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Buy Low/Sell High Discussion (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'll be interested to what kinds of deals can be made with Chad, just because he still has that name value that makes it hard for his owners to cut bait without getting someone of the same name value or at least a lot of promise.Here's a deal that was done back in May in a 16 teamer PPR, start 3 WR league:
Another interesting question is whether Chad showing up, but claiming injury is worse or better than him not showing up at all?
FUBAR
Footballguy
You're right, Brady has me scratching my head, but I see your point. It just hasn't worked that way in my leagues.
What are your thoughts on the new Michigan product, Chad Henne? I haven't seen him go higher than the 3rd in normal leagues.
You're exactly right on VY, his owners are believers. However, in a newly formed league, I'd definitely look his way as my 2nd QB.
I disagree about selling high on DA, his trade value doesn't seem high - almost a buy low for similar reasons to Brady, only MUCH lower as people believe Quinn will take over soon.
I'm curious about many of your buy-low RBs; most of the first few don't seem to have the potential to make an impact. Some of the later ones do, and I've been pursuing those.
WRs:
Now seems a great time to buy CJ, I agree with sholditch. Maybe Housh too.
Evans seems like a good buy low too, if you believe in his talent.
Same with Javon Walker, if you believe he can recover from injuries (could be another buy low / sell high)
What are your thoughts on the new Michigan product, Chad Henne? I haven't seen him go higher than the 3rd in normal leagues.
You're exactly right on VY, his owners are believers. However, in a newly formed league, I'd definitely look his way as my 2nd QB.
I disagree about selling high on DA, his trade value doesn't seem high - almost a buy low for similar reasons to Brady, only MUCH lower as people believe Quinn will take over soon.
I'm curious about many of your buy-low RBs; most of the first few don't seem to have the potential to make an impact. Some of the later ones do, and I've been pursuing those.
WRs:
Now seems a great time to buy CJ, I agree with sholditch. Maybe Housh too.
Evans seems like a good buy low too, if you believe in his talent.
Same with Javon Walker, if you believe he can recover from injuries (could be another buy low / sell high)
sholditch
Footballguy
I just traded Steve Smith for him straight up in a Dynasty. I just couldn't pass up on a guy with a steady record of 1300+ yards a season for a guy who hasn't topped that in his past two. Also, color me skeptical on Delhomme's comeback.Sigmund Bloom said:I'll be interested to what kinds of deals can be made with Chad, just because he still has that name value that makes it hard for his owners to cut bait without getting someone of the same name value or at least a lot of promise.Here's a deal that was done back in May in a 16 teamer PPR, start 3 WR league:LHUCKS said:sholditch said:
Another interesting question is whether Chad showing up, but claiming injury is worse or better than him not showing up at all?
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
I'm sorry but I just don't get the Warrick Dunn infatuation. He was a good back for a really long time but the past 1 1/2 to 2 seasons he's been awful. He was never a power running back and now at age his speed is gone so what good is he. Earnest Graham can catch the ball well so he's not even much use there either.
I can see why Graham would be mad. He's better than Cadillac Williams, Warrick Dunn, and Michael Bennett yet he makes less money than all of them. That's crazy. He'll show up for training camp with the team though so I'm not worried about that.
I can see why Graham would be mad. He's better than Cadillac Williams, Warrick Dunn, and Michael Bennett yet he makes less money than all of them. That's crazy. He'll show up for training camp with the team though so I'm not worried about that.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Rudi Johnson is a buy low player. For 3 straight seasons he rushes for over 1300 yards and 12 touchdowns then he gets hurt last season and now he's a bum apparently. He's still a good player and the Bengals still have a good offense. He'll return to form. And if not you could probably get Kenny Watson cheap to back him up anyways.
EBF
Footballguy
Agree
Greg Jones - As a bargain bin guy in TD leagues, I like it. Once upon a time he was considered a first round talent. He could get a chance.
Jason Campbell - I agree that he's mediocre. Might as well gamble on Quinn, Schaub, Russell, Ryan, Flacco, or Edwards instead.
Derek Anderson - Limited upside. Huge downside. I think he was a fluke.
Selvin Young - Just the latest in a long line of DEN mediocrity.
Ronnie Brown - Never really liked him. Now that he's damaged goods, I like him even less.
Ryan Grant - Little upside and lots of downside.
LenDale White - He had 300+ carries last season and I still found it hard to start him in my leagues. That says it all.
Darren McFadden - Like Grant, he has little upside and lots of downside at his current value. Thing is, most of the people who own him are believers, so they won't want to sell him.
Earnest Graham - Mediocre. He won't last as a starter. He's this year's version of Droughns.
Disagree
Jerious Norwood - Meh. He's a change of pace back. If anything, I'm surprised people are still so optimistic about him.
Vince Young - I know he's one of your guys, but I just don't see enough encouraging signs in his passing numbers to take him over similar options. Tennessee isn't helping things by giving him the worst WR group in the NFL.
Ben Roethlisberger -
Talent > situation. 2007 wasn't anywhere close to his ceiling, IMO.
Greg Jones - As a bargain bin guy in TD leagues, I like it. Once upon a time he was considered a first round talent. He could get a chance.
Jason Campbell - I agree that he's mediocre. Might as well gamble on Quinn, Schaub, Russell, Ryan, Flacco, or Edwards instead.
Derek Anderson - Limited upside. Huge downside. I think he was a fluke.
Selvin Young - Just the latest in a long line of DEN mediocrity.
Ronnie Brown - Never really liked him. Now that he's damaged goods, I like him even less.
Ryan Grant - Little upside and lots of downside.
LenDale White - He had 300+ carries last season and I still found it hard to start him in my leagues. That says it all.
Darren McFadden - Like Grant, he has little upside and lots of downside at his current value. Thing is, most of the people who own him are believers, so they won't want to sell him.
Earnest Graham - Mediocre. He won't last as a starter. He's this year's version of Droughns.
Disagree
Jerious Norwood - Meh. He's a change of pace back. If anything, I'm surprised people are still so optimistic about him.
Vince Young - I know he's one of your guys, but I just don't see enough encouraging signs in his passing numbers to take him over similar options. Tennessee isn't helping things by giving him the worst WR group in the NFL.
Ben Roethlisberger -
Talent > situation. 2007 wasn't anywhere close to his ceiling, IMO.
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I'd buy low on
QB's STL Mark Bulger, Matt Schaub and Jason Campbell
RB's CIN Kenny Watson, Travis Henry (depending on where he lands) and TB Earnest Graham
WR's BAL Derek Mason, PHI Reggie Brown and SD WR Chris Chambers
The thing I look for is consistency from week to week or a special reason for last year's bad stats such as Orlando Pace being injured. If you're going to bring SJAX up to #4 in the rankings then Bulger needs a raise as well if you think Pace can stay healthy.
Sell High: Everybody else.
QB's STL Mark Bulger, Matt Schaub and Jason Campbell
RB's CIN Kenny Watson, Travis Henry (depending on where he lands) and TB Earnest Graham
WR's BAL Derek Mason, PHI Reggie Brown and SD WR Chris Chambers
The thing I look for is consistency from week to week or a special reason for last year's bad stats such as Orlando Pace being injured. If you're going to bring SJAX up to #4 in the rankings then Bulger needs a raise as well if you think Pace can stay healthy.
Sell High: Everybody else.
KoolKat
Footballguy
I'd have to say owners need to start looking at LT2 like a sell high prospect in dynasty. If you are really, truly sold on one of the big 3 rookie RBs, you should probably make a move that will maximize Tomlinson's value. If you moved him now, you should be able to get two young studs, although I am in general opposed to trading a stud for multiple players. A trade that could net me Jonathan Stewart and Anquan Boldin, or something to that effect while maybe throwing a 3rd or 4th round pick, I would have to think about.
You never really can tell how quick the bottom is going to fall out. Tomlinson could be like Curtis Martin or Fred Taylor and constantly defy those who claim a decrease in talent, but he could also fizzle out rather abruptly as did Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes.
You never really can tell how quick the bottom is going to fall out. Tomlinson could be like Curtis Martin or Fred Taylor and constantly defy those who claim a decrease in talent, but he could also fizzle out rather abruptly as did Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes.
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I understand your reluctance to see Dunn as a threat, but Tampa clearly expects him to play a big part - throwing a 2 year, 6 mil contract at him when they knew Graham wanted a new deal shows me their priorities.
I would hold the phone on Graham. If your arguement of follow the money holds, Graham could in for a huge raise very soon and the #1 in Tampa. Big contract = #1 opportunities = fantasy gold for the next 2 years. I'm more of a buyer than seller at this point.See the latest news:Earnest Graham-RB- Buccaneers Jun. 13 - 11:12 am et GM Bruce Allen was confident that Earnest Graham's contract dispute will get worked out, and believes he'll show up to mandatory minicamp next week.Source: Tampa Tribune
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Sell high:
QB's
Tom Brady - Sure, he is a top 3 QB, but i have seen people getting some crazy stuff in return for him in trades.
Eli Manning - He is a solid but unspectacular dynasty QB, his valueis higher than it should be right now with the SB win.
RB's
LT- He is probably my biggest sell high right now. He is a great player, but dont get stuck with him when his value plummets, ie. Shaun Alexander.
AD - Yes, he is the #1 dynasty RB, but no player is worth what you could get for him in return.
Addai - I know, i am listing an all-star dynasty lineup, but i think Addai's value is at its peak right now. He is talented, but he is also considered a top 3-5 dynasty back, and its based mostly on situation. I think the Colts will be more RBBC in the near and distance future.
Ernest Graham - Trade him to the guy in your league who is dilusional, and thinks he will be the Bucs RB for the next few years.
LJ - His name power far outweighs his his current value.
Ryan Grant - There is probably a guy in your league who would give you a top 10 young WR(Colston, CJ, etc.) and drafts pick(s) for him, if so, take it.
WR's
T.J. Houshmandzadeh - Some people actually value him as a top 5 WR, if you have one of those people in your league, trade with him ASAP.
Santana Moss/Donald Driver - Both these guys have young QB's, which hurts their short term value, and younger talented WR's behind them ready to take their jobs.
QB's
Tom Brady - Sure, he is a top 3 QB, but i have seen people getting some crazy stuff in return for him in trades.
Eli Manning - He is a solid but unspectacular dynasty QB, his valueis higher than it should be right now with the SB win.
RB's
LT- He is probably my biggest sell high right now. He is a great player, but dont get stuck with him when his value plummets, ie. Shaun Alexander.
AD - Yes, he is the #1 dynasty RB, but no player is worth what you could get for him in return.
Addai - I know, i am listing an all-star dynasty lineup, but i think Addai's value is at its peak right now. He is talented, but he is also considered a top 3-5 dynasty back, and its based mostly on situation. I think the Colts will be more RBBC in the near and distance future.
Ernest Graham - Trade him to the guy in your league who is dilusional, and thinks he will be the Bucs RB for the next few years.
LJ - His name power far outweighs his his current value.
Ryan Grant - There is probably a guy in your league who would give you a top 10 young WR(Colston, CJ, etc.) and drafts pick(s) for him, if so, take it.
WR's
T.J. Houshmandzadeh - Some people actually value him as a top 5 WR, if you have one of those people in your league, trade with him ASAP.
Santana Moss/Donald Driver - Both these guys have young QB's, which hurts their short term value, and younger talented WR's behind them ready to take their jobs.
Like you said for Roethlisberger... Talent > Situation. Norwood is the only back in NFL HISTORY with 200+ rushing attempts and a career ypc over 6 yards. Sure, that's a small sample size, but he followed up a 99-carry, 6.3 ypc year with a 103-carry, 6.0 ypc year. If you like DVOA, then Norwood was the #1 RB by an absurd margin last year (ahead of Marion the Barbarian), and the #3 RB the year before (behind Turner and essentially tied with Marion Barber). He may be a change of pace back right now, but once upon a time, MJD and Marion Barber were both Change of Pace backs, too. Their absurd per-play metrics eventually led to a bigger role for them. I have a hard time believing that Norwood's won't one day produce the same result.Do I ever think he's going to be a workhorse? No way, not a chance. I do, however, believe he's capable of getting 250 touches and 1200 yards a year. I wouldn't want him as an RB1, but I think once his career settles down he'll make a serviceable RB2 and a stellar RB3, and right now his cost is way below that. Buy low.
EBF
Footballguy
Unlike MJD and Barber, Norwood is built like a twig. He never had more than 200 carries in a college season and I'll be surprised if he ever gets that amount in the NFL. He isn't physically built to endure the rigors of the job, which is probably why two different coaching staffs have deemed him unworthy of a starting role.He's always been a talented player, but he is what he is: a change of pace back. Nothing more.
Like I said, I don't expect him to be a workhorse, but I think 250 touches (combined rushes/receptions) is a reasonably attainable goal. Heck, even with 200 touches he's going to far outperform his current market value. And I think it's a little bit too early to write off his chances of becoming a full-time back entirely- just look at his backfield mate last season... all 180 pounds of him. Footballguys currently has him as the 40th ranked RB in their consensus dynasty rankings. That's ABSURDLY low for a 25-year old RB with a 6+ career yard per carry average. At this point, he's almost all upside at next to no cost. He is an EXTREMELY talented runner- one of the most talented runners in the entire league. Like you said, in the end, talent usually wins out.
PranksterJD
Footballguy
FWIW, in the recent Zealots startups Norwood's got an ADP in the middle 10th round, and he's going as early as the late 6th. It sounds like its still later than you have him ranked, but I wouldn't exactly say that he's available for "no" cost. Granted, we have to take the value with a grain of salt since its only a 12 league sampling, but there are still some pretty talented guys at that point who you'll have to pass on to take your shot at Norwood.
FBGs has him as RB43 in dynasty, right below Chester Taylor, Chris Johnson, and Fred Taylor, and right above Justin Fargas, Kevin Jones, and Deuce McAllister. That's two RBs (F. Taylor and McAllister) who are so old and injury-riddled that anything they give you past this season has to be considered a huge bonus, an RB that currently doesn't have a team, a handcuff, and two other low-mileage guys who can only HOPE to one day demonstrate as much as Norwood already has. That's out of line, in my opinion. I'd rank him a good 10-15 slots higher. In my opinion, Norwood is essentially Felix Jones without the bust risk (because we already KNOW he can play at an NFL level).Now, would I go off the deep end in order to acquire him? No, of course not- I view him as a high-end RB3 or a very low-end RB2 for someone who is going to throw a lot of bodies at the position and hope something sticks in the short term. I think Norwood's long-term value far outweighs his value this season, though.
EBF
Footballguy
I don't think he has much upside at RB40. Sure, he'd be a better FF player if he got 250 touches, but where are those touches going to come from? The Falcons are paying Michael Turner $15 million in guaranteed money. He's their horse. Norwood will have the same role he's had the last two years and I don't see any reason to expect a team to ever expand that role. I agree that he's very talented, but he's not cut out for the meat-and-potatoes part of the job. He's a good example of a great talent trapped in a poor frame.
I don't see much cause for optimism. He's been passed over by two coaching staffs and his build is abnormal. If he were 15 pounds heavier then I'd be more interested, but he's built too lanky. I'll be stunned if he's ever a long term starter.
Two different animals. Dunn is compact with very strong legs for his weight. Norwood is a beanpole by NFL standards. Also, Dunn was a top 15 draft pick who compiled 2,800 total yards in his first two NFL seasons.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I know it's a very common thing around here to read about Norwood's poor frame and toothpick legs. However, I've actually tried pulling up some pictures of him and I'm not sure I necessarily agree. Now, I'm not saying he's built like Gore or LT with a thick lower body, but I've also seen much leaner. Looking at him, he really isn't that disproportionate. I think his frame has been a bit overexaggerated and I agree this is probably the best time to get him. He will be near impossible to pry from Turner owners, but otherwise his cost is relatively low.Picture 1
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Good stuff, as always, Sig.
I've been saying for a month or so that if the general consensus on Bulger remains the same as it is right now he's going to be low hanging fruit. I just can't see their OL being that horrid/decimated two years in a row. I think he is an excellent buy low in that Saunders offense. Health, as always, is the concern there, but when he plays I expect him to produce well.
I see Roethlisberger as more of a "hold" than anything. Yeah, expecting 30+ TDs out of him annually isn't realistic. Expecting mid 20's as long as Arians is the OC? I can be convinced of that.
He's a little tough to project, to tell you the truth. Yes, Mendenhall was picked up in round one.....which they immediately followed up with selecting another big WR with good hands in round 2. I've seen Mike Tomlin stating he wants to "run tougher" this year. That's not that same as "running more." And they ran a good bit last year anyway, and he still put up the #s he put up. I get the feeling that this is no longer "your father's Steeler offense."
I suppose if you find someone who thinks he's annually going to be top 5, then yeah, he's a sell high. Maybe it's just the people I play with in my leagues/people I talk to, but I'm hearing more people thinking he's going to fall back to the pack than believe he's going to maintain the TD #s he got in '07.
I've brought this up prior, but I'll do it again: Bruce Arians has held up the "James Era" Colts as a part of the pattern he tries to use for his offense. Lots of multi-TE sets, lots of timing patterns where the QB hits the hot reads. Now, Roethlisberger obviously isn't Manning. His strengths are his mobility in the pocket and his improvisational ability, not accuracy necessarily. So, while I don't ever expect a carbon copy of that offense, I think seeing them continue to throw in the RZ more than they did under Cowher won't be a shock at all. Between Sweed, Miller, Spaeth and even Ward they've basically come loaded for Bear in the red zone.
Now, whether any of that Arians stuff ever comes to fruition is anyone's guess at this point. He can desire to have an offense like the Colts all he wants, but the players have to be able to execute it. If they DO....then you have to figure Ben will be the primary beneficiary. If they don't, he'll probably do what I thought may be his career track after his first season: John Elway type #s. Mid-3,000 passing yards and around 20 TDs annually with a rush score or two when he plays a full slate of games, with the talent to spike up in a given year. They've surrounded him with a lot more talent at the skill positions since then though. Brought in a new coaching staff with a new philosophy on offense. And he's just developed more quickly than I thought he would. And there's also the fact that even though he hasn't thrown a ton historically, he's been very efficient with the throws he has made. Yardage could be up and down for him, but I think he's going to have a really good chance to get into the mid-20s for TD passes most years if they keep the same offensive philosophy that they have now. They don't seem shy about throwing in the RZ and have the players available to keep doing it.
People keep saying that Brady is a "sell high"(and I agree), but I think the bigger "sell high" on the Patriots is Moss. Brady won't throw 50 again, but he could get 30+, which is still excellent. I think we can almost guarantee Moss won't score over 20 TDs again. If someone is willing to give you "23 TD" value for him, you take it and run.
I've been saying for a month or so that if the general consensus on Bulger remains the same as it is right now he's going to be low hanging fruit. I just can't see their OL being that horrid/decimated two years in a row. I think he is an excellent buy low in that Saunders offense. Health, as always, is the concern there, but when he plays I expect him to produce well.
I see Roethlisberger as more of a "hold" than anything. Yeah, expecting 30+ TDs out of him annually isn't realistic. Expecting mid 20's as long as Arians is the OC? I can be convinced of that.
He's a little tough to project, to tell you the truth. Yes, Mendenhall was picked up in round one.....which they immediately followed up with selecting another big WR with good hands in round 2. I've seen Mike Tomlin stating he wants to "run tougher" this year. That's not that same as "running more." And they ran a good bit last year anyway, and he still put up the #s he put up. I get the feeling that this is no longer "your father's Steeler offense."
I suppose if you find someone who thinks he's annually going to be top 5, then yeah, he's a sell high. Maybe it's just the people I play with in my leagues/people I talk to, but I'm hearing more people thinking he's going to fall back to the pack than believe he's going to maintain the TD #s he got in '07.
I've brought this up prior, but I'll do it again: Bruce Arians has held up the "James Era" Colts as a part of the pattern he tries to use for his offense. Lots of multi-TE sets, lots of timing patterns where the QB hits the hot reads. Now, Roethlisberger obviously isn't Manning. His strengths are his mobility in the pocket and his improvisational ability, not accuracy necessarily. So, while I don't ever expect a carbon copy of that offense, I think seeing them continue to throw in the RZ more than they did under Cowher won't be a shock at all. Between Sweed, Miller, Spaeth and even Ward they've basically come loaded for Bear in the red zone.
Now, whether any of that Arians stuff ever comes to fruition is anyone's guess at this point. He can desire to have an offense like the Colts all he wants, but the players have to be able to execute it. If they DO....then you have to figure Ben will be the primary beneficiary. If they don't, he'll probably do what I thought may be his career track after his first season: John Elway type #s. Mid-3,000 passing yards and around 20 TDs annually with a rush score or two when he plays a full slate of games, with the talent to spike up in a given year. They've surrounded him with a lot more talent at the skill positions since then though. Brought in a new coaching staff with a new philosophy on offense. And he's just developed more quickly than I thought he would. And there's also the fact that even though he hasn't thrown a ton historically, he's been very efficient with the throws he has made. Yardage could be up and down for him, but I think he's going to have a really good chance to get into the mid-20s for TD passes most years if they keep the same offensive philosophy that they have now. They don't seem shy about throwing in the RZ and have the players available to keep doing it.
People keep saying that Brady is a "sell high"(and I agree), but I think the bigger "sell high" on the Patriots is Moss. Brady won't throw 50 again, but he could get 30+, which is still excellent. I think we can almost guarantee Moss won't score over 20 TDs again. If someone is willing to give you "23 TD" value for him, you take it and run.
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Y'all bring up some good points on Big Ben - my sell high angle on him is mainly to turn him into Brees/Romo/Manning/Brady if you can - QBs that are truly the center of the game plan week in, week out. Roethlisberger will have too many duds with yardage below 200 and a TD because the running game and defense dominate each year to make him a great every week starter. I probably wouldn't trade down from Roethlisberger, although you would probably get someone who is looking to upgrade to Big Ben to pay more.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
And I can totally get behind that line of thinking. If you can find someone who's willing to give you top 5/6 value for Roeth, you pounce on that in a nanosecond. While I think he's got the ability to be a frequent visitor to the Top 5, I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that's going to happen yet. If he drops another 30 TDs this year though...... I want to see another year out of him in this offense before I start believing that's going to happen.
Still, I think worst case he settles in at around QB8-10 most years, with the chance to spike if he gets hot in a particular season. As you say, not someone you'd necessarily want to "trade down" from.
Looking over the QB list again....If you have Rosenfels listed as a buy low, due to Schaub being an injury risk and how Sage performed when he took over, wouldn't Schaub qualify too, for the same reason(his apparent injury risk that may well knock down his perceived value)? The #s that Houston passing game put up without Johnson/Schaub weren't bad at all, that's for sure. Or are you seeing Schaub's ADP higher than I am? Most mocks I've participated in lately he's going late 9/early 10. Right around the same place as DEL-home(that was for Cecil). Hell, without looking at bye weeks, if I'm sitting there with the first or 2nd pick it may be worth punting on QBs til that round 9/10 turn and grabbing both those guys as a QBBC. Then grab Rosenfels with your last pick.
Still, I think worst case he settles in at around QB8-10 most years, with the chance to spike if he gets hot in a particular season. As you say, not someone you'd necessarily want to "trade down" from.
Looking over the QB list again....If you have Rosenfels listed as a buy low, due to Schaub being an injury risk and how Sage performed when he took over, wouldn't Schaub qualify too, for the same reason(his apparent injury risk that may well knock down his perceived value)? The #s that Houston passing game put up without Johnson/Schaub weren't bad at all, that's for sure. Or are you seeing Schaub's ADP higher than I am? Most mocks I've participated in lately he's going late 9/early 10. Right around the same place as DEL-home(that was for Cecil). Hell, without looking at bye weeks, if I'm sitting there with the first or 2nd pick it may be worth punting on QBs til that round 9/10 turn and grabbing both those guys as a QBBC. Then grab Rosenfels with your last pick.
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Schaub is a decent buy low, he can definitely be a low QB1 when healthy - didnt throw for less than 225 in any of his full games, and they have a lot of weapons. He might be tough to get, however, because his owners likely rode out his backup period in Atlanta, or traded for him with a lot of optimism last year, so I doubt they are ready to cut bait yet.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I keep forgetting these have a focus on dynasty.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
I wouldn't be selling Big Ben. It is extremely unlikely that you will be able to get one of the QBs you mentioned for him, and Brees/Manning/Brady are all several years older. The Steelers have an offensive coordinator that loves to throw, just drafted a RB who is an excellent receiver, drafted Sweed, and have Ward, Miller, and Santonio. They won't be going to a conservative rushing attack any time soon. Last year's stats have just scratched the surface of what Ben can do...if he can put up 30 TDs in an offense with limited attempts he will be even more successful when they decide to throw more.
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Who the heck buys Thomas Jones low in a dynasty league. He has one year left as a mediocre RB2 at best. Definetly not the definition of buy low.And Roddy White is the most perfect example of a Sell High candidate then I've ever seen. By your "buy low" expectations you think he's going to finish in the top 8 or something. WTF!! He is the ultimate sell high and I sure wish I was in your fantasy leagues. Coles is also a sell high candidate. He has decent PPR stats but he is becoming a picture of inconsistency with numerous injuries and uncertainty at the QB positions. I have a feeling you own all these guys and are trying to up their value which is 1) quite funny; 2) quite desperate and 3) extremely amateur fantasy football move. I do agree with Jonathan Stewart (wish I owned him).
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Boy, someone needs a nap.
You're probably right, but I saw him go before Romo AND Brees in a recent dynasty startup I'm participating in, and Ive seen at least a few people say they have him as high as QB3 - which necessarily puts him ahead of at least one of Brees and Romo (probably both). My advice is just to toss out trade offers to the owners of those QBs to see if they are a Big Ben believer. Also just to belabor this point - The Steelers scored 34 TDs through the air and 9 on the ground last year - that kind of split is clearly an aberration. Even the prolific passing attacks of NO/DAL/NE/IND all had at least 14 rushing TDs last year - as I said in the piece, if the Steelers become a more efficient running team in the red zone (say score 14 instead of 9), then Big Ben drops from the verge of elite to a solid but unexciting QB1. Good debate and good points here though. I definitely see the talent/Arians arguments as valid - maybe I just have a blind spot about the Steelers remaining a run first team.
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Ive seen him fall farther than he should in initial dynasty and early redrafts - but maybe the people who got to enjoy the ride last year are much tougher to budge. I own Brady in one 16 teamer and I dangled him early in the offseason to some owners of players I coveted and mostly got the cold shoulder.
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Zoomanji
Footballguy
I'm curious how far.I've seen him go late 1st/ early 2nd in a few 16 teamers but they are different dynamics than 12 team.
14 teamer, he fell to 3.03 (#31), falling into the mid 2nd in a 12 team redraft - but it seems like those were aberrations.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Those 16 teams were both dynasty. He went before Manning in one and after in the other.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Coles was hurt and missed 5 games last season. But in his previous 6 seasons, he did not miss a game, so the "numerous injuries" comment is misleading. I also personally find the bolded part of your post to be a completely ridiculous statement. Anyone who knows Bloom knows he is a man of integrity. I also play in several leagues with him and know for a fact that your comment is 100% untrue. It's fine to disagree with someone, but there is no need for a comment like the one you made unless you can prove it with facts.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
LBH=Bloom
I think Denver Broncos was referring to the LBH post not Blooms article. And its not the 1st post by DB that I've seen and thought that he was an idiot.
I think he's talking about Broncos, but I know who I'll call as a character witness if I need one
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Thanks for pointing out my mistake in who DB was talking about, but there is still no need for that comment. I know what I need now:LBH=BloomI think Denver Broncos was referring to the LBH post not Blooms article. And its not the 1st post by DB that I've seen and thought that he was an idiot.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think some of the best buy lows in any given year are the older WRs. Everyone wants the new shiny toy, but the old dull sun beaten ones still work just fine for a low cost. WRs like Driver, Coles, Bruce, Galloway...and others...have value even in a dynasty if you can win now.
KoolKat
Footballguy
I completely agree. Guys like that are that are undervalued every year, and if you own them you wont be able to get a fair exchange if you try to move them.
