Caddy Williams- Career over? (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

 

[dutch]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

 

[JohnnyU]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last. On offense I would spend the money on OL, then QB, followed by WRs, and RBs last.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

DT, CB, QB, OT, DE

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well against the run and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last.

This isn't the 1960s anymore.

 

[JohnnyU]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well against the run and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last.

This isn't the 1960s anymore.

True, but a great DL can reduce the need for "shutdown" corners, or at least reduce the need to invest a lot of money on DBs. Most QBs can exploit great DBs if given enough time in the pocket.

 

[dutch]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

 

[awesomeness]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well against the run and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last.

This isn't the 1960s anymore.

True, but a great DL can reduce the need for "shutdown" corners, or at least reduce the need to invest a lot of money on DBs. Most QBs can exploit great DBs if given enough time in the pocket.

A great "shutdown" corner can reduce the need to invest a lot of money in DL.

 

[hauser42]

From this site it could be one more thing thrown against the wall to see if it sticks.

Could see Caddy being done since he is a injury just waiting to happen. This would bold well for the Bucs so that they can go with Graham and take the one year cap hit on a worn out Caddy.

 

[coolnerd]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

I would say the normal bust rate couple with a position with the largest injury risk is what makes it a proposition which many teams shy away from unless the talent warrants. Look at the RBs who went in the TOP 10 over the last handful of years. The Overall Return on Investment is spotty at best. 2007- Peterson is the real deal, but missed a handful of games and was not the same.2006- Bush, not a classic running back, but not redefining the position and finished injured.2005- C. Williams - played ok, not special, season ended with a major injury Ronnie Brown - finally looked like a dominate player before an injury on a tackle Benson- has not been effective, and ended the season with an injury2004- none2003- none2002- none 2001- LT2-Has been the one guy who has had the combination of production and health2000- Lewis - a mixed bag, sometimes very good, sometime looks slow and heavy Thomas Jones- was a bust with original team and solid, but not special 3 other cities

 

[awesomeness]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

I would say the normal bust rate couple with a position with the largest injury risk is what makes it a proposition which many teams shy away from unless the talent warrants. Look at the RBs who went in the TOP 10 over the last handful of years. The Overall Return on Investment is spotty at best. 2007- Peterson is the real deal, but missed a handful of games and was not the same.2006- Bush, not a classic running back, but not redefining the position and finished injured.2005- C. Williams - played ok, not special, season ended with a major injury Ronnie Brown - finally looked like a dominate player before an injury on a tackle Benson- has not been effective, and ended the season with an injury2004- none2003- none2002- none 2001- LT2-Has been the one guy who has had the combination of production and health2000- Lewis - a mixed bag, sometimes very good, sometime looks slow and heavy Thomas Jones- was a bust with original team and solid, but not special 3 other cities

Im not too sure what you are trying to get at. Running Backs get injured a lot due to the many of touches they get a game. All that your list shows me, is that RBs picked in the top 10 seem to have enough talent to get the starting role for their team early on

 

[JohnnyU]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well against the run and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last.

This isn't the 1960s anymore.

True, but a great DL can reduce the need for "shutdown" corners, or at least reduce the need to invest a lot of money on DBs. Most QBs can exploit great DBs if given enough time in the pocket.

A great "shutdown" corner can reduce the need to invest a lot of money in DL.

Shutdown corners come at too high of a price. You can spend the money on several lineman for the price of one cornerback. That's the reason why I say they are overrated. Like I said, if you give any QB enough time to throw they can make great DBs look bad.

 

[AllVolUT]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can't return, it's another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well against the run and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last.

This isn't the 1960s anymore.

True, but a great DL can reduce the need for "shutdown" corners, or at least reduce the need to invest a lot of money on DBs. Most QBs can exploit great DBs if given enough time in the pocket.

A great "shutdown" corner can reduce the need to invest a lot of money in DL.

Shutdown corners come at too high of a price. You can spend the money on several lineman for the price of one cornerback. That's the reason why I say they are overrated. Like I said, if you give any QB enough time to throw they can make great DBs look bad.

Not to mention the ticky-tack BS that draws a flag against CBs nowadays.

 

[Southside Stosh]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last. On offense I would spend the money on OL, then QB, followed by WRs, and RBs last.

Nicely put, Johnny U.

 

[cstu]

Profootballtalk.com reports that there are "rumors" in Mobile, Alabama that Carnell Williams' career is in jeopardy following his torn patellar tendon last season.Rotoworld's response:Keep in mind these are just rumors, not a report. But this goes along with a Yahoo report last October, and a note from the St. Petersburg Times last week that Williams may not help the Bucs in 2008. This makes it more important that the Bucs re-sign Earnest Graham. They will probably add another decent back, possibly in the draft.Source: Profootballtalk.com

My view is that he will miss all of 2008 and have nearly 2 years to rehab. He hasn't shown much even when he's healthy so I'm skeptical of what he'll do even if he comes back.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

I agree with the second part of your sentence IE Williams suddenly tips the scales away from taking RBs. There was always a great reason to not take RBs early and take all that money: it's much easier to find an above replacement level RB later on in the draft or through free agency than it is for other important positions that I named above.

 

[coolnerd]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

I would say the normal bust rate couple with a position with the largest injury risk is what makes it a proposition which many teams shy away from unless the talent warrants. Look at the RBs who went in the TOP 10 over the last handful of years. The Overall Return on Investment is spotty at best. 2007- Peterson is the real deal, but missed a handful of games and was not the same.

2006- Bush, not a classic running back, but not redefining the position and finished injured.

2005- C. Williams - played ok, not special, season ended with a major injury

Ronnie Brown - finally looked like a dominate player before an injury on a tackle

Benson- has not been effective, and ended the season with an injury

2004- none

2003- none

2002- none

2001- LT2-Has been the one guy who has had the combination of production and health

2000- Lewis - a mixed bag, sometimes very good, sometime looks slow and heavy

Thomas Jones- was a bust with original team and solid, but not special 3 other cities

Im not too sure what you are trying to get at. Running Backs get injured a lot due to the many of touches they get a game. All that your list shows me, is that RBs picked in the top 10 seem to have enough talent to get the starting role for their team early on

Did yoiu missed the point of INJURY. A top 10 RB is going to play whether he is really good or not. See Cedric Benson. 4 of the last 5 RBs drafted in the top 10 finished this season INJURED. All position have injury risk, but it is the highest at the RB position. I am going to doubt that you can pull a similar chart for any position and see the amount injuried bodies for players supposedly at thier peek.

 

[Bri]

Did you missed the point of INJURY. A top 10 RB is going to play whether he is really good or not. See Cedric Benson. 4 of the last 5 RBs drafted in the top 10 finished this season INJURED. All position have injury risk, but it is the highest at the RB position. I am going to doubt that you can pull a similar chart for any position and see the amount injuried bodies for players supposedly at thier peek.

ITYM serious injuresWith hammies and fingers that they often play thru, WRs could be considerred to be injured an awful lot

 

[TD Ryan]

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last. On offense I would spend the money on OL, then QB, followed by WRs, and RBs last.

it's ironic that the most important part of the game is that which gets the least media attention.

the OL and DL are everything.

with Dbacks, the D-line can help tremendously along with coverage schemes. And it doesn't matter how good any shutdown corner is, if the QB and WR have all day, they will beat you. The Dline is what determines how much time the QB and WR have.

 

[Domination]

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last. On offense I would spend the money on OL, then QB, followed by WRs, and RBs last.

it's ironic that the most important part of the game is that which gets the least media attention.

the OL and DL are everything.

with Dbacks, the D-line can help tremendously along with coverage schemes. And it doesn't matter how good any shutdown corner is, if the QB and WR have all day, they will beat you. The Dline is what determines how much time the QB and WR have.

This is the reason that the Giants are in the Superbowl, and that their CBs have looked better the last couple of games.

 

[biggyd]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Can't spend a high first on a qb because of the bust rate and you can't spend a high first on a rb because they're only one play away from a career ending injury and you can't spend a high first on a wr because they flame out too often. Which position is the best one to spend that high first on?

Championships are won by by those with a good OL and DL. Even QBs with great potential can look mediocre behind a bad OL, not to mention the need to protect such an investment as a great QB. I believe you can win with average RBs behind a great OL. A great DL can make average DBs look good by putting pressure on the QB. If your DBs can tackle well and the DL can put pressure on the QB that makes for a winning combination IMO. I feel that shutdown corners are overrated. On defense I'd much rather spend the money on the DL, then LBs, and DBs last. On offense I would spend the money on OL, then QB, followed by WRs, and RBs last.

The Patriots have built their Championship teams around their Defensive / Offensive lines.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Patriots have built their Championship teams around their Defensive / Offensive lines.

That's true. But look at where the starters on the offensive lines of the last two champions (assumption of the Patriots winning) were picked Colts - Deim (4th), Scott (5th), Saturday (Undrafted), Lilja (Undrafted), Ugoh (1st)Pats - Offense: Kaczur (3rd), Neal (Undrafted), Koppen (5th), Mankins (1.32), Light (2.48)So you don't HAVE to spend high draft picks on your offensive line, except for possibly the left tackle spot, which is still very important.I think you get much more traction when you talk about spending high picks on the defensive line though. Check this out...Pats Defense: Warren (1st), Wilfork (1st), Seymour (1st)

 

[dgreen]

Profootballtalk.com reports that there are "rumors" in Mobile, Alabama that Carnell Williams' career is in jeopardy following his torn patellar tendon last season.Rotoworld's response:Keep in mind these are just rumors, not a report. But this goes along with a Yahoo report last October, and a note from the St. Petersburg Times last week that Williams may not help the Bucs in 2008. This makes it more important that the Bucs re-sign Earnest Graham. They will probably add another decent back, possibly in the draft.Source: Profootballtalk.com

My view is that he will miss all of 2008 and have nearly 2 years to rehab. He hasn't shown much even when he's healthy so I'm skeptical of what he'll do even if he comes back.

Thank you for injecting some actual discussion about Caddy in here.Why is that your view? What have you heard, other than this PFT report?

 

[Black]

True, but a great DL can reduce the need for "shutdown" corners, or at least reduce the need to invest a lot of money on DBs. Most QBs can exploit great DBs if given enough time in the pocket.

Agree. Look at:-how bad DEN looked with their shutdown CBs and no pass rush-how subpar CBs and 3rd stringers on the NYG are on their way to Arizona because of Strahan and Usi.

 

[Warpig]

Let me attempt to get this back on track.

As a Caddy owner in a dynasty league, I felt compelled to look up some insightful and accurate medical jargon to best explain what Caddy is going through/headed for.

In this link: http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic246.htm

It explains what has happened to Caddy and his probable road to recovery. Worst case scenario looks like 6 months rehab with a slight chance of never being back to 100%. Most cases regain 92 - 100% mobility and strength.

With the advanced technologies the NFL has access to, I'd say it's safe to say that he should end up on the lower end of the spectrum as far as how long his rehab will take.

I do find it suspicious that they mention that Patellar ruptures are rare, yet "somewhat" common if there has been a steroid injection around the knee previously. Perhaps Caddy's knee was questionable for a while and he had been taking injections to strengthen the knee or subdue the pain/soreness? Just my curiosity.

Anything at this point about Caddy coming from gossip is purely speculative and rumor. I wouldn't trust anything unless it comes from a doctor or the Bucs front office/press conference.

 

[Tanner9919]

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/cadillac-done/

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

Graham proved his worth,and will be given every chance to win the starting gig, regardless if/when Caddy ever plays again.its disappointing for TB fans ( and Caddy) to see that your 'franchise' RB might actually retire after just 3 seasons..

 

[Marc Levin]

Let me attempt to get this back on track.

As a Caddy owner in a dynasty league, I felt compelled to look up some insightful and accurate medical jargon to best explain what Caddy is going through/headed for.

In this link: http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic246.htm

It explains what has happened to Caddy and his probable road to recovery. Worst case scenario looks like 6 months rehab with a slight chance of never being back to 100%. Most cases regain 92 - 100% mobility and strength.

With the advanced technologies the NFL has access to, I'd say it's safe to say that he should end up on the lower end of the spectrum as far as how long his rehab will take.

I do find it suspicious that they mention that Patellar ruptures are rare, yet "somewhat" common if there has been a steroid injection around the knee previously. Perhaps Caddy's knee was questionable for a while and he had been taking injections to strengthen the knee or subdue the pain/soreness? Just my curiosity.

Anything at this point about Caddy coming from gossip is purely speculative and rumor. I wouldn't trust anything unless it comes from a doctor or the Bucs front office/press conference.

T/Y. There is a WONDERFUL spinoff topic here, and if you all want to continue that discussion, I will make sure those posts get excerpted from this thread to their own thread.On topic, rumors suck. And this one even more so since folks will make dynasty decisions based on it - would like to see any kind of confirmation/second source for this news.

 

[Our Gang]

Let me attempt to get this back on track.

As a Caddy owner in a dynasty league, I felt compelled to look up some insightful and accurate medical jargon to best explain what Caddy is going through/headed for.

In this link: http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic246.htm

It explains what has happened to Caddy and his probable road to recovery. Worst case scenario looks like 6 months rehab with a slight chance of never being back to 100%. Most cases regain 92 - 100% mobility and strength.

With the advanced technologies the NFL has access to, I'd say it's safe to say that he should end up on the lower end of the spectrum as far as how long his rehab will take.

I do find it suspicious that they mention that Patellar ruptures are rare, yet "somewhat" common if there has been a steroid injection around the knee previously. Perhaps Caddy's knee was questionable for a while and he had been taking injections to strengthen the knee or subdue the pain/soreness? Just my curiosity.

Anything at this point about Caddy coming from gossip is purely speculative and rumor. I wouldn't trust anything unless it comes from a doctor or the Bucs front office/press conference.

T/Y. There is a WONDERFUL spinoff topic here, and if you all want to continue that discussion, I will make sure those posts get excerpted from this thread to their own thread.On topic, rumors suck. And this one even more so since folks will make dynasty decisions based on it - would like to see any kind of confirmation/second source for this news.

I posted this in in another thread but Rhonde Barber said that he didn't think Caddie would be ready to start the season. Take that for what it is worth...

 

[awesomeness]

Obviously I was being snarky in my reply but my point is that the bust rate for any highly drafted position other than qb is likely similar when compared to one another so I dont see how Williams injury somehow makes drafting rb's in the top half of the first a no-no.

I would say the normal bust rate couple with a position with the largest injury risk is what makes it a proposition which many teams shy away from unless the talent warrants. Look at the RBs who went in the TOP 10 over the last handful of years. The Overall Return on Investment is spotty at best. 2007- Peterson is the real deal, but missed a handful of games and was not the same.

2006- Bush, not a classic running back, but not redefining the position and finished injured.

2005- C. Williams - played ok, not special, season ended with a major injury

Ronnie Brown - finally looked like a dominate player before an injury on a tackle

Benson- has not been effective, and ended the season with an injury

2004- none

2003- none

2002- none

2001- LT2-Has been the one guy who has had the combination of production and health

2000- Lewis - a mixed bag, sometimes very good, sometime looks slow and heavy

Thomas Jones- was a bust with original team and solid, but not special 3 other cities

Im not too sure what you are trying to get at. Running Backs get injured a lot due to the many of touches they get a game. All that your list shows me, is that RBs picked in the top 10 seem to have enough talent to get the starting role for their team early on

Did yoiu missed the point of INJURY. A top 10 RB is going to play whether he is really good or not. See Cedric Benson. 4 of the last 5 RBs drafted in the top 10 finished this season INJURED. All position have injury risk, but it is the highest at the RB position. I am going to doubt that you can pull a similar chart for any position and see the amount injuried bodies for players supposedly at thier peek.

my point is, it doesnt matter if the RB was drafted in the first round or the 7th round, all starting RB get injured eventually and it usually doesnt take very long.

 

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Profootballtalk.com reports that there are "rumors" in Mobile, Alabama that Carnell Williams' career is in jeopardy following his torn patellar tendon last season.Rotoworld's response:Keep in mind these are just rumors, not a report. But this goes along with a Yahoo report last October, and a note from the St. Petersburg Times last week that Williams may not help the Bucs in 2008. This makes it more important that the Bucs re-sign Earnest Graham. They will probably add another decent back, possibly in the draft.Source: Profootballtalk.com

My view is that he will miss all of 2008 and have nearly 2 years to rehab. He hasn't shown much even when he's healthy so I'm skeptical of what he'll do even if he comes back.

Thank you for injecting some actual discussion about Caddy in here.Why is that your view? What have you heard, other than this PFT report?

I actually traded for him (Ahman Green) right after the injury since I was out of the playoffs anyway so I'm hopeful that he makes a comeback but am not overly optimistic. His injury is serious one that is definitely career-threatening but with proper rehab he may be able to come back 100%, at least from the medical information that I was able to find (it's not a common injury for football players). I don't think he'll ever be the stud he was expected to be but there's still a chance that he'll still have a starting job in 2009 (when I think he'll be fully recovered) and will only be 27. Definitely a great buy low right now if you have the roster space for a player who won't contribute much, if at all, in 2008.

 

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Let me attempt to get this back on track.

As a Caddy owner in a dynasty league, I felt compelled to look up some insightful and accurate medical jargon to best explain what Caddy is going through/headed for.

In this link: http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic246.htm

It explains what has happened to Caddy and his probable road to recovery. Worst case scenario looks like 6 months rehab with a slight chance of never being back to 100%. Most cases regain 92 - 100% mobility and strength.

With the advanced technologies the NFL has access to, I'd say it's safe to say that he should end up on the lower end of the spectrum as far as how long his rehab will take.

I do find it suspicious that they mention that Patellar ruptures are rare, yet "somewhat" common if there has been a steroid injection around the knee previously. Perhaps Caddy's knee was questionable for a while and he had been taking injections to strengthen the knee or subdue the pain/soreness? Just my curiosity.

Anything at this point about Caddy coming from gossip is purely speculative and rumor. I wouldn't trust anything unless it comes from a doctor or the Bucs front office/press conference.

It's also important to point out that was of the keys to returning to 100% was getting surgery done ASAP after the injury and Cadillac had his done less than a week after he was injured.