Browns will entertain offers for Anderson (1 Viewer)

[mad sweeney]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

What he has better stats this season, that makes him better? Engram has better stats than Steve Smith, is Engram a better WR? Teams gameplan around Hester. They don't kick the ball to him because of what he can do. And when they do he makes them pay. He changes the entire game he's in because of how good he is. Cribbs hasn't reached that status yet. He had a great season of returns, but he's still no Hester and I doubt you'll get anyone rational to agree with you.Pointing to stats like that is the dumbest way of proving a point there is.

How else would you like to compare them? Believe it or not, cribbs has been every bit as good as Hester this year, stats show him to be better and you don't have any objective proof to argue against them. Both made the pro bowl this year. While Hester has more fame, Cribbs is every bit as good, he's simply underrated. Can we get back to the subject of this thread?

When teams start giving up field position at the 40 or closer rather than give it to Cribbs then you can start calling him the best. Hester did in two season what no one else has ever done in their careers and changes the way teams play them. When Cribbs does that he can get into the conversation. He had a very good season, but is still not in Hester's range.

 

[FUBAR]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

What he has better stats this season, that makes him better? Engram has better stats than Steve Smith, is Engram a better WR? Teams gameplan around Hester. They don't kick the ball to him because of what he can do. And when they do he makes them pay. He changes the entire game he's in because of how good he is. Cribbs hasn't reached that status yet. He had a great season of returns, but he's still no Hester and I doubt you'll get anyone rational to agree with you.Pointing to stats like that is the dumbest way of proving a point there is.

How else would you like to compare them? Believe it or not, cribbs has been every bit as good as Hester this year, stats show him to be better and you don't have any objective proof to argue against them. Both made the pro bowl this year. While Hester has more fame, Cribbs is every bit as good, he's simply underrated. Can we get back to the subject of this thread?

When teams start giving up field position at the 40 or closer rather than give it to Cribbs then you can start calling him the best. Hester did in two season what no one else has ever done in their careers and changes the way teams play them. When Cribbs does that he can get into the conversation. He had a very good season, but is still not in Hester's range.

If Hester didn't finish the year 41st in the NFC on Kick return average, you'd have a better argument. That's average, which isn't harmed by teams kicking out of bounds. He had less returns of 40+ than A. Allison (2 vs. 3), who had half as many returns. Cribbs had 7 returns of 40+. I'm not insulting Hester here, but for this year, Cribbs did better. I don't see any way you can legitimately dispute that.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is not a Brees/Rivers comparison. Anderson has been a nobody, and will continue to be a nobody after he gets traded away. If the browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, they should do it. You can blab all you want about him having a 10-6 record, but with a great OLine, good Wr's and the best kick returner in the league, those wins weren't all him.

I dont think there was a QB in the league that was worse than him for the second half of the season.

Cribbs is good but I think Hester has this title until Cribbs can take it from him.

You might want to check Hester's Kick Return stats.

What he has better stats this season, that makes him better? Engram has better stats than Steve Smith, is Engram a better WR? Teams gameplan around Hester. They don't kick the ball to him because of what he can do. And when they do he makes them pay. He changes the entire game he's in because of how good he is. Cribbs hasn't reached that status yet. He had a great season of returns, but he's still no Hester and I doubt you'll get anyone rational to agree with you.Pointing to stats like that is the dumbest way of proving a point there is.

How else would you like to compare them? Believe it or not, cribbs has been every bit as good as Hester this year, stats show him to be better and you don't have any objective proof to argue against them. Both made the pro bowl this year. While Hester has more fame, Cribbs is every bit as good, he's simply underrated. Can we get back to the subject of this thread?

When teams start giving up field position at the 40 or closer rather than give it to Cribbs then you can start calling him the best. Hester did in two season what no one else has ever done in their careers and changes the way teams play them. When Cribbs does that he can get into the conversation. He had a very good season, but is still not in Hester's range.

If Hester didn't finish the year 41st in the NFC on Kick return average, you'd have a better argument. That's average, which isn't harmed by teams kicking out of bounds. He had less returns of 40+ than A. Allison (2 vs. 3), who had half as many returns. Cribbs had 7 returns of 40+. I'm not insulting Hester here, but for this year, Cribbs did better. I don't see any way you can legitimately dispute that.

I never disputed that Cribbs didn't do better from a stats standpoint. I said that Hester is a better kick returner than Cribbs. He's hands down the best in the league, possibly of all time. He changes the entire game. Cribbs had a great year but he doesn't affect other teams' game like Hester does, not yet at least. Having better stats than him for this season doesn't make them a better returner. There's more to being the best than simple numbers.

 

[FUBAR]

I never disputed that Cribbs did better from a stats standpoint. I said that Hester is a better kick returner than Cribbs. He's hands down the best in the league, possibly of all time. He changes the entire game. Cribbs had a great year but he doesn't affect other teams' game like Hester does, not yet at least. Having better stats than him for this season doesn't make them a better returner. There's more to being the best than simple numbers.

you're repeating yourself. Nobody is disputing the respect coaches give Hester, and it is well deserved. IMO, they're 1a and 1b. Much like an argument for who the best QB in the league is, if the argument were held last year.

 

[awesomeness]

it would be appreciated if you two would end the hijack. Thank you.

 

[Our Gang]

If the browns trade anderson in favor of quinn...I hope they get what they deserve. Anderson earned his way into the starting spot and a contract.

 

[[scooter]]

Anderson earned his way into the starting spot and a contract.

With his 73.7 passer rating the 2nd half of the year?

 

[cstu]

Interesting article from last year about Anderson:

Monday, December 04, 2006DEREK ANDERSON: THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY?Derek Anderson. Now there’s a name that will get a work out around the water cooler today. Wish the Ravens kept HIM, right?“Did you see that?” “Boy Savage really pulled one over on us there?” “How could Ozzie let this stud get away for nothing?” “I can’t believe we risked sneaking him on the practice squad after that preseason performance against the Redskins back in ‘05!”Etc., etc., etc.People forget that on his very first snap under center in the Falcons preseason game in ‘05 that he stumbled and fumbled and turned the ball over. They forget later in that fourth quarter he threw an interception in the red zone. The same people don’t know that time and time again during summer camp Anderson locked in on receivers, bounced swing passes at the feet of running backs and tripped so often back peddling that he made Kyle Boller look as calm and collected as Joe Montana.Yet the Ravens tried to do something with Anderson -- not cut him but to sneak him on to the practice squad.And while we cheered for him when he rallied the third and fourth string Ravens to victory over the third and fourth string Redskins in overtime 26-20 on the heels of a 7 for 14 performance, 156 yards and two scores, that performance may have sealed his fate as a Raven. Trying to sneak him on to the practice squad was certainly risky given Phil Savage’s intimate knowledge of the former Oregon State Beaver.As you know (perhaps even painfully) the Ravens lost the Beaver when Savage acted like Eddie Haskell and snatched him away.These things happen.And great performances from backup quarterbacks also happen. How many Clint Courtneys and Stoney Cases have we seen in our days?Anderson could become a serviceable back up. He could become a decent starter. But before we get our knickers in a twist about this, let’s see how Anderson does on a national stage against the Steelers in Pittsburgh on Thursday Night or the following week against his former practice mates -- the Baltimore Ravens, after they prepare for him.Then come and bring the topic of Derek Anderson to the water cooler!posted by Tony Lombardi at 8:08 AM

 

[Bobcat10]

Mort reported that the Browns expect to sign him to a long term deal and they expect him to be the starter for 08. He also specualted that a long term deal would make him easier to trade after the 08 season if that's how it shakes out after another season of evaluating Quinn. I believe he also said that another team might swoop in but that he is expected to be a Brown next year.

Just when we thought the Browns were going in the right direction...

It's all about the cap. If the deal is cap friendly, and if properly structured it could be, then that could actually make a trade easier as it guarantees the player will remain under contract with the team that trades for him. I don't think this guarantees the Browns keep him at all.

I think a nice long term contract right now would even make him easier to trade now and easier to trade after 2008 if he does well again. The problem is, the Browns have to get a contract that you wouldn't be upset with if DA was backing up Quinn (which is very possible if DA struggles at the start of next year). What to do if he does well next year is an entire different thread.