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Bucs turn down Hard Knocks (1 Viewer)

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers decline invite to appear on HBO’s Hard Knocks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/tampa-bay-buccaneers-decline-invite-to-appear-on-hbos-hard-knocks/2011/05/16/AFt8EA5G_story.html

By Associated Press, Published: May 16

TAMPA, Fla. — The Buccaneers have said no to HBO.

Tampa Bay has declined an invitation to be featured on the cable TV network’s next edition of “Hard Knocks,” the team said on its Twitter account Monday.“We have respectfully declined this year’s ‘Hard Knocks’ invitation,” the team announced. “Wonderful show, but the team wants to keep the focus on the field in 2011.”

Tampa Bay went from 3-13 in 2009 to 10-6 last season and has a strong core of young players led by quarterback Josh Freeman, receiver Mike Williams and defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.

“Hard Knocks” won three Sports Emmys for its portrayal of the New York Jets in last year’s series. The show has been on the air intermittently since its debut in 2001 with the Baltimore Ravens.

In subsequent years, the Dallas Cowboys (2002 and 2008), Kansas City Chiefs (2007), Cincinnati Bengals (2009) and Jets have been spotlighted.

“Finding and selecting a team for ‘Hard Knocks’ each year is a process,” HBO spokesman Ray Stallone said. “We remain optimistic.”

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I'd really like to see the Lions on the show

 
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Can you imagine Al Davis offering candid close-up interviews on Hard Knocks? Neither can I. :lmao:

Yes, it’s unlikely, but with Bucs having passed, Raiders should pursue `Hard Knocks’By Jerry McDonald - NFL WriterMonday, May 16th, 2011 at 10:26 am in Oakland Raiders.Chance of this happening? Zero, or something in the ball park.But with the news of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers declining an invitation to be featured on the acclaimed HBO series “Hard Knocks” the Raiders should make it known they’re willing to have their training camp turned into a weekly series.They were reportedly a candidate in March before the Bucs received the offer.The road blocks are painfully obvious.The first is the NFL lockout which could stop the show in its tracks for a year.The next problem is Oakland pretty much operates as a closed shop. A couple of years back, they even took to pinning the media into 20-yard “penalty box” areas after years of allowing reporters to walk freely along the sidelines (staying away from the middle of the two fields where the players congregated).The Raiders’ love for secrecy is legend.Add into it the fact that owner Al Davis doesn’t like to be photographed. Media photographers are told not to be zeroing in on Davis, as are rolling cameras, not to mention invited guests. That doesn’t stop an intrepid photographer from firing off a few shots from a long-range lens, of course, but given that constraint, it would make it difficult to chronicle Davis’ visits to Napa. And those visits would be a huge part of the story, given quarterback Jason Campbell’s comments last week about how the intensity increases with the owner on hand in his golf cart.A lot of those issues can be negotiated, however and the Raiders can have some input into how it would be produced. You never know when Davis will decide to speak, and any time he does, it’s great theater _ some of the best in sports.The Raiders are struggling with a season ticket base in the 23,000 range last year and the lockout can’t be helping things. I know a guy who threatens to give up his tickets every year. Then every year he tells me, “They got me again.”This time, it was because of repeated e-mails and phone calls _ the most contact this ticket holder can remember in terms of salesmanship.This is an organization in need of some national exposure as it promises to get back in the championship chase.What the Raiders really have going for them is coach Hue Jackson. He dominates training camp unlike any coach since Jon Gruden in terms of being vocal, enthusiastic and energetic. He’ll get on players who fall short, talk trash to the defense. This year he’ll be entrusted with the entire team, which ought to make the performance even better. The camera loves him, and Jackson seems to like to have it pointed toward him.When Gruden was head coach, he was a favorite of NFL Films, who were often in Alameda and allowed access very unusual to the organization. How did it happen?Davis left it up to Gruden, and Gruden was secure enough to say yes _ even after a pair of 8-8 seasons.Jackson has yet to do anything wrong, and he doesn’t seem to be lacking in confidence.As for the “penalty box,” that was mostly put in place because of a perception that Bay Area media _ or as Warren Sapp termed “the local yokels” _ has been too critical. Some bigger national outlets get to move more freely if they’re considered more friendly or have a relationship with whoever the coach happens to be in a particular year.If there is an end in sight to the lockout, and the Raiders can sell it, they ought to consider allowing an up close look at Jackson’s “Build a Bully” process.
 
Raiders and Redskins are probably the teams I'd least be interested in.

Lions, Falcons or Philly would be interesting I think.

 
Smartest things the Bucs could have done by declining this. Too young of team and to short of an off-season to have that kind of distraction going on while you are trying to coach up the incoming players and get the rest of your team back in game shape. Wise move to decline.

It will be interesting to see which team bites? My guess is there will be no Hard Knocks this year.

 
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'Raiderfan32904 said:
Raiders are struggling with a season ticket base in the 23,000 range last year
I'd be very interested to see what the numbers are of season ticket holders by team. I am shocked to see a team at 23k. I think Jax would even be higher than that!
 
I love this move by the Bucs...it tells me "we're serious about winning football games".

Good for them.

 
In my opinion this has to be a team on the rise that has at least one proven offensive play maker with a household name - someone that will fetch ratings. It would be great to see a team with a new coaching regime, just to see how things come together in training camp, scrimmages, etc. However, I can't see a team like San Francisco, Carolina or Denver deciding it's in their best interest to agree to such a public outcry.



If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team. Honorable mention - St. Louis, but outside of Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson, they lack a true offensive ego that would draw more ratings. They have a return from injury angle that could showcase both Donnie Avery and Mark Clayton. It would be interesting to see how a potential star in the making like Lance Kendricks would be utilized. I wouldn't be too disappointed if the Rams got the nod.

 
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I'm a little surprised, considering the way the Tampa fanbase has felt about the team and ownership the last two years. But not sure if the HBO show really adds much to locals...and I do like the message they are sending.

 
In my opinion this has to be a team on the rise that has at least one proven offensive play maker with a household name - someone that will fetch ratings. It would be great to see a team with a new coaching regime, just to see how things come together in training camp, scrimmages, etc. However, I can't see a team like San Francisco, Carolina or Denver deciding it's in their best interest to agree to such a public outcry.



If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team. Honorable mention - St. Louis, but outside of Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson, they lack a true offensive ego that would draw more ratings. They have a return from injury angle that could showcase both Donnie Avery and Mark Clayton. It would be interesting to see how a potential star in the making like Lance Kendricks would be utilized. I wouldn't be too disappointed if the Rams got the nod.
:thumbup: DetroitAgree that the Rams don't have the star power to draw much interest right now. Rather see an in depth piece on Bradford than the team at the moment.

Arizona would be fun. Expectations will be higher when the team secures a QB through FA (Kolb/Palmer?) and how the offense will develop. Wisenhunt's 5th season as head coach...emphasis finally on the running game with Ryan Williams, Beanie and Hightower. Fitz return to elite status with an NFL QB under center and a running game to create more opportunities. DRC's mad skillz (the guy can look terrible and great at the same time). Peterson's impact on the defense as a promising rookie.

 
I'm a little surprised, considering the way the Tampa fanbase has felt about the team and ownership the last two years. But not sure if the HBO show really adds much to locals...and I do like the message they are sending.
:confused: Sorry, but how exactly do the Tampa fanbase feel about the Bucs over the last 2 years? How would a national cable premium channel cable show have an effect on locals?
 
In my opinion this has to be a team on the rise that has at least one proven offensive play maker with a household name - someone that will fetch ratings. It would be great to see a team with a new coaching regime, just to see how things come together in training camp, scrimmages, etc. However, I can't see a team like San Francisco, Carolina or Denver deciding it's in their best interest to agree to such a public outcry.



If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team. Honorable mention - St. Louis, but outside of Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson, they lack a true offensive ego that would draw more ratings. They have a return from injury angle that could showcase both Donnie Avery and Mark Clayton. It would be interesting to see how a potential star in the making like Lance Kendricks would be utilized. I wouldn't be too disappointed if the Rams got the nod.
:thumbup: DetroitAgree that the Rams don't have the star power to draw much interest right now. Rather see an in depth piece on Bradford than the team at the moment.

Arizona would be fun. Expectations will be higher when the team secures a QB through FA (Kolb/Palmer?) and how the offense will develop. Wisenhunt's 5th season as head coach...emphasis finally on the running game with Ryan Williams, Beanie and Hightower. Fitz return to elite status with an NFL QB under center and a running game to create more opportunities. DRC's mad skillz (the guy can look terrible and great at the same time). Peterson's impact on the defense as a promising rookie.
If Arizona does get Kolb, which looks more and more likely, you're right, they will have all the tools, especially if Ryan Williams comes as advertised. Fitzgerald would be a great showcase to the show. He would draw ratings in a positive light and cause viewers to appreciate the show more for what it can provide, rather than what it brings. I would be fine with Arizona, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
 
Someone earlier said the Rams. I'd like to see that. I only got to see a couple of games with Sam Bradford, but what I saw from this baby faced QB, Oh my! He's like a young Peyton Manning. I'd love to see the crew follow him around and see what he's doing to develop his game.

 
Falcons or Ravens for me.
I don't think you will see the Ravens for a long time.I would love to see the Steelers obviously but I think they would be the last team to say yes to this.Detroit would be my choice from a non-homer view.
 
Smartest things the Bucs could have done by declining this. Too young of team and to short of an off-season to have that kind of distraction going on while you are trying to coach up the incoming players and get the rest of your team back in game shape. Wise move to decline.It will be interesting to see which team bites? My guess is there will be no Hard Knocks this year.
Detroit would be my choice from a non-homer view.
If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team.
I will be pissed if the Lions do it. The Bucs were right to turn it down, The Lions shouldn't do it for the same reason. A more veteran team that can handle more distractions is the team that should do it. I agree that the Lions would be really good tv and I would definitely watch, of course :homer: , I just hope like hell they don't. I'd rather see them playing in January and February than practicing on HBO.
 
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Smartest things the Bucs could have done by declining this. Too young of team and to short of an off-season to have that kind of distraction going on while you are trying to coach up the incoming players and get the rest of your team back in game shape. Wise move to decline.It will be interesting to see which team bites? My guess is there will be no Hard Knocks this year.
Detroit would be my choice from a non-homer view.
If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team.
I will be pissed if the Lions do it. The Bucs were right to turn it down, The Lions shouldn't do it for the same reason. A more veteran team that can handle more distractions is the team that should do it. I agree that the Lions would be really good tv and I would definitely watch, of course :homer: , I just hope like hell they don't. I'd rather see them playing in January and February than practicing on HBO.
Isn't there a history of teams doing well the season they are featured on hard knocks? Jets made it to the final 4 and had a great season last year.
 
Why does everyone feel that this is a negative. Every team that has been on hard knocks has made the playoffs.

 
Why does everyone feel that this is a negative. Every team that has been on hard knocks has made the playoffs.
:confused:2001 Ravens 10 -6 #5 seed- Lost in Divisional Round to Steelers2002 Cowboys 5- 112007 Chiefs 4-122008 Cowboys 9-72009 Bengals 10-6 Won division lost 37-0 to the Jets in WC round2010 Jets - 11 -5 Lost to Pittsburgh in AFC Championship game.I think a veteran team can handle it.I would say 2 successes, 1 pretty good, and 3 OMG WHY DID THEY DO HARD KNOCKS
 
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Why does everyone feel that this is a negative. Every team that has been on hard knocks has made the playoffs.
:confused:2001 Ravens 10 -6 #5 seed- Lost in Divisional Round to Steelers2002 Cowboys 5- 112007 Chiefs 4-122008 Cowboys 9-72009 Bengals 10-6 Won division lost 37-0 to the Jets in WC round2010 Jets - 11 -5 Lost to Pittsburgh in AFC Championship game.I think a veteran team can handle it.I would say 2 successes, 1 pretty good, and 3 OMG WHY DID THEY DO HARD KNOCKS
I only remembered Cowboys, bengals, and Jets. I did not realize how old the show was.
 
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Raiders are struggling with a season ticket base in the 23,000 range last year
I'd be very interested to see what the numbers are of season ticket holders by team. I am shocked to see a team at 23k. I think Jax would even be higher than that!
2010 home attendance/home game:24 Jacksonville 63,032

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32 Oakland 46,431
Good info, but I was curious about season ticket holder numbers, not average total attendance. My guess is the numbers stay somewhat true, but I would also guess a place like Jax gets more tourist traffic than a place like Oakland (i.e. people popping in for a game).
 
Raiders are struggling with a season ticket base in the 23,000 range last year
I'd be very interested to see what the numbers are of season ticket holders by team. I am shocked to see a team at 23k. I think Jax would even be higher than that!
2010 home attendance/home game:24 Jacksonville 63,032

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32 Oakland 46,431
Good info, but I was curious about season ticket holder numbers, not average total attendance. My guess is the numbers stay somewhat true, but I would also guess a place like Jax gets more tourist traffic than a place like Oakland (i.e. people popping in for a game).
Tourists? In Jacksonville??? Not even the rednicks call this a vacation spot.
 
Raiders are struggling with a season ticket base in the 23,000 range last year
I'd be very interested to see what the numbers are of season ticket holders by team. I am shocked to see a team at 23k. I think Jax would even be higher than that!
2010 home attendance/home game:24 Jacksonville 63,032

....

32 Oakland 46,431
Good info, but I was curious about season ticket holder numbers, not average total attendance. My guess is the numbers stay somewhat true, but I would also guess a place like Jax gets more tourist traffic than a place like Oakland (i.e. people popping in for a game).
Tourists? In Jacksonville??? Not even the rednicks call this a vacation spot.
LOL...I thought I may need to clarify when I posted...it is on the way to Disney and Universal.
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
'gump said:
I'm a little surprised, considering the way the Tampa fanbase has felt about the team and ownership the last two years. But not sure if the HBO show really adds much to locals...and I do like the message they are sending.
:confused: Sorry, but how exactly do the Tampa fanbase feel about the Bucs over the last 2 years? How would a national cable premium channel cable show have an effect on locals?
The fanbase turned on the Glazers...built up then finally hammered down by the attendance dip. I think an HBO show adds a little (like I said).....attendance at camp obviously spikes, maybe a little regular season boost....but I doubt much.The more important thing here to me is that it looks as if the Glazers have gone back to their 90's mindset that the best way to make money is to win....and listen to your football people....no question Rah/Dom voted this down.
 
The fanbase turned on the Glazers...built up then finally hammered down by the attendance dip. I think an HBO show adds a little (like I said).....attendance at camp obviously spikes, maybe a little regular season boost....but I doubt much.The more important thing here to me is that it looks as if the Glazers have gone back to their 90's mindset that the best way to make money is to win....and listen to your football people....no question Rah/Dom voted this down.
I see where you are going. But I don't think the fanbase consciously decided to turn on the Glazers. For the most part, Tampa fanbase is a fickle one. After they won the SB, the Glazers went back into cheap mode, and the fans just stayed home. It's not anything particular to football. Really that is the way it is for all of the pro sports in Tampa. Attendance was down last year and I don't know what the forecasts is for next year, but I doubt it's promising even coming off a 10 win season. There are a lot of cities who would love to have a team like the Bucs, but they go un-appreciated there. :shrug:
 
I think any team that would get derailed by the Hard Knocks crew in August isn't a team to be worried about anyway, so I'd love to see my team on there. The Raiders are so secretive, and any time Al got some face time, it would surely be worth watching.

I'd like to see San Fran. They are at an interesting place right now.

The Redskins are in such turmoil, it'd be great to see the McNabb and Haynesworth things play out on TV.

 
The fanbase turned on the Glazers...built up then finally hammered down by the attendance dip. I think an HBO show adds a little (like I said).....attendance at camp obviously spikes, maybe a little regular season boost....but I doubt much.The more important thing here to me is that it looks as if the Glazers have gone back to their 90's mindset that the best way to make money is to win....and listen to your football people....no question Rah/Dom voted this down.
I see where you are going. But I don't think the fanbase consciously decided to turn on the Glazers. For the most part, Tampa fanbase is a fickle one. After they won the SB, the Glazers went back into cheap mode, and the fans just stayed home. It's not anything particular to football. Really that is the way it is for all of the pro sports in Tampa. Attendance was down last year and I don't know what the forecasts is for next year, but I doubt it's promising even coming off a 10 win season. There are a lot of cities who would love to have a team like the Bucs, but they go un-appreciated there.
The Bucs still averaged 100% capacity until '09, when Gruden was fired for getting pi$$ed that the ownership was going into cheap mode.The Glazers went to cheap mode, then the attendance dropped to 75% last year.I've been a season-ticket holder for 15 years...Bucs fan for 30.....I don't recall the negativity ever being like it was the last 2 years....even in the mid-80s.
 
The fanbase turned on the Glazers...built up then finally hammered down by the attendance dip. I think an HBO show adds a little (like I said).....attendance at camp obviously spikes, maybe a little regular season boost....but I doubt much.The more important thing here to me is that it looks as if the Glazers have gone back to their 90's mindset that the best way to make money is to win....and listen to your football people....no question Rah/Dom voted this down.
I see where you are going. But I don't think the fanbase consciously decided to turn on the Glazers. For the most part, Tampa fanbase is a fickle one. After they won the SB, the Glazers went back into cheap mode, and the fans just stayed home. It's not anything particular to football. Really that is the way it is for all of the pro sports in Tampa. Attendance was down last year and I don't know what the forecasts is for next year, but I doubt it's promising even coming off a 10 win season. There are a lot of cities who would love to have a team like the Bucs, but they go un-appreciated there.
The Bucs still averaged 100% capacity until '09, when Gruden was fired for getting pi$$ed that the ownership was going into cheap mode.The Glazers went to cheap mode, then the attendance dropped to 75% last year.I've been a season-ticket holder for 15 years...Bucs fan for 30.....I don't recall the negativity ever being like it was the last 2 years....even in the mid-80s.
It's good to get a feel for what it used to be like. I hear from Buc fans and former season ticket holders that attendance used to be great. Then they fired Gruden and a lot people bought into the Bucs being a rebuilding team. I moved here before the Buce started 9-3 under Gruden and back then there was a love fest. But when they failed to make the playoffs, you could feel the resentment. I couldn't believe they'd fire Gruden. And the media in this town hates the Glazers. This is my viewpoint, from a fan of another team that happens to live in the Tampa area.
 
Gumo is correct. Fans in this area are pretty stupid though.

And broke, for the large part. But mainly stupid. I bet you see a big spike in attendance this year.

 
Smartest things the Bucs could have done by declining this. Too young of team and to short of an off-season to have that kind of distraction going on while you are trying to coach up the incoming players and get the rest of your team back in game shape. Wise move to decline.It will be interesting to see which team bites? My guess is there will be no Hard Knocks this year.
Detroit would be my choice from a non-homer view.
If I had to vote, I would choose Detroit. The Lions have made some big strides lately with the draft and are continuing to gain respect around the league. They have several faces that people would want to see - Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley. They are in the blue collar Great Lakes region, which seems to draw interest from a lot of Americans. I can totally see Detroit being this year's Hard Knocks team.
I will be pissed if the Lions do it. The Bucs were right to turn it down, The Lions shouldn't do it for the same reason. A more veteran team that can handle more distractions is the team that should do it. I agree that the Lions would be really good tv and I would definitely watch, of course :homer: , I just hope like hell they don't. I'd rather see them playing in January and February than practicing on HBO.
Isn't there a history of teams doing well the season they are featured on hard knocks? Jets made it to the final 4 and had a great season last year.
I recall being concerned when the Jets said yes and looked. More often than not, the teams featured do ok, IIRC. Only reinforced by the success of the aforementioned Jets last year.
 
The Texans owner campaigned hard to get "Hard Knocks" last year but the Jets were chosen over them. However, they were coming off a 9-7 season where they just missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker as opposed to a disappointing 6-10 this past season. Maybe they are still interested though?

 
Raiders and Redskins are probably the teams I'd least be interested in.Lions, Falcons or Philly would be interesting I think.
The show is awesome no matter who they pick. The bengals a few years ago proved that. They showed some old episodes of the Ravens year a few months back on NFL Network and they were still infinitely watchable. They can't make a bad selection because one doesn't exist.
 
Why are Bucs fans pissed? The team just went 10-6 and is clearly on the upswing.

sounds like a bunch of whining to me

 
Why does everyone feel that this is a negative. Every team that has been on hard knocks has made the playoffs.
:confused: 2001 Ravens 10 -6 #5 seed- Lost in Divisional Round to Steelers

2002 Cowboys 5- 11

2007 Chiefs 4-12

2008 Cowboys 9-7

2009 Bengals 10-6 Won division lost 37-0 to the Jets in WC round2010 Jets - 11 -5 Lost to Pittsburgh in AFC Championship game.

I think a veteran team can handle it.

I would say 2 successes, 1 pretty good, and 3 OMG WHY DID THEY DO HARD KNOCKS
I was at this game and I can assure you that this did not happen. Maybe you are thinking about the score from that regular season game where Cincy sat everyone and got crushed.
 
I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that the Broncos also turned it down and Detroit players voted not to do it (though no confirmation that they were invited to do the show).

Personally, I'd like to see the Bills do it. I think they could take it to another level and get into the business-side of the NFL (i.e. how a small market team is doing) and also give a little boost to the team exposure-wise on a national level.

 
I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that the Broncos also turned it down and Detroit players voted not to do it (though no confirmation that they were invited to do the show).Personally, I'd like to see the Bills do it. I think they could take it to another level and get into the business-side of the NFL (i.e. how a small market team is doing) and also give a little boost to the team exposure-wise on a national level.
Actually, the Bills makes a lot of sense - for the reasons you already gave, plus Stevie "The Show" Johnson will manufacture ratings on his pizazz alone. As a former Bills season ticket holder (back in the K-Gun days), I would love to see Buffalo get more exposure.
 
'cheese said:
Why does everyone feel that this is a negative. Every team that has been on hard knocks has made the playoffs.
:confused: 2001 Ravens 10 -6 #5 seed- Lost in Divisional Round to Steelers

2002 Cowboys 5- 11

2007 Chiefs 4-12

2008 Cowboys 9-7

2009 Bengals 10-6 Won division lost 37-0 to the Jets in WC round2010 Jets - 11 -5 Lost to Pittsburgh in AFC Championship game.

I think a veteran team can handle it.

I would say 2 successes, 1 pretty good, and 3 OMG WHY DID THEY DO HARD KNOCKS
I was at this game and I can assure you that this did not happen. Maybe you are thinking about the score from that regular season game where Cincy sat everyone and got crushed.
Sorry looked at wrong week, they lost 24-14.Still not sure where the talk of every team did well is coming from :shrug:

 

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