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Bryon Leftwich vs David Garrard (1 Viewer)
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I agree here. Leftwich is just ridiculously slow and plodding with...well, everything; drops from center, progressions, and delivery. It's like watching an actual NFL quarterback in slow-mo or frame-by-frame. I laugh everytime I see a media guy picking Jax to win the AFCS. With Lefty as their QB, I feel fully confident that they don't have a chance.
Routilla
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As an MJD owner I would love to see Garrard as the starter.
FavreCo
Footballguy
You should because with Garrabage, there is no such thing as a completed pass to a WR.
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Routilla
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I forgot about those. I guess it would have made him look better but if that's the only way he can move the team it is a concern. Hope for the big play or move the chains? I'd rather move the chains.
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twitch
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Here's kindof a bottom line stat for me on Leftwich. The past 4 years, his # of games played has fallen from 15 to 14 to 11 to 6. That could be bad luck, flukey, chance, or all of the above, but its a graph I want no part of. Besides being slow and clumsy, slow on his drops and having possibly the worst throwing motion Ive ever seen in my life, he just gets hurt....often.
No, he's not. Watch those plays again, he had about 3-4.5 seconds of clean pocket to make those throws. I can say with about 95% certainty that he will NOT have that clean of a pocket very often in the regular season. At least not against his division teams, all 3 of which can and will blitz as well as having 1 or 2 great pass rushin DE's. Jax's season is sunk for as long as he's their QB.I have ZERO stake in this btw, merely analyzing what I've seen in the past, as well as thus far this preseason.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
I don't understand. When Leftwich has been healthy and on the field, he has put up good to very good numbers. He's also a leader. Besides injury, I don't see the argument.
Mr. Bill O'Reilly
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PatytonsGhost
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He seemed to develop a good rapport with Northcutt on a couple of routes, he did over throw him badly on a post route which should have been an easy 6. I just cant get over how slow he is even while supposedly healthy, on a number of runs he took so long to hand of that couple times the D was ready for the RB,
Mr. Bill O'Reilly
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I don't like this situation at all... Jacksonville needs to draft a real quarterback but their defense is so good that they'll never get a high enough pick to get a superstar QB... Sort of the situation that Miami use to be in until lately. I'm one of the few people on the Jaguar's forum who thinks the problem isn't the wide receivers.
radiohead417
Footballguy
I'm thinking the poor QB play in Jax has a more to do with their awful WRs than their QBs playing poorly. I mean, when Dennis Northcutt is looking head and shoulders above any other WR on your roster, there is a serious problem.
I don't doubt that Mike Walker can develop into a #1 WR, but it's going to take some time.
Garrard is no good. Turnover machine. It seems like they only win when they run the ball and Garrard doesn't throw. Keep in mind he had wins last year where he passed for 87 and 79 yards.
Garrard's 5 wins:
65-107, 776 yards, 5 TDs 1 INT
(that averages out to approx. 13-21, 150 yards, 1 TD 0 INT)
Garrard's 5 losses:
80-134, 914 yards, 5 TDs 8 INT
(averages out to approx. 16-27, 180 yards, 1 TD 2 INT)
Not many QBs are going to have the run game available to them that's going to allow them to throw 20 passes a game and the team still win.
Byron (not Bryon) Leftwich isn't Joe Montana, but he's certainly better than Garrard. Look at Leftwich's stats last season and in 2005. He's pretty good about not turning the ball over which is what the Jags need a lot more than Garrard throwing pick-6s all game long.
Leftwich (2005 and 2006 - 17 games): 17 TDs, 10 INTs
Garrard (2005 and 2006 - 16 games): 14 TDs, 10 INTs
I don't love Leftwich's throwing motion at all, but let's not turn preseason stats into reasons to bench a guy. Let's also keep in mind Garrard has had no series at all against #1 defenses. I don't expect Leftwich to turn into Kurt Warner circa 1999 and 2000, but I do think he's clearly the best option they have for this season, which is all the coaching staff cares about - because they are all gone if the team doesn't make the playoffs this year.
I don't doubt that Mike Walker can develop into a #1 WR, but it's going to take some time.
Garrard is no good. Turnover machine. It seems like they only win when they run the ball and Garrard doesn't throw. Keep in mind he had wins last year where he passed for 87 and 79 yards.
Garrard's 5 wins:
65-107, 776 yards, 5 TDs 1 INT
(that averages out to approx. 13-21, 150 yards, 1 TD 0 INT)
Garrard's 5 losses:
80-134, 914 yards, 5 TDs 8 INT
(averages out to approx. 16-27, 180 yards, 1 TD 2 INT)
Not many QBs are going to have the run game available to them that's going to allow them to throw 20 passes a game and the team still win.
Byron (not Bryon) Leftwich isn't Joe Montana, but he's certainly better than Garrard. Look at Leftwich's stats last season and in 2005. He's pretty good about not turning the ball over which is what the Jags need a lot more than Garrard throwing pick-6s all game long.
Leftwich (2005 and 2006 - 17 games): 17 TDs, 10 INTs
Garrard (2005 and 2006 - 16 games): 14 TDs, 10 INTs
I don't love Leftwich's throwing motion at all, but let's not turn preseason stats into reasons to bench a guy. Let's also keep in mind Garrard has had no series at all against #1 defenses. I don't expect Leftwich to turn into Kurt Warner circa 1999 and 2000, but I do think he's clearly the best option they have for this season, which is all the coaching staff cares about - because they are all gone if the team doesn't make the playoffs this year.
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JaxBill
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I'm sure that the talk radio shows will be lighting today. I still think that Leftwich is the better of the two extremely mediocre QBs. The disturbing trend that I've noticed this year is Leftwich's knack this year of locking onto receivers. Even when he goes to a second receiver, that receiver is on the same side of the field. He doesn't scan both sides to keep the safeties honest. I noticed it last week when I was at the game and it was evident again last night.
What I think will happen:
JDR stays with Leftwich. He struggles the first half against Tenn as they try to keep the spread formations and a healthy run/pass split. Jack reverts to Plan B and decides to run his two-headed RB at the Titans in the second half.
What I think will happen:
JDR stays with Leftwich. He struggles the first half against Tenn as they try to keep the spread formations and a healthy run/pass split. Jack reverts to Plan B and decides to run his two-headed RB at the Titans in the second half.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
They don't have to have a high 1st round pick to draft a superstar QB. Ever hear of Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees? There are more.I think Garrard proved last season he is not as good as a healthy Leftwich.Mr. Bill O said:
Jiggyonthehut
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