Calvin or Larry? (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

when megas value was low i tried to peal him from an owner. wouldnt budge. so instead I had to settle for Larry. pretty sweet two weeks for the best receiver in the game. Can someone tell me again how sweet his routes and hands are, cuz it ain't been to evident the last two games...



7 targets 1 catch for 11 yards vs the falcons who cant cover anyone, while thr running game was pretty good.

12 targets 3 catches 31 yds vs the rams who are mediocre at best vs the pass, even with the return of beanie and the running game was effective again.

21% catch rate the last two weeks.

hows calvins slump going?

 

[doubletrouble]

when megas value was low i tried to peal him from an owner. wouldnt budge. so instead I had to settle for Larry. pretty sweet two weeks for the best receiver in the game. Can someone tell me again how sweet his routes and hands are, cuz it ain't been to evident the last two games...7 targets 1 catch for 11 yards vs the falcons who cant cover anyone, while thr running game was pretty good.12 targets 3 catches 31 yds vs the rams who are mediocre at best vs the pass, even with the return of beanie and the running game was effective again.21% catch rate the last two weeks.hows calvins slump going?

QB play has nothing to do with your numbers....

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Larry. Calvin is the better physical specimen, so when he dominates, it's more obvious... but Fitzgerald is a master at all those subtle little things that separate the good from the great. His hands and focus are better, his consistency level is higher, his routes are crisper and he's a master at disguising them. Plus he works harder. I'd be a lot more confident in Fitzgerald's ability to play to 38 than Calvin's. And, weaker measurables aside, I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver put up a stretch as dominant as Fitzgerald's during their SB run. 30/546/7 in four games, despite every defense keying their entire gameplan on stopping him. Really, though, it's like arguing Rice vs. Moss. Moss had the more dominant physical gifts, Rice was the true student of the craft, but you couldn't go wrong with either.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Calvin is the best WR in football

No, not yet. Once he learns to do some of the little things Fitz does he will always be 2nd best. I think Calvin has the drive to be the best and might someday be better than Fitz, but he's not there yet.

Little things kill...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Early results laughably spilled over from the zona tnf thread.Mega all day. CMon people. Gimme the faster, taller, more athletic guy Who also routinely beats double and triple teams.

You can have the taller, faster, more athletic guy who routinely beats double and triple teams. I'll take the more polished guy who runs/disguises his routes better, has better hands, and has better focus/consistency. And who pairs that with the most ridiculous work ethic/workout regimen in the league today. And who still routinely beats double and triple teams. Calvin's dominance is physical and therefore more obvious, but at the end of the day, a WR's only job is to get open and catch the football, and Mr. Fitzgerald is a cyborg designed solely to complete those two tasks.

Shockingly talent and raw ability >> technical abilities and better focus/consistent...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Through their first 5 seasons:

Larry Fitzgerald - 5,975 46 TDs

Calvin Johnson - 5,872 49 TDs

Larry played 4 of those seasons with Kurt Warner. Calvin played his first 4 seasons with atrocious QBs. As soon as Calvin had a competent QB under center he put up a season better than anything Larry Fitzgerald has ever accomplished, and I love Larry Fitzgerald.



If both players were the same age and had identical contracts I have no doubt that every GM in the NFL would choose Calvin Johnson over Larry Fitzgerald.

Said the same last night. Hands down all 32 take Calvin.

I don't know about this argument, If were drafting for a franchise then a huge part is age which Calvin has a considerable advantage.They are Apples and Oranges in the way they play, the difference being Fitz can go deep and has great deep ball skills, not sure how well Calvin Translates to the Possession WR game.

I love Calvin, I always have and he is far and away the best dynasty FF WR, but he sometimes has concentration drops and he does not run the same amount of routes, with the same success as Fitz.

One of the most dominant runs I've ever seen a WR have is that Cardinals playoff run. He completely took over every, single game.

By this point it's clear, voted for Fitzgerald

Crystal?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Jesus Hipple, where do you stand here? You're agreeing with both sides.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Jesus Hipple, where do you stand here? You're agreeing with both sides.

:whoosh:

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Through their first 5 seasons:

Larry Fitzgerald - 5,975 46 TDs

Calvin Johnson - 5,872 49 TDs

Larry played 4 of those seasons with Kurt Warner. Calvin played his first 4 seasons with atrocious QBs. As soon as Calvin had a competent QB under center he put up a season better than anything Larry Fitzgerald has ever accomplished, and I love Larry Fitzgerald.



If both players were the same age and had identical contracts I have no doubt that every GM in the NFL would choose Calvin Johnson over Larry Fitzgerald.

Said the same last night. Hands down all 32 take Calvin.

I don't know about this argument, If were drafting for a franchise then a huge part is age which Calvin has a considerable advantage.They are Apples and Oranges in the way they play, the difference being Fitz can go deep and has great deep ball skills, not sure how well Calvin Translates to the Possession WR game.

I love Calvin, I always have and he is far and away the best dynasty FF WR, but he sometimes has concentration drops and he does not run the same amount of routes, with the same success as Fitz.

One of the most dominant runs I've ever seen a WR have is that Cardinals playoff run. He completely took over every, single game.

By this point it's clear, voted for Fitzgerald

Crystal?

LOL, what about what I said have I changed my mind on?

 

[P-Dizzle]

Does anyone have a GIF of that one handed catch?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Does anyone have a GIF of that one handed catch?

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[P-Dizzle]

Does anyone have a GIF of that one handed catch?

http://prosportsextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/CalvinJohnson_original.gifhttp://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/633/722/AnotherANgle_original.gif?1354477427

Cheers. Monster grab, think its clear he's No. 1. And those suggesting Fitz seem to be bringing up what he has done, rather than what he's doing currently to be suggested as the top WR in football.I also think there's a degree of people suggesting Larry because Calvin is the obvious pick, and they think it makes them sound more knowledgeable.

 

[lod01]

Does anyone have a GIF of that one handed catch?

Larry can't do that. The passes are not catchable anymore.

 

[lod01]

Through their first 5 seasons:

Larry Fitzgerald - 5,975 46 TDs

Calvin Johnson - 5,872 49 TDs

Larry played 4 of those seasons with Kurt Warner. Calvin played his first 4 seasons with atrocious QBs. As soon as Calvin had a competent QB under center he put up a season better than anything Larry Fitzgerald has ever accomplished, and I love Larry Fitzgerald.



If both players were the same age and had identical contracts I have no doubt that every GM in the NFL would choose Calvin Johnson over Larry Fitzgerald.

Said the same last night. Hands down all 32 take Calvin.

I don't know about this argument, If were drafting for a franchise then a huge part is age which Calvin has a considerable advantage.They are Apples and Oranges in the way they play, the difference being Fitz can go deep and has great deep ball skills, not sure how well Calvin Translates to the Possession WR game.

I love Calvin, I always have and he is far and away the best dynasty FF WR, but he sometimes has concentration drops and he does not run the same amount of routes, with the same success as Fitz.

One of the most dominant runs I've ever seen a WR have is that Cardinals playoff run. He completely took over every, single game.

By this point it's clear, voted for Fitzgerald

Crystal?

LOL, what about what I said have I changed my mind on?

translation: fine. His first 10 catches or so averaged over 10 yards/catch.