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healthpellets
Footballguy
Clausen > LeFevor > Bradford > Tebow > McCoy
how bout that?
how bout that?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I actually agree.
EBF
Footballguy
Man, I really don't like this QB class. There might not be a star in the bunch.
Having said that, I like Bradford most of the guys who were drafted.
To me McCoy looks like a college overachiever with marginal physical tools for the pro game. People throw out the Drew Brees comparison because they're both short, but I really don't see McCoy as the next Brees/Favre. At best I could see him becoming Jeff Garcia. Troy Smith might be a more likely career outcome.
Having said that, I like Bradford most of the guys who were drafted.
To me McCoy looks like a college overachiever with marginal physical tools for the pro game. People throw out the Drew Brees comparison because they're both short, but I really don't see McCoy as the next Brees/Favre. At best I could see him becoming Jeff Garcia. Troy Smith might be a more likely career outcome.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Bradford is far and above the best in this class
McCoy is OVERRATED even in the third round
McCoy is OVERRATED even in the third round
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Dilfer could not stop raving about McCoy today prior to day 2 of the draft.
"McCoy is THE GEM of the draft" was the quote that stuck with me. Loves his arm strength (which some people criticize), loves his football IQ, loves his athleticism... loves everything about him. I'm not sure I agree, but he did make a pretty good case.
"McCoy is THE GEM of the draft" was the quote that stuck with me. Loves his arm strength (which some people criticize), loves his football IQ, loves his athleticism... loves everything about him. I'm not sure I agree, but he did make a pretty good case.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't like this QB class either. I definately felt like McCoy and Tebow wouldn't be NFL stars. I like both players in college, so I'm hoping to be wrong. Clausen has a chance to be decent, I like the CMU QB Dan LeFevour the most as a dark horse, but not 100 percent sure about him. I've watched a lot of those MAC QB's come thru and I think this guy could be another one that eventually turns into a starter in the NFL. The good thing about being a 4th rounder is that you won't be thrust into the starter roll, so he'll have a year or two to develop.
I am unsure about Bradford. It's definately fair to say most people are way higher on him than I am. One thing that comes to my mind is with Oklahoma, with all these top 5 players in the entire NFL draft, why wasn't this All Star team head and shoulders the best team in college? I have a feeling somebody's a bust in this group and overestimated how good they were because although Oklahoma was good, I didn't see a super team out on the field which is what this draft looked like for them.
I'm in no way a negataive Nancy, there's been years where I like a whole bunch of QB's and I scratch my head saying to myself I know all these guys can't be good, it just doesn't work that way. This year, I'm just glad the teams I root for in Detroit and Dallas weren't in need of a QB (unless Dallas can land LeFevour late).
I am unsure about Bradford. It's definately fair to say most people are way higher on him than I am. One thing that comes to my mind is with Oklahoma, with all these top 5 players in the entire NFL draft, why wasn't this All Star team head and shoulders the best team in college? I have a feeling somebody's a bust in this group and overestimated how good they were because although Oklahoma was good, I didn't see a super team out on the field which is what this draft looked like for them.
I'm in no way a negataive Nancy, there's been years where I like a whole bunch of QB's and I scratch my head saying to myself I know all these guys can't be good, it just doesn't work that way. This year, I'm just glad the teams I root for in Detroit and Dallas weren't in need of a QB (unless Dallas can land LeFevour late).
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
If McCoy has such a weak arm, which "experts" have noted, how does he have such a high completion percentage? It's off the charts 70% and it was 77% in 2008. I think it was a definite good gamble by the Browns. That offense fits him perfectly
I agree that McCoy is pretty good value in the third, but that question has an easy answer. It's because he threw lots and lots of really really short passes.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Well, Bradford and McCoy are on familiar similar offenses (in terms of having very few weapons), so it should be an even race. Hell, Tebow has very few weapons, either, since Denver traded their two big ones away (Marshall and Scheffler). Granted they drafted a new WR, but I'm not all that sold on him, either.
It will be interesting...
It will be interesting...
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If the Rams had a crystal ball I think they would have loved to get McCoy in the third and taken Suh first.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Well, I wouldn't consider Massaquoi/Robiskie deep vertical threats so that won't be a problem. CLE really needs a Welker/Shipley guy now - someone McCoy can count on as the go-to-guy. Anyways, McCoy's YPA in college was around 8 so it wasn't THAT bad - actually more accurate than Clausen and Jimmy had talent around him with Floyd/Tate.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
McCoy will have a slightly better career than Major Applewhite
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jurb26
Footballguy
Clausen will be the best QB of this class IMO. I agree with others who feel this class is pretty weak. I don't think there are any franchise caliber QBs in it and in reality I think the best we can hope for is to come away with 2 average starters of this group. I'm fairly confident that Clausen will be 1 of those 2.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
LOL - McCoy did break most of his records...Applewhite wasn't even drafted though.
I would rather overdraft a qb in bottom of 3rd rd vs overdrafting a qb with the very first pick of the draft. Bradford is far more overrated than McCoy. I think Bradford is the better prospect, but no way was he even close to being the top player in this draft.Blackjacks said:
Sinrman
Footballguy
Though I don't agree that Clausen is the best of the class, I do think he'll have the best opportunity to shine. He fell into a more ideal offense than the others...
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Which is why he's perfect for the West Coast offense. I think overall Bradford>McCoy>Clausen>LeFevour>Pike>TebowDue to circumstances:Clausen>McCoy>Bradford>Clausen couldn't have asked for a better landing spot considering it's the same offense and terminology in Carolina that he ran at Notre Dame.
Not really. UT's passing game was less dynamic than OU's because of McCoy's limitations as a passer.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Bradford will be a star. The Rams o-line is coming along and they have 3-4 #2 type of WR's. Once they get a true #1, they will be deadly. Next years WR class has a few #1 WR's at the top, which is where the Rams will be drafting again. 2012 is the year the Rams start their playoff run. They have some nice young players.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think Skelton is a sleeper and may end up being the best QB of this class.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
They should have taken Clausen and Golden Tate so that we could have had two games a year of Catholics versus Convicts when they play Pitt.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
McCoy isn't the most physically gifted qb ever, but he's Tom Brady, Mike Vick, and John Elway all rolled up into one package when physically compared to Major.Major's biggest asset was and is between his ears.CaptainHook
Footballguy
Lol no way
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I like McCoy the most so I'll just agree for the sake that maybe he makes the Browns fun to play again
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Did yinz get rid of Shaun Rogers? I must've missed that one
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
This is just dumb on so many levels.Bradford is definitely the better of the two but McCoy landed in a great spot for himself. He will have a good line in front of him, the offense in place suits his strengths, and he has some pretty good minds at his disposal. That being said, I would still say that McCoy's chances of having a better career than Bradford is around 20%.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
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Cassius
Footballguy
Anyone?I don't follow college football, all I do is read about prospects. But everything I've read pretty much raves about him - hyper-accurate, adequate arm, smart. The only knocks that I consistently see are his shoulder and he didn't play in a pro-style offense. Yet I see a lot of people put Bradford down, nobody seems to think he can be elite, and I'm just wondering why.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Is this really true? I know zero about college football so I'm asking honestly here.Here are some YPA stats:
Colt McCoy
2006 - 8.08
2007 - 7.79
2008 - 8.91
2009 - 7.49
Jimmy Clausen
2007 - 5.12
2008 - 7.21
2009 - 8.76
Sam Bradford
2007 - 9.15
2008 - 9.77
2009 - 8.15
Tim Tebow
2006 - 10.85
2007 - 9.39
2008 - 9.22
2009 - 9.22
According to the numbers McCoy doesn't look that bad. What's the reason for this perception then? I'd like to know what we've gotten ourselves into here
CaptainHook
Footballguy
Wouldnt it make more sense to look at yards per completion if you actually wanted to look at an honest statistic ????
MAC_32
Footballguy
McCoy is a check down/tunnel vision machine.Is this really true? I know zero about college football so I'm asking honestly here.Here are some YPA stats:
Colt McCoy
2006 - 8.08
2007 - 7.79
2008 - 8.91
2009 - 7.49
Jimmy Clausen
2007 - 5.12
2008 - 7.21
2009 - 8.76
Sam Bradford
2007 - 9.15
2008 - 9.77
2009 - 8.15
Tim Tebow
2006 - 10.85
2007 - 9.39
2008 - 9.22
2009 - 9.22
According to the numbers McCoy doesn't look that bad. What's the reason for this perception then? I'd like to know what we've gotten ourselves into here
cstu
Footballguy
They should put every QB threw that test.Skelton is very, very raw, but if he's willing to learn he could be a good QB in a couple years - maybe just after the Leinart experiment fails?
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nxmehta
Footballguy
Um, okay...YPC stats:Colt McCoy2006 - 11.842007 - 11.972008 - 11.622009 - 10.61Jimmy Clausen2007 - 9.092008 - 11.842009 - 12.88Sam Bradford2007 - 13.172008 - 14.392009 - 14.41Tim Tebow2006 - 16.272007 - 14.042008 - 14.32009 - 13.59What should I take away from this. That Tim Tebow loves the deep ball more than Sam Bradford? That Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen are roughly the same in terms of how often they checkdown?Again, I've watched zero minutes of college football in 10 years, so I'm trying to find something that tells me that Colt McCoy is a "checkdown machine"
MAC_32
Footballguy
The first part of your statement answers your question, watch any of McCoy's games against tougher opponents and you'll find that 'something' you're looking for.
oukurt
Footballguy
Bradford and Gresham went down with season ending injuries.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
You talkin' to me?ETA: For the sake of saving time/space, if you are talking to me, with which specific part(s) of my post do you take issue? Just curious.
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Donsmith753
Footballguy
Am I crazy for thinking Crompton is a good prospect, he'd need to do a Charlie Whitehurst and move somewhere else but I think the guys got a chance.
That partly maybe true, but the bigger part of the equation is the crap OL Texas had.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
I'd say they're both true to some extent...but I wouldn't necessarily put it on the OL talent, more on the blocking scheme, running east and west out of the shotgun, predictability, and lack of commitment to the running game.A testament to the limitation of Colt's arm would seem to be indicated by the change to an offense that will work under center much more of the time with Garrett Gilbert, going deeper down the field much more often, and featuring more power looks, drive blocking (as opposed to zone looks and reaching), and straight-ahead running in the rushing attack this year.That's not to say he can't throw a deep ball or an out. He can in the right situations. He can't live off of it like some guys, though. He certainly isn't a guy I'd characterize as having a big arm.
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
a twice fried throwing shoulder on a team with perhaps the worst O-line in NFL History that gives up an avg of 36 sacks/yr each of past 4 seasons, means this kid isn't going to last McCoy goes to a team with Holmgren as a GM so he'll get some sound advice, versus Bradford who goes to a team with perhaps the worst head coach in the NFL - Steve Spagnuolo - and an equally bad coaching staff..no wr's, no TE's, only Sjax to help out..Bradford has Tim Couch/Heath Shuler/J. Russell written all over him...out of the NFL within 4 years..David Carr was supposed to be the big Ticket Item,right? where's he now, a career backup...
healthpellets
Footballguy
then i don't think you understand how football games championships are won.
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healthpellets
Footballguy
Generally, This.However, i do think Clausen is the best QB of the class. how more people don't understand how great a landing spot CAR is don't understand how important a solid running game is to a new QB.
Cassius
Footballguy
This is one of the worst "thought out" posts I've seen in awhile.Why did you remove the Follows Closely: Browns from your profile?a twice fried throwing shoulder on a team with perhaps the worst O-line in NFL History that gives up an avg of 36 sacks/yr each of past 4 seasons, means this kid isn't going to last McCoy goes to a team with Holmgren as a GM so he'll get some sound advice, versus Bradford who goes to a team with perhaps the worst head coach in the NFL - Steve Spagnuolo - and an equally bad coaching staff..no wr's, no TE's, only Sjax to help out..Bradford has Tim Couch/Heath Shuler/J. Russell written all over him...out of the NFL within 4 years..David Carr was supposed to be the big Ticket Item,right? where's he now, a career backup...
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