Caddy's backup <dynasty> (1 Viewer)

[PennState-JD]

I've heard some noise here about Graham and also Watson. FBG depth charts has Pittman listed as the #2.

Do either of the first two guys have a shot at unseating Pittman should Caddy get a flat? Who could step in and still perform well enough to stash on a roster now?

 

[MLBrandow]

Nope, take Pittman.

Those other guys are bums.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Don't overlook Earnest Graham. He was a great back in college at Florida, and has shown some flashes in the preseason. Pittman is not a very creative runner, and it would likely be a RBBC if Caddy were to go down.

 

[MLBrandow]

Don't overlook Earnest Graham.  He was a great back in college at Florida, and has shown some flashes in the preseason.  Pittman is not a very creative runner, and it would likely be a RBBC if Caddy were to go down.

Nope. It would be Pittman with Alstott as a third down back. Basically the same way it was before Cadillac.Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year: Gruden didn't want to overload him.

If Pittman went down as well, then I think I agree it's RBBC with Alstott/Graham/Watson/Andre Hall.

 

[gump]

Pittman is one of the most popular guys on the team, to the players AND coaches.

He will step in as the full-time back, just as he did last year when Carnell went down....when he averaged 16 fantasy pts/game.

#3 and #4 backs aren't even close.

 

[MLBrandow]

Pittman is one of the most popular guys on the team, to the players AND coaches.

He will step in as the full-time back, just as he did last year when Carnell went down....when he averaged 16 fantasy pts/game.

#3 and #4 backs aren't even close.

Agree with this as well. I worked with Pittman on his radio show in Tampa last fall, and in talking to him, I thought very highly of him (versus only knowing him before as Pittman the Rammer).He really has put the team first, and has embraced his backup role. He asked last year about getting involved in special teams on returns, etc... and saw a career high in ypc (6.2 IIRC).

He is far and away the best option to backup Cadillac, and while he won't see as much of the field this year (pending injury), he should still figure pretty well into the passing game, and significantly in the return game.

 

[Capella]

Pittman is not a very creative runner, and it would likely be a RBBC if Caddy were to go down.

No it wouldn't.

 

[SSOG]

More love for Pittman. If Caddy goes down, I could actually see Pittman putting up even MORE ppg in PPR leagues. And even if Caddy doesn't go down, I still see Pittman having solid PPR value as a spot-starter/emergency RB4. Since 2000 (his first full year as a starter), he's never had fewer than 36 receptions (which he put up last year in limited action). As a full-time starter, he's averaged 3.8+ career receptions per game (pro-rates to 61 per 16 game season).

I'm definitely a PPO. Proud Pittman Owner.

 

[MLBrandow]

More love for Pittman. If Caddy goes down, I could actually see Pittman putting up even MORE ppg in PPR leagues. And even if Caddy doesn't go down, I still see Pittman having solid PPR value as a spot-starter/emergency RB4. Since 2000 (his first full year as a starter), he's never had fewer than 36 receptions (which he put up last year in limited action). As a full-time starter, he's averaged 3.8+ career receptions per game (pro-rates to 61 per 16 game season).

I'm definitely a PPO. Proud Pittman Owner.

No, because Cadillac would rush for significantly more yards, and see nearly as many receptions.Pittman's likely stats would look something like 900 with 75/600 and 7TDs

Cadillac's likely stats would look something like 1400 with 50/500 and 15TDs

The key point here beyond rushing yardage is that Cadillac will be very involved in the receiving game, which Pittman would be moreso, but because Cadillac will receive the goal-line work, and Pittman wouldn't, you can expect a significant difference in TDs as well.

Still, Pittman would put up very solid PPR numbers, and pretty solid reg numbers.

 

[SSOG]

More love for Pittman. If Caddy goes down, I could actually see Pittman putting up even MORE ppg in PPR leagues. And even if Caddy doesn't go down, I still see Pittman having solid PPR value as a spot-starter/emergency RB4. Since 2000 (his first full year as a starter), he's never had fewer than 36 receptions (which he put up last year in limited action). As a full-time starter, he's averaged 3.8+ career receptions per game (pro-rates to 61 per 16 game season).

I'm definitely a PPO. Proud Pittman Owner.

No, because Cadillac would rush for significantly more yards, and see nearly as many receptions.Pittman's likely stats would look something like 900 with 75/600 and 7TDs

Cadillac's likely stats would look something like 1400 with 50/500 and 15TDs

The key point here beyond rushing yardage is that Cadillac will be very involved in the receiving game, which Pittman would be moreso, but because Cadillac will receive the goal-line work, and Pittman wouldn't, you can expect a significant difference in TDs as well.

Still, Pittman would put up very solid PPR numbers, and pretty solid reg numbers.

I keep hearing about how many receptions Caddy is going to get, but I haven't seen it yet. Let's just say his 20 catches for 81 yards (4 yards per) last year didn't impress me, and color me skeptical that he's going to put up 50 catches this season, and REALLY skeptical that he'll get 10 yards per catch. Also, I'm also a little skeptical that his "likely stats" would include 1900 total yards. I'd predict Caddy's likely stats closer to 1700, Pittman's right at 1500, and a 40 catch difference between the two of them. I wouldn't *expect* him to put up more points, but I could definitely see it happening. Pittman's 16 points per game would have ranked him as the #6 RB in the league over a 16-game schedule, and I don't think that was counting a point per reception.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Pittman is not a very creative runner, and it would likely be a RBBC if Caddy were to go down.

No it wouldn't.

Let me clarify. It would be a RBBC of Pittman/Alstott with Graham spelling MP.

 

[zamboni]

Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year:  Gruden didn't want to overload him.

This Caddy owner wishes it were true, but doesn't seem that way as per here (post #13).

 

[gump]

Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year:  Gruden didn't want to overload him.

This Caddy owner wishes it were true, but doesn't seem that way as per here (post #13).

- Alstott had 3 carries in the last four games. - Carnell got the rock on 4th and 1 to win the game vs Atlanta week 16.

- Gruden went with a pass to the TE on a crucial 4th-and-1 late in the fourth in the playoffs against Washington, after Mike was stuffed for no gain on 3rd-an-1 in his only carry of the night.

I disagree with Jim Flynn.

 

[imeimex]

Pittman is not a very creative runner, and it would likely be a RBBC if Caddy were to go down.

No it wouldn't.

Let me clarify. It would be a RBBC of Pittman/Alstott with Graham spelling MP.

Cecil is correct to not sleep on Graham as this is a dynasty league we are talking about. Pittman is going to be 31 after this year, and there is no telling how long he will stick around to be a backup. He also has some off the field troubles that leave him closer to suspension. I'm not sure that Graham is the long term answer after Pittman leaves, but he was impressive last year in the preseason.

 

[MLBrandow]

Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year:  Gruden didn't want to overload him.

This Caddy owner wishes it were true, but doesn't seem that way as per here (post #13).

That's cool, but he's wrong, which I find interesting. I don't subscribe to Pewter Report and don't respect it much (not a knock on them, I just don't think their predictions are very good). PR is renouned for being one of the fastest and most accurate relayers of information on the team they cover. They are not renouned for their accuracy in predictions.(edit: read the whole interview, just reiterates said belief about phenomenal reporting and bad predictions).

If I can find it, I'll go dig you up a primary source link that says that Alstott isn't the goal-line back this year (or the starting fullback).

Guarantee you Cadillac is the back.

It's funny too because in reading that Q&amp;A, he changes "Alstott is the back" to "Alstott might be the back".

Alstott is moving to what Gruden hopes to develop as an H-Back role. And he's not likely to start there either.

In other words, as long as Cadillac is there, Alstott is worth absolutely nothing.

With Pittman in there, he's a goal-line back.

Cecil is incorrect about RBBC and Graham.

If you're talking dynasty value for a life-long backup, I suppose he's worth something, but Pittman will be around for another 2-3 years at the least, and when he's gone, then maybe either have some value. It's not like either will ever have any more value than a Turner or Morris though... guys that backup studs.

And this is like three years from now. A moot point if you ask me. Graham/Hall/Watson all may be gone three years from now. I wouldn't even waste the roster spot until Pittman leaves.

Cecil, if you consider Pittman getting 60% of the load and Alstott getting goal-line carries, with Graham/Watson spelling as RBBC, then I suppose we'd have to agree to disagree.

That would be like saying ATL/NYG run RBBCs and I don't agree with that either.

RBBC is when two guys split the load. All Alstott would be getting is a few goal-line carries a game. Pittman would get all the yards and RB receptions.

 

[Jon_Moore]

As far as the backup goes, it's Pittman for and away.

He's been great when given the chance (at least from a fantasy perspective)

As far as Caddy--50 catches seems high for him, so does 500 receiving yards

and I haven't read alot out of Tampa, but I would like to know whats led to the belief that he's better on the goal-line than Alstott.

 

[zamboni]

Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year:  Gruden didn't want to overload him.

This Caddy owner wishes it were true, but doesn't seem that way as per here (post #13).

If I can find it, I'll go dig you up a primary source link that says that Alstott isn't the goal-line back this year (or the starting fullback).

I'd like to see that - thanks. You obviously seem to follow the team closely as well, so another opinion is always welcome.

 

[joffer]

Alstott's not getting goal-line carries this year because Cadillac is simply better than him at it, and the only reason he didn't get them all last year was the same reason he didn't catch a lot of balls last year:  Gruden didn't want to overload him.

This Caddy owner wishes it were true, but doesn't seem that way as per here (post #13).

That's cool, but he's wrong, which I find interesting.

sorry, that struck me as funny....carry on

 

[MLBrandow]

sorry, that struck me as funny....carry on

thanks, I'll be here all night