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Bucs release Meshawn (1 Viewer)
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gorf
Footballguy
just thought i'd highlight this issue since it's been lost in all the hubbub.is there any chance he's back this year? if they need to deactivate him for each game (as opposed to the whole season at once), then this is not an irreversible decision, correct? or is it more like the injured reserve, where you know for certain he's done for the year?
Gaylord Focker
Footballguy
buck naked
Footballguy
I don't see his production being affected much, if at all. Keyshawn was pretty much a non-factor. He is slow, and doesn't catch tds. Jurevicious is no worse than him, so assuming Joe J. is healthy, BJ should be fine.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
This could explain alot
Gaylord Focker
Footballguy
If they trade him, do they take any cap hit? Or is it absorbed by the team that takes him?
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Some tidbits from Sal Paolantonio on the Dan Patrick Show...Johnson has missed meetings, he has missed curfews, he has been lining up in the wrong position on the field quite often, he has not been studying the offense(playbook), and he has been a terrible distraction in the locker room spouting off that he won't return in 2004. He also did not fly back with the team after a recent road game.
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Tbone
Shrinkage
She's not wearing any pants.Come on now, I'm trying to get some information here and you have to go an completely distract me from it.oh, by the way, thank you.
Note that the cap hit is spread out of two years if done after June 1. However, reports are that Keyshawn is due a $2M bonus this offseason. If it is before June 1 (very likely), TB may cut him prior to paying the bonus. The cap hit will all hit that year, but at least the $2M bonus will not be in there.
Scary Garys
Footballguy
Maybe Pittman will be the main focus of the offense now 
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:wacko:matrix9280
Footballguy
who the hell does tampax bay think they are to cut a player like keyshawn? there goes there most clutch receiver. their dead now. no playoffs for the bucs.
Genghis Khan
Footballguy
I thought Leon WAS Keshawn.They seemed to have the same attitude. Gruden is reasserting his control over the team. The problem with some teams when they win the Superbowl is they lose the hunger that got them there in the first place. Keyshawn was a distraction. Sometimes you have to shoot deserters to encourage the other soldiers.
BigRed
Footballguy
Amen brutha. Nice dream too, but unfortunately that's all it is. This tard obviously went to great extremes to (finally) get what he deserves, and no way does another POS punk that starts and makes some notable contribution (like TO) get benched, no matter how much they go out of their way to deserve it. Almost all teams/coaches/fans don't care if a guy is a total ####, as long as he produces (more or less). Shame.Luckily, the hideously overpaid Meyawn's production-to-annoyance ratio FINALLY got too close to zero for even a coach's liking, and Gruden was one of the few coaches with the jewels to do something about it. I don't care if Gruden makes $10 mil a year and I'm no Bucs fan, but I'd love to buy him a beer.LMFAO!! Poor Meyawn...couldn't happen to a nicer ----head (pick yer fav word).
Capella
Footballguy
apparently Key was in LA yesterday and missed the mandatory meeting Chucky declared after the game Sunday.That, along with poor play and locker-room insubordination, was the final straw.They gave up two #1 picks for him. This is a major decision they made. I hope they think they can trade him, at least.
matrix9280
Footballguy
:rotflmao: keyshawn just don't give a ####. what's to say that he doesn't just retire. he's always talking about getting out of the game.
Austin Rams Fan
Footballguy
Right, he's Mr. Clutch
More like Mr. Dropsies. Some of the worst hands in the league belong to Meshawn. Maybe you confused him with Joe Jurivicius, now that's a clutch player. He made 2 of the sickest catches I've ever seen in game 1 v Philly. And who can forget his performance in the playoffs v. Philly last year.
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Remus
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My prediction: TB trades Keyshawn to Arizona just to spite him. They get a player they don't even want and cut him immediately.Seriously: Keyshawn is not tradable with the large contract. He will get cut, become a free agent, and then sign someplace for significantly less than $5M a year (less than his current contract). Keyshawn will probably be pissed that he doesn't get nearly as much as Owens (or Boston, Coles, or Price last year).
falconeyed
Footballguy
From the TB press conference, Gruden states that Jurevicius will start at split end. He also made specific mention of Charles Lee, who "will definately get an opportunity to play."Hadn't heard of Charles Lee before. May be worth a look.FYI ... for those not glued to espn news.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
So far, most of the callers on Tampa sports station 620 WDAE are angry at Gruden and supportive of Keyshawn. The feeling is Keyshawn and Gruden did not get along because Keyshawn was not one of Gruden's guys and Gruden made no effort to make sure Keyshawn "got the damn ball". The host Steve Duemig has generally supported Keyshawn's side of it. He "assured" the audience that some of what Rich McKay and Gruden said at the press conference was true but some of it was BS. (Keyshawn has a show with Duemig on the station and they have off-the-record, off-the-air chats). Gruden stated Keyshawn was unhappy with his prior offensive coordinators. Duemig said that was not true and Keyshawn only had a problem with Gruden. Keyshawn felt the ball was not going to him because he and Gruden did not get along. In Keyshawn's defense, all Tampa Bay's previous attempts to bring in a #1 wideout failed (Harper, Emmanuel, Anthony, Green). Keyshawn was the only guy to put up numbers and he was not afraid to go over the middle.
babydemon90
Footballguy
DeActivating Keyshawn is a HUGE mistake! There are all kinds of things you can do with him....if a game is out of hand, call plays that hand the ball off to him and send him straight up the gut, have him return kicks/punts, .....you get the idea 
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MrKlaw
Footballguy
What an idiot. I guess going out of your way to point out that you think Parcells is a better coach in an interview isn't going to the media? Playing like crap and not having your head in the game (two false starts by a WR) isn't really dogging it, but I'd rather him dog it than get open and drop passes or cost the team yards with stupid penaties. As a Buc fan I say good riddance. Hopefully Sapp will be right behind you and the door will hit both of you in the ### on your way to NY you POS media whores. Get some people in who are there to play football and not get their face on TV as much as possible.
taz
Footballguy
Here's a story on the Tampa Tribune's web site:
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Quote from McKay:
''Keyshawn has made it very clear to us that he has no intention of wanting to remain as a Buccaneer beyond the 2003 season, and this approach and his actions are having a negative affect on our football team,'' Bucs GM Rich McKay said in a prepared statement.
''Like every team in the NFL, we are focused on winning football games. From a players' perspective, from a coaches' perspective, from an organizational perspective, this situation has become a distraction. This was an organizational decision in the best interest of winning.
''In talking with Jerome Stanley (Johnson's agent) and Keyshawn, we agreed that it will not be necessary for him to be present at our facility for the remainder of the year.''
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Quote from McKay:
''Keyshawn has made it very clear to us that he has no intention of wanting to remain as a Buccaneer beyond the 2003 season, and this approach and his actions are having a negative affect on our football team,'' Bucs GM Rich McKay said in a prepared statement.
''Like every team in the NFL, we are focused on winning football games. From a players' perspective, from a coaches' perspective, from an organizational perspective, this situation has become a distraction. This was an organizational decision in the best interest of winning.
''In talking with Jerome Stanley (Johnson's agent) and Keyshawn, we agreed that it will not be necessary for him to be present at our facility for the remainder of the year.''
Jayrok
Footballguy
that's odd, you corrected him and missed them both yourself...unless that's what you were going for?
What he really meant was there goes their most clutch receiver.
Meanwhile, somewhere in NY, a smile can be seen on the face of Wayne Chrebet.
Perhaps he will share his apartment with Key in NY?
vinwinephans
Footballguy
The mere fact that he has a show with KJ makes it hard to accpet anything he says as unbaised. Really, if your job was to get good ratings for a show you do with KJ, would you ever criticize KJ, the hand that feeds you?
matrix9280
Footballguy
sure if he can remember where it is.
I hear ya..Ok, lets combine a few pseudo-facts here into some rampant speculation:
-Keyshawn said he'd retire before playing for Gruden in 04.
-Keyshawn is deactivated for missing a mandatory meeting.
-Keyshawn claims to be surprised because he is 'out of town'.
-Keyshawn says he is "Tell everyone I'm in New York looking for apartments"
So my question is, was he looking for apartments before he got deactivated, and was that the point of his trip? If so, that means MeShawn skipped practice to go look for apartments in the city he plans on playing in next year. Not a bad reason to tell a guy to clean out his locker, if it went down that way.
Secondly, does Tampa have a realistic chance of trading him in the offseason? Think about it, whatever team Johnson decides he wants to play for wont trade for him... they know the Bucks have to release him by June or be stuck with him again. Any team that Johnson doesnt want to play for would be nuts/totally incompetant to trade for him. So by my calculations he either gets released or traded to the Lions.
-Keyshawn said he'd retire before playing for Gruden in 04.
-Keyshawn is deactivated for missing a mandatory meeting.
-Keyshawn claims to be surprised because he is 'out of town'.
-Keyshawn says he is "Tell everyone I'm in New York looking for apartments"
So my question is, was he looking for apartments before he got deactivated, and was that the point of his trip? If so, that means MeShawn skipped practice to go look for apartments in the city he plans on playing in next year. Not a bad reason to tell a guy to clean out his locker, if it went down that way.
Secondly, does Tampa have a realistic chance of trading him in the offseason? Think about it, whatever team Johnson decides he wants to play for wont trade for him... they know the Bucks have to release him by June or be stuck with him again. Any team that Johnson doesnt want to play for would be nuts/totally incompetant to trade for him. So by my calculations he either gets released or traded to the Lions.
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Paolontonio on ESPN 2 just said that the Bucs are considering paying Meshawn a $1m bonus next year in order to have rights to him untill the start of next season and thereby guaranteeing that they would get some kind of compensation from any other team considering signing Meshawn...This is kind of telling that the Bucs are gonna try to make an example of Meshawn...sort of looks like they'll be playing hardball with "give me the damn ball"...I would not wanna be in that loudmouth's shoes right now...what you give is what you get, that's how it is in life...it's about time some of these prima donnas in professional sports honored something...$54m contract and creating more havoc in the clubhouse that on the opponents's defenses' is just not gonna cut it around Jon Gruden...I don't have an axe to grind in this issue, I neither like Meshawn or Gruden, nor am I a Bucs fan either...I'm just tired of seeing guys like Meshawn and T.O. behave like idiots while collecting a huge amount of $$$ every week...
Remus
Footballguy
Bucs homer hereCharles Lee looked very good in the preseason, but didn't play in the 1st quarter/half with starting defenses going against him or with the starting offense. I think he will be good, eventually, but I don't think he'll be worth much of anything this season, fantasy-wise.
namath2maynard
Footballguy
Keyshawn was interviewed on WFAN this afternoon. He stated he leaves every Sunday to go visit his kids in LA. (also said he didn't miss any mandatory practice or meeting Monday) For what it's worth Mike and the Maddog (interviewers) thought Keyshawn would end up in Dallas next year at a reduced salary. There was mention of him coming back to the Jets but that was less of a possibility than the Dallas rumour.
Another perspective: Keyshawn is not getting screwed. He is getting paid for the next 6 games to do nothing. If the Bucs give him the roster bonus ($1M or $2M), that is part of his contract and he needs to honor it. But how many people get paid an extra $1M just to do nothing? In theory, TB could pay Keyshawn the rest of his contract, keep in inactive, and Keyshawn doesn't play football for the next 4 years. Is Keyshawn really screwed with $20M+?I still believe Keyshawn is untradable due to his large salary in the coming years ($5M next year). Paying Keyshawn a bonus just adds to the cap hit when TB eventually trades/releases him, so that makes no sense.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
First off let me say I generally take up for players here but K. Johnson is one of the few I will not.The sad fact is that K. Johnson is not getting screwed at all. The Bucs are taking a large hit because they have a jack ### that will not play within the system because he thinks he's better than every one else. He is one of the perfect examples of an athlete who thinks he is the only thing going. you can add T.O. and Warren Sapp to that list. The only way he's getting screwed it that his value has dropped and he will not be as rich an athlete with a big mouth that is a jack ###. Someone earlier compared him to M. Irvin I see a big difference here Irvin BACKED IT UP on the field. Johnson is all mouth no go. As a cowboys fan I PRAY that he does not come to my team. If he does I HOPE that Parcells will put him in his place quickly.
Grilled Cheesehead
Footballguy
There are a number of things that I really dislike about Michael Irvin, but I don't ever recall him being anything but a team guy. I certainly don't remember him complaining about touches.Also, why has the "best coach in the NFL" not been able to get them out of this funk they're in? No way this team should be 4-6.
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Oh but Marv, I totally agree...how could someone be getting screwed and collecting huge amounts of $$$ while at it...these guys have lost perspective...Where he might get screwed is if the Bucs honor his contract by signing the $1m bonus and then ship his #### , along with his venomous mouth to the Arizona desert...then his "passion" for the game would really be put to a test, and that is one scenario I would love to see...The guy wasn't happy in the Metropolis that is NYC, wasn't happy in the Florida tropics with a Super Bowl winner, then maybe he could find his happiness in the Arizona desert with a basement dweller and in close contact with the rattle snakes, perhaps the type of earthly specimens he could better relate to...maybe that's what the Bucs have to offer him..
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