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mlbnfl
Footballguy
Was saying the same thing. Great in pass coverage.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
I've contemplated taking him for the past few rounds but kept passing on him due to age. Sounds like I made the right call to finally pull the trigger on him. He's the Redskin's first linebacker and he really is the last guy I'd feel comfortable with at middle linebacker.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
The Redskins so far:
Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB
Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Bennett, Martellus CHI TE
clady, ryan DEN LT
whitworth, andrew CIN LG
dietrich-smith, evan GBP C
warford, larry DET RG
glenn, cordy BUF RT
Griffen, Everson MIN DE
Short, Kawann CAR DT
Hicks, Akiem NOS DT
Coples, Quinton NYJ DE
Smith, Daryl BAL MLB
Brock, Tramaine SFO CB
Scandrick, Orlando DAL CB
Thoughts on my Redskins after 16 picks? I have my offensive core setup and have two starting spots left. I still have a ton of running backs on my board I'd be happy with and I envision my last offensive spot being filled by different role players. Defensively, I feel like I have a good chance at being not-disastrous and perhaps even average. My defensive line is composed of young, emerging talents. I have a smart, solid middle linebacker who excels in coverage. I have two solid corners who aren't great but they won't kill me. Is my defense as not-awful as I think it would be?
Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB
Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Bennett, Martellus CHI TE
clady, ryan DEN LT
whitworth, andrew CIN LG
dietrich-smith, evan GBP C
warford, larry DET RG
glenn, cordy BUF RT
Griffen, Everson MIN DE
Short, Kawann CAR DT
Hicks, Akiem NOS DT
Coples, Quinton NYJ DE
Smith, Daryl BAL MLB
Brock, Tramaine SFO CB
Scandrick, Orlando DAL CB
Thoughts on my Redskins after 16 picks? I have my offensive core setup and have two starting spots left. I still have a ton of running backs on my board I'd be happy with and I envision my last offensive spot being filled by different role players. Defensively, I feel like I have a good chance at being not-disastrous and perhaps even average. My defensive line is composed of young, emerging talents. I have a smart, solid middle linebacker who excels in coverage. I have two solid corners who aren't great but they won't kill me. Is my defense as not-awful as I think it would be?
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
Glad to get Jernigan to round out our 3 wide set with Michael Floyd and Roddy White. When given a chance to play, he looked really explosive. Young and improving.
Could have been a little early for him, but I wanted to make sure I nabbed him.
Could have been a little early for him, but I wanted to make sure I nabbed him.
FUBAR
Footballguy
As he's your top LB, that makes sense. I haven't taken MLBs yet but whomever we get will have good support either next to him with Mayo or Church behind him. So there are a few guys left that I'm comfortable with. FWIW, I took Smith in the 19th last year and he was a steal. He's good value here.
Your offense is very good, giving Rodgers time to throw and Thomas / DJax will make the plays.
Your defense will be below average with some potential. Your DLine is made up of guys who benefit a lot from their surrounding talent in real life but you aren't able to give them that here. Corners are suspect and I'm not seeing much of a pass rush to hurry the opposing QB. You can still improve it for sure, but I think your D is a bottom 10 right now. But then, your offense is top 10, so it sort of balances out.
Nice pick with Jernigan...I considered him this past round but I thought he'd be available for me in the next round. The sample size is a bit small, but he definitely did look good when given a chance at the end of last season.
mlbnfl
Footballguy
Fubar (or anyone else) I wouldn't mind thoughts on my roster as well. Truth be told, Im left feeling rather underwhelmed by what I have accomplished so far, at times feeling I took guys who had a decent chance at falling two rounds to my next picks while guys I should've taken had no chance of making it back. Hopefully my D would be strong enough to keep the team in games in a real life league, but Im even questioning how good my D can be. Hopefully Im being too critical of my first attempt at this and less right at being very average lol.
QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Alfred Morris
WR: Pierre Garcon
OT: Riley Reiff
OG: John Greco
C : Rodney Hudson
DE: Ezekiel Ansah
NT: Marcell Dareus
MLB: Brandon Spikes
OLB: Aldon Smith
OLB: Terrell Suggs
CB: Lardarius Webb
CB: Casey Hayward
FS: Louis Delmas
SS: Aaron Williams
QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Alfred Morris
WR: Pierre Garcon
OT: Riley Reiff
OG: John Greco
C : Rodney Hudson
DE: Ezekiel Ansah
NT: Marcell Dareus
MLB: Brandon Spikes
OLB: Aldon Smith
OLB: Terrell Suggs
CB: Lardarius Webb
CB: Casey Hayward
FS: Louis Delmas
SS: Aaron Williams
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Your offense is going to be rough. Big fan of Garcon and you stole Greco from me
but otherwise, points will be hard to come by.Right now it's hard to evaluate offense with holes on the line. I'm having the same challenge with my Titans, which makes me like my Lions a lot more (for now).
Your D looks good IMO. Strong up the middle, good pass rush, good corners. Should keep most teams to low scores.
Curious to see how you fill your team out, you're older than I'd like to be but that could pay off in the short term.
I like to see drafter's plans and yours and Auger's are fairly clear, as far as what side of the ball you focused on. It's not really clear what you plan your offense to do.
I don't know that I'd call my Lions better, but my plan (at least on offense) is clearer. With Brown, Bushrod, Warmack and SItton I will have a good running game. Wheaton, Crabtree and Reed each excel at different levels in the passing tree and will keep the defense spread. It would have been a waste to not get Flacco a downfield threat but he also loves his TE. On D, the line of Johnson-Atkins-Marks-Clowney is strong, Ayers provides a pass rush from OLB, Church did well mopping up the messy Dallas D on the run, while Munnerlyn and Logan did fairly well in coverage. But, I still have holes to fill. We all do.
mlbnfl
Footballguy
Yeah offense is going to be an issue. At times I passed on WR and Oline thinking guys would make it back only for them to really have no chance and not even make it half way. Hoping to be able to make up for that but there isn't a ton of talent floating around at my positions of need.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
So far:
QB: Russell Wilson
RB: Andre Ellington
WR: Michael Floyd
WR: Roddy White
WR: Jerel Jernigan
TE:
LT: Jason Peters
LG:
C:
RG: Donald Thomas
RT: Bryan Bulaga
Defense (3-4)
DE: Randy Starks
DT: Barry Cofield
DE: Fletcher Cox
OLB:
ILB:
ILB: Dont'a Hightower
OLB: Justin Houston
CB: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
CB:
SS: Tyvon Branch
FS: Malcolm Jenkins
Not a bad start through 16 rounds. Feel like I have a pretty solid offense with pretty solid trio of WRs for waiting pretty long to pick 1. Obviously White is older, but I think he still has a few solid years left. At that point, either Jernigan will step up or we will go a different direction. Peters/Bulaga is a solid duo at T, while we still need to address LG and C. I liked grabbing Ellington at RB as he is a player on the rise. Young and explosive (Will be important to grab a solid backup as well). Obviously, we need to address TE as well. At this point though, I may feel more comfortable targeting a TE in the draft.
Really like this defense so far. Feel like Starks/Cofield/Cox is a really good D-Line. Will be important to find a run stopper to pair with Cofield given that he did struggle in the run game last season, but was an excellent pass rusher. Obviously, Justin Houston is an elite pass rusher. In addition, I really believe Hightower can serve well as the "captain" of our defense. DRC is a rock-solid corner and Branch/Jenkins are a pretty good safety duo. Jenkins has some versatility as far as playing in multiple positions which could come in handy.
Even with this being said, it's still really hard to judge these teams with only 16 picks completed.
Any thoughts so far?
QB: Russell Wilson
RB: Andre Ellington
WR: Michael Floyd
WR: Roddy White
WR: Jerel Jernigan
TE:
LT: Jason Peters
LG:
C:
RG: Donald Thomas
RT: Bryan Bulaga
Defense (3-4)
DE: Randy Starks
DT: Barry Cofield
DE: Fletcher Cox
OLB:
ILB:
ILB: Dont'a Hightower
OLB: Justin Houston
CB: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
CB:
SS: Tyvon Branch
FS: Malcolm Jenkins
Not a bad start through 16 rounds. Feel like I have a pretty solid offense with pretty solid trio of WRs for waiting pretty long to pick 1. Obviously White is older, but I think he still has a few solid years left. At that point, either Jernigan will step up or we will go a different direction. Peters/Bulaga is a solid duo at T, while we still need to address LG and C. I liked grabbing Ellington at RB as he is a player on the rise. Young and explosive (Will be important to grab a solid backup as well). Obviously, we need to address TE as well. At this point though, I may feel more comfortable targeting a TE in the draft.
Really like this defense so far. Feel like Starks/Cofield/Cox is a really good D-Line. Will be important to find a run stopper to pair with Cofield given that he did struggle in the run game last season, but was an excellent pass rusher. Obviously, Justin Houston is an elite pass rusher. In addition, I really believe Hightower can serve well as the "captain" of our defense. DRC is a rock-solid corner and Branch/Jenkins are a pretty good safety duo. Jenkins has some versatility as far as playing in multiple positions which could come in handy.
Even with this being said, it's still really hard to judge these teams with only 16 picks completed.
Any thoughts so far?
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RBM
Footballguy
Dolphins spot check
QB Cam Newton
RB Ryan Mathews
WR Dez Bryant
WR Dwayne Bowe
TE Travis Kelce
LT Jared Veldheer
LG
C
RG David DeCastro
RT Joe Barksdale
DE Charles Johnson
DT Michael Brockers
DT Corey Liuget
DE Andre Branch
OLB
MLB Nick Roach
OLB
CB Antonio Cromartie
CB Buster Skrine
SS
FS Reshad Jones
Think I've got a pretty balanced team going. Offense will definitely score some points with Cam and Dez featured. Worried about the interior of my line, although I think DeCastro will be a top guard for a long time.
Like my D line a lot. Branch, Brockers and Liuget all are young and talented. Johnson a proven double digit sack guy. All starts up front imo.
QB Cam Newton
RB Ryan Mathews
WR Dez Bryant
WR Dwayne Bowe
TE Travis Kelce
LT Jared Veldheer
LG
C
RG David DeCastro
RT Joe Barksdale
DE Charles Johnson
DT Michael Brockers
DT Corey Liuget
DE Andre Branch
OLB
MLB Nick Roach
OLB
CB Antonio Cromartie
CB Buster Skrine
SS
FS Reshad Jones
Think I've got a pretty balanced team going. Offense will definitely score some points with Cam and Dez featured. Worried about the interior of my line, although I think DeCastro will be a top guard for a long time.
Like my D line a lot. Branch, Brockers and Liuget all are young and talented. Johnson a proven double digit sack guy. All starts up front imo.
Everyone else is doing it...
Philadelphia Eagles
Manning, Peyton DEN QB
Boldin, Anquan SFO WR
Jones, James GBP WR
Welker, Wes DEN WR
* castonzo, anthony IN
* collins, anthony CI
Wilfork, Vince NEP DT (Q
Smith, Justin SFO DE
Hali, Tamba KCC LB
Bowman, Navorro SFO LB (Q)
Johnson, Derrick KCC LB
Worilds, Jason PIT LB
Williams, Cary PHI CB
Clemons, Chris MIA S
Pollard, Bernard TEN
I'm very happy with how my team is shaping up. It's a bit older than most teams, but it looks like most teams drafted young and I took what pieces fell to me. I think these guys will also be valuable in the locker room and will affect who I pick later on.
I hope Peyton has more than one season left. I'm happy grabbing Welker as his underneath quick guy. I love Boldin as a football player. He's not the fastest guy, but he can move the chains and loves to block. James Jones was picked because I thought I needed 3 pass catchers in a Peyton offense and I saw a significant talent drop off after Jones.
We went after bookend tackles and have not focused on the interior line yet. I think it's fairly obvious why: Peyton is going to be throwing the ball. Most of our running plays will be out of the shotgun from more of a surprise than anything else. Interior line and running back are usually after thoughts in Peyton-led offenses. This lack of focus will probably hurt us big time when Peyton retires.
I'm running a 3-4 defense and I'm very happy with the guys who fell to us. I am a fan of a #### LeBeau-ish linebacker 3-4 defense. I love linebackers who can rush the passer from all 4 spots and drop into coverage as necessary. Worilds has experience in this defense and I believe Hali can drop back as necessary as well. Bowman and Johnson are do it all middle linebackers who have both played in the 3-4.
When I think of nose tackles, I think of Wilfork. He's been anchoring the Pats' defense for quite a while. Justin Smith is also the prototype 3-4 defensive end. I think he went in the 2nd or 3rd round last year and I got him at a significant deal this year (although he is 34!!).
I like Carey Williams as a tough corner with swagger. Although he didn't rate too highly this year of PFF, I think that's more of an indictment of Philadelphia's safeties than anything else. Also, I wanted an enforcer and a center fielder in my safeties and I thnk I accomplished that with Pollard and Clemons, respectively.
This defense is built to stop the run and rush the passer. We focused on the front seven and not the DB's early on, so hopefully, we can get pressure and succeed in this pass happy league.
Like every team so far, we have pros and cons. I think our biggest con is the average age of this team. The second is that there's no clear plan yet when Peyton retires.
Hopefully we'll get some young physical talent that can grow and learn from our veterans in the next dozen or so rounds, and then step up in a few years with a next man up mentality. If some of our veterans can play a few more years, 3-4 more, I think it will give us a great chance to draft young talent, patch holes in free agency, and continue to compete.
Philadelphia Eagles
Manning, Peyton DEN QB
Boldin, Anquan SFO WR
Jones, James GBP WR
Welker, Wes DEN WR
* castonzo, anthony IN
* collins, anthony CI
Wilfork, Vince NEP DT (Q
Smith, Justin SFO DE
Hali, Tamba KCC LB
Bowman, Navorro SFO LB (Q)
Johnson, Derrick KCC LB
Worilds, Jason PIT LB
Williams, Cary PHI CB
Clemons, Chris MIA S
Pollard, Bernard TEN
I'm very happy with how my team is shaping up. It's a bit older than most teams, but it looks like most teams drafted young and I took what pieces fell to me. I think these guys will also be valuable in the locker room and will affect who I pick later on.
I hope Peyton has more than one season left. I'm happy grabbing Welker as his underneath quick guy. I love Boldin as a football player. He's not the fastest guy, but he can move the chains and loves to block. James Jones was picked because I thought I needed 3 pass catchers in a Peyton offense and I saw a significant talent drop off after Jones.
We went after bookend tackles and have not focused on the interior line yet. I think it's fairly obvious why: Peyton is going to be throwing the ball. Most of our running plays will be out of the shotgun from more of a surprise than anything else. Interior line and running back are usually after thoughts in Peyton-led offenses. This lack of focus will probably hurt us big time when Peyton retires.
I'm running a 3-4 defense and I'm very happy with the guys who fell to us. I am a fan of a #### LeBeau-ish linebacker 3-4 defense. I love linebackers who can rush the passer from all 4 spots and drop into coverage as necessary. Worilds has experience in this defense and I believe Hali can drop back as necessary as well. Bowman and Johnson are do it all middle linebackers who have both played in the 3-4.
When I think of nose tackles, I think of Wilfork. He's been anchoring the Pats' defense for quite a while. Justin Smith is also the prototype 3-4 defensive end. I think he went in the 2nd or 3rd round last year and I got him at a significant deal this year (although he is 34!!).
I like Carey Williams as a tough corner with swagger. Although he didn't rate too highly this year of PFF, I think that's more of an indictment of Philadelphia's safeties than anything else. Also, I wanted an enforcer and a center fielder in my safeties and I thnk I accomplished that with Pollard and Clemons, respectively.
This defense is built to stop the run and rush the passer. We focused on the front seven and not the DB's early on, so hopefully, we can get pressure and succeed in this pass happy league.
Like every team so far, we have pros and cons. I think our biggest con is the average age of this team. The second is that there's no clear plan yet when Peyton retires.
Hopefully we'll get some young physical talent that can grow and learn from our veterans in the next dozen or so rounds, and then step up in a few years with a next man up mentality. If some of our veterans can play a few more years, 3-4 more, I think it will give us a great chance to draft young talent, patch holes in free agency, and continue to compete.
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AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
My grading scale is the following:mlbnfl said:
A+ = Elite level
A = Top tier starter/unit
B = Good starter/unit
C = Adequate starter/unit
D = Below average starter or potentially useful role player
E = Poor starter/unit
The grades I give are projected grades which is based both on who you currently have and also the level of player you are likely to get with the remainder of the veteran draft.
First off, based on how you listed your defensive players, it sounds like you are planning on playing 3-4. However, Ansah is much too light and isn't a 3-4 DE. In my opinion, it would make the most sense to play 4-3 with Suggs/Ansah as DE and Smith in a Von Miller-esque role.
QB - C-. Palmer isn't going to be what will hold your offense back but he's not good enough to carry an offense on his own at this point in his career.
RB - C+. Assuming your defense keeps you in games, Morris will be the engine to your offense and I can see him giving you 300-350 solid carries. Morris isn't what I would consider a home-run threat and his game is a bit one dimensional which is why I am giving him a C+. As a pure runner though, he's a B level player.
WR - D. Garcon is a lower end WR1 who I'd give an individual grade a B. However, looking at the remaining talent at receiver, I don't see how you can move this grade above a D+ in the veteran draft. Depending on how the rest of the draft plays out, I can see this grade dropping even lower though.
TE - ?
OL - C. I'd actually give your 3 drafted players each a B-. I foresee this grade dropping to a C with your two remaining picks though.
DL - B. Dareus is an A level player. I'm not including Ansah in this grade as I don't see him as a "DL" player and will be counting him as an edge defender.
Edge Defender - A. Smith is an elite A+ player. Suggs and Ansah are both B to B+ level players.
LB - C+/B-. Spikes is an absolute beast against the run and is a B+ level player. Assuming you address your second LB spot in a reasonable manner, I predict an above average to good unit.
CB - B+. Webb coming off an injury had a down year. He played like a B level player but historically has been an A level player. Pre-injury, I'd have given Hayward a B+ grade but it remains to be seen how he'll come back from injury. Both players have the potential to be A level players.
Safety - C+/B-. I wouldn't consider either players to be strengths but they definitely aren't liabilities.
I'd say on offense, I'd give your unit overall a D. You have some solid pieces to your offense but no top tier players who really scare a defense. I give your defense a B+ overall. Your two corners are very good players and you should be able to get pressure from the edges and interior.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
If possible, I'd be interested to see a similar breakdown on my team I posted earlier this morning. It's always nice to see a different opinion. This is also my first time drafting a team of this nature.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Same grading criteria:
QB - A-/B+. I'd say he's currently a B+ player but has the potential to be an A level (elite) player.
RB - B-. I'm a big fan of Ellington so this grade may be a bit high. He's probably not going to be able to carry the full load but as part of a committee when used right, he is as big a home run threat as any other RB in the league.
WR - C+/B-. Floyd has the potential and physical tools to be an A player. I'd give the current Floyd a B. I'd give White a B- and Jernigan a C-. Overall, this is a very solid core.
TE - ?
OL - B? - Peters is a solid A player and is one of the best in the league. Bulaga pre-injury was one of the top 5-10 best right tackles. Donald Thomas was a solid guard pre-injury. It's tough to give a grade on this unit because it's unknown how well Bulaga/Thomas come back from injuries. For now I'll give this unit a B but this grade could change drastically based on injury news.
DL - B. Cofield and Starks have been in the league long enough that you know what you are getting with them. Cox is an up-and-coming talent and could raise this grade based on his development and growth.
Edge - B. Houston is elite and regardless of who you choose to pair him up with on the otherside, I can't see this grade dropping below a B. I don't see this grade going above a B+ simply because of how many edge defenders have been drafted so far.
LB - C+. Hightower is a B level player but I think the LB position is really thinning out. I'm going to guess you are able to pair him up with a C level player bringing your overall grade to a C+/B-.
CB - C+. DRC has been inconsistent and is a wildcard in my mind. I can see this grade changing based on how early/late you address this position.
Safety - C+. I'm a big fan of Tyvon Branch and thought he'd fall more. I really wanted to nab him myself. Malcolm Jenkins... I just don't see what people see in him at this point. He has first round pedigree but I personally would not want him starting on my defense.
Overall I give your offense a B+. If your offensive lineman come back healthy and Roddy White can find the fountain of youth, then I can see it being an A unit. On the other hand, if things go poorly, I can see this unit being a B-/C+ unit also. Defensively, I give your team a B-. Your front 7 is a good mix of proven players and youth. I can see your defensive backfield being picked on potentially by elite offenses.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
QB - B+/A-. See my comment on Wilson in my last team spot check.
RB - B. When healthy he's a B+/A- player. I have doubts that he can stay healthy though.
WR - A-. Bryant is an A+ player when he's hot but he is susceptible to being streaky. Bowe is a solid B- player and I think would benefit from being a WR2 and should benefit from not seeing the defense's best corner.
TE - C?. Kelce dealt with injuries in his rookie year. He is an unknown so I'm giving him a C grade. He has a high upside but a low floor also. When we look back on this in a year, Kelce may be as high as a B+ player and as low as a D player.
OL - C+/B-. Veldheer (B+) is a left tackle you can be comfortable with for years. The same can be said about DeCastro (B). I honestly don't know much about Barksdale. The Rams aren't a team I really follow much.
DL - C+ with potential to be a B. Brockers and Liuget are both solid players with significant upside.
Edge - B. Johnson is a stud (A). Branch... I wouldn't want to start him for my teams.
LB - D+. I had Roach last year and kept up with him somewhat last year as a result. He was an adequate player but he was definitely not a strength. I'd give him a C- grade.
CB - C. Cromartie is a solid corner (B) but Skrine wasn't on my radar at all as a potential starter. Maybe it's an oversight on my part but for now I'd give him a D grade.
S - B. Jones is a good starter and this grade is still tentative as it depends on who you pair him up with.
Overall, I give your offense a B+ with the potential to be an A. Cam and Dez are both scary athletes with tremendous upside. How well this offense would perform hinges on those two players. Defensively, I'd give you a C. You have some good pieces but you also have some gaping holes from my perspective.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
QB - A+ until Peyton retires.
RB - ?
WR - C. In isolation, this group isn't that impressive. However, I believe Peyton will raise the perceived value of these players to a B+ level.
TE - ?
OL - C-/D+. Collins and Castonzo are both C+/B- players. You still need 3 starters and OL is starting to get thin. I do think Peyton and his adjustments will raise the perceived value of this unit to a B at least though.
DL - B+. This grade assumes Wilfork returns to form. Both Wilfork and Smith are very strong players when healthy. I have no complaints besides age with these two players.
Edge - B. Hali is an A level player. Worilds is a C level player.
LB - A+. Two elite level players. The only concern is Bowman's injury.
CB - C-/D. This group could be perceived to be better than it actually is based on the strength of your front 7.
S - B-. The duo compliments each other well and both are solid players. Like with your CBs, because of the strength of your front 7, this unit could be perceived to be better than it actually is.
Overall, Peyon makes this offense no worse than an A-. However once he retires, I think you're in big trouble. Defensively, you have a very strong front 7 with multiple elite players. The front 7 could really cover the deficiencies in your defensive backfield. Assuming Wilfork and Bowman return to pre-injury form, you have a B+ level defense I think. This team is OLD and in 3 years I can see this being one of the worst teams in the league. For the 2014 season, this is one of the best teams in the league assuming Wilfork and Bowman are fine.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Going by the format I used to grade other teams, how I grade my team so far.AwesomeAuger said:
QB - A+. Rodgers is truly elite.
RB - ?
WR - A-. Demaryius is a solid A. Jackson is a B+.
TE - B+. Bennett is good in every facet of the game and has the speed to attack the seam.
OL - A+. Clady (pre-injury), Whitworth, Warford are all A level players. Glenn is a B+ and Dietrich-Smith is a B with upside for more. I think I have the best OL in the league by far.
DL - C+/B-. Short and Hicks are both young, solid players with upside for more. For now, I'd give them both a C+/B- rating but can see both being a B at least in a year.
Edge - C-. Griffen and Coples have upside to be monsters but for now are both C level players. Coples is much better when he doesn't have to play standing up as a linebacker and Griffen should finally get a full time starting role next season. Both have the potential to be B players.
LB - C-. I have a B grade for Smith but my other linebackers bring this grade down.
CB - C+. Brock and Scandrick both have limited resumes but both played well last year. I'm optimistic they can build on what they showed last year.
S - ?
Overall, I think I have the best offense in the league and it's not even close. I give my offense an A+. Of course, that opinion is biased. I don't want people underestimating how good my OL should be though.
I think my defense will be a D+/C- after the vet draft. I hope to bolster it in the rookie draft and raise the final grade to a C. I do think my defense should benefit from the pressure that my offense puts on other teams. Coaches game planning against the Redskins should be thinking they have to score at least 30 to win.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
The Saints so far:
Brady, Tom NEP QB
Hartline, Brian MIA WR
Davis, Vernon SFO TE
Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
monroe, eugene BAL LT
fusco, brandon MIN LG
herremans, todd PHI RG
schwartz, mitchell CLE RT
Knighton, Terrance DEN DT
McDonald, Ray SFO DT
Cole, Trent PHI DE
Sheard, Jabaal CLE DE
Tulloch, Stephen DET LB
Lewis, Keenan NOS CB
Moore, William ATL S
QB - A. Maybe Brady isn't in his prime anymore but he's still a top tier quarterback.
RB - ?
WR - D. Hartline is a C+/B-. The pickings are slim though. It's no secret that I will be looking to address WR in the draft early.
TE - A+. Two studs who are mismatches. Vernon Davis is an elite blocker and Graham is more than adequate as one. Both have WR speed and should be matchup nightmares.
OL - B+. Monroe is a franchise left tackle I'm comfortable with (B+). Fusco, Herremans, and Schwartz are all solid players (B/B+).
DL - B+. McDonald was a steal. Knighton and McDonald are both B/B+ players. I'd say Knighton has A upside.
Edge - B. Cole and Sheard both aren't elite players but both are effective. I'm happy with this duo.
LB - B-. I'd give Tulloch a B+. My other linebackers should bring this grade down though.
CB - B-. Lewis I had a grade of an A- and feel like he can take on a team's best receiver on an island. We'll see who else I get at CB but I project a B-/B overall grade.
S - C+/B-. I have Moore at a B level player. I should be able to nab a C level FS to pair with him to make my safety grade at least a C+/B-.
Overall, I think my offense will end up being a B+ after the vet draft. I have a gaping hole at WR that is bringing my overall grade down. I am definitely looking to draft one or two early in with the rookie draft. I think my defense should be a B at least.
Brady, Tom NEP QB
Hartline, Brian MIA WR
Davis, Vernon SFO TE
Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
monroe, eugene BAL LT
fusco, brandon MIN LG
herremans, todd PHI RG
schwartz, mitchell CLE RT
Knighton, Terrance DEN DT
McDonald, Ray SFO DT
Cole, Trent PHI DE
Sheard, Jabaal CLE DE
Tulloch, Stephen DET LB
Lewis, Keenan NOS CB
Moore, William ATL S
QB - A. Maybe Brady isn't in his prime anymore but he's still a top tier quarterback.
RB - ?
WR - D. Hartline is a C+/B-. The pickings are slim though. It's no secret that I will be looking to address WR in the draft early.
TE - A+. Two studs who are mismatches. Vernon Davis is an elite blocker and Graham is more than adequate as one. Both have WR speed and should be matchup nightmares.
OL - B+. Monroe is a franchise left tackle I'm comfortable with (B+). Fusco, Herremans, and Schwartz are all solid players (B/B+).
DL - B+. McDonald was a steal. Knighton and McDonald are both B/B+ players. I'd say Knighton has A upside.
Edge - B. Cole and Sheard both aren't elite players but both are effective. I'm happy with this duo.
LB - B-. I'd give Tulloch a B+. My other linebackers should bring this grade down though.
CB - B-. Lewis I had a grade of an A- and feel like he can take on a team's best receiver on an island. We'll see who else I get at CB but I project a B-/B overall grade.
S - C+/B-. I have Moore at a B level player. I should be able to nab a C level FS to pair with him to make my safety grade at least a C+/B-.
Overall, I think my offense will end up being a B+ after the vet draft. I have a gaping hole at WR that is bringing my overall grade down. I am definitely looking to draft one or two early in with the rookie draft. I think my defense should be a B at least.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Just a note: these grades are based on my view of players and I am definitely not an expert. Just because I don't like a player or team doesn't mean they are bad.
The grades probably are a bit inflated as I was being optimistic that the team would finish the draft strong. Chances are, at the end if I were to give a grade to teams, they'd be a bit harsher than these "spot checks."
Also I'm curious what others think of my evaluations, particularly for my own teams. Feedback would be appreciated.
The grades probably are a bit inflated as I was being optimistic that the team would finish the draft strong. Chances are, at the end if I were to give a grade to teams, they'd be a bit harsher than these "spot checks."
Also I'm curious what others think of my evaluations, particularly for my own teams. Feedback would be appreciated.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
If Brady is considered an "A", not sure if Wilson can be considered a "B+/A-". I'd argue that in their current form, Wilson may be the better player already.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
No.
I hate Brady with a passion, but as a quarterback he is as A or A+... which makes Wilson a B at best if that's the comparison
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
I really thought Brady's play slipped these past 2 years. We aren't getting him for what he's done in previous years. This is going forward. I view Wilson's passing/rushing ability as an excellent combo.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
I find the biggest question that comes up in this draft is balancing age, consistency, upside, and low floors. Brady is old but I really think I can count on him for at least 3-4 more seasons. Brady is nothing but consistent as the Patriots have a top offense every year and are constantly in the hunt for the title.
Wilson is younger and should be in this league for 10+ years. Wilson has enormous upside but a limited resume. His floor is significantly lower and I am still not fully convinced that he'll be a truly elite quarterback year in and year out. Would he thrive without the best defense in the league? Probably, I think so. However, that's not something I'm sure about and that's why I give Brady a higher grade than Wilson for now.
Having said that, I would absolutely trade Brady for Wilson straight up.
Your defense will definitely be able to stop the run but you don't have an elite pass rusher.. Trent cole can get to the QB but at 31 and the type of player he is, he isn't going to be a defense's go to guy. Lewis and sheard are your two opportunities for this defense to be good. Lewis is underrated/not talked about much and a decent number one. If sheard took the next step, then your front seven would look pretty solid.
Oh and I agree about McDonald.. Definitely a steal for where you got him. I was contemplating him but had two DE's already
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Nucker - you owe 15.07. I tried PMing you but your inbox is full I believe.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
This draft was a lot more difficult than I expected.... Sat on QBs a little too long and shot myself in the foot on that front. And while I think Vick is a good QB, he's near the end and is not what he once was. Also went heavy on Defense and slower on offense, but I gotta say, I do like my team.
Offense:
QB- Vick
RB- Gio Bernard
WR - Percy Harvin, Justin Blackmon
TE- Tim Wright
LG - Wade Smith
Defense: 3-4
DT - Sly Williams
DE - Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich
LB - Luke Kuechly, Daryl Washington, Russell Allen, Kevin Burnett
CB - Dre Kirkpatrick
S- Mark Barron, Antione Bethea
Offense:
QB- Vick
RB- Gio Bernard
WR - Percy Harvin, Justin Blackmon
TE- Tim Wright
LG - Wade Smith
Defense: 3-4
DT - Sly Williams
DE - Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich
LB - Luke Kuechly, Daryl Washington, Russell Allen, Kevin Burnett
CB - Dre Kirkpatrick
S- Mark Barron, Antione Bethea
Meecrob
Footballguy
Houston
Offense:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Jamaal Charles
WR Eric Decker
WR Terrance Williams
WR Emmanuel Sanders
TE Jordon Cameron
LT Matt Kalil
LG
C Alex Mack
RG
RT Derek Sherrod
Defense(3-4)
DE Antonio Smith
DT
DE
OLB Robert Mathis
ILB Karlos Dansby
ILB
OLB Whitney Mercilus
SS
FS Jonathan Cyprien
CB Brandon Carr
CB Deangelo Hall
Offense:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Jamaal Charles
WR Eric Decker
WR Terrance Williams
WR Emmanuel Sanders
TE Jordon Cameron
LT Matt Kalil
LG
C Alex Mack
RG
RT Derek Sherrod
Defense(3-4)
DE Antonio Smith
DT
DE
OLB Robert Mathis
ILB Karlos Dansby
ILB
OLB Whitney Mercilus
SS
FS Jonathan Cyprien
CB Brandon Carr
CB Deangelo Hall
Meecrob
Footballguy
Kansas City
Offense
QB Andrew Luck
RB Matt Forte
WR Brandon Marshall
WR TY Hilton
WR
TE
LT King Dunlap
LG
C Eric Wood
RG
RT DJ Fluker
Defense (4-3)
DE Julius Peppers
DT Kyle Williams
DT
DE Margus Hunt
WLB Lavonte David
MLB Zach Brown
SLB Dannell Ellerbe
SS Donte Whitner
FS Troy Polamalu
CB Tramon Williams
CB
Offense
QB Andrew Luck
RB Matt Forte
WR Brandon Marshall
WR TY Hilton
WR
TE
LT King Dunlap
LG
C Eric Wood
RG
RT DJ Fluker
Defense (4-3)
DE Julius Peppers
DT Kyle Williams
DT
DE Margus Hunt
WLB Lavonte David
MLB Zach Brown
SLB Dannell Ellerbe
SS Donte Whitner
FS Troy Polamalu
CB Tramon Williams
CB
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
Seems like an odd group of players for a 3-4 defense. Can Chandler Jones play a 3-4 end? Also trying to figure out where the LBs fit in. Obviously Kuechly and Washington at ILB, but not sure if Allen/Burnett will provide much off the edge.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Yep. Like I said,it was way harder than I expected and guys flew off my board leaving me w tough decisions. Went in w a gameplan and it got squashed so improvized throughout.
Until i draft the entire team i dunno how ill line that defence up. This wasnt wasy
Pimpin Joe
Footballguy
Colts
QB Bradford
RB
WR Rueben Randle
WR Stevie Johnson
TE
LT Donald Penn
LG Andy Levitre
C Stefan Wisniewski
RG
RT Orlando Franklin
RE Robert Quinn
DT Star Lotulelei
DT Pat Sims
LE Justin Tuck; Paul Kruger
OLB
MLB Akeem Dent
OLB
SS TJ Ward
FS Mike Mitchell
CB Brandon Flowers
CB
Was going to play him at OLB, but will take the advice of those who know better, and move Kruger to DE.
QB Bradford
RB
WR Rueben Randle
WR Stevie Johnson
TE
LT Donald Penn
LG Andy Levitre
C Stefan Wisniewski
RG
RT Orlando Franklin
RE Robert Quinn
DT Star Lotulelei
DT Pat Sims
LE Justin Tuck; Paul Kruger
OLB
MLB Akeem Dent
OLB
SS TJ Ward
FS Mike Mitchell
CB Brandon Flowers
CB
Was going to play him at OLB, but will take the advice of those who know better, and move Kruger to DE.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
You've got to do what you think is best for your team. Kruger plays 3-4 OLB for the Browns so he has experience playing off the line of scrimmage in space. When Kruger was with the Ravens, the Ravens played a combination 4-3/3-4. In 4-3 alignment, Kruger played DE and and in 3-4 he played OLB. It's very possible that Kruger could be your best option at outside linebacker. Don't let what other owners (like me
) change your opinion. For all you know, we're trying to sabotage your team!AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
I personally think 4-3 would be the best bet. When the Pats were a 3-4 team, Ninkovich played OLB. He switched to DE when they switched to 4-3. Both Jones and Ninkovich are too small to play 3-4 DEs imo. If it was my team, I'd have my base personnel be 4-3 with Jones/Ninko at DE, Kuechly at MLB, and Washington as WLB. Allen/Burnett would be the SLB.
Stacked at LB.. Ellerbeast has to be your MLB though, right?
St Louis
Offense:
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Trent Richardson
WR - Calvin Johnson / Randall Cobb
TE - Greg Olsen
LT - Nate Solder
LG - Alex Boone
C - Brian De La Puente
RG - Kevin Zeitler
RT - Anthony Davis
Defense(Most likely 4-3)
DE - Jonathan Massaquoi
DT - Henry Melton / Sharrif Floyd
DE
OLB
ILB - Arthur Brown
OLB
SS
FS
CB - Tim Jennings / Robert Alford
Obviously defense has some holes, but I think my offense will hold strong, especially with a great O-line. If Trent can bounce back in real life, he would do well on this team and the passing game should have some fun with Cutler having time.
Offense:
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Trent Richardson
WR - Calvin Johnson / Randall Cobb
TE - Greg Olsen
LT - Nate Solder
LG - Alex Boone
C - Brian De La Puente
RG - Kevin Zeitler
RT - Anthony Davis
Defense(Most likely 4-3)
DE - Jonathan Massaquoi
DT - Henry Melton / Sharrif Floyd
DE
OLB
ILB - Arthur Brown
OLB
SS
FS
CB - Tim Jennings / Robert Alford
Obviously defense has some holes, but I think my offense will hold strong, especially with a great O-line. If Trent can bounce back in real life, he would do well on this team and the passing game should have some fun with Cutler having time.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Seeing the 3-4 / 4-3 discussion; I'm having a similar debate but likely going hybrid with the Titans.
Damon Harrison makes an ideal NT, Thornton and Devito make very good 3-4 DEs. But then I need to see how Derrick Morgan does at OLB. He probably makes a better 4-3 end, which would probably have me put Devito in the middle, next to big snacks - ironically Devito had played NT for the Jets before Harrison was drafted. He makes a better DE IMO, but he can fill the middle.
Browns - your DL would be much better at 4-3, but then you have an extra LB. Not always a bad thing, but you drafted one too high.
Auger / others, curious on your take especially on the Titans:
Foles, Nick PHI QB
Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB
Brown, Antonio PIT WR
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
* dotson, demar TBB
* silatolu, amini CAR
* smith, tyron DAL
Harrison, Damon NYJ NT
Devito, Mike KCC DE
Thornton, Cedric PHI DE
Morgan, Derrick TEN DE / LB
Jones, Jarvis PIT LB
Mayo, Jerod NEP LB
Brown, Tarell SFO CB
Rhodes, Xavier MIN CB
Damon Harrison makes an ideal NT, Thornton and Devito make very good 3-4 DEs. But then I need to see how Derrick Morgan does at OLB. He probably makes a better 4-3 end, which would probably have me put Devito in the middle, next to big snacks - ironically Devito had played NT for the Jets before Harrison was drafted. He makes a better DE IMO, but he can fill the middle.
Browns - your DL would be much better at 4-3, but then you have an extra LB. Not always a bad thing, but you drafted one too high.
Auger / others, curious on your take especially on the Titans:
Foles, Nick PHI QB
Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB
Brown, Antonio PIT WR
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
* dotson, demar TBB
* silatolu, amini CAR
* smith, tyron DAL
Harrison, Damon NYJ NT
Devito, Mike KCC DE
Thornton, Cedric PHI DE
Morgan, Derrick TEN DE / LB
Jones, Jarvis PIT LB
Mayo, Jerod NEP LB
Brown, Tarell SFO CB
Rhodes, Xavier MIN CB
FUBAR
Footballguy
Really like what you've done on offense, except I'm not big on Trent. Give Cutler time, he'll get it to Calvin. If Calvin is triple covered, Cobb makes a very nice #2 / short route / escape plan. Trent would probably do alright receiving here too. A-
Defense - incomplete. We'll see how it pans out.
Meecrob
Footballguy
I like him as my Strong side backer, more of a run stopper to begin with. I was happy to pair him and Brown with David, in any configuration really, thats a stout LB group.
Nate Blough
Footballguy
Got a request for someone who made the wrong choice on cell - changing Rod Streater to Curtis Lofton.
Thanks
Probably one of my favorite teams so far. Lot of up and coming talent on defense.. Good variety on offense.. Lynch then the speed of brown,maclin
FUBAR
Footballguy
and to think I was :thisclose: to taking Lofton instead of the future pro-bowler Silatolu.
Nate Blough
Footballguy
What do u guys think...took Upshaw to play 4-3 DE. I think he can hold the end and decent enough speed to get to QB. Play Re across from Hardy. Shuld be decent duo.
