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Don't cry. He got caught cheating. That's the deal.
I am an Auburn fan. Thats the only part of this that upsets me. If USC was disqualified lets do it right all the way around. The Heisman hasnt meant much to me since Bo Jackson to be totally honest. thats why the Meh in the title. I also get tired of the NCAA and their BS rules and the Bowl games with no true National Champion (JMHO).That aside, Bush was the best athelete to come out of college that year so this doesnt change that one bit even though at the time I would have tried to make the case for Brown, Caddy or even Campbell. LOL
I don't understand why people want to hate a player that's successful. Whatever... I get hating your teams rival, that's expected... but otherwise, I just don't get it.
Haters gonna hate.
What's classy about giving something back after you got busted? If he gave it back before then maybe. Granted no one ever really says "I did it", but this is akin to a burglar confessing after you show him his fingerprints on the window.
I said the *statement* was classy, not the act of giving it back. And equating this to burglary is borderline ######ed.
Seriously...NCAA rules are just that, "rules". They are not law in the legal sense. And while I understand it is their rule, it is not like a young football player has any other options. He can't even go to Europe for a year and play. Honestly, isn't it silly that we require the elite football players to "dance for us" for a minimum of two years before they can join their true trade (being a pro football player). They can take back the dumb trophy and do the wand thing they do in Men In Black and have the whole general public forget he was the best player that year. You really want to be an elite organization? Catch him the year he broke your rules...
He didn't "cheat" on the field. He violated an NCAA rule about accepting money from boosters. That was wrong and USC is paying the price. But the craziest thing about this whole "returning the Heisman trophy" business is that The Heisman trophy isn't even awarded or sanctioned by the NCAA.ETA, O.J Simpson is sitting in prison, murdered two people, and he still has his Heisman award.
Let's put it this way: if Maurice Clarett reentered college under an assumed name, claimed he was 18 years old, and tore up the place and won the Heisman, would you be OK with that? He's "only" breaking NCAA rules. If you're not eligible to play, you're not eligible to win awards related to your play.The OJ Simpson thing is a total red herring; there's nothing which suggests that Heisman winners need to be good citizens for the rest of their lives. They do, however, need to abide by NCAA rules while they're in the NCAA.
My point is the Heisman award is given to the best college athlete, which was Reggie Bush. The award is not given to him by the NCAA. He didn't break any Downtown Athletic Club rules by being the best college player.
Presumably the Downtown Athletic Club cares whether the people who win the award are eligible to play in the NCAA. They don't care about whether they commit crimes 20 years after they leave college.
It's not the same as burglary. I was just using that as an analogy to highlight coming clean after you are caught, which is what his statement is doing.
Will do.*dials phone* "Hey, Miles? Yeah, it's 5-ish. What da do? So, listen, some person on an internet message board wanted to know what Reggie Bush's jizz tastes like, so I figured I'd call and try to help them out. Yeah, I'm not sure why they'd want to know that either, but they told me I should ask. Uh huh. Wow. Really? Okay, thanks, man."Miles says "cayenne pepper and High Karate." Hope that helps.(I should probably ask Reggie what that other dude's urine tastes like while I'm at it, I guess. Don't have his # though. I'll have to get back to you on that one. )FiredMartz said:
Nice contribution to the thread. NOT.
I see your point and I stand corrected. Apologies.I still believe the NCAA and Heisman commission are being extremely hypocritical. Sure, let's award it to Vince Young, I'm sure he never took any gifts or money from anyone.
Cheating? I don't agree with that description. He took money from a rep. That money did not win him the Heisman. His supreme talent and amazing stat line won that for him. If anyone was cheating it was USC for allegedly knowing about it.
Well, he tried to steal his Heisman back and ended up going to jail. Teehee.
If I were Vince Young, I would probably tweet something like "Just heard about Reggies Heisman. Reg will continue to be the 2005 Award recipient and I will continue to be honored to have been in the 2005 Heisman campaign with such a talented athlete.”
Seriously? It's a standard boiler-plate statement written by a team of agents, lawyers, and image experts... then read by an athlete. It's carefully engineered to make people think 'that sounded sort of classy' without including any statement that admits he broke any rules.He's spent the last four years trying to hide the situation, then later trying to make it go away. Only when it became clear that the trophy was going to be stripped, did he forfeit it classily with a spin-doctored statement.I'm not going to go into whether the NCAA system is good or bad... but don't get taken in by the PR job.
How much have you had to drink tonight?This is reading like a young drunkard
Huh?I don't think Reggie wrote the statement.Do you really think Reggie can write? out a statement?
I'm not naive enough to think that RB wrote it himself. But in my opinion, there is a lot of reflection and personal feeling in that statement. It seems very genuine. If believing that that makes me a sucker, I'm OK with it.
I've looked over several of your posts, and it's my judgement that he is probably better equipped to do so than yourself. In case you missed that one day in third grade, a period is that little dot that you put on the end of a sentence to end it.
Oh man. You're opening yourself up right here.
Sheesh, Mario Williams down? Bush wasn't even close to the best athlete. Mario would fold him up and put him in his pocket.
You're right that the NCAA and the New York Athletic Club have membership bylaws. As a condition of membership in those associations, compliance with bylaws is required. Whether or not they are silly rules is another story. But the Heisman requires that any winner be in compliance with NCAA bylaws, and that precludes taking any money or loans while a student athlete.
While he wasn't taking performance enhancing drugs, he did still "cheat" in the strict sense because he violated the rules. Vanessa Williams was in a similar situation. She won Miss America in 1983, and after winning, some nude photographs of her surfaced. Taking these nude photographs did not in any way help her win the Miss America crown. However, they were in violations of Miss America bylaws. Like Reggie, she gave back her award under legal pressure. It was considered the 'noble' thing to do because she would have been stripped of the award, just as Reggie would have.Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
In short, Reggie would have no legal recourse provided that the NCAA and the Heisman committee complied with their own procedures and allowed him a fair and reasonable hearing. A court would probably conclude that intervention was unnecessary.
Neither have made the Pro Bowl, But I would say that both are equally important to their team. Now that the Texans have Foster that pick seems smarter especially against Manning and the Colts but by the same token what would a running game like the one they just produced done for them against the Colts all these years? I think they would have reconsidered the pick myself if they had it to make again. Not saying it would be Bush but it would be a RB.Sabertooth said:
as well?
