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Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 this morning at the combine (1 Viewer)

To those who said he didn't have great speed and didn't run past DBs, I say, "I told ya so."Calvin Johnson = Speeed
I'll give you some credit there. I never thought he was slow, but I expected something in the 4.45 range like Larry Fitzgerald. I think CJ looks slower than he is because his stride is so long. When you watch highlights of him where the camera is close to the field, you start to see how fast he actually is.
 
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The value of the 1.03 rookie pick just went through the roof. And a lot of people who planned on drafting Lynch at 1.02 are going to have a real dilemma on their hands now.

 
The value of the 1.03 rookie pick just went through the roof. And a lot of people who planned on drafting Lynch at 1.02 are going to have a real dilemma on their hands now.
yeah and Lynch just ran a 4.52
That's about what I would've expected. He doesn't have breakaway speed.
yeah i know but when he was on NFL network he waid he'd run 4.3 4.4 range i knew that wasn't right because he got caught from behind too much
 
To those who said he didn't have great speed and didn't run past DBs, I say, "I told ya so."Calvin Johnson = Speeed
I'll give you some credit there. I never thought he was slow, but I expected something in the 4.45 range like Larry Fitzgerald. I think CJ looks slower than he is because his stride is so long. When you watch highlights of him where the camera is close to the field, you start to see how fast he actually is.
The big question is do you still pass on him for AD? I'm glad that's your decision and not mine. I know I take Peterson, but what I don't know is if he is the correct pick!
 
lod2005 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
If Millen took Johnson and then received heat from Lions fans for doing so, then Lions fans deserve to watch a crappy team for all eternity.
The Lions have eliminated themselves from taking CJ. Martzinelli has a rule: WR's no heavier than 220lbs. They can't make exceptions as that would blow up Marzinelli's so called strict BS. CJ is 239. Yes, they are idiots and that's why they are losers.
How can the Lions take someone who has already been selected?
So what you're saying is:We take CJ, then line him up with Moss & Porter in a 3-wide formation... :thumbdown:

Grab Bledsoe off the scrap heap (or maybe give Smith/Kolb/Beck/Edwards a shot later on)

And PRAY the offensive line somehow improves from '06? :thumbdown:

:2cents:

 
lod2005 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
If Millen took Johnson and then received heat from Lions fans for doing so, then Lions fans deserve to watch a crappy team for all eternity.
The Lions have eliminated themselves from taking CJ. Martzinelli has a rule: WR's no heavier than 220lbs. They can't make exceptions as that would blow up Marzinelli's so called strict BS. CJ is 239. Yes, they are idiots and that's why they are losers.
How can the Lions take someone who has already been selected?
So what you're saying is:We take CJ, then line him up with Moss & Porter in a 3-wide formation... :shock:

Grab Bledsoe off the scrap heap (or maybe give Smith/Kolb/Beck/Edwards a shot later on)

And PRAY the offensive line somehow improves from '06? :X

:popcorn:
Yes. They should take the best player on the board and Al doesn't like taking QBs early, especially developmental ones like JaMarcus would be. They can bring in a decent FA QB as well as a couple OL and then also draft some OL in the later rounds.This is the first year in a long time that I can remember that they don't need to add much to the defense.

 
BTW, this 40 time is nasty. Imagine being a DB and knowing that the WR you're covering is 7 inches taller than you, 50 pounds heavier, and actually a lot faster than you. Yikes.
Seriously. Guy is a BEAST. My favorite college prospect for a couple years now.
 
I just traded up to the 1.02 (gave Benson in the deal, before TJ requested a trade) in a ppr dynasty. My team needs RB much worse, but this clinches my decision. When I made the trade I had it in the back of my mind that I'd be willing to take Calvin Johnson, and that he would be a clear long-term upgrade over Benson in a ppr (we also have to start 3 WRs, and can flex a 4th).

The 40 time alone doesn't do everything for me, but the whole picture - freakish size, athleticism, speed, hands, competitiveness, and exceptional character - does. To me there are two elite prospects in this class: Peterson and Johnson. I have the 1.01 in another league and will take Peterson on need, but at 1.02 it has to be Johnson *regardless* of need. Before this 40 time I would have considered him an equal prospect with Fitzgerald, but he just stepped ahead in that comparison.

I moved to ACC country more than 2 years ago, and I've loved Johnson as a prospect ever since. But this clinches it for me. The phrase "once in a decade prospect" gets thrown around too much, but we have one here.

 
How do the Lions pass on him? :lmao:
easy, they got burned by taking charles rogers and mike williams with their first round picks. Ppl may clown those two now but coming into the draft they were also highly regarded, "can't miss" wrs. Personally I agree that a duo of roy williams and calvin johnson would be darn near impossible for opponents to stop but I don't blame the lions for being gun-shy
Then they dont deserve a team.This is the 2007 draft. Not a "what did we #### up in the past draft".

Mike Williams was NEVER a cant miss WR.
Mel Kiper had this guy rated the top overall pick that year, so I would say SOME people did.
 
The value of the 1.03 rookie pick just went through the roof. And a lot of people who planned on drafting Lynch at 1.02 are going to have a real dilemma on their hands now.
Sorry, but the people that have the 1.1 have a hard decision to make (me included). Rbs are usually more valuable, but CJ looks to be as "can't miss" as they come.
 
The value of the 1.03 rookie pick just went through the roof. And a lot of people who planned on drafting Lynch at 1.02 are going to have a real dilemma on their hands now.
Sorry, but the people that have the 1.1 have a hard decision to make (me included). Rbs are usually more valuable, but CJ looks to be as "can't miss" as they come.
I agree that the choice is difficult at 1.01 as well, but if I have any kind of need at RB I'm going with Peterson. I think Peterson is also a special player and if it comes down to a special RB vs a special WR, I take the RB everytime.
 
Has the value of the draft picks changed a little? Before it was 1.01.........1.02,1.03 ....................1.04 etc. Now it seems to be 1.01, 1.02...............1.03.................1.04 etc.

 
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Has the value of the draft picks changed a little? Before it was 1.01...... 1.02, 1.03 ....................1.04 etc. Now it seems to be 1.01, 1.02...............1.03.................1.04 etc.
yep. and a team that has no rb's picking at 1.02 still has to consider taking CJ over lynch as lynch might not make a big impact on your team either.
 
Has the value of the draft picks changed a little? Before it was 1.01...... 1.02, 1.03 ....................1.04 etc. Now it seems to be 1.01, 1.02...............1.03.................1.04 etc.
yep. and a team that has no rb's picking at 1.02 still has to consider taking CJ over lynch as lynch might not make a big impact on your team either.
imo, where these players end upwill have a large role to play in their FF draft status.
 
Has the value of the draft picks changed a little? Before it was 1.01...... 1.02, 1.03 ....................1.04 etc. Now it seems to be 1.01, 1.02...............1.03.................1.04 etc.
yep. and a team that has no rb's picking at 1.02 still has to consider taking CJ over lynch as lynch might not make a big impact on your team either.
imo, where these players end upwill have a large role to play in their FF draft status.
I agree with you but still think AD will be drafted first in 3/4 of fantasy drafts, irregardless of what team he ends up on. Potential stud RBs are just too value.
 
Has the value of the draft picks changed a little? Before it was 1.01...... 1.02, 1.03 ....................1.04 etc. Now it seems to be 1.01, 1.02...............1.03.................1.04 etc.
yep. and a team that has no rb's picking at 1.02 still has to consider taking CJ over lynch as lynch might not make a big impact on your team either.
imo, where these players end upwill have a large role to play in their FF draft status.
I agree with you but still think AD will be drafted first in 3/4 of fantasy drafts, irregardless of what team he ends up on. Potential stud RBs are just too value.
So much of it depends on starting requirements and scoring system, as always. In a ppr with a minimum of 3 starting WRs, and especially in leagues that allow you to flex a 4th, CJ is a rock-solid #2 pick, and an equally good option at #1 along with Peterson, regardless of need in my opinion. I would almost make the same argument in ppr leagues without so many starting WRs, just because CJ will probably anchor dynasty squads for longer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing sight of what a great prospect Peterson is (again, I'll be taking him #1 overall on one league) but I think Johnson is a great idea for any dynasty squad, regardless of need.
 
LOL at the hype....Is Johnson a special player? Yep....is Peterson? Yep

A lot of where they should be drafted will be determined on April 28th.

Don't get too excited over measurables, sometimes they don't translate to the NFL.

I'm going to temper my expectations for everyone in the draft until I see what team they land on.

Just my :02:

 
Someone is going to offer the Lions a nice package for that #2 pick to take CJ21................Guaranteed

 
Other times for the 40 from RB's and WR's

Updating a previous item, California RB Marshawn Lynch unofficially ran his second 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds

Rutgers RB/FB Brian Leonard unofficially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds

Arizona RB Chris J. Henry unofficially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds

Florida State RB Lorenzo Booker unofficially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.45 seconds

Louisiana State WR Dwayne Bowe ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 seconds

South Carolina WR Sidney Rice unofficially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.53 seconds

Southern California WR Steven Smith officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 seconds

Auburn WR Courtney Taylor officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.50 seconds

Texas- El Paso WR Johnnie Lee Higgins officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 seconds

Ohio State WR Anthony Gonzalez officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 seconds

Michigan WR Steve Breaston officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.41 seconds

East Carolina WR Aundrae Allison officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.39 seconds

Updating a previous item, Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 seconds

Updating a previous item, Washington State WR Jason Hill officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.32 seconds

Updating a previous item, Kansas State WR Yamon Figurs officially ran the 40-yard dash in 4.30 seconds

 
The value of the 1.03 rookie pick just went through the roof. And a lot of people who planned on drafting Lynch at 1.02 are going to have a real dilemma on their hands now.
Sorry, but the people that have the 1.1 have a hard decision to make (me included). Rbs are usually more valuable, but CJ looks to be as "can't miss" as they come.
I agree that the choice is difficult at 1.01 as well, but if I have any kind of need at RB I'm going with Peterson. I think Peterson is also a special player and if it comes down to a special RB vs a special WR, I take the RB everytime.
yep. Not that anyone cares, but I'm not sure which I'll be taking with the 1.01 in a PPR league where WRs are very valuable, and if McGahee or Turner land in a good situation, I don't have a need at RB or WR. Thankfully in a league where I really could use a WR, I have the 1.02. I may be one of the few thinking this way, but knowing I'm going to get CJ in one league sort of pushes me towards Peterson in the other. Otherwise, I may have flipped a coin.
 
Really? Hmm... I've been paying attn to Mayock for a few years now. I must have missed that one.
Really? He brings it up quite often (always better to focus on the ones that we called right...).
That was the beginning of the Mayock vs Kiper draft wars. Kiper had BMW at #1 on his board and Mayock had him way down the list. Last years war of words was over Jay Cutler, Mayock loved him and Kiper thought he was nothing special.
 
:confused:

Saw that run on sportscenter. He is an absolute beast. And to think what he could have done if he didn't have reggie ball as his qb...................

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Matt Millen...:tempting:
Being a Lions fan, yet having watched Calvin Johnson a lot this year (I live outside Atlanta), I'm conflicted. We are all snake bitten from past years of ridiculous WR drafting. But man, the thought of Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson is just............*shiver* :banned:
If Millen took Johnson and then received heat from Lions fans for doing so, then Lions fans deserve to watch a crappy team for all eternity.
After the Pistons fight, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Lions suck for eternity.
what means this?
 
Holy. Crap. :eek:If you're a GM, how on earth do you not do everything possible to trade up and get this guy? Are you listening Rick Spielman?
please, please, please!!!!!!!!!draft day dreamRaiders-RussellLions-ThomasVIKINGS-JOHNSON!!!!!!
CJ would struggle to get balls and generate stats in Minnesota's lackluster offense, but will likely be a long term gem anywhere. If CJ goes to Dallas and AD to a Cleveland, the 1.1 is toss up in my book... though I'd like to have seen a better 40 from Lynch to make it even more interesting. Still, if Lynch goes to GB or Denver, things really will get interesting.
 
To those who said he didn't have great speed and didn't run past DBs, I say, "I told ya so."Calvin Johnson = Speeed
I'll give you some credit there. I never thought he was slow, but I expected something in the 4.45 range like Larry Fitzgerald. I think CJ looks slower than he is because his stride is so long. When you watch highlights of him where the camera is close to the field, you start to see how fast he actually is.
The big question is do you still pass on him for AD? I'm glad that's your decision and not mine. I know I take Peterson, but what I don't know is if he is the correct pick!
It's a good problem to have. IMO, these guys are both legit. You can't go wrong with either.
 
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Calvin Johnson should be the number one player taken off the board. I go to Virginia Tech and have had the pleasure of seeing him play live against our vaunted top ranked Defense...torched.

He has all the physical aspects you would need to be a dominant wide receiver and then some. The guy wasnt even going to run the 40 but decided he could best a lot of these times so he borrowed a QBs shoes!! The guy isnt only a top notch athelte (wont say freak, if youre a freak you dont know how to use it to the best of your ability) he's an upstanding citizen. Whoever he goes to will get a great ambassador for his team. Ive read so much on what he's done while at GT and he's always kept himself clean. In NFL terms, he's a great character guy.

If he went to a big powerhouse college this would be no question cause he would have shattered records and would have been on the highlight reel every week. But he went to GT (for education) and had a ho hum QB named Reggie Ball throwing him the ball.

 
OK, so he the #1 WR in this draft, and even arguably the #1 overall best talent this year, but what I'd like to know is where does he rank/will he rank among WRs in the NFL. Will he consistently be a top 3 WR? Are we talking Moss, TO, Harrison, Rice like numbers? Or is it possible that he is being overhyped and will be more like a Javon Walker, Boldin, Fitzgerald type of WR? Solid but not consistently amazing. Will where he ends up have any impact on his numbers like Chambers or Andre Johnson? Great talents in bad situations? Bottom line is, where would you rank him among WRs this year?

 
Just found out yesterday that one of my good female friends, here at college, boyfriend is the cousin of Calvin Johnson. Her boyfriend does go to my college so the chances of seeing CJ are slim to none.

 
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OK, so he the #1 WR in this draft, and even arguably the #1 overall best talent this year, but what I'd like to know is where does he rank/will he rank among WRs in the NFL. Will he consistently be a top 3 WR? Are we talking Moss, TO, Harrison, Rice like numbers? Or is it possible that he is being overhyped and will be more like a Javon Walker, Boldin, Fitzgerald type of WR? Solid but not consistently amazing. Will where he ends up have any impact on his numbers like Chambers or Andre Johnson? Great talents in bad situations? Bottom line is, where would you rank him among WRs this year?
This is the most important question, but unfortunately no one can truly answer it. Even top WRs fall out of the top from year to year. It's just not a position with a lot of consistency because you have to have a decent QB and get a lot of targets. One thing to note though, sometimes being on a bad team is good for WRs. Teams with weak defenses who fall behind early in games have to throw more.
 

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