Bush says SHOW ME THE (QB) MONEY! (1 Viewer)

[P Boy]

Well, thank goodness SD got rid of Brees so Eli could get some playing time!

Eli was drafted by San Diego. I do not follow you.

Yes. I know you don't.

 

[nightshift]

If he doesn't have a contract by noon Saturday, I think he can wave good-bye to being #1 pick.

You are sadly mistaken. Bush will go #1 regardless if there is no contract in place. Bank on it.

We'll see. Given Reggie's current media play, the amount he's asking for, and the fact that the Texans would have to trade down too far & not get Mario, I think Reggie drops a couple of spots.They get their #2 (maybe even 1a, who really knows?)guy at #1, spend less, & de-value Reggie a bit. Not a bad day's work.

Dropping out of #1 will play havoc on the $30 million.

 

[Warpig]

So, with all the new information out, this is pretty much what we can gather:

New Era was formed by several people, including gang bangers. They went after high profile Reggie Bush as their first premier client

I agree with you totally except for this part. New Era has actually been around for a while. They have had several high profile clients...especially in the MLB (they have several commercials). So they didn't NEED Reggie.

I was not aware of this. So why did the gang punk testify in court about his part in the ownership of New Era & drag Bush into the testimony rather than just providing documentation of the company's success with other clients? That doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know either. If he's a gangster he's probably not very smart in the first place. All I know is that there is indeed a "New Era" sport clothier (hats, jerseys, t-shirts...etc.) that has been around for a while. They are fairly new compared to Starter and Champion per se, but they can't be more than 5 or so years old. If there is another sport clothier by that name, how could they be named the same? Wouldn't that be copyright infringement? It's gotta be the same company.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So, with all the new information out, this is pretty much what we can gather:

New Era was formed by several people, including gang bangers. They went after high profile Reggie Bush as their first premier client

I agree with you totally except for this part. New Era has actually been around for a while. They have had several high profile clients...especially in the MLB (they have several commercials). So they didn't NEED Reggie.

I was not aware of this. So why did the gang punk testify in court about his part in the ownership of New Era & drag Bush into the testimony rather than just providing documentation of the company's success with other clients? That doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know either. If he's a gangster he's probably not very smart in the first place. All I know is that there is indeed a "New Era" sport clothier (hats, jerseys, t-shirts...etc.) that has been around for a while. They are fairly new compared to Starter and Champion per se, but they can't be more than 5 or so years old. If there is another sport clothier by that name, how could they be named the same? Wouldn't that be copyright infringement? It's gotta be the same company.

This is a completely different company called New Era Sports and Entertainment or somesuch. It has no clients and was created for Reggie.

 

[Dancing Bear]

The guy was a part-time back in college ...

There is no way that a RB deserves QB $ especially as he totally unproven.

The Texans would really, REALLY disappoint me if they draft him at #1!

 

[P Boy]

This is a completely different company called New Era Sports and Entertainment or somesuch. It has no clients and was created for Reggie.

That was my understanding also.

 

[TME]

Well, thank goodness SD got rid of Brees so Eli could get some playing time!

Eli was drafted by San Diego. I do not follow you.

Yes. I know you don't.

I wish I was as knowledegable as you. Enlighten me...please.

 

[SammyJankis]

What makes you assume that Reggie DID know anything about the arrangements his parents had with them? We don't know that for certain. He may or may not have. Most kids don't know the details of their parents finances, did you at his age? Now lets assume this scenario: his parents made a deal to pay rent for the house with back payment to be made after he signed with an NFL team (they were probably also hoping he would sign with them as his agents). Since he didn't sign with them, they sued for the rent money they were owed. Reggie did nothing wrong, USC did nothing wrong.

It will be interesting to find out what Reggie knew and what USC knew. One thing is for certain though "the I didn't know" defense won't help with the NCAA. Were this the case, the families of NCAA atheletes could accept whatever benefits they pleased while the athletes themselves turned a blind eye. What I found interesting was what Reggie said on PTI. When asked about why Bush's family moved out within 24 hours of reporters knocking on the door, bush said something along the lines of "Well its been a long time dream of mine to afford a new house for my family and now that I'm finally on the cusp of being a top NFL draft pick....." Reggie was of course implying that the link between reporters knocking and his family getting out of dodge was pure coincidence, with the real reason being that reggie was about to buy them a new house.

That one doesn't pass the smell test. And if you don't buy Reggie's "the reports had nothing to do with the family moving out" story, then Bush is involved in the cover-up. And if he's involved in the cover-up, is it really hard to believe that he was involved from the beginning?

Getting back on point, how does this affect Reggie's draft stock? I don't think it does. I think in today's NFL you have to pass on a guy if he has major character risks: wife beater, thug, etc. Reggie has in no way shape or form given any indication that he's that type of character. I think he was clearly in the wrong and made a stupid mistake, but I don't have any reason to believe its more than that. The teams at the top of the draft have investigated the backgrounds of the top propsects thoroughly.

As far as the "I want QB money" statement, I don't think this affects his draft stock at all. Don't we see this story every year? "Potential top #1 pick wants record money"? Reggie said it pretty well, he wants to get as much money as he can, the team wants to save as much money as they can.

In the end, they'll meet somewhere in the middle, as they always do. I think he'll get the largest rookie RB contract ever (duh), but it won't be QB money. It'll likely be one of those contracts where both sides can claim victory. Where the story will read "Bush signs largest contract ever" but careful analysis of the structure of the deal will reveal its backloaded, contains unreachable clauses, etc. and the true value puts it just under what Alex Smith and Manning got.

My two cents.

 

[EBF]

What makes you assume that Reggie DID know anything about the arrangements his parents had with them? We don't know that for certain. He may or may not have. Most kids don't know the details of their parents finances, did you at his age? Now lets assume this scenario: his parents made a deal to pay rent for the house with back payment to be made after he signed with an NFL team (they were probably also hoping he would sign with them as his agents). Since he didn't sign with them, they sued for the rent money they were owed. Reggie did nothing wrong, USC did nothing wrong.

It will be interesting to find out what Reggie knew and what USC knew. One thing is for certain though "the I didn't know" defense won't help with the NCAA. Were this the case, the families of NCAA atheletes could accept whatever benefits they pleased while the athletes themselves turned a blind eye. What I found interesting was what Reggie said on PTI. When asked about why Bush's family moved out within 24 hours of reporters knocking on the door, bush said something along the lines of "Well its been a long time dream of mine to afford a new house for my family and now that I'm finally on the cusp of being a top NFL draft pick....." Reggie was of course implying that the link between reporters knocking and his family getting out of dodge was pure coincidence, with the real reason being that reggie was about to buy them a new house.

That one doesn't pass the smell test. And if you don't buy Reggie's "the reports had nothing to do with the family moving out" story, then Bush is involved in the cover-up. And if he's involved in the cover-up, is it really hard to believe that he was involved from the beginning?

Getting back on point, how does this affect Reggie's draft stock? I don't think it does. I think in today's NFL you have to pass on a guy if he has major character risks: wife beater, thug, etc. Reggie has in no way shape or form given any indication that he's that type of character. I think he was clearly in the wrong and made a stupid mistake, but I don't have any reason to believe its more than that. The teams at the top of the draft have investigated the backgrounds of the top propsects thoroughly.

As far as the "I want QB money" statement, I don't think this affects his draft stock at all. Don't we see this story every year? "Potential top #1 pick wants record money"? Reggie said it pretty well, he wants to get as much money as he can, the team wants to save as much money as they can.

In the end, they'll meet somewhere in the middle, as they always do. I think he'll get the largest rookie RB contract ever (duh), but it won't be QB money. It'll likely be one of those contracts where both sides can claim victory. Where the story will read "Bush signs largest contract ever" but careful analysis of the structure of the deal will reveal its backloaded, contains unreachable clauses, etc. and the true value puts it just under what Alex Smith and Manning got.

My two cents.

Much ado about nothing.

The chicken little syndrome can really run high sometimes.

 

[P Boy]

Well, thank goodness SD got rid of Brees so Eli could get some playing time!

Eli was drafted by San Diego. I do not follow you.

Yes. I know you don't.

I wish I was as knowledegable as you. Enlighten me...please.

What was E. Manning's contract worth with SD, & how many snaps did he take for the Chargers, even in mini-camps?SD took Manning only because they had a trade worked out with the Giants before they took him - and for no other reason.

Your premise is faulty. I assume that you knew that, since it was common knowledge. If not, I apologize. I don't believe in teasing the handicapped.

 

[mbuehner]

This Williams talk has to be a smokescreen. The guy was never even floated as a possible #1 until very recently- for good reason, he isnt that great. Not #1 pick great.

The Texans had better take Bush, if Bush busts, well he's the most highly regarded player in several years- it stings but you're hardly in Leaf v Manning territory. Its just one of those things.

If you skip Bush, in order for you to look good you have to have both Williams play out of his mind just to live up to billing and Bush have a mediocre career. Otherwise you look like the biggest bunch of chumps on Earth for passing on him, and even worse, you have the prospect of also having passed over Vince Young should he have a great career. The odds of all those things going your way just arent good.

You take Bush, pay him what you need to, and dont look back. Good news is you can let him hold out because you have DD ready to go.

 

[TME]

Well, thank goodness SD got rid of Brees so Eli could get some playing time!

Eli was drafted by San Diego. I do not follow you.

Yes. I know you don't.

I wish I was as knowledegable as you. Enlighten me...please.

What was E. Manning's contract worth with SD, & how many snaps did he take for the Chargers, even in mini-camps?SD took Manning only because they had a trade worked out with the Giants before they took him - and for no other reason.

Your premise is faulty. I assume that you knew that, since it was common knowledge. If not, I apologize. I don't believe in teasing the handicapped.

I think your common knowledge is faulty. The trade was not agreed to when the Chargers took Manning. They took Manning under the notion that he was the #1 overall player and was the right #1 pick. The cards all fell into place when Rivers was available at #4 and THEN the deal was done, Rivers was selected and the trade was annouced. Get your facts straight before you go sharp shooting. Anyway, back to my point and the topic of the post, regardless of whether or not Houston and Bush get a contract worked out before noon tomorrow, Bush will be selected #1 overall. He's the guy.

 

[J-Rock]

QB's make the kind of Jack they do because they are solely blamed if the team is losing. No one looks at a RB and says it is his fault if a team struggles.

Look @ Dillon in Cincy, Barry in Det, DD in Hou, Deuce in NO, Tomlinson in SD (2006 prediction)

People blamed the QB in all of the above cases.

Reggie doesn't deserve the $$ because he won't have to handle the preassure that NFL QB's face.

 

[Fullback Fro]

If he doesn't have a contract by noon Saturday, I think he can wave good-bye to being #1 pick.

You are sadly mistaken. Bush will go #1 regardless if there is no contract in place. Bank on it.

I'm baffled.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Personally, I'm disgusted by Bush and his antics. I strongly believe this stuff should affect his draft position, and the first seven teams should definitely avoid this punk.

I'm glad Houston came to its senses and realized that Bush is a massive bust waiting to happen. Hopefully New Orleans, Tennessee, the Jets, Green Bay, San Fransisco and Oakland all display similar wisdom and foresight.

 

[Sopranos]

He's a special player no doubt. However, if he busts, he'll go down as the biggest bust of all-time. Lot's of pressure.

Alot of people think he will be the best RB ever. I think he will be considered a bust even if he turns out average. He is good but i dont consider him much better than Caddy or R Brown last season.

 

[EBF]

Please pass the crow.

 

[Blood Farmer]

He's a special player no doubt. However, if he busts, he'll go down as the biggest bust of all-time. Lot's of pressure.

Alot of people think he will be the best RB ever. I think he will be considered a bust even if he turns out average. He is good but i dont consider him much better than Caddy or R Brown last season.

But he will never be as good as Caddy. He will be average but Caddy will be slightly above average. Very, very good move by the Texans. Plus the long term consequence of future negotiations will leave the Texans one step up with any player in future salary battles.

 

[SammyJankis]

Shocked as well. Thought the Williams to Houston talk was a smokescreen.

Did Reggie's contract demands or recent problems affect his draft status? I'd like to say, "no", but honestly, who knows?

 

[EBF]

Shocked as well. Thought the Williams to Houston talk was a smokescreen.

Did Reggie's contract demands or recent problems affect his draft status? I'd like to say, "no", but honestly, who knows?

Who knows? Maybe the served as a convenient excuse for Houston to justify its pick.

 

[P Boy]

Please pass the crow.

It's going to be a funky draft. #### happens.

The best advice I can give is that NFL management doesn't think like FF owners. That surprises a lot of FF owners for some reason.