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Buying low on Shonn Greene (1 Viewer)
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gary mexico
Footballguy
Not sure how either are going to get hurt getting 10-15 carries a game? They certainly wont be wore out..
BoulderBob
Footballguy
That "owner" is ridiculous...if the Jets are smart(and I believe Ryan and company are) they will do everything they can to have both, or at least one of the two fresh and healthy for the playoffs. Not good for fantasy owners of either back, but good for the NYJ. Greene will still put up some stud/#1 numbers in the weeks they rest LT a bit...but I do believe he is now a #3/#4 fantasy back, but to cut him? Terrible, imo...unless you can only carry 4-5 backs, then there are a few scenarios where it would at least not be ridiculous...The Greene owner in one of my leagues just released him to waivers.Looks like people have given up on him after three games... If I can, I will grab him and stash him away just in case LT gets hobbled or wears down.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Same here...I submitted my waiver claim yesterday. I'm #6, so I doubt I get him, but we'll see. It's all these reports that he didn't "start" last week that got people freaked out. I think he was WAY over valued at his ADP going into the year, but not to the point that he's droppable. I don't think the issue will be LT wearing down, but more how the Jets start getting leads. If they get ahead, they've got enough carries for both guys to get ~20/game, which is more than a guy like Pierre Thomas gets as the #1 back.The Greene owner in one of my leagues just released him to waivers.Looks like people have given up on him after three games... If I can, I will grab him and stash him away just in case LT gets hobbled or wears down.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
best buy going right now IMO
I was thinking the same thing and I was looking for a little possible upside for a 3rd RB so I traded for him this week.12 team league standard yahoo redraft league. I received Shonn Greene for Tim Hightower and Jason Witten.Figured Hightower is on the way out in AZ and I've got Keller as my other TE so I was willing to part ways with the stumbling Witten.
gpthatsme
Footballguy
I think he has a reclamation game this week. They are facing the Bills who have given up a ton of yards on the ground so far. LT could use the rest and Greene could use some confidence. I think they feed him this week. I watched the game last week and thought he actually looked good, but just could never get lucky. He had one good run called back which hurt his stats. He got shoe-string tackled again on a play where he had room. Just a great tackle, but again, it hurt his stats. You give him those few runs and he would have had a stat line more like 12 for 55 or 60. Against a stout Miami Def that's pretty good. Granted no TDs but the yards per attempt were where you want them to be. He looked strong.
I own him so full disclosure but I have been able to get by without starting him. I think Rex knows he will need him to come up big at some point in the season and he would be stupid to assume that LT can make it the whole way uninjured. He prays that he will, but he knows that he likely won't. Rex needs to give Greene some opportunities in order to let the kid gain some confidence back. I think this week is the week to do it. I expect 100 yards and a TD out of Greene this week.
I own him so full disclosure but I have been able to get by without starting him. I think Rex knows he will need him to come up big at some point in the season and he would be stupid to assume that LT can make it the whole way uninjured. He prays that he will, but he knows that he likely won't. Rex needs to give Greene some opportunities in order to let the kid gain some confidence back. I think this week is the week to do it. I expect 100 yards and a TD out of Greene this week.
Shutout
Footballguy
I can understand the frustration of owners who drafted him high and are probably taking it on the chin right now (I guess its coincidence but I am in two leagues where an owner's first two picks were MJD and Greene...they are hurting right now). But to cut him? Kinda silly.
The NFL is a long season on a body and the real life Jets are playing it smart. They see what they had last year when Greene came on fresh and ran so well late. They would be silly NOT to try to set that up again. People just have to be patient. This is a year for the Jets where its Super Bowl or bust and while in most years you would just go with you got, I have a feeling the Jets are being very strategic on setting their players up for the latter part of the year. They aren't rushing revis, they aren't over using their runners, they aren't panicking on Sanchez. They are being smart.
FWIW, I have received three offers for Greene this week in the league I have him. Two were rediculous, one was MSW. So, yes, I think people are lowering their valuation on him and the sharks are finning.
The NFL is a long season on a body and the real life Jets are playing it smart. They see what they had last year when Greene came on fresh and ran so well late. They would be silly NOT to try to set that up again. People just have to be patient. This is a year for the Jets where its Super Bowl or bust and while in most years you would just go with you got, I have a feeling the Jets are being very strategic on setting their players up for the latter part of the year. They aren't rushing revis, they aren't over using their runners, they aren't panicking on Sanchez. They are being smart.
FWIW, I have received three offers for Greene this week in the league I have him. Two were rediculous, one was MSW. So, yes, I think people are lowering their valuation on him and the sharks are finning.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Greene was just dropped in my league yesterday as well, I also put in a waiver immediately for him. I doubt I'll get him honestly, as I'm currently #7 out of 10 in priority, but definitely worth a try to buy and stash away. I refuse to believe he will be inneffective for the entire season.
footballnerd
Footballguy
owners must be dropping him out of spite. scouring all my leagues hourly for a greene waiver siting
d3cyph3r
Footballguy
Would you drop Johnathan Stewart to pick up Shonne Greene?
The Great Snook
Footballguy
Really, I think I like S. Moss better.urbanhack said:
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
We shall see. I'm deep at WR and have needs at RB. Feels like I'm buying low, but maybe not.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I just traded Orton and Stewart for Greene and Hasslebeck.
I have Rodgers so didn't need Orton (God Forbid Rodgers gets hurt...)
AP and Charles off this week. Hoping Greene helps me out this week.
I have Rodgers so didn't need Orton (God Forbid Rodgers gets hurt...)
AP and Charles off this week. Hoping Greene helps me out this week.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Ditto. I traded P. Garcon for S. Moss before week 1 and I look like a genius right now. I wouldn't give Moss for Green as it stands.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I think he's a decent buy low at the right price. The Jets will probably run the ball more and more as the season progresses and the weather gets colder--that's what they did last year. So if Greene is getting 10 carries per game now, by December I would expect him to be getting 15. And that's if LT stays healthy and the ratio of carries persists.
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NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
12 Team Redraft Perf Scoring
Traded Barber for Greene.
Think it shows how much people are down on him.
Traded Barber for Greene.
Think it shows how much people are down on him.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
That's an even trade IMO, it's not buying low. the way the carries are currently distributed on their respective teams, Barber holds more value than Greene. But Greene has more upside, because the Jets have a higher carry ceiling and LT has a history of injuries in recent years.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Agree 100%. It is all about upside with this one. RB #4 I should add as well.
Rylenol
Footballguy
As a Greene owner I'm disappointed but I have to say, the guy's a talent. He's one of the better power backs in the league and he's in a situation where he's simply being outplayed by a guy in LT who has more versatility. Not the most brilliant perspective in the world but I see Greene as much more of a Rex Ryan guy and LT as more of a Schotty/offensive coordinator's kind of guy in that he can do more for you on the field than a one dimensional back like Greene. Would sure like to see Greene make a mark for himself this week against Buffalo.
Ouch, I apparently wasn't paying attention to that part when i picked him up this week.
War Eagle
Footballguy
Agreed, BUT...he also runs behind a top offensive line. It's a wash IMO
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Greene also dropped in one of my leagues.
Dropping Maroney to get him, deal is I have to start him though due to Moreno being hurt and due to the bye week.
Question: is LT the technical starter and does it matter if so?
Carry split has been:
Greene:
WK OPP RES RSH YD Y/R TD REC YD Y/R TD FPT
1 vs BAL L, 9-10 5 18 3.6 0 1 9 9.0 0 3
2 vs NE W, 28-14 15 52 3.5 0 1 8 8.0 0 6
3 at MIA W, 31-23 10 36 3.6 0 0 0 0 4
LT:
WK OPP RES RSH YD Y/R TD REC YD Y/R TD FPT
1 vs BAL L, 9-10 11 62 5.6 0 2 16 8.0 0 8
2 vs NE W, 28-14 11 76 6.9 0 4 26 6.5 0 10
3 at MIA W, 31-23 15 70 4.7 1 3 18 6.0 0 15
It's basically LT at 2-1 in carries.
But what's interesting to me is FG has LT AS THEIR NO. 5 RB THIS WEEK @ BUF, (!, really?) but Greene only at No. 27.
BUF is No. 29 in rush defense, last in scoring defense. Choice matchup.
Dropping Maroney to get him, deal is I have to start him though due to Moreno being hurt and due to the bye week.
Question: is LT the technical starter and does it matter if so?
Carry split has been:
Greene:
WK OPP RES RSH YD Y/R TD REC YD Y/R TD FPT
1 vs BAL L, 9-10 5 18 3.6 0 1 9 9.0 0 3
2 vs NE W, 28-14 15 52 3.5 0 1 8 8.0 0 6
3 at MIA W, 31-23 10 36 3.6 0 0 0 0 4
LT:
WK OPP RES RSH YD Y/R TD REC YD Y/R TD FPT
1 vs BAL L, 9-10 11 62 5.6 0 2 16 8.0 0 8
2 vs NE W, 28-14 11 76 6.9 0 4 26 6.5 0 10
3 at MIA W, 31-23 15 70 4.7 1 3 18 6.0 0 15
It's basically LT at 2-1 in carries.
But what's interesting to me is FG has LT AS THEIR NO. 5 RB THIS WEEK @ BUF, (!, really?) but Greene only at No. 27.
BUF is No. 29 in rush defense, last in scoring defense. Choice matchup.
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Slevin Kelevra
Footballguy
Last 4 games
Greene 35x168yds (4.8 ypc)
LT 68x250yds (3.7 ypc)
LT last 3 games: 3.4 ypc, 2.7 ypc, 3.7 ypc
Greene 35x168yds (4.8 ypc)
LT 68x250yds (3.7 ypc)
LT last 3 games: 3.4 ypc, 2.7 ypc, 3.7 ypc
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
LT is getting good PPR points. That's the only thing saving him.
Slevin Kelevra
Footballguy
Hopefully Rex Ryan will notice the trendDazed and Confused said:
Resident A
Footballguy
Everybody keeps saying Greene will get his chance, but the year's half over & he's not even bye week startable. Green really isn't any more valuable than Tolbert.
Even if LT gets hurt, I don't think Greene is good enough to turn your season around. He'd be a useable RB2 along the lines of Blount or Benson.
Even if LT gets hurt, I don't think Greene is good enough to turn your season around. He'd be a useable RB2 along the lines of Blount or Benson.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I have Greene in my dynasty league and my only hope is next year. Not even starting him when I have bye week issues.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
What is the dynasty price for Greene if you are riding LT? Is a late 1st good for both sides? Or is that overpaying/underpaying at this point?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Really?What if you're in first place and need depth and more options as the playoffs near?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
And wait until it gets cold.....
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I have LT in a dynastydealt my backup QB Flacco (have Brees) and a 4th rd pick for Cassel, S Greene and a 2nd rder.....I think Greene takes over but not this year...if you have LT in a dynasty keeper now is the time to get Greene.
Doug B
Footballguy
I own Greene in a 6-man keeper league. In this particular league, I value him as a second-tier FFB RB1, behind only the Peterson-C. Johnson-A. Foster tier. That's of course a valuation more of his future upside and less of his present performance/situation. But if I were in a dynasty, I'd value him similarly.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Interesting. Of course we'll see how Greene would really look if he had twice the number of touches...but it's a promising start.Slevin Kelevra said:
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
The thing I think I really...REALLY underestimated as a Greene owner was just how much the lack of receiving ability could hurt him. He's running the ball well but he won't ever be anything special (granted, I'm coming from a dynasty league heavily weighted toward receiving and big-play bonus'). Defenses can basically forget about him once Sanchez get deeper than Greene on any given play. That's a useful bit of information to have. In my eyes, his upside is "solid" RB2.
Slevin Kelevra
Footballguy
LaDainian Tomlinson (rest) was held out of Jets practice Wednesday.
Tomlinson's productivity has fallen by the wayside since the season's first month, so the Jets appear to be hoping that scaling back his practice reps will allow the 31-year-old's legs to freshen. L.T. is no longer making defenders miss, averaging just 3.25 yards per carry in his last three games. Shonn Greene took the first-team reps in Wednesday's practice
Tomlinson's productivity has fallen by the wayside since the season's first month, so the Jets appear to be hoping that scaling back his practice reps will allow the 31-year-old's legs to freshen. L.T. is no longer making defenders miss, averaging just 3.25 yards per carry in his last three games. Shonn Greene took the first-team reps in Wednesday's practice
Insein
Footballguy
Someone did that in my league 3 weeks ago. I couldn't put the add/drop in any faster to snag him.The Greene owner in one of my leagues just released him to waivers.Looks like people have given up on him after three games... If I can, I will grab him and stash him away just in case LT gets hobbled or wears down.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
it would help if that vaunted o-line would open up a freakin' hole once in awhile
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I am picking up Greene tonight. LT seems to be wearing down a bit and does not like the cold weather.
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
As long as LT is healthy, Green has very little value. LT has plenty of value in a ppr and the Jets trust him.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Interesting. Did he tell you this?
Reaper
Footballguy
I think most Jets fans said that in Greene threads pre-season. Rex said balls bounce off his hands... There was no secret at all that he was a 1 trick pony "hoping" to improve......The Jets need to get a lead on a team and then run Greene all day.... That's been the problem, Drops and penalties that put them in a hole.....
This week I would come out on Cleveland and Play Action Pass up and down the field get a score and a lead and then give it to Greene. Use that 2 minute offense they finished with last week - the team likes it Sanchez likes it. Put it on them to get a jump. Braylon can't wait till game time... Feed him.
The Jets can't continue to run LT into 9 man Brick walls.... Soften it up with Greene first at least....
Look at the Detroit game... Running LT into a wall did nothing.. that should have been Greene and then LT was there anyway at the end to close it out without the lead... Save LT a little here..
If Teams stack the box then either Play Action Pass OR Greene.
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