VP spot that Phil had (let her bring some respectability to the franchise in other ops than football, she was an excellent Provost at Stanford and this is her dream job), hire Floyd Reese for GM, and ask Jacksonville permission to speak with Jack Del Rio if he's not let go this week.

I know Parcells is the daddy root, but spare me anything off of the Belichick tree. I don't want to be linked to that prik.

 
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.

 
President: Tuna

GM: Pioli

HC: Mangenious

DC: Crennel

I haven't figured out OC yet, But maybe Charlie Weis?

 
I loathe Billick. The offensive guru who won with a dominant defense, and a barely-there offense. Wait, what?

 
Tecumseh said:
I loathe Billick. The offensive guru who won with a dominant defense, and a barely-there offense. Wait, what?
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Not to mention the laid back attitude.Keep Camp Creampuff in Baltimore. This mash unit needs a fire lit under its ### and that won't happen with Billick.
 
tones said:
If you think Pioli is GM of Cleveland THINK again. You MIGHT see him leave NE to do something with his father-in-law at some point. But he is from NE and his wife REALLY likes the area. Oh the in law some guy named Parcells :moneybag:
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Paging tones....tones to the white courtesy phone please...

Patriots' Pioli said to be very interested in Browns' GM job

by Mary Kay Cabot

Cleveland.com

Monday December 29, 2008, 6:22 PM

Scott Pioli, Patriots vice president of player personnel, is believed to be very interested in the Browns' general manager job and is expected to interview for the position soon, multiple league sources told The Plain Dealer on Monday.

The Browns have been granted permission by the Patriots to interview Pioli and could talk to him as soon as today. Pioli also has been contacted by either the Kansas City Chiefs or Detroit Lions and will interview for one of those jobs as well, a source said.

The interviews will be the first Pioli has accepted since he joined the Patriots in 2000. He was granted permission to interview with two other teams, but he declined both. In 2005, the Seattle Seahawks, despite not formally interviewing Pioli, offered him a five-year, $15 million deal, which he turned down. He also declined a request to be interviewed by the New York Giants in January 2007.

If Pioli takes the Browns job, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, a Canton native, could be near the top of his list of coaching candidates. Pioli hired McDaniels, 32, in 2001 to be a personnel and coaching assistant for the Patriots. The two remain close. Browns owner Randy Lerner confirmed Monday that McDaniels is on his short list. The Lions already have asked for permission to interview McDaniels, the Boston Herald reported Monday night.

Pioli began his NFL career in Cleveland under Bill Belichick in 1992 and has told associates over the years that the Browns job would be intriguing to him and one of the only ones that would be compelling enough to pry him away from Belichick and the Patriots.

Pioli, who was a pro personnel assistant for Cleveland from 1992 to 1995, loved the city and the team. He also formed close relationships with people such as Indians General Manager Mark Shapiro and would love to help rebuild the Browns the same way Shapiro has done with the Tribe and Danny Ferry the Cavs, sources said.

Pioli, 43, was with the Browns when they went 11-5 in 1994 under Belichick, and everyone on that staff felt the team was on its way to glory before the team moved to Baltimore in 1995. If Pioli takes the Browns job, he would have the final say on the 53-man roster that Belichick had in New England.

During Pioli's nine years with the Patriots, the team won four conference titles, three Super Bowls and he was twice named Sporting News NFL Executive of Year, as voted on by his peers.

Browns owner Randy Lerner, who has a good relationship with Pioli, is expected to go hard after him and give him a chance to write his own job description. Pioli also would weigh heavily in the hiring of the new coach.

If Pioli does hire McDaniels, he most likely would hope to pair him with at least one experienced coordinator.

"He's got a lot of qualities," Lerner said of Pioli. "He's very well-trained. I think he's got a very attractive demeanor, football demeanor. It's the right time of life for him. I think he's a fundamentally good guy."

If Pioli turns down the job, there's a chance Lerner could turn to Bill Parcells, who's Pioli's father-in-law. Parcells can become a free agent as soon as next month if the Dolphins are sold.

"I've been following that story," Lerner said. "[sure] I would talk to him."
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Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
 
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
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Assuming he is in fact interested in coaching in 2009, and knowing that he was number one on the Browns coaching list, Cowher could have used the Browns and Lerner's deep pockets as leverage to get the fattest deal possible from NYJ or other teams. The fact that he told Lerner face-to-face to cross him off his list was a very respectful move. The Browns can now focus their search on people who actually want the job. I personally like the idea of bringing in Piolo. He doesn't have the experience of being "the man" when it comes to final authority on football decisions, but he is an experienced front office man, which Savage was not. Savage was at his best on the road and scouting talent, not operating out of the team HQ and overseeing all aspects of the team's football operations. We don't need another scout.

From what I've heard about Savage, he put in a scouting infrastructure that was not in place when he joined the Browns. That will help the transition of management.

As far as the head coach goes, I guess McDaniels would be the favorite if Pioli is brought in. My first thought was Mangini, but considering that he threw the New England franchise under the bus with the Belicheck spy-gate fiasco I wonder if Pioli harbors and hard feelings towards Mangini.

Two names I like are Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo and Titans DC Jim Schwartz. If Pioli is hired, I believe he and Jim Schwartz crossed paths before when both started their careers with the old Browns in the mid-90's.

 
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
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Right, I've heard he told Pitt when he left he'd never coach within the division. I have no beef with that.But then I shouldn't be reading this:

During a meeting on Saturday night in New York, Cowher, who has worked as a studio analyst for CBS since stepping down following the 2006 season, informed Lerner he has no intention of returning to coaching in 2009 and asked to be taken off the list of possible candidates.

"The explanation that he gave," Lerner said, "was that he was very focused on his kids and his life in North Carolina, and the way he's living in a noncoaching or, if you will, a civilian existence, and that he wasn't finished with that."

Lerner said he and Cowher had a long conversation about the Browns and Cowher's days as a player and assistant coach in Cleveland.

Cowher, who is certain to be coveted by several other teams, could change his mind. But Lerner said he left their meeting feeling as if it would be their last.

"He wasn't coy. He spoke very clearly," Lerner said. "He was very prepared to describe his position. It wasn't a dance."

Lerner said he never got a chance to make a financial pitch to Cowher.

"It wasn't that kind of meeting," he said. "This was an informal visit to get out on the table that he was not prepared to be considered a candidate. Had I heard otherwise, I would have skipped that meeting and said let's get to it (business)."
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mr blond said:
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
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Assuming he is in fact interested in coaching in 2009, and knowing that he was number one on the Browns coaching list, Cowher could have used the Browns and Lerner's deep pockets as leverage to get the fattest deal possible from NYJ or other teams. The fact that he told Lerner face-to-face to cross him off his list was a very respectful move. The Browns can now focus their search on people who actually want the job. I personally like the idea of bringing in Piolo. He doesn't have the experience of being "the man" when it comes to final authority on football decisions, but he is an experienced front office man, which Savage was not. Savage was at his best on the road and scouting talent, not operating out of the team HQ and overseeing all aspects of the team's football operations. We don't need another scout.
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I agree...I just think Cowher should not have told or implied to Lerner that he's not coming back in 2009 to anyone. See my post above. Maybe Lerner misunderstood him. I don't know.
 
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Bobcat10 said:
mr blond said:
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
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Assuming he is in fact interested in coaching in 2009, and knowing that he was number one on the Browns coaching list, Cowher could have used the Browns and Lerner's deep pockets as leverage to get the fattest deal possible from NYJ or other teams. The fact that he told Lerner face-to-face to cross him off his list was a very respectful move. The Browns can now focus their search on people who actually want the job. I personally like the idea of bringing in Piolo. He doesn't have the experience of being "the man" when it comes to final authority on football decisions, but he is an experienced front office man, which Savage was not. Savage was at his best on the road and scouting talent, not operating out of the team HQ and overseeing all aspects of the team's football operations. We don't need another scout.
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I agree...I just think Cowher should not have told or implied to Lerner that he's not coming back in 2009 to anyone. See my post above. Maybe Lerner misunderstood him. I don't know.
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Not that I want to defend Cowher, but we obviously heard the details of Cowher and Lerner's meeting 2nd hand. Since Lerner doesn't allow recording devices in his press conferences we actually heard the details 3rd hand from Cleveland reporters. So, who knows the context of what was really said. Also, one detail that changed since Cowher and Lerner met is the NYJ job opened up.

Who knows, but I'm with you. I like the idea of not having a do-all Cowher.

 
mr blond said:
Bobcat10 said:
mr blond said:
wadegarrett said:
Bobcat10 said:
Cowher willing to speak with Jets about open coaching position. Do the Jets have a GM? Wonder if this is more like Lerner's face to face with Cowher Saturday night or that he's really willing to take that job. That'd be a slap in Lerner's face as he said Cowher told him he doesn't want to coach in 2009.
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Heard on the radio he turned the job down b/c he didn't want to coach in Division.
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Assuming he is in fact interested in coaching in 2009, and knowing that he was number one on the Browns coaching list, Cowher could have used the Browns and Lerner's deep pockets as leverage to get the fattest deal possible from NYJ or other teams. The fact that he told Lerner face-to-face to cross him off his list was a very respectful move. The Browns can now focus their search on people who actually want the job. I personally like the idea of bringing in Piolo. He doesn't have the experience of being "the man" when it comes to final authority on football decisions, but he is an experienced front office man, which Savage was not. Savage was at his best on the road and scouting talent, not operating out of the team HQ and overseeing all aspects of the team's football operations. We don't need another scout.
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I agree...I just think Cowher should not have told or implied to Lerner that he's not coming back in 2009 to anyone. See my post above. Maybe Lerner misunderstood him. I don't know.
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Not that I want to defend Cowher, but we obviously heard the details of Cowher and Lerner's meeting 2nd hand. Since Lerner doesn't allow recording devices in his press conferences we actually heard the details 3rd hand from Cleveland reporters. So, who knows the context of what was really said. Also, one detail that changed since Cowher and Lerner met is the NYJ job opened up.

Who knows, but I'm with you. I like the idea of not having a do-all Cowher.
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Valid points.
 
FWIW...Cowher's role wherever he lands is likely to be the same as it was in Pittsburgh. He was the coach (not GM) but did have the largest say on personnel, like the other top coaches. Basically he wants to bring his own guys in with him, whomever they may be.

 
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