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Bush owners, will you sleep okay tonight? (1 Viewer)

PantherPower

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I have him in 5 dynasty leagues. Tonight has been a HUGE disappointment. I think I'm going to lose a lot of games this opening weekend (compounded by playing Reggie Wayne and Addai in several leagues)

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He and Brees will rebound right? right? right?!?! :bag:

 
PantherPower said:
I have him in 5 dynasty leagues. Tonight has been a HUGE disappointment. I think I'm going to lose a lot of games this opening weekend (compounded by playing Reggie Wayne and Addai in several leagues) :( He and Brees will rebound right? right? right?!?! :unsure:
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I think it is time to dump him.
 
The whole team is getting annihilated tonight. I'd give it a couple more games before hitting the panic button. In a dynasty league, you have to be prepared to ride out the cold streaks. Surely these guys won't be this bad all season.

 
Saints don't look good. I think last year was an anomoly. Look for very poor numbers around the board. Sophmore slump for all of them.

 
Wouldn't panic yet. They get Tampa away and then Tenn at home and then a Bye. They've got some time to adjust from tonight.

 
OH GOD NO THEY LOST THEIR SEASON OPENER AGAINST THE DEFENDING SUPERBOWL CHAMPS EVERBODY PANIC

 
Is tha the end of the Bush being a feature RB talk?

He lined up more in the slot more then at tailback. He goes down on first contact. One on run, he lowered his head and ran into his offensive lineman who was downfield. Not exactly what I'd expect in the open field. The guy is just an awful running back.

WR? He's pretty explosive. He's a very good hybrid WR/RB for this offense. If he was making 300k a year, he'd probably get 4-5 touches a game and return punts. I also love the talk where he tells Madden you need to know when the run is over, and get down or out of bounds.

Is there anyway Bush can be traded to whatever team is playing SF every week?

Take away the SF game, he has 2 offensive TDs in 16 games. And this guy is a top 5 fantasy RB?

 
teamroc said:
Is tha the end of the Bush being a feature RB talk?

He lined up more in the slot more then at tailback. He goes down on first contact. One on run, he lowered his head and ran into his offensive lineman who was downfield. Not exactly what I'd expect in the open field. The guy is just an awful running back.

WR? He's pretty explosive. He's a very good hybrid WR/RB for this offense. If he was making 300k a year, he'd probably get 4-5 touches a game and return punts. I also love the talk where he tells Madden you need to know when the run is over, and get down or out of bounds.

Is there anyway Bush can be traded to whatever team is playing SF every week?

Take away the SF game, he has 2 offensive TDs in 16 games. And this guy is a top 5 fantasy RB?
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you could take that if the guy was (for example) a skinny WR . . .
 
Johnny Ice said:
Panic with Bush as my RB2? No.
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Well hopefully LT is your RB1 because if Bush continues to run that like that your gonna need the extra #s LT can give you to make up for more crappy performances Bush will probably give. I have him and I was disappointed. There was a post earlier about how Bush was going down not breaking tackles and that guy hit the nail on the head. Pathetic.
 
AgentMulder said:
Johnny Ice said:
Panic with Bush as my RB2? No.
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Well hopefully LT is your RB1 because if Bush continues to run that like that your gonna need the extra #s LT can give you to make up for more crappy performances Bush will probably give. I have him and I was disappointed. There was a post earlier about how Bush was going down not breaking tackles and that guy hit the nail on the head. Pathetic.
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Im also going to dump Drew Brees because he obviously sucks after tonight....I suggest you all dump every Saint player because this 1 game is pretty much the whole season. :thumbup: And if LT has a bad game Sunday dump him as well...
 
Franchise Playa said:
AgentMulder said:
Johnny Ice said:
Panic with Bush as my RB2? No.
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Well hopefully LT is your RB1 because if Bush continues to run that like that your gonna need the extra #s LT can give you to make up for more crappy performances Bush will probably give. I have him and I was disappointed. There was a post earlier about how Bush was going down not breaking tackles and that guy hit the nail on the head. Pathetic.
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Im also going to dump Drew Brees because he obviously sucks after tonight....I suggest you all dump every Saint player because this 1 game is pretty much the whole season. :thumbup: And if LT has a bad game Sunday dump him as well...
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Nobody said dump him not sure where u get that from, but this wasn't an encouraging sign. Yes they were at Indy and playing the Super Bowl Champs but that was ugly.
 
The only thing that really worries me about tonights game is that it appears that E. Johnson, and not Bush, is Brees' new safety valve. That will be a problem in PPR leagues unless/until Johnson goes down with an injury.

 
teamroc said:
Is tha the end of the Bush being a feature RB talk?He lined up more in the slot more then at tailback. He goes down on first contact. One on run, he lowered his head and ran into his offensive lineman who was downfield. Not exactly what I'd expect in the open field. The guy is just an awful running back.WR? He's pretty explosive. He's a very good hybrid WR/RB for this offense. If he was making 300k a year, he'd probably get 4-5 touches a game and return punts. I also love the talk where he tells Madden you need to know when the run is over, and get down or out of bounds. Is there anyway Bush can be traded to whatever team is playing SF every week? Take away the SF game, he has 2 offensive TDs in 16 games. And this guy is a top 5 fantasy RB?
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...Except for the fact that he scored a TD vs. Pittsburgh. And vs Carolina. And vs NYG. And you can't 'just eliminate' the game vs SF. And he scored 2 tds in 2 games in the playoffs.
 
AgentMulder said:
Franchise Playa said:
AgentMulder said:
Johnny Ice said:
Panic with Bush as my RB2? No.
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Well hopefully LT is your RB1 because if Bush continues to run that like that your gonna need the extra #s LT can give you to make up for more crappy performances Bush will probably give. I have him and I was disappointed. There was a post earlier about how Bush was going down not breaking tackles and that guy hit the nail on the head. Pathetic.
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Im also going to dump Drew Brees because he obviously sucks after tonight....I suggest you all dump every Saint player because this 1 game is pretty much the whole season. :thumbup: And if LT has a bad game Sunday dump him as well...
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Nobody said dump him not sure where u get that from, but this wasn't an encouraging sign. Yes they were at Indy and playing the Super Bowl Champs but that was ugly.
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They guy can't win no matter what happens...Reggie has a good game it's because of "a gadget play" "poor def" "sun was in the LB's eyes" "lunar eclipse" ect ect...He has a bad game then the "I told you he is wack" people come out...Im just giving the haters what they want to hear.
 
The only bright side is that he got targeted 6 or 7 times in the passing game and had 4 receptions. If you play in a league with PPR scoring, Bush will be ok. But I don't understand why he would be a first round pick in non-PPR format.

 
Bush looked like he had ZERO vision tonight, I can't count how many times he ran into a tackle or his own blockers...

 
Got him at 1.13 in a .5ppr league. Not worried in the least. He'll still catch a ton of passes and make enough happen in the ground game to net RB1 stats. Besides, every Saint not named Eric Johnson had a horrible game. They'll be fine. They ran into a Colts post-SB euphoric buzzsaw.

Now do I wish I had taken Manning at 1.13 instead of Bush and best available RB at 2.02 ... well that is a different story

 
Hopefully owners react like some of you here so I can trade for him real cheap like in redraft leagues.

Keep up the gloom and doom...maybe my leaguemates post here.

 
I hate that Bush is not the starting halfback for NOR, therefore I cant see him as fantasy #2. BUT: This kid is going to have some huge games this year no doubt and if Deuce gets dinged, his carries will skyrocket. I would target buying low should he have two dud games in three weeks.

dickey moe said:
I'll be looking to buy this week, but I doubt there will be any sellers.
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SNK said:
OH GOD NO THEY LOST THEIR SEASON OPENER AGAINST THE DEFENDING SUPERBOWL CHAMPS EVERBODY PANIC
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:thumbup: Total agreement. The better team, at home, probably won tonight...that's not a slight on the Saints who are awesome.And while Bush played down tonight, I gotta tell you my bigger concern was Drew Brees. NOT crisp or sharp tonight at all.
 
at what point do people stop saying stuff like 'omg it's only the preseason/week 1 you people overreact'?

week 13?

bush looked horrible tonight, and even in my ppr league - i don't think he's going to get the value he was drafted at (1.11)....

i'm not worried so much about the rest of the team - they should come around... but bush looked like a rookie again... and with johnson out there cutting into his dumpoffs - his value is even less...

to those who drafted him - sorry bout your luck

 
One game doesn't determine a player's season and Bush still has lots of time in the NFL to learn how to play BUT my feeling is that Bush is one of the most overrated players I've seen in the last 5 years. At least as an NFL runningback, perhaps he hasn't found his position yet. You can try to talk your way around a 3.6 career ypc average but watching him play he doesn't pass the eye test. He looks to me like a simple scat back. Nothing too extraordinary. I feel like he is the beneficiary of being in a dominant high visibility college program. The good news for Bush owners is that New Orleans has a lot riding on Reggie Bush's shoulders. They are going to find ways to get him the ball in space he is normally more sure handed than he was tonight. New Orleans will make Reggie Bush a viable Fantasy Football player, I just think it will be at the expense of the teams' success.

 
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Maybe there's something to the ankle thing that was mentioned in earlier threads. He wasn't favoring any ankle, but maybe it affected him. In any case, he looked the way I expect AD to look in his FIRST game in the NFL.

But it's fair to chalk it up to playing the SB champs at home and Brees not getting anything going via the pass. TB should be a much better match-up.

 
Linton Trust said:
at what point do people stop saying stuff like 'omg it's only the preseason/week 1 you people overreact'?week 13? bush looked horrible tonight, and even in my ppr league - i don't think he's going to get the value he was drafted at (1.11)....i'm not worried so much about the rest of the team - they should come around... but bush looked like a rookie again... and with johnson out there cutting into his dumpoffs - his value is even less...to those who drafted him - sorry bout your luck
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It might not be week 13, but it's certainly not 60 minutes into the 2007 season. But you might not be alone in your thinking, and you've inspired me to send some e-mails to the Bush owners in my leagues. Thanks.
 
Chreesto said:
One game doesn't determine a player's season and Bush still has lots of time in the NFL to learn how to play BUT my feeling is that Bush is one of the most overrated players I've seen in the last 5 years. At least as an NFL runningback, perhaps he hasn't found his position yet. You can try to talk your way around a 3.6 career ypc average but watching him play he doesn't pass the eye test. He looks to me like a simple scat back. Nothing too extraordinary. I feel like he is the beneficiary of being in a dominant high visibility college program. The good news for Bush owners is that New Orleans has a lot riding on Reggie Bush's shoulders. They are going to find ways to get him the ball in space he is normally more sure handed than he was tonight. New Orleans will make Reggie Bush a viable Fantasy Football player, I just feel like it could be at the expense of the teams' success.
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I agree. Sean Payton seems like a guy who is obsessed with padding the numbers of his stars. Why else would he have Brees and Bush in there at the end, when the result was already decided? If either of those guys had gotten hurt, he would have been the goat of the month.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Chreesto said:
One game doesn't determine a player's season and Bush still has lots of time in the NFL to learn how to play BUT my feeling is that Bush is one of the most overrated players I've seen in the last 5 years. At least as an NFL runningback, perhaps he hasn't found his position yet. You can try to talk your way around a 3.6 career ypc average but watching him play he doesn't pass the eye test. He looks to me like a simple scat back. Nothing too extraordinary. I feel like he is the beneficiary of being in a dominant high visibility college program. The good news for Bush owners is that New Orleans has a lot riding on Reggie Bush's shoulders. They are going to find ways to get him the ball in space he is normally more sure handed than he was tonight. New Orleans will make Reggie Bush a viable Fantasy Football player, I just feel like it could be at the expense of the teams' success.
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I agree. Sean Payton seems like a guy who is obsessed with padding the numbers of his stars. Why else would he have Brees and Bush in there at the end, when the result was already decided? If either of those guys had gotten hurt, he would have been the goat of the month.
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Yeah I thought it was kind of silly for Brees to be calling the time out with 8 seconds left BUT then again, you can't fault the guy for not wanting to take a whooping lying down.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Linton Trust said:
at what point do people stop saying stuff like 'omg it's only the preseason/week 1 you people overreact'?week 13? bush looked horrible tonight, and even in my ppr league - i don't think he's going to get the value he was drafted at (1.11)....i'm not worried so much about the rest of the team - they should come around... but bush looked like a rookie again... and with johnson out there cutting into his dumpoffs - his value is even less...to those who drafted him - sorry bout your luck
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It might not be week 13, but it's certainly not 60 minutes into the 2007 season. But you might not be alone in your thinking, and you've inspired me to send some e-mails to the Bush owners in my leagues. Thanks.
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he's not going to be worth playing if you're not in a ppr league (he'll have a few great games; but i'm going to go on record as saying his bad games will out number his good games... which is not round 1 or even round 2 material)but by all means - bail owners out because you want to live by some 'don't judge a player until week 17' rule...
 
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4 - Digit Shark said:
The only thing that really worries me about tonights game is that it appears that E. Johnson, and not Bush, is Brees' new safety valve. That will be a problem in PPR leagues unless/until Johnson goes down with an injury.
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This is the main thing that is bothering me, not that they lost to the Colts in Indy or that Bush didn't score etc. It's possible that this will be the best statistical game of the year for Eric Johnson, Bush owners would probably hope so. We'll see what happens next week and the week after. The Saints looked horrid against the Steelers in the Hall of Fame game yet came out the next few weeks and looked like a well oiled machine.
 
I'm not going to panic.

The entire Saints team had a poor game tonight. They looked out of sync and Reggie dropped a couple sure passes.

The Colts came out and played like the defending Super Bowl champion would. There is no doubt that the Colts were fired up with the banner ceremony and talk of them not repeating.

 
Jesus. Chill out people. It's one game and there will be more like this as well with all players in RBBC's even if they are a talented as Reggie. I wouldn't worry much about this, Bush will be fine and so will the Saints.

 
If you have him in a dynasty, and need him to eventually become a #1 quality feature back, I think you should be concerned. Having him as a #2 is probably acceptable. Don't expect much more.

But really, this has nothing to do with this game. This shouldn't have changed anyone's opinions.

 
Linton Trust said:
at what point do people stop saying stuff like 'omg it's only the preseason/week 1 you people overreact'?week 13? bush looked horrible tonight, and even in my ppr league - i don't think he's going to get the value he was drafted at (1.11)....i'm not worried so much about the rest of the team - they should come around... but bush looked like a rookie again... and with johnson out there cutting into his dumpoffs - his value is even less...to those who drafted him - sorry bout your luck
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Brees had a great preseason. So, not sure what your point is.As for when do I start to think about making moves if a player is underperforming my expectations? Week 3 or 4. As others have said, one game doesn't make a season. I have seen people overreact and drop or trade players after the first or second week who then went on to have great season. To me, it looked like NO was outcoached. They had no game plan. They had no answer to the Tampa Two defense and never really were able to get a running game going or get the downfield passing going. In the second half their defense looked like a sieve.
 
My league is weighted heavily towards 100yard games and TD's, so I never gave a thought to him in round 2. Too much overreaction though. Saints looked like worldbeaters in the preseason, Brees was almost perfect, now they are bums? This is a game of emotions and execution. Colts came out tons best in both categories. Saints got outplayed and outcoached. Major wake up call for them - they will bounce back. That being said, I just don't know how you can rely on Bush to post consistent big #'s with the way he's utilized.

 
4 - Digit Shark said:
The only thing that really worries me about tonights game is that it appears that E. Johnson, and not Bush, is Brees' new safety valve. That will be a problem in PPR leagues unless/until Johnson goes down with an injury.
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:football: Even during Bush's good last half last season, I was not impressed, looks like a gadget player. He is going to have some good games this year no doubt, but he is not the guy I go after to be my featured back. If your in a PPR league then no problem, standard scoring league and I would have as a by week filler and 3rd back. I would not change Bush's value based on tonights game, I was one of those dumb butts who traded LT last year after week three thinking turner was going to get a good portion of the carries. I got Portis and Bolden, I thought I raped the poor guy, joke was on me. So one game dont mean nothing. Where ever you valued Bush, I dont think the game tonight should change that value. Again for me I was not on his Jock to begin with so its of no real matter to me. We all have watched too many players named the stud before they even suit up for the NFL only to watch them underperform.
 
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az_prof said:
Linton Trust said:
at what point do people stop saying stuff like 'omg it's only the preseason/week 1 you people overreact'?week 13? bush looked horrible tonight, and even in my ppr league - i don't think he's going to get the value he was drafted at (1.11)....i'm not worried so much about the rest of the team - they should come around... but bush looked like a rookie again... and with johnson out there cutting into his dumpoffs - his value is even less...to those who drafted him - sorry bout your luck
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Brees had a great preseason. So, not sure what your point is.As for when do I start to think about making moves if a player is underperforming my expectations? Week 3 or 4. As others have said, one game doesn't make a season. I have seen people overreact and drop or trade players after the first or second week who then went on to have great season. To me, it looked like NO was outcoached. They had no game plan. They had no answer to the Tampa Two defense and never really were able to get a running game going or get the downfield passing going. In the second half their defense looked like a sieve.
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oh, the preseason comment was because i imagine the same people in here saying that it's only week one are the same guys who constantly come into threads and tell people it's only preseason, because 'we didn't realize that... and what would we do without them?' personally, i think that NO will bounce back and still make the playoffs (that's not a big risky pick).... but i can see that bush is going to have to make HUGE strides if he wants to justify where he's been drafted this year... ESPECIALLY in non-ppr leagues... i don't think people are going to drop Bush anytime soon in any leagues.... people typically panic and drop 4th round picks and later (think Lee Evans last year)...
 
The Bush owner in my primary league is freakin' a bit, but so is the Brees owner! The whole team looked unorganized and sloppy - like it was their first pre-season game and not regular season. No one was clicking and I was surprised they never really got going.

Most took Bush too high and he was over-valued during pre-season, I thought. I'm sure he'll have some fantastic games too but probably overall not worthy of where he was drafted (1st round in many leagues).

The title of this thread should be "Bush owners, could you have had Peyton and passed him by for Reggie?"

 
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