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packseasontix
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I think it should be charged to Brown but by stat rules it should be charged to Foles.
When the QB is handing off the ball to a RB the RB needs to control it or make a football move before its the RBs ball to lose. Since Brown never controlled it, it simply just bounced around his arms and he got hit he never controlled it. If he didnt control it he can't fumble it, its Foles fumble at that point.
Brown = lost the ball but did not fumble it by the way stats are recorded
When the QB is handing off the ball to a RB the RB needs to control it or make a football move before its the RBs ball to lose. Since Brown never controlled it, it simply just bounced around his arms and he got hit he never controlled it. If he didnt control it he can't fumble it, its Foles fumble at that point.
Brown = lost the ball but did not fumble it by the way stats are recorded
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
As the rules are written, last player in possession gets chraged the fumble. It's not a judgement call for the official scorer. Brown never had possession, there is a close to zero percent chance he will get charged with a fumble.
With regard to your first poll Q - what are you asking? Within the construct of the scoring rules, it's Foles. From a fault perspective, anyone who saw would say Brown. But the blame game is irrelevant. Even though Brown would get charged with a fumble if judgement were allowed, doesn't matter - he never had possession, so it goes to Foles.
With regard to your first poll Q - what are you asking? Within the construct of the scoring rules, it's Foles. From a fault perspective, anyone who saw would say Brown. But the blame game is irrelevant. Even though Brown would get charged with a fumble if judgement were allowed, doesn't matter - he never had possession, so it goes to Foles.
ImTheScientist
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I think who ever you owned and started....it should be charged to that guy. Threads like these get tiresome.
100 times out of 100 the answer is given to you by what the NFL rules, what fantasy football guy wants or hopes to happen doesn't matter.
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Chachi
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The Chachinator senses much anger. Need a hug?I think who ever you owned and started....it should be charged to that guy. Threads like these get tiresome.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Brown sure does have some handling issues
Yeah, isn't that why when teams try a bunch of lateral passes at the end of the game, and eventually lose possession, the guy who gets charged with a fumble is the one who pitched the ball, not the guy who actually had it go off his hands?
Max Power
Footballguy
Aren't fumbled snaps counted against the QB though? I total agree with everything posted in this thread, just curious why its different between center/qb exchange and QB/RB exchange.
Squintz82
Footballguy
Watch the Freeman hand off to Blount fumble vs the Raiders. Fumble was credited to Freeman and stayed that way.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000090221/Seymour-fumble-recovery
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000090221/Seymour-fumble-recovery
Squintz82
Footballguy
I may be mistaken, but the play doesn't actually start until the ball is snapped. I don't think you can charge the snapper with a fumble, but maybe I'm wrong?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Brown would have needed to have had possession of the ball first in order to fumble it. It looks like the turnover was 100% Brown's fault, but it's 0% chance that he gets the fumble. Just like a receiver that stone-hands a pass and it gets picked off doesn't get charged with an INT even though the pass was perfect and hit him right in the hands.
What happens if you didn't own or start either of them?What the hell kind of scientist are you drawing half assed conclusions?I think who ever you owned and started....it should be charged to that guy. Threads like these get tiresome.
Is everything okay over there? Not sure what the overreaction is. Very valid question. While It didn't look like Brown ever had full possession, this wasn't a simple case of bounce of the RBs chest and on to the ground. This one was actually in his hands but for whatever reason (probably because he closed his eyes and yelled "nooooooooooo" as he saw the DE running towards him) he never fully secured it.With that said I don't think they will change it back to Brown. It seems like they already reviewed the play (which is why they switched it to Foles), so I think it's finalized at this point.I think who ever you owned and started....it should be charged to that guy. Threads like these get tiresome.
That's a pretty good example though I would have charged that to Freeman as well.Blount had his hands where he should receive the ball but the exchange hit him in the far shoulder.Foles jammed the ball right in Browns hands and Brown actually looked like he he was afraid he was going to take a hit and fumbledhttp://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/0ap2000000111172/Bengals-defense-fumble-recovery-TD
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